Welcome back to,
Evolution Impossible.
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I am Dr. Sven  string.
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We've been
considering so much evidence
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that shows that
evolution really is impossible.
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But is there and
alternative to evolution,
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or are we left in scientific
limbo with nowhere else to turn?
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Joining me for this
very important question
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is Harley Southwell.
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~ Thank you for being with us.
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Tim Turner, good to
have you back in the studio.
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And Morgan Vincent,
nice to have you as well.
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And last, but definitely not
least, we have Dr. John Ashton.
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And Dr. John Ashton
has been doing research
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in this area
for almost 50 years.
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And we're really fortunate
that he has written all of this
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research up in his
book, Evolution Impossible.
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In his own personal experience,
Dr. Ashton has discovered
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that while
evolution is impossible,
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there is a God who
exists and who is able
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to intervene in our lives.
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Now that's a
really exciting thought.
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So Let's explore the evidence.
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Now, John, you mentioned
a few times that evolution
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cannot explain consciousness.
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Can you explain
what you mean by that?
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Well, as I've alluded to another
time, we talk about our brain.
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Our brain has mass,
and it stores information
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and has certain processes in it.
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But our thoughts or
our will are non-material.
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We can't weigh our thoughts.
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We can put our brain
on a balance, weigh it,
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we can squash then it into...
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Well, somebody else
could. We'd be dead.
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...squash it into
a... ~ Not so fun.
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...squash it into a measuring
cylinder and measure its volume.
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But our thoughts we can't.
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And this is fascinating.
This is who we really are.
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You know, inside this frame is a
little boy, John, sort of thing.
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And that's my
thoughts, that's who I am.
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Who I am is really non-material.
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This body is just a transducer
that converts my thoughts
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into physical actions so I can
operate in this physical world.
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But who I really
am is non-material.
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And it fascinate me
that the God who created us
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also describes
Himself as non-material;
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as spiritual.
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And so, it's through our mind
that we communicate with God.
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And hence, you know, prayer.
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And also, God
can impress our minds
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and so forth as well
and communicate with people.
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And the Bible is a
history of people who
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God communicated with.
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And this is, you know,
this has fascinated me.
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And there's so
much evidence for this.
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So turning to our panel
here, you know, if the God of
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the Bible exists; He's a God of
love, and He's powerful as well,
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what would He be
capable and interested to do?
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Well one thing I heard once that
was really, really beautiful
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was that God exists,
and He looks like Jesus.
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You know, and that is a
personal friendly Person
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who wants to invest
in us and to see us grow.
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And that's something I think
I've discovered in my own life.
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You know, I journeyed through
deciding whether I was going to
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believe evolution or creation.
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In the end, when I saw
the evidence pointing towards
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creation, I accepted
that God was real and that
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the story in the Bible is true,
and this God believes in me
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and loves me, and
wanted the best in me.
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And then that faith
that's reciprocated back to God
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helped transform my
life and has grown me into,
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and is continuing to grow
me into the person I am today.
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And that's just, I find
that to be a beautiful thing;
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that there is a God who's
capable of taking a person
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and transforming
them, and making them useful
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and beautiful and
believing in them.
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~ What about you, Tim?
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What would God be capable
of or interested in doing?
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Yeah, what I think about just
from a scientific perspective,
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the universe had a beginning.
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Everyone agrees
that that's the case.
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But I guess,
according to Richard Dawkins
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it came from nothing.
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And then he goes on to define
what "nothing" actually is.
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Which is kind of funny.
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But according to the
Bible, God was the one
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who created everything.
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And so, if you can
create an entire universe,
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not to mention setting
up all the laws of physics,
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creating information in DNA, the
magnitude of His intelligence
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must be completely off the
scale, and His power as well.
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I guess, why would He do that?
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I think the Bible has some
really cool answers about that.
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And it's for His pleasure.
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He just, He
loves being relational.
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And like Harley said, it's
something that He's craving,
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that
interrelational, I guess, space.
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And so I think, yeah, if He's
like that, then that's awesome.
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~ What about you, Morgan?
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Yeah, similar to what
Harley alluded to, that God
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orchestrates times and
events, seasons, situations.
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And not just one in
our life, but multiple,
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and many at
different times in our lives
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to get our attention.
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I like to think of God
as someone who pursues.
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~ Like the hound of heaven.
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Yeah, He's the one
who takes the first step.
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One of my favorite words at the
moment is the word, prevenient;
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which comes from two words that
combine to basically mean that
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God is the one who
takes that first step.
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And when I look at my
own life and hear stories of
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other people's
lives, we can see how God
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takes that
first step in terms of
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relationship
with us, with humans.
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And so, it's a fascinating
thing to think of God
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being the one and
wanting to be the one
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who enters into that
relationship with us.
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So much so that even
though someone can reject Him,
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can slight Him, put Him
away for decade after decade,
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after decade, God
will still pursue them.
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God will still be the one
to want to dwell with them.
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And we see that
absolutely personified
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in the life of Christ.
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As both Tim and
Harley mentioned as well.
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Thank you very much,
Morgan. It's really amazing.
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And Morgan mentioned the
concept of times and seasons.
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And that brought me
back to your fascination with
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the philosophy of time, which
we have talked about before.
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But in relation to God,
the whole concept of time is
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very fascinating, particularly
with regards to prophecy.
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And that's one of the
key evidences that you raised
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to bring to our
attention in the book.
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Can you give us one of the
best examples of a prophecy
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which allows us to see
what God can do in our lives?
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Wow, well there are lots
of prophecies in the Bible.
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Of course, you know,
there are many prophecies.
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I think perhaps one of
the most outstanding ones
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relates to the
dream of Nebuchadnezzar.
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Because Nebuchadnezzar
is, you know, a very famous
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historical figure.
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~ King of Babylon.
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Well yes, founded
the Babylonian empire,
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he built the hanging
gardens of Babylon for his wife,
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which was one of the seven
wonders of the ancient world
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according to Herodotus.
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And so, it's very interesting
that the Bible recounts
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Daniel, one of the Hebrew
captives after Nebuchadnezzar
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conquered Jerusalem, that
Nebuchadnezzar had a dream.
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And in this dream he
dreamt about an image.
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Well, he had a dream and
he couldn't remember what
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the dream was, but he knew
it was a very significant dream.
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And he asked his wise men, you
know, what did the dream mean.
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And they said, "Well,
tell us what you dreamt
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and we'll tell
you what it means."
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But Nebuchadnezzar
was a pretty clever guy,
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and he said, "Well if I
tell you what the dream was,
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you can make up anything.
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Well, I can't remember
it anyway, so you know,
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you tell me what I dreamt
and then I'll know you can
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tell me what the meaning is."
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And of course, Daniel was
one of the wise men at the time,
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and he prayed and God revealed
to him what the dream was.
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And he told Nebuchadnezzar,
and Nebuchadnezzar said,
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"Wow, that's it. I
remember that's what I dreamt.
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What does it mean?"
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And essentially, it was a
vision of his empire and the
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succeeding empires of the world.
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That his empire would be
followed by the Persian empire,
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that would be
followed by the Greek empire,
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that would be
followed by the Roman empire.
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And then that
essentially would disintegrate
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into strong and weak kingdoms.
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Now essentially
that's exactly what happened.
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You know, after Nebuchadnezzar
died, his grandson,
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I think it was
Nabonidus who was the king,
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and while his son
Belshazzar was in Babylon,
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Cyrus' general
Gobryas came and marched in
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and took Babylon in 539 BC.
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And then we had the Persian
empire, of course, followed in.
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Cyrus and Darius, and so forth.
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And then we had
Alexander the great came in.
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~ Marched over. - Yes.
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And defeated Darius in 331 BC.
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And then we go on, and
of course then the Greek
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empire was divided
up, and then subsequently
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conquered by the Roman empire.
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Which then degenerated
into the states of Europe.
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Some strong and some weak.
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Some went on and some broke up.
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The fascinating thing
is, of course, that a rock
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hit the bottom of
the statue, and filled
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and became the whole world.
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And of course, that represented
that one day God will destroy
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the world and recreate it again.
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So that part of the
prophecy hasn't happened yet,
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but all the other bits did.
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~ So what time period
are we looking at here
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from when Nebuchadnezzar
had the dream, all the way to
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the end of that
fulfillment of that prophecy?
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What sort of time
frame are we looking at?
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Well of course, Nebuchadnezzar
was about 600 BC when he
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first conquered
Jerusalem, first took Jerusalem.
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And of course, well we
know Europe is still there now.
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So it comes right
through to the second coming.
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So it spans the last
part of the history of time.
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But some of the details
and things that fascinated me,
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for example,
Belshazzar was not recognized
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in any of the secular historical
records until recently,
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and yet it was
written in the Bible.
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So the critics said, "Oh yeah,
it's another made up story."
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But then they discovered
all these cuneiform tablets
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that recognized that
Belshazzar was the co-regent
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with his father and was actually
the king of Babylon at the time
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while his father
was actually fighting a
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diversionary action with Cyrus.
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~ So archaeological evidence is
supporting the biblical account.
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Yes, and also the Bible
talks about how Belshazzar was,
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you know, all like in
a drunken revelry feast
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that they used to have.
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The Bible talks about that.
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And it's interesting, Xenophon,
a later Greek historian,
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records that, yes, that was
actually the case of what was
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happening when Gobryas
took in, and that Belshazzar
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was slain next to his throne.
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So we had later, you
know, all this confirmation
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and corroboration of
the historical accuracy.
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And there's so many of the other
prophecies that are like that.
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And what about you guys?
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Have any of the
prophecies in the Bible really
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impressed or inspired you?
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Or have you ever seen
the effect of this particular
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prophecy in your own
life or work or ministry?
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~ Yeah, I guess for me some
of the most powerful prophecies,
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I guess, are in
relation to Jesus.
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Like, you have the ones
in Isaiah are hundreds of
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years before
Jesus was even there.
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You have the ones in Psalms,
it's like over three hundred
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different
prophecies that Jesus fulfills
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every single one of them.
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And I think just
the surety of that.
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Like, you talk about the
probability of how the universe
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could come into existence
by itself, or life forming.
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And just the probability of one
Man fulfilling all three hundred
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prophecies is just astounding.
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And so, you kind of...
Like, being able to see the...
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God has provided us
enough information to say,
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okay, well I'm pretty sure
that was who He said He was.
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One thing kind of in
the similar area, but
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not necessarily prophecy, but
something we can look back at
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is the evidence for the
resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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It's something that,
you know, is a historical
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verifiable fact that
Jesus Christ lived and died.
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And there's argument over
whether He resurrected or not,
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but the evidence that is seeming
to mount, and mount, and mount
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is very clear that there is
evidence that He did resurrect.
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You know, the different...
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You know, He
appeared to so many people.
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There's the records
of it being written down
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by the apostles so
soon after His death.
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As well as there
definitely was an empty tomb,
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because that's what
Jesus' enemies acknowledged,
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that the tomb was empty.
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And they made a story saying
that all these Roman soldiers
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were asleep, which is a
very impossible story for these
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Roman soldiers whose life
depended on them staying awake.
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And they're highly trained
elite soldiers to fall asleep.
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But they recognize
that the tomb was empty,
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so they had a make up
this story to explain it.
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And how would they
have known it was the
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disciples if they were asleep?
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Exactly.
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So there's just all
this evidence for the
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resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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Which, I mean, if you were
to found a religion, you know...
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Like, there's been a number
of men over history who have
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founded religions, you know.
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But Jesus founded His
religion based on the fact that
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He was going to
die and resurrect.
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That is such an unlikely,
astronomically unlikely
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thing to happen in
just a materialistic world.
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But Jesus did found
His religion upon that,
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and everyone around Him
proclaimed, "He's risen."
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And everyone was like,
well there's proof for it.
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And so, Christianity
just exploded so rapidly.
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And Jesus actually
predicted His own resurrection
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while He was still
doing His public ministry.
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So what you're pointing out
is that there's supernatural
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miracles and
supernatural prophecy as well.
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And John, I guess the
question I have in mind is this:
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I mean, you know, I go
on the Bureau of Meteorology
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and I look up the weather
report, and I can get about
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seven days in
advance, and sometimes
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they get it pretty wrong.
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Which is a bit sad.
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But you know, predicting
two and a half thousand years
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in advance,
hundreds of years, seems like
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a bit of a long stretch.
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So how could God
actually predict these things
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so far in advance?
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What power does God have?
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What's the nature of God
for Him to be able to do this?
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Okay, well that's a fairly deep,
you know, question to get into.
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And I guess a number of
people have argued with,
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well, is there
free will, and so forth?
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You know, some of my
own thoughts on this is that
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God does help influence
us and helps us make choices.
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He doesn't force us to
make choices, but He can change
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circumstances so that, you
know, we make choices over time.
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And He knows the future.
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Also, there's been
different models portrayed that,
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we often hear God can see
the beginning and the end.
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And they've been in some
of the philosophical journals.
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For example, let's say,
well, if you imagine you had a
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plain sheet of paper,
and we're living in this
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two dimensional space,
and we're like little ants
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crawling around on this space.
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But you've got a pin going
through your piece of paper.
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And this has the future on this
side and the past on this side.
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And God is out here,
and He sees the whole lot.
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But we only see
this little bit here.
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But He can see the whole lot.
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So I mean, these are
just, you know, primitive models
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to sort of try and explain
that God is outside time.
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~ Transcends time.
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You know, the whole
concept of time and choice.
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You know, there's evidence that
humans have known the future,
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certainly through
premonitions and dreams,
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and this sort of thing.
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~ And so what you're
saying is, not only in the Bible
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do we have, you
know, prophecies and dreams
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like Nebuchadnezzar had,
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but also more
recently there's been dreams.
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Could you maybe
share with us some stories
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of people who have had dreams?
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Well, it's a real life scenario.
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I mean, earlier on we
talked Professor Werner Gitt.
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Now his story is
really interesting.
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He grew up in east
Germany, which is very close
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to the Russian
border, and was born in 1937,
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so it was before the war.
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When the war broke out
he was only a little boy.
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And of course,
towards the end of the war,
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as the Russian soldiers
came in, the people had to flee.
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And his mother was
captured by the Russians,
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taken to the
Ukraine where she died.
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His older brother was taken
away and never heard of again.
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But Werner and a couple
of aunties were actually,
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he was quite sick at the
time, they tried to flee, but
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they were
actually captured and held,
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and then later expelled to
a town on the island of Wyk,
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I think, in the North Sea.
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After the war they were
put there to be dealt with
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until everything was sorted out.
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Now meanwhile, his
dad had been captured
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and was in an allied
prisoner of war camp.
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And he had no idea
where his family was;
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where his children
were, where his family were.
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Had no idea what happened
to his wife, or anything.
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But one night he had a dream.
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And in that
dream, he dreamt that he
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visited a particular uncle.
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And he asked this uncle...
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His uncle was saying to him,
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"Oh, you should
come and visit us."
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This is the dad
that dreamt this dream
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in the prisoner of war camp.
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And in his dream, he asked
his uncle, "Where do you live?"
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His uncle told him an address.
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And so he woke up straight away
and he wrote the address down.
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And he decided to
write to that address.
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And at that address was an uncle
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that he hadn't had
contact with for years.
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He'd moved there, and everything
was topsy-turvy after the war,
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but he knew where his son was.
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And he put him in contact.
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And his son was the sole,
Werner was the sole survivor
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of his dad's family.
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But that's just
one of many dreams.
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I mean, I can
remember having a really
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powerful premonition myself.
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I was a tutor for the first
year med students in chemistry
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at the University of Tasmania.
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And I used to give
some Bible studies.
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And one night traveling
home, I was eager to get home,
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it was a rainy
night, coming into Hobart
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as I'm driving down
the hill towards the city,
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I was strongly
impressed to slow down.
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Slow down.
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And I thought to
myself, "I'm only doing 60
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kilometers an hour."
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But it was,
slow down, slow down.
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So I slowed down
just a little bit.
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But I saw this green
light ahead, and I thought,
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I want to get
through the green light.
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And I was trying to
balance, I'm slowing down
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but I want to
get that green light.
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And it was on a
blind intersection corner
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where there was an
office block on the corner.
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And just as I
came into that light,
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a blue Datsun sports car
came through at high speed.
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And I hit him. I
was in a 56 Chevy.
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And I hit him and
I spun him around.
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But a fraction of a
second faster, he would have
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slammed into the
side of me and killed me.
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If I had properly slowed
down as God was prompting me,
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my Chevy wouldn't have hit
him and I wouldn't have had
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this big dang
mudguard on the front.
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But praise the
Lord, I wasn't killed.
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Listen to God.
That's the lesson.
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And I did a study
among our research group
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when I wrote on this
topic of evidence that people
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had seen the future.
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Because the future
is random or chaotic
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from a human perspective.
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And so, how can
anyone know the future?
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And there are many
cases where people,
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particularly Christians,
have had powerful premonitions
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that have protected them.
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And even among the
staff, we had about 100 staff,
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and I think out of 100
staff there were 5 people
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who had had
powerful premonitions
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that warned them of danger.
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~ I have a
question in regards to this.
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I was reading recently
about a magician by the
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name of James Randi who created
a competition, basically.
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He was an atheist and
he created a competition
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for anyone who claimed to
be a diviner, or a psychic,
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or you know, a telekinetic,
or have some other kind of,
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you know, clairvoyance,
supernatural power, or whatnot.
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He created a challenge for
them that if they could prove
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under scientific
verifiable testable conditions
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that they had a supernatural
gift then he would give them
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a certain amount of money.
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It eventually grew to be around
about, I believe, $100,000.
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It might have been a million,
if I remember correctly.
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But over a period of 50 years
and thousands of applicants
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that came through, not
a single one them was able
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to demonstrate a
supernatural power,
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a supernatural gift.
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And it kind of like seems that,
like, when we try and prove
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supernatural things in science,
we can't verify it and test it.
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And also, I guess,
coming back to evolution,
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you know, we've
remarked on how it's impossible
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to be tested and
verified in a laboratory
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setting, and so forth.
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So if we have these two,
you know, different things
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that can neither be
verified, where should we go?
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Well I think we have
the testimony in Christian
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literature of so many
Christians who have testified
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to God's leading in their life,
powerful changes in their life.
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Werner Gitt's story
is just one of, you know,
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thousands, hundreds of
thousands probably, of examples.
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And people know and
experience in themselves,
00:21:52.74\00:21:55.08
and I do too, similar to
you, that God has changed them.
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When I accepted
God, my whole attitude
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to life began to change,
and God began to change me.
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And you realize, that's a
real experience that happens.
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And I guess, God
has warned these people.
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So there are so many
stories of miracles of people
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surviving under
different conditions.
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You know, we think of that
soldier in the second world war
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that rescued all those people.
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~ Desmond Doss. - Desmond Doss.
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They made the film
about him, Hacksaw Ridge.
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You know, he made
all those trips up there.
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People are being shot all
around him, but he wasn't shot.
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Now people say, "Well hang on,
00:22:31.98\00:22:33.31
there are good
people that die too."
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But you know, it seems
that God, at certain times,
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when God has
miraculously protected people.
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You know, I think of
the story of Harriet Tubman
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that led all
those slaves to freedom.
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You know, an uneducated woman.
00:22:48.83\00:22:50.43
But she said she
heard the voice from God,
00:22:50.63\00:22:52.70
God would tell her to go
this way or back that way.
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And she made all those journeys
and she was never caught,
00:22:55.60\00:22:58.44
and took all
those people to freedom.
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So it seems that
when there's a purpose,
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that there are times when
God intervenes and blesses
00:23:03.35\00:23:06.65
His people, He protects them.
00:23:07.18\00:23:08.92
I mean, my wife and I have
had, you know, answer to pray
00:23:09.32\00:23:12.25
just this past week while
on holiday, sort of thing.
00:23:12.29\00:23:15.06
I've had so many
personal answers to prayer.
00:23:15.09\00:23:18.26
I'm writing that in
a book at the moment,
00:23:18.29\00:23:20.30
I'm up to about 60,000
words, of experiences myself.
00:23:20.33\00:23:24.07
Of course, there's many
other Christians that have
00:23:24.10\00:23:25.83
written these books,
particularly out in the
00:23:25.87\00:23:28.44
mission field where there have
been no resources, you know.
00:23:28.47\00:23:30.84
And I think of,
say, Mary Slessor.
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Here was this young
Scottish woman who went to the
00:23:33.01\00:23:36.01
Congo in the 1800's, walked
barefoot into the jungles,
00:23:36.04\00:23:39.85
and converted the cannibals.
00:23:39.88\00:23:41.82
You know, so we can see
the power of God is working
00:23:42.48\00:23:45.95
where it's
working the power of good.
00:23:45.99\00:23:47.66
And there are so
many stories like that
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where I think they
all add up that there is
00:23:49.29\00:23:51.76
an intervening God that we
can come to and we can trust,
00:23:51.79\00:23:54.83
while we don't
necessarily have specifically
00:23:54.86\00:23:58.37
our answers to prayer
necessary at the time.
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What I've learned is
that we can trust that God
00:24:01.20\00:24:04.11
had our good in the long term.
00:24:04.14\00:24:06.57
And I can see that now of
prayers that I have prayed
00:24:06.84\00:24:10.15
over ten years ago in
particular personal matters,
00:24:10.18\00:24:13.88
and now I can see why God
didn't answer the prayers.
00:24:14.28\00:24:17.12
And I remember praying
and saying, "God, I can see
00:24:17.15\00:24:20.39
You're not answering my
prayer, You're blocking my path.
00:24:20.42\00:24:23.26
Each time I make a
move, You're blocking it."
00:24:23.29\00:24:25.56
And now ten years
later I can see why,
00:24:25.76\00:24:29.60
and all the extra good
that has come out of it
00:24:29.90\00:24:33.00
because I didn't pursue that
particular path at that time.
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But I couldn't
see it at the time.
00:24:37.64\00:24:39.87
I thought that I was right.
I was pursuing the best path.
00:24:39.91\00:24:42.94
And certainly, this whole
concept of the supernatural,
00:24:43.35\00:24:46.35
but also the limits
of science in terms of
00:24:46.38\00:24:49.25
being able to test it.
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Tim, do you have any
questions in that area for John?
00:24:50.65\00:24:54.09
I did, actually, but it probably
comes from my own experience.
00:24:54.12\00:24:56.89
So when I was a little dagger,
I had a, actually still got
00:24:56.93\00:25:01.93
a genetic blood disorder.
00:25:01.96\00:25:03.30
And they had to do an
operation when I was little.
00:25:03.33\00:25:05.97
And my hemoglobin
levels were really low,
00:25:06.00\00:25:09.04
and they are not able to operate
when the levels are so low.
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And so, my dad got his
Bible out and sort of, you know,
00:25:13.44\00:25:17.21
you anoint the kid, get
the elders of the church
00:25:17.25\00:25:18.85
together, and stuff.
00:25:18.88\00:25:20.22
My hemoglobin
levels almost doubled
00:25:20.25\00:25:22.42
overnight, which is
medically unheard of.
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And so they were
able to do the operation.
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And after things like that where
I'm lying in a hospital bed
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and there's pain
all through my abdomen,
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and I look at my mom and
say, "Pray," and she prays.
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The pain
disappears and goes away.
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I'm kind of
wondering, what does science do
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to personal experiences?
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Like, do they...
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I know that in
some areas of science,
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they will validate someone's
experience as this is something
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that's actually, you
know, we can test this.
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This happened and is
repeatable. That sort of thing.
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But what do they do when they
have supernatural experiences
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in the human realm?
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Well, some of those
have been recorded in books,
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and there have been studies,
but they don't have an answer.
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That's the problem.
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Do you think that's
because the supernatural
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is not able to be
put into a test tube?
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~ Well that's
right. We can't force God.
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That's the bottom
line. We have to trust.
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And you know, it's
incredible to reflect
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on how God can
work in our lives.
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He is a God who
really does want to intervene
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and show us that He exists.
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This is the last episode in our
journey, Evolution Impossible.
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However, your
exploration of this fascinating
00:26:36.46\00:26:40.46
topic can continue.
00:26:40.50\00:26:42.03
If you haven't already,
we invite you to get a copy
00:26:42.13\00:26:44.77
of Dr. John Ashton's
book, Evolution Impossible,
00:26:45.10\00:26:48.64
and delve deeper into
the origin of life itself.
00:26:48.67\00:26:52.47
It could change
your life forever.
00:26:52.61\00:26:55.24
But even more importantly,
we would like you to
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continue this
journey with God Himself.
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The last book in the
Bible called, Revelation,
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paints an amazing
picture that God will recreate
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this world to be a new world;
a place where there's no more
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pain, or suffering, or death.
00:27:11.83\00:27:14.20
We want you to be
with us in the new earth.
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And I'd like to invite you to
join with me as I pray with you
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as you consider this
decision for eternity.
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Father in heaven,
we've been on this journey of
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exploring evolution together.
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We have discovered
that all of the evidence
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points to the reality that
You created life and this world
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just like the Bible says.
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Please be with
every person who has been
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watching this program.
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May Your Holy Spirit
speak powerfully to our hearts.
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May we know that You
sent Your only Son, Jesus,
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to die on the cross
for us personally so we can
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accept the free gift to a
restored relationship with You.
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- In Jesus name, amen. - Amen.
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