We continue our
Evolution Impossible journey,
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exploring whether the theory
of evolution is even possible.
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I'm Dr. Sven  string.
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We have Dr. John Ashton with
us who actually wrote a book
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called, Evolution Impossible.
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It's based on
almost 50 years of research
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that he's done in this area.
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Thanks for being
with us again, John.
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Joining us today
is Justin Torossian.
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Good to have you back.
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Harley Southwell
for the first time.
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I hope you enjoy it.
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And of course, Melvin Sandelin.
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Good to have you back as well.
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Last time we explored
the geological evidence
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for a catastrophic global flood.
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But of course, there
are still animals and people
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living on earth today.
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So all life could not have
been destroyed in that event.
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If there were people who
survived, then there may be
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other historical evidence for
a global catastrophe like that.
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So, John, you've been doing
the research for a while now.
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And we just want to know,
where would you go to find
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other historical
evidence for the flood?
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Well, this is one of the most
interesting areas of my research
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when I began looking
for the historical evidence
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for the flood, and particularly
chronological evidence.
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So I was very
interested in trying to find
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ancient chronologies.
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And...
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~ And by chronologies,
you mean dates for this event?
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Well no, yes, historical
accounts that listed dates
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and chronologies of
when events actually happened
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that could be related to
our modern calendar system
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so we could work out the times.
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And supposedly, there
weren't too many that went
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beyond the Assyrian
period that we would have.
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So once you go further
than about 700 or 800 BC,
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everything seems to get a
little bit, you know, vague.
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And particularly Egyptian
history is quite problematic,
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as many people have noted with,
you know, perhaps centuries of
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discrepancies there.
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Okay, so you've got
Egyptian, you've got Assyrian.
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Where else would we go for
this evidence for the flood?
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Oh well, worldwide
there are, of course,
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flood accounts worldwide
in virtually all the cultures.
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And people that study
anthropology and history
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have made notes on these.
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The cultures in South America,
Central America, North America,
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Asia, Africa,
Australia, and Europe all have
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some sort of account where in
the past people were really bad,
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and God decided
to destroy the world.
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And in most of the
cases, probably more than 90%
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of the cases, the world
was destroyed by a flood,
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there were only a few survivors,
and those survivors were in
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some sort of watercraft.
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And so, this is
quite fascinating.
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When you look at
the different accounts,
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the description in the
Bible is one that really
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sort of fits the scientific,
you know, accurate historical
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perspective, in that the
descriptions actually fit
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sort of science in many
ways too, the account there.
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So we've got the flood account
in Genesis, the Hebrew history.
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Yes, that's right.
As recorded by Moses.
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And what would be another
really good flood account?
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One of the best.
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Well, that would
definitely be, the best...
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What are you getting at there?
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In terms of an
account which kind of matches
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what we read about in the Bible.
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What's the closest match?
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Well, if you're
referring to the Gilgamesh epic,
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is that what you're thinking of?
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~ Yes. - Okay.
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Well, that one there is really
more sort of a mythical account.
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And you know, it's
not really written so much
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as a historical account.
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But associated with that, we
do have the Assyrian king list
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that are recorded, say,
on the Weld-Blundell Prism.
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Now that is a more, sort
of, historical type of account
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that has been recorded.
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And that records the
flood as a historical event.
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So that is definitely a more
powerful, you know, scenario.
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~ Dr. Ashton? - Yes, certainly.
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Because in chapter 8 of your
book, you give some of these
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examples like the
ones you give now.
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And also like in China,
in one of the languages,
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the ancient languages, that they
have a symbol for the flood.
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So it's really
everywhere around the world that
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they have some
record of a flood.
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But you also said that some
of them are more mythical based.
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Is it maybe, is it because there
are so many of those stories
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that might seem like myths
that science therefore also
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ignores kind of the
Genesis account of it?
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That it kind of
thinks that everything
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is therefore kind of myth?
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Well, we can't
really necessarily say that,
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but the other accounts are
certainly not very scientific.
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Such as some of the accounts
have the vessel as a cube,
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which we know would not
be very stable in water.
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Other accounts have
that the couple were rescued
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in a basket carried by a giant
fish, and this sort of thing.
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The biblical account,
when we look at the dimensions
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of the ark, and so forth...
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It was interesting, I was
reading an article only a few
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days ago, that in the 1850's
they began designing ships
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to roughly the
specifications of the ark.
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And that went on as part
of the naval architecture
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for quite a long time.
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So the modern ship
design is essentially based
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on the rough
dimensions of the ark.
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It was a very,
very seaworthy design.
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So that's some of
the interesting facts.
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But some of these other
stories, yes, are very crazy.
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They're associated with
some of the people that we
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associate with Greek mythology
like Zeus, and so forth,
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these people.
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And so, they're
definitely mythological.
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Whereas the account in the
Bible lists a particular day
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and a particular month,
it lists the generations,
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it actually names the people.
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And I think one of the
really fascinating things
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that comes out of this
that has blown the minds of
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some of my detractors in this
area is that Noah's grandsons,
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there are cities
named after Noah's grandsons
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and great-grandsons.
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Like, for example,
Egypt, the country Egypt
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is named after
Noah's grandson, Mizraim.
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So, "Egypt," is just the
Greek translation of, "Mizraim,"
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that was one of the sons of
Ham, one of the sons of Noah.
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So that blows
people's minds away,
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that here we have a country
that today is one of the oldest
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civilizations on earth, and it
is named after Noah's grandson.
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And matter of fact, I have
an Encyclopedia Britannica,
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a very old one at home, and
the Atlas, when you open it up
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to Egypt, it's not
called Egypt; it's called Mizr.
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Even though it's in English.
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It's an English
Encyclopedia Britannica.
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~ How do historians and
archaeologists and sociologists,
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or anthropologists,
rather, if it's not for a common
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experience like a global
flood that led to all of these
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flood myths all over the
world, the hundreds of them
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that you mentioned a
few of, how do they explain
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all of these nations and people
groups detached from each other
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having similar, at least
somewhat similar accounts?
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Yes, I'm not sure.
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Generally many of them
actually, say that it reinforces
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the evidence for the Bible.
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And I think, the Bible
as a historical account.
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And we need to understand
to that in secular education
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today there is a lot of
emphasis to try and discredit
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any historical evidence
that supports the Bible.
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But continuously we're being
surprised with particularly
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more archaeological
discoveries that are confirming
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the accuracy of the Bible.
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And of course, when we go
back to Genesis and pre-flood,
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what happened before the
flood, then Genesis is really
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the only reliable
account that we have.
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And one of the reasons I
think we can believe it is
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because the history after
the flood as recorded by Genesis
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is backed up by other
secular history events.
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And this is very
powerful evidence.
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In regard to that,
though, you would think that
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so soon after the flood with
only eight people surviving,
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but then all these
civilizations like Egypt
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and Babylonia, and all
these countries forming,
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how would such a
population grow so quickly after
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such a catastrophic event?
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Yes, so in actual fact we
have a genetic bottleneck there.
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Because we have the, and for
people that aren't familiar with
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the account, we have the
account that Noah and his wife,
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and his three sons and
their wives, went into the ark.
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So they were the
only humans; eight people.
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And it's very interesting
that many of these flood myths
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talk about only
eight people being saved.
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And I think you mentioned
earlier the Chinese one.
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It refers to just
eight people being saved.
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And it's quite interesting that
traditionally Noah was believed
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to have gone to
China and founded China.
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That's one of
the traditions there.
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It's very interesting.
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But genetically speaking, we
have this genetic bottleneck.
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Now this raises a number
of interesting questions.
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But I think it points to
the fact that very early on
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when God created the
genomes in living organisms,
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He created them
with massive diversity.
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So there was
sufficient genetic diversity
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in those generations
that were only ten or so,
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and in some
cases more than that,
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but there were ten patriarchs
prior to the flood, so to speak.
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So we're looking at
only ten generations there.
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So it's still massive
genetic diversity there.
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And just to digress a
little bit, when we talk about
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mitochondrial DNA,
my understanding is that
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we inherit our mitochondrial
DNA from our mothers,
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not from our fathers.
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So when the two
gamete cells come together,
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the male mitochondrial
DNA is actually destroyed.
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So we inherit our
DNA from our mothers.
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And I understand that there
are actually three main classes
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of mitochondrial DNA;
M, N, and R, from memory.
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And of course, there
were three reproducing females
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after the flood.
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Which is very, very interesting.
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~ Three sort of groups. So
that's sort of a medical...
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So all these little
things, all these little factors
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are pointing to the
detailed accuracy of the Bible.
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Now some people would
say that the Bible isn't a
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scientific textbook.
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But it's accurate, it's factual.
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It's not trying to
be a scientific textbook
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or explain things
away in scientific terms.
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It's just recording
what actually happened.
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And this is why it's so
believable and so important
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that people read the
Bible for themselves and learn.
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This is our history.
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This is where we came from.
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And if we go back to how
the generations arose so quickly
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after that time, I can't
remember which one it is,
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whether it's
Japheth, or Shem, or Ham,
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but they record the descendants,
and there were about
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15 or 16 sons that they had.
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So if we say they had roughly
the same number of daughters,
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you can say they
roughly had 30 children.
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So you've got
the three families,
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each having 30 children.
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And so people have
done the calculations,
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that after about 100 years,
I forget the exact figure,
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but you've got something
like a thousand people or more.
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And so, it's only about
a hundred years later that
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some of these chronologies
record that that's when Mizraim,
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for example, went down
to Egypt and started Egypt.
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And so, it
actually is very feasible.
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When you do the math,
it actually works out.
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Yeah, it's quite fascinating.
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So, John, you talk
about Noah as if he is
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or was a historical person.
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And you've mentioned how
countries and maybe cities
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are named after his descendants.
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But do you have any
other historical evidence
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that he really,
really did exist?
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That Noah existed?
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~ That Noah existed
as a historical person.
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Well, there's so many towns that
are named after his progeny.
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And indeed, much of the history
of Europe traces itself back.
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So, you know, we've got
Canaan, we've got Sidon;
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so many of those
towns in that area
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were named after his grandsons.
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Or even the races liken Javan,
that was one of the grandsons.
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Of course, if you
look at Greek mythology,
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they trace their
history back to Japetus,
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which is another word for Javan.
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So it's the same.
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So many of those tribes
of Europe, when we look at
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their own histories,
they actually trace themselves
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back to the descendants of Noah.
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Their names are there.
It's quite fascinating.
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And not only that,
in the Genesis account
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you've got not only
Noah's descendants, but also
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his ancestors as well.
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And it talks about them
living for 800, 900 years,
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and his descendants living for a
certain period of time as well.
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So how would you explain the
concept that there could have
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been humans living for
almost a thousand years?
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Yes, I mean, that's something
that is sometimes raised.
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Now it's very interesting, when
we look at, say, the accounts
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of the Sumerian king lists, that
they lived 10 to 30 thousand
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years; all over the place.
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When we look at
the biblical account,
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the ages of the Patriarchs
are roughly about 900 years,
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or thereabouts,
before they died.
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And then after the
flood, of course they drop away,
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you know, quite quickly.
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Now why does that happen?
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Now it's very interesting,
I came across a paper
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that was published
probably 4 or 5 years ago,
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but I only came across it
recently, where a mathematician
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did an analysis of those ages
that are recorded in the Bible
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after the flood.
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Because very
interestingly those ages decay.
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And they fit what we'd expect
from a genomic decay curve.
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So we know from our
present day research that DNA
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is accumulating mutations.
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And so we expect
for various reasons
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the life expectancy to decline.
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And it's quite interesting,
the data of the ages,
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when you plot the data of the
ages of the people that lived
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after the flood for the
next thousand years or so,
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they're decaying as
per what we would expect.
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And this is quite amazing.
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~ So what would be
the reason for that?
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Well before we get to
that, one of the things is,
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are these ages made up?
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- Are they mythical? - Yes.
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Now what's happened is that they
can do, there are mathematical
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systems that you can
use that will actually
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statistically tell you
whether a number is likely
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to have been made up or not, or
whether it's a natural number.
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And when they apply
these tools to those numbers,
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they come out that they are most
likely to be genuine numbers,
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and not made up.
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And so this is again,
where we are applying science
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to the Bible, we find
the Bible is again true.
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- But this speaks kind of
against the model of evolution
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where over time
everything should improve.
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~ Right? - Yes.
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Where things should
get better and better,
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but we're seeing that
everything gets worse and worse.
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~ That's right, we're
accumulating mutations.
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Not accumulating
mutations that are beneficial,
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that help us to, you
know, metabolize and deal with
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mutations even
better, and hence live longer,
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but we're actually
succumbing to them.
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Yes, so it's fascinating.
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Why the ages declined after
the flood, again, is open to,
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you know, we really don't know.
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If we look at the
data that we have today,
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there seems to be a
cutoff around about 120 years,
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somewhere between
120 and 130 years now.
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People can't seem to
live past that cutoff point.
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And I think it is
related to genomic decay.
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Now why that
happened after the flood,
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we know from the Bible
account that after the flood
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people were told to
change from a, well not told,
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they were told rather than
just have a plant-based diet,
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which was the main diet prior to
the flood, a plant-based diet,
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after the flood
they could eat animals.
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They could eat flesh foods.
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And we know now scientifically
that flesh foods are associated
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with reduced life span.
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There's a lot of data
out now in the literature.
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At the University of Sydney,
the Charles Perkins Center,
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they've been doing
research on this where
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high protein foods, in
particular animal protein
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foods, reduce life span.
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And so, this is data.
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There's also an
Ashtonian hypothesis,
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if I may be bold
to put that forward.
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~ Sounds good.
Looking forward to hearing it.
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Well, one of the
things that is fascinating,
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we have the Bible account there,
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and we have
this decline in ages.
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I was at a conference a
few years ago where they were
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looking at cancer
research and the role of
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deuterium depleted water in
extending the life of people
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suffering both with
cancer and slowing down
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the rate of the
growth of cancer.
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And this is
research that's coming out of
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the Hungarian
Institute of Physics
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and the Semmelweis Medical
University over in Hungary.
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And essentially, at the present
time our background levels of
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heavy water are about
150 parts per million.
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But if we reduce that
level of heavy water in water
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back down to, say you
know, 40 parts per million,
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to a much lower level,
plants grow more slowly.
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There are a lower
rate of mutation to DNA.
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And this is very significant.
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And hence the
application, possibly.
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So my theory was that when
these fountains of the deep
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opened up, that
maybe the underground water
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would have been
richer in deuterium.
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And it spewed all this
heavy water into the exosphere,
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which then just reduced
the longevity of everything.
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~ That science has been
tested in a lab and verified
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that it actually does
have an effect on DNA.
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- So it's actual science.
~ Yes, it is actual science.
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But there's more.
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We know that when we find
ancient waters that have been
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trapped, they are
lower in deuterium.
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And when we look at
the ground waters, though,
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they're much
higher in deuterium.
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And the reason why we know this
is that during the development
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of the atomic bomb,
there was a lot of work done
00:20:01.73\00:20:04.23
to try and find the
richest sources of deuterium
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that could be used to
slow down the neutrons
00:20:07.17\00:20:09.70
during the nuclear experiments.
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So a lot of mapping
was done in hydrology.
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So just little things like this.
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I mean, this may
not be the explanation.
00:20:15.88\00:20:18.25
But what I'm saying is, when
we look at some of these things,
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there are scientific
explanations that fit
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the biblical
account of the global flood,
00:20:24.12\00:20:27.16
and it being recent.
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This is really exciting
stuff, I think, in my view.
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I know, Justin, you've
got an interest in this area,
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the ages of the Patriarchs.
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Do you have any
questions for John?
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Yeah, you know, the Bible says
in Genesis 1, when God created
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the earth, that He separated
the waters under the earth,
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or on the earth
and under the earth
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from the waters above the earth.
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And I've heard it suggested that
if there was a layer of water
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in earth's atmosphere,
or below earth's atmosphere,
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that it could have
filtered out certain UV rays,
00:20:54.22\00:20:56.89
as well as created a
different atmospheric pressure
00:20:56.92\00:20:59.69
on planet earth that
would have extended the life
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of human beings and individuals.
00:21:02.46\00:21:04.63
I know you said that
ultimately we don't know
00:21:04.93\00:21:07.63
conclusively, but do
you know of any studies that
00:21:07.66\00:21:10.37
may have looked into
the effect of different
00:21:10.40\00:21:13.00
atmospheric
pressures on aging or UV rays
00:21:13.03\00:21:16.71
being filtered
out as being helpful?
00:21:16.74\00:21:18.07
Yes, look, these are scenarios
that are commonly circulated
00:21:18.11\00:21:22.34
by Christians trying to
fit the Genesis account in.
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You know, I don't know
whether water, I don't think
00:21:28.65\00:21:31.59
it does absorb
that much in the UV.
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I think UV will still
come through water pretty well.
00:21:33.32\00:21:36.09
But my
understanding is not that.
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I don't believe that there was
a water layer above the earth.
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That's because my belief is,
00:21:43.50\00:21:45.73
that's where the
firmament was created.
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That's where the stars are.
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That water layer has
got to be somewhere out.
00:21:50.11\00:21:52.17
The scientific evidence does
not fit a water layer up there.
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And that was not where the
water from the flood came from.
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I don't think that you can...
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The main water
from the flood came from
00:22:00.82\00:22:02.58
the fountains of the deep.
00:22:02.62\00:22:04.09
Well you know, so you
read about the oxygen pressure
00:22:04.92\00:22:07.69
was different, and
these sort of things.
00:22:07.72\00:22:09.52
Well we know that there was much
greater vegetation in the past.
00:22:09.56\00:22:12.93
And of course, the
green matter produces oxygen,
00:22:12.96\00:22:16.23
and the algae and the plants,
and these sort of things.
00:22:16.26\00:22:18.07
So there would have
been perhaps slightly
00:22:18.10\00:22:19.43
higher levels of oxygen.
00:22:19.47\00:22:20.80
But this needs to be
very tightly controlled.
00:22:20.84\00:22:23.84
If it's too much higher, then
we're going to have different
00:22:23.87\00:22:26.34
rates of reaction, spontaneous
type of combustion reactions
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are going to be more vulnerable.
00:22:31.31\00:22:32.65
Really, the design of
the planet is just right.
00:22:32.98\00:22:35.65
It's the Goldilocks planet.
00:22:35.68\00:22:37.15
But I think this
concept... We can't know.
00:22:37.35\00:22:40.82
But we know that the earth
was formed under the water,
00:22:40.86\00:22:44.09
and there was water above.
00:22:44.13\00:22:45.46
What that water
is, God talks about
00:22:45.49\00:22:47.80
the stars were created in that.
00:22:47.83\00:22:50.30
So in my mind, that
puts it further out.
00:22:50.53\00:22:53.03
But really, we need
to talk about things
00:22:53.23\00:22:55.24
that we can know and measure.
00:22:55.27\00:22:56.60
And we don't really
know that much about that.
00:22:56.64\00:22:58.57
But I think if we
stay away from that,
00:22:58.61\00:23:00.58
we could be out of
science if we don't know.
00:23:00.88\00:23:04.35
And John, one of the biggest
questions that really fascinates
00:23:04.95\00:23:07.95
me is the
chronology of the dating.
00:23:07.98\00:23:10.32
So you mentioned
in previous episodes
00:23:10.35\00:23:11.95
that there have
been extinction events
00:23:11.99\00:23:14.09
which have been
recognized to be floods.
00:23:14.12\00:23:16.62
But of course, the Bible places
00:23:17.16\00:23:18.99
the global
flood fairly recently.
00:23:19.03\00:23:21.00
So is there any historical
evidence which supports
00:23:21.20\00:23:24.40
this idea that the
flood happened only about
00:23:24.43\00:23:27.74
4000 years ago?
00:23:27.77\00:23:29.17
Yes, it's over 4000
years, 4.5 thousand years ago.
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Yes, there's
fascinating chronologies that
00:23:32.14\00:23:34.84
relate, for example, and
I think one of the best ones
00:23:34.94\00:23:37.45
is that of Manetho.
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Now Manetho was
an Egyptian historian
00:23:39.38\00:23:43.55
that lived about
or wrote about 270 BC.
00:23:43.59\00:23:46.52
So during the
Greek era of Egypt.
00:23:46.55\00:23:49.82
And so he wasn't a
Christian, or Hebrew,
00:23:49.99\00:23:52.76
and he was long before high
criticism, this sort of thing.
00:23:52.79\00:23:55.70
And he wrote that
Egypt was founded by Mizraim,
00:23:56.16\00:24:01.34
the son of Ham.
00:24:01.54\00:24:02.87
And that the dispersion
occurred about five years
00:24:03.27\00:24:07.64
after the birth of Peleg;
about a hundred years after Ham.
00:24:07.68\00:24:11.25
So that really fits.
00:24:11.28\00:24:13.28
And so there's a
number of chronologies.
00:24:13.82\00:24:15.95
We know there are
records that Alexander the Great
00:24:16.79\00:24:19.79
was given about 1900
years of astronomical records
00:24:19.82\00:24:24.09
that dated back to
the founding of Babylon.
00:24:25.29\00:24:28.40
And so when we calculate,
those records were given to
00:24:28.63\00:24:31.53
Alexander about 330 BC, go
back 1900, then again you get
00:24:31.57\00:24:35.74
to a date about 130 years
after the flood, or thereabouts.
00:24:35.77\00:24:40.28
We know that Greek history,
their traditional history
00:24:41.38\00:24:45.88
goes back that the first king of
Greece was about, I don't know,
00:24:46.18\00:24:51.75
1500 or 1600 years before
the first Olympian in 1770 BC.
00:24:52.05\00:24:56.69
And again, when we
add these dates up...
00:24:56.99\00:24:59.06
There's the
Bamboo Annals in China,
00:24:59.56\00:25:02.33
which is the oldest
surviving chronology in China.
00:25:02.36\00:25:05.70
Because a lot of their history
was destroyed by one of their
00:25:05.73\00:25:08.00
emperors that lived
about the first century AD,
00:25:08.04\00:25:12.07
the first century
BC, roughly that time.
00:25:12.27\00:25:14.34
He had all their
books and records destroyed,
00:25:14.68\00:25:16.58
so only a few survived.
00:25:16.61\00:25:18.05
And they placed
the founding of China
00:25:18.08\00:25:21.95
at about 1900 BC with Fuxi,
who traditionally was Noah.
00:25:21.98\00:25:26.92
So when you
look at these things,
00:25:27.12\00:25:29.29
and I've plotted them
out, you have that the ones
00:25:29.32\00:25:32.49
closest to Babylon
were founded first,
00:25:32.53\00:25:35.93
and then you have
Egypt, then you have Greece,
00:25:36.03\00:25:39.57
and then you have China.
00:25:39.60\00:25:40.94
And they're all
within the biblical timeline.
00:25:40.97\00:25:43.51
And these are
secular historical records
00:25:44.07\00:25:46.64
outside the Bible and
confirm the Bible timeline.
00:25:46.91\00:25:49.68
And just as we
head towards the close,
00:25:49.78\00:25:51.71
all of us have been
really curious about this wobble
00:25:51.75\00:25:55.15
in the earth's axis
that you wrote about.
00:25:55.18\00:25:57.19
- Dr. Dodwell was
mentioned. - George Dodwell.
00:25:57.75\00:26:00.59
So can you just talk about it.
What happened with this wobble?
00:26:00.62\00:26:03.63
- We're really curious. - Okay.
00:26:03.66\00:26:04.99
Now George Dodwell was a
South Australian astronomer,
00:26:05.13\00:26:09.56
and he had noted that some of
the earlier British astronomers
00:26:09.66\00:26:12.70
had reported a
variation in the earth's wobble,
00:26:12.73\00:26:16.74
as predicted by
Newcomb's formula.
00:26:16.77\00:26:19.27
Newcomb was an
American astronomer
00:26:19.31\00:26:22.94
that first worked it out.
00:26:22.98\00:26:24.31
And he said, from that data
there appeared to be evidence
00:26:24.55\00:26:27.35
of a massive disruption of
the earth that caused a wobble
00:26:27.38\00:26:30.99
in the earth
roughly about 4000 BC.
00:26:31.02\00:26:34.79
~ Wow, that's amazing.
00:26:34.82\00:26:36.32
But how accurate that data is,
00:26:36.36\00:26:37.83
I wouldn't be real
strong on that data.
00:26:37.86\00:26:40.30
But again, it's
something worth looking at.
00:26:41.00\00:26:42.96
Yeah, all these things
point to the historical
00:26:43.00\00:26:45.53
accuracy of the Bible.
00:26:45.57\00:26:46.90
It's amazing.
00:26:47.27\00:26:48.60
You know, this has been an
amazing journey into history.
00:26:48.64\00:26:51.64
Did you know that there's
so much historical evidence
00:26:52.07\00:26:55.34
for a global flood.
00:26:55.38\00:26:57.05
And if there was a
catastrophic global flood
00:26:57.41\00:27:00.62
that destroyed most of the
life on earth fairly recently,
00:27:00.65\00:27:04.05
where does that leave evolution?
00:27:04.25\00:27:06.05
If you're intrigued by this
concept, I'd really encourage
00:27:06.45\00:27:09.72
you to grab the
Bible off your bookshelf
00:27:09.76\00:27:12.49
or download a
Bible app on your phone
00:27:12.53\00:27:15.40
and start reading through
the first chapters in Genesis.
00:27:15.60\00:27:19.73
You'll be inspired and amazed.
00:27:19.77\00:27:21.80
Also, go to your favorite
online bookstore and get
00:27:21.90\00:27:25.77
Dr. John Ashton's
book, Evolution Impossible.
00:27:25.81\00:27:28.44
You've got all of
the historical stories
00:27:28.48\00:27:30.71
and accounts right
there laid out for you.
00:27:30.91\00:27:34.02
It's really, really fascinating.
00:27:34.05\00:27:35.95
Next time we're going
to be looking at something
00:27:36.18\00:27:38.59
also very
interesting: sedimentary layers,
00:27:38.62\00:27:41.72
and how fast they're eroding.
00:27:41.92\00:27:43.73
Could it be that our
planet is much younger than what
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scientists usually tell us?
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Join us as we continue this
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Evolution
Impossible journey together.
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