Hello again, my
name is Jay Rosario
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and welcome to Engage.
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In this program we're
addressing relevant issues
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facing young
Christians all over the world
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and joining me today
is my good friend Dan,
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who is our co-host.
Dan how're you doing?
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Good, Jay, how're
you doing? Doing well.
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So Dan what are we gonna be
talking about in this segment?
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Well, today we're talking about
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the relevancy of the Bible.
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There is a tendency in churches
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to kind of down play
the truths of scripture
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for either entertainment
or evangelism methods.
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When In reality the
Bible has all the answers,
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it has the
power to change lives.
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So we're gonna
look at that today
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and we have a special
guest joining us. Who is that?
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Well this guest,
Dan is actually a very,
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very significant person.
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He's the one
that was influential
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in bringing me to God
and basically sparking
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that first encounter that
I had with the Lord Jesus.
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So his name is Michael Johnson.
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We want to invite
Michael Johnson to come on now.
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Michael Johnson is
not to be confused with-
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With the famous track
runner Michael Johnson.
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This is another
Michael Johnson. Yeah.
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So Michael you're, or Mike,
if I call you that Michael.
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Mike, you are the
one, you're the guilty one.
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I am guilty,
sorry. You are guilty
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because it is your
fault that I am here.
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That's right. In another words,
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if it wasn't for you and
for your wife or your family,
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there will be
somebody else hosting the show.
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And this is actually a
very, very special privilege
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and honor that
I have to--to have
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you in the part of
as a guest of our show.
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And Michael
those-- for those of you--
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for those that
don't know who you are,
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tell us a little bit
about yourself, where you live,
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what you do etcetera,
how big is your family.
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Well I have--my wife and
I, we have five children,
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four girls, one boy.
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My wife is a registered nurse,
I am a dental lab technician,
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I've own my business
for 27, almost 28 years
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which is where we ended
up meeting there for a while.
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Yes. But- And where do you live?
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Well, we live in
Spokane, Washington, right now.
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Our kids go to
Upper Columbia Academy.
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They are teenagers and
above and we moved down
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from Anchorage,
Alaska, where we met you.
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Awesome, so that's really part
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of the, the,
the, where the story
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takes place is
Anchorage, Alaska.
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We're gonna be talking a
little bit about the Bible.
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You know, many times in
our Christian experience
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as young people, we really
don't have low expectations
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of the word of God. Sometimes
we, we go to the Bible,
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we don't really
expect much about it.
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We doubt whether it has
power to change our lives
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and we doubt whether
it has the possibility
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to transforming
other people's lives.
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So well you guys, you have
a very unique relationship,
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you know, I haven't
known you for that long but,
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but I have known Jay for a while
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and he's had the opportunity
to preach all over the world,
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but you're kind of the person
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that brought
him into the message
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and so really you know,
everyone that Jay preaches
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to is under the direct
influence of your ministry.
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So I don't know if you
have thought about that,
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but, you know, how did you
find this guy, this character,
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you know and actually
get him who had no interest
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in the Bible to, you know,
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become a preacher and a pastor.
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Well, it's too bad
my wife wasn't here,
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she's the one who ended up
meeting them but it started,
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if I can give it a beginning,
I went to Lord in prayer
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and asked Him, I
felt like a hypocrite
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because I've been
an elder in the church
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for a quite a few years
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but had never given
a Bible study before.
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Wow. So, it started on my knees,
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in the quietness
of the early morning
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I knelt down and told the Lord,
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I would like to
give a Bible study.
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And so, I prayed for a week,
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I told my wife what I was doing.
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I told her, we need to
learn to be more bold for Christ
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and just put
ourselves out there.
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And it was hard for me
because I work in my home,
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in that way I could be
with my kids all the time.
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And so, you know,
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I didn't know how
it was going to happen.
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But through praying that about
a week later is where my wife
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ended up meeting Emil
at the furniture store.
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We had--we had
bought some furniture
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because it all
started with the bed,
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that was some, we
had a back problem
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so and so forth
and through the process
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of trying to find a new bed.
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One was taken back.
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My wife woke up
early one morning,
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about 1 o'clock in the morning,
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was asking Lord and--
she felt guilty for spending
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so much money on
a bed and thought,
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may be she ought to take it
back and so the next morning
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she woke up and she says,
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"How did it go
for the first night?"
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And I said man this is awesome
and she said I don't think
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this is what we got to do.
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So she called the store.
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They got the bed taken
back and so in the process,
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she went to another
place and found the same bed
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for half the price and so
she was getting all excited.
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So in the
process of saving money
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she decided its
time to buy a couch too.
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And so, and we had to go
pick up the furniture, she did.
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And so that day
they were gonna go out
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and get me something
while they were in town
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you know, Sub-Sub
sandwich or whatever and my wife
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was getting tired and
decide she didn't want to do it.
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My daughter Collie said,
no we got to get dad said,
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he wanted that. She is,
we'll just go to McDonald.
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And she said no, dad
wants a Subway sandwich and so-
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Yeah, that's more like.
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And so she knew that by
going over there to get it,
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then she might as
well pick up the furniture.
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And when she went to do
that, that is where she met Emil
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at there, because he
was the one who was putting
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it in the back of our vehicle.
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So you wanted a Subway sandwich.
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Yeah. And the Holy
Spirit have been convicting
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you to give a Bible
study, convicting your wife
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that she need to go, get
rid of this bed. That's right.
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And then in that process
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you met somebody
who, who was searching
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for the scriptures, right?
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Yeah, basically what
happen, my elder brother Emil,
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I'll tell the Emil side
of the story, was working
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at a furniture store
and he was in an interesting
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situation at that time.
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He was dating a Christian girl,
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they have been
attending evangelical church,
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he was been very involved,
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he was been very into
a lot of the activities,
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he was reading his
Bible and my grandmother
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is a Seventh-day
Adventist Christian.
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And we never really
grew up with our grandmother,
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but we do recall visiting
her vacations or what not,
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she would drag us
over to the church.
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And that we knew two
things about my grandmother.
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Number one that she
kept Saturday and number two,
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she ate really weird food.
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Those are the two really
main things that we remember,
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so my brother, when he
started getting involved
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in Bible study, he kind
of had this little thing
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in the back of his
mind of grandmother,
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so he calls grandma, says,
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"Hay grandma, I
bring the Bible."
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She almost had a
heart attack with joy.
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She said, "Wow,
finally one of my grandchildren
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is in the word."
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So she decides to
send him a literature
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and so he starts kind
of in this whole process
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of investigating
truth of what have you.
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And he tells his
girlfriend at that time
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about the situation
and we had the opportunity,
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well, they had the opportunity
to talk and then somehow
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her older brother got involved
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who was an elder
of a local church
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to give Emil Bible
studies, my elder brother
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and in the process, I
don't know how he did that,
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he dragged me,
Jeffrey, my other brother
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and I think his room mates,
which is Dennis and Howard,
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which later on we'll
talk more about in details.
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But the point is
that Emil got very,
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very confused with the Bible.
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He knew that
something was missing.
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He knew that there were answers
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that weren't
being 100 percent clear.
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So he prayed at the
end of that Bible study
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and we went to back to his home,
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we got to house around
three in the morning, 2:30-3:00
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in the morning and I went to
sleep, Jeffrey went to sleep,
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everybody went
straight to sleep.
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My brother Emil knelt
in his bed and he prayed,
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"Lord, I am
confused, I am interested
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in understanding truth,
please lead me to somebody
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that is able to
lead me to the truth."
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The next morning he goes
to work at the furniture store
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and that's where
we'll pick up the story
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and that's where they met,
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that's where my brother Emil
met Michael's wife Sherilyn.
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Now you guys are
getting, your arm
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so you said that
your arm was twisted,
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you had to go this Bible study,
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but here you are, an
elder in your church,
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you know, considerably
older than him and his brothers
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you know, how did you feel
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when you had to
give this Bible study
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when, you know, we're such
a media saturated generation
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did you feel like you had,
you know, pop-in some videos,
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play some music
or what does you do?
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No, you know, it's interesting
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because my wife made a comment,
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you know, when it got
down to have the Bible studies,
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the most important
thing to us was this,
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the Bible meant so much
to us, because it reveals
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the character of God.
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And to me it
just stands on its own
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and so that's
the approach I took.
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And my wife, you know, I
heard her talking to her mother
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when we heard you
guys were gonna coming over
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and we were all excited because
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when they came home
from getting that sandwich
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and having the
furniture and everything,
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my daughter come down
stairs and she was so excited.
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I am just sitting there working.
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She got so
excited, she was coming down
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there and she's like, "I
got to tell you something,
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I got to tell you something."
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I said what is it? She
says, "I can't tell you
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because mom will get mad
at me, she wants to tell you."
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So she comes down and
the next thing I know,
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she said you got seven
people coming for Bible studies.
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Wow. And, and I am
sitting here now you know,
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be careful of what
you asked for it, right.
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And so now the thing
is what I am gonna do?
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Well, I had learned
to in a very early part
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of the relationship
depend upon the Lord,
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but my amount of
knowledge, my relationship
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with Him was in
that growing process
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and so all I knew
is what I didn't know,
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I had to give it to
Him, He was responsible.
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And so when it came
down to giving Bible studies,
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there was only one thing
that I knew and that was find a,
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find some pamphlets
that I was gonna fall through
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and be able to give then
something to take back home,
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because it seems logical to me
that if they had any question,
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they can go back
over the material
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and they can
approach it that way.
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And a fascinating
thing is that the showdown
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or the encounter,
whatever we want to call
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it between my brother
Emil and your wife Sherilyn,
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really prayer was a kind
of foundation of all of that.
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My brother was in
a complex situation
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who's seeking the Lords will.
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He was praying
around three in the morning
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and that very
night that you mentioned
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that your wife was praying,
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it was around
three in the morning.
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So I also
heard, your grandmother
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was praying at
the same time. Right.
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That's where I understood.
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So you had a, you had a
several individuals praying
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for a very similar
cause and within hours
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because it was two
or three in the morning,
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that next morning,
somehow God orchestrated
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the events of
your wife Sherilyn,
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orchestrated the
events of my brother Emil
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and they met in
the furniture store,
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they exchanged words.
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I wish we can get to the details
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but time doesn't allow us.
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Well, and get this, it
was all about bed, right.
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The thing is we
ended up with, we ended up
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keeping
basically the same old bed
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and yet never had
back problems after that.
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So obviously an
angle was somehow involved-
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It was all about meeting-
In the springs of those beds,
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he was causing
challenges just so that Sherilyn
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could meet my brother Emil.
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The interesting this is that
me, my brothers were thought,
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we were all in different levels,
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of course I was in my
teen, I think I was 15,
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Jeffery was 17
and Emil was about 19.
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And Emil was heavily
involved in the, this church.
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He was kind of
thinking about may be marriage,
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of course he was dating
this nice Christian girl.
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Jeffery was in
this phase in his life
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where he want to
become a millionaire
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without going to
college and he realize
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that really wasn't a successful.
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And I was somehow
into like martial arts.
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My dream was to be like the next
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Bruce Lee, it's really crazy.
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So we were all in different,
all in different worlds
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and some how the
Lord was able to,
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in our own different
levels of experience,
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He brought us together.
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And what I love is
when we had the opportunity
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to eventually go to your home
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which of course you
invited us to church
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first which we went
and that's where we met you
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at the Hillside
O'Malley SDA church in Anchorage
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Yeah. And we went to your home,
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I thought it was really
weird and I only now realize
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it when I look in
hindsight that you lived on,
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what, what, what's the name
of the street that you lived on?
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It was Resurrection Drive.
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Resurrection Drive.
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you know, what
makes that, it was funny
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because the
Resurrection Drive came off
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from main road and had a
U, there were two entrances.
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There was two
entrances. And whenever
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I give people the direction,
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I said, always take
the first resurrection.
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Not the second one.
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Yeah, that's right. So
that was just the joke.
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But I don't know,
when we got to your home,
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it was the Resurrection Drive,
which of course like I said,
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it was not until
now that we understands
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what the resurrection
is all about that we say,
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"wow, that was special".
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We pull into the
driveway, it's me, my bothers,
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I mean the car is
packed and everybody
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gets out of the car except for
me and my elder brother Emil.
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He was on the driver seat
and I am in the middle here
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about to exit the car.
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And he puts his
arm over the shoulder
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of the car and he
turns about to look
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at me and he says,
Jay, and I said, yes.
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He says, I need you to do me
a huge favor and I said what?
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He says, I need
you to be very careful
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that you don't
say any curse word.
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Because I, even though I was
the youngest out of the group,
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I don't know why I had
this, this inability to restrain
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my tongue from
saying foul words.
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So he said, listen
this is a Christian home
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that we're gonna be going into.
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These people love God,
these people love Jesus,
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don't embarrass
me, is what he said.
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And I got so
terrified, I am like, oh no,
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I can't say a
curse word, what if I do,
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what if I slip that I
am gonna embarrass Emil,
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I am gonna be
embarrassed, so literally,
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I don't know if
you remember Mike,
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but the first time
I went to your home,
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actually I think it was about
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the first seven or eight
visits, I didn't say a word.
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I know, I think
hardly anybody did.
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Yeah. Well, in
fact it's interesting
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because as we, you
know they, they came over
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to the house, it
turns out they basically
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for the next year
and half, two years,
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we had them every weekend.
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I already had five
kids, now I had six teenagers
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and above to add to that.
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And of course my
wife loves to cook,
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so that wasn't the issue.
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And but what's
interesting is I don't remember
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you guys ever
hardly saying a word
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for the longest time
and I thought it was so odd.
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They'd come in, we
had our Bible studies
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and the only person
that it seem like to allowed
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to ask questions at that
particular time was Emil.
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I thought you had some
kind of code going on there.
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Well we, I think may
be Emil had told everybody
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else the same
secret and of course
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you just don't embarrass me.
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He came across as
the boss, so you know.
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Whenever you ask me, so
do you want orange juice,
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I never said yes or no, I
just kind of shook my head
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and said-I was
afraid to say yes.
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And you always,
you guys always sat
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at the same spot of the
table, it never changed,
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it was like a pecking
order of some sort there.
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Yeah, like a sign seating.
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I just thought it
was awesome, there was,
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there was some
respect there for some reason
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that I didn't
understand, but to me
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it was just
about them being there.
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Yeah, so let me just kind
of distill this a little bit,
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we, you said that
prayer was a big part
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of you know,
reaching out to others
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and specially these guys,
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who you know
kung-fu martial artists-
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Well, that was me, my brothers
were millionaires in the making.
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That was Jeffery. You know, this
group of people who probably
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doesn't have anything in
common with you, you know,
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so you prayed and suddenly
you have not just five kids,
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you have, you know,
what six more added to that.
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Yeah, that
wasn't- and by the way
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that wasn't just on the--
weekends, they would come over
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three to four
nights during the week
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and I believe that
we ended up studying
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or talking about the word of God
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for at least two to
four hours each time.
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At least. Now see
for me and my business
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and I look back on
this with amazement
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because I was
already working major hours.
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That's why I
always headed to my home
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is because I was
working 18-20 hour days,
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so when they came over, they
took those two to four hours.
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So what about 10 or 11
o'clock when they go home,
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I went back to work.
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Now somehow the Lord gave
me the strength to continue,
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I don't now if you
ever knew that- Oh yes.
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And I never said anything
because it didn't matter,
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the most important, I
was on such a high about
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what God was doing and
giving me the opportunity
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that He actually
heard me, you know praying
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and seeing something you like,
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Ellen White says you know
prayer gives God permission,
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I gave him
permission to do something
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that he was aching to do.
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And here we get is,
we get these six people
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that want to have Bible studies,
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that blew me away and
my wife made it very clear,
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she says, you know what?
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I want to make sure
that these kids get treated
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like the conference of
our president gets treated.
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With the utmost respect,
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utmost respect and so
that is the way we approached
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that whole thing because
they were that important.
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And that's why
we keep coming back
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because they keep
treating us like royalty.
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And the food is
not half a bad either-
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How fervently your intensity
while you're praying for that?
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Oh man, you know, everyday,
00:16:20.33\00:16:23.89
when I got up
and had my worship.
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It was always for, I
believe it was a desire
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that Lord put in
my heart, to desire
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something more than what I had.
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Because I am not a pew sitter,
I've never been a pew sitter.
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If I am not active,
I feel like I am not,
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I am just not doing
what I was called to do.
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And at that point in my
life, I was getting so excited
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about his whole thing
that when it came about,
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I was just blown away
that God actually listen to me.
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I mean I knew he did,
I saw things happening,
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but to see it happen, He
actually heard me personally
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and so that, with
that the excitement
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just kept driving forward
and in course the reaction
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and the things that
happened during that time
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were just evidence that
He's working in their life too.
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So Jay, you mention
that you kept coming back
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because they
treated you so well,
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there's some sort of
drug in the orange juice
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that they'll give to you. Yeah.
00:17:15.73\00:17:16.80
That kept you
coming back for more.
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I think it was the
vegetarian manicotti.
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There you go, that will be it.
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That is
Sherilyn's famous dish. Yeah.
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No, honestly it's a--
combination of several things,
00:17:23.20\00:17:25.06
like I said you know,
this was kind of a little bit
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more of the nicer
part of Anchorage I think,
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we kind of lived in the,
not so nice part of Anchorage.
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So I was little intimated,
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probably because of
what my brother told me
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before entering into your home.
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And just because it was
just such a proper home,
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it was a godly
home, a Christian home,
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very foreign to my upbringing.
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What I loved
about the Johnson home
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thou is that it was
very, they're very genuine,
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it was very natural, it was
very-there was a lot of love,
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if of course it was biblical,
of course what I loved about,
00:17:51.93\00:17:54.27
what I loved about the
way Michael was teaching
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the Bible number one is
that every thing, every question
00:17:55.85\00:17:58.52
that we had, he says, well
let's see what the Bible says.
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Let's see what the Bible says.
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He never shared his own
opinion and with the passion
00:18:02.21\00:18:04.63
that you shared it, it
was just as contagious.
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I am like wow. Here's an
individual who is confident
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of what he believes in
and he's passionate about it.
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And I said, kind of
already know to myself,
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I said, I wanna be
like this some time.
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And number three
was the fellowship,
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I think and the food actually,
the food and the fellowship,
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the combination of both.
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Before we, before we go
on to food and fellowship,
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I just want to
kind of ask a little bit
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about the Bible studies,
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you know this is not some thing
00:18:27.85\00:18:29.57
that's got great
entertainment value,
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you know, you read
some of the stories
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and they could be movies,
00:18:33.42\00:18:35.42
you know,
they're pretty graphic,
00:18:35.43\00:18:36.75
but I mean this is some thing
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that you had never read before.
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No. So what did the Bible,
00:18:39.61\00:18:41.55
what do you think
of the Bible, you know.
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Well previously,
I thought the Bible
00:18:43.74\00:18:44.94
was kind of like
just Shakespeare,
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stuff that you read, it's
very rosy and poetic language
00:18:46.81\00:18:49.28
that has literally no
applications to reality.
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And I remember the
very first Bible study
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that you shared
with us, Michael.
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Do you remember what
the first Bible study was?
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I don't remember.
He doesn't remember,
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it was on the
second coming of Christ.
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In fact, I wanna read text.
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Oh, it was a good
choice, weren't they?
00:19:00.50\00:19:01.60
Yeah, it was a good choice.
00:19:01.61\00:19:03.44
John Chapter 14,
in this Bible study
00:19:03.45\00:19:05.82
that he gave to us.
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This was the verse
I think that really
00:19:06.88\00:19:09.34
just brought us together
and I said, at the conclusion
00:19:09.35\00:19:13.10
of your Bible study,
of course I wasn't ready
00:19:13.11\00:19:14.62
to be baptized into
the church, of course.
00:19:14.63\00:19:16.98
But I committed myself,
I said, there is something
00:19:16.99\00:19:19.17
in this book and there
is something in this family
00:19:19.18\00:19:23.03
that I need to,
I need to discover.
00:19:23.04\00:19:25.02
What is that they
have, what is that this book
00:19:25.03\00:19:27.33
has that I don't
have, because it was obvious
00:19:27.34\00:19:29.44
that I was missing something.
John 14 versus 1 to 3 says,
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"Let not your heart be troubled;
00:19:31.70\00:19:32.93
you believe in
God, believe also in Me.
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In My Father's
house are many mansions;
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if it were not so,
I would have told you.
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I go to prepare a place for you.
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And if I go and
prepare a place for you,x
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I will come again and
receive you to Myself;
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that where I am,
there you may be also."
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And I always
thought to myself, wow,
00:19:45.78\00:19:47.05
God wants to dwell
with me for eternity.
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I thought well, that's
so awesome and that's really
00:19:51.20\00:19:52.96
the first kind of taste
that I had of the Bible.
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So this is the first
time that you thought
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the Bible spoke to you? Yes.
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Now this is, this
is very interesting
00:20:00.15\00:20:01.92
and this is something I think,
00:20:01.93\00:20:03.06
you know, our viewer
need to know and understand
00:20:03.07\00:20:05.54
is that, a lot of
times we think that miracles
00:20:05.55\00:20:08.42
are what people need
to see to have faith.
00:20:08.43\00:20:10.74
And we want to see miracles,
because we want to believe,
00:20:10.75\00:20:13.01
but the Bible says that
by, faith comes by hearing
00:20:13.02\00:20:17.03
and hearing by word of
God. So when we read the Bible,
00:20:17.04\00:20:19.42
the truths of this word, of
this book, we develop faith.
00:20:19.43\00:20:23.41
And you're saying that
God wants to dwell with me,
00:20:23.42\00:20:27.29
and so you didn't
get, you didn't get
00:20:27.30\00:20:28.51
a lot of entertainment
value, but you got the Bible
00:20:28.52\00:20:31.73
and it spoke to you.
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You know I didn't
get entertainment value,
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but I had a lot of fun.
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It was a lot of fun going
through these Bibles studies.
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I look forward to
going, I was in school,
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I was in may be
math class, algebra,
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whatever it was.
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And I was just thinking man,
when is the bell gonna ring,
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so I can meet with
the rest of the guys,
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so we can drive over
to Resurrection Drive.
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So meet with the
Johnsons and it literally
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just became part of our
life, just going to their home.
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And like I said it
wasn't only the Bible studies,
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but it was the fellowship. Well,
tell us about the fellowship?
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Well, this is the interesting
thing is that first of all
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you know, Michael,
he's obviously Caucasian,
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he's a white man and me,
my brothers and even Dennis,
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Howard and Jessica
are of Latino background.
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So obviously, you
know, statistically speaking
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it wasn't supposed to work out.
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This experiment wasn't
supposed to be successful.
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Were you racist at all?
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I wasn't racist, but I
kind of you know well dressed,
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you know Caucasian
people, I just didn't know how
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to relate with
them, and my brothers
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may be even had a harder time
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than I did, but I just
think it was so amazing
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that in spite
of our differences,
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our cultural differences,
our sociological differences,
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somehow with the word of God,
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these barriers
were completely removed.
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And I have to mention something
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about Michael and
his basketball playing.
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You see there's a common belief
that white man can't jump.
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Well, Michael actually
has disproved this theory,
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because I remember
when we challenged you
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to play
basketball for the first time
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in front of your drive. Yeah.
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Michael was wearing this really
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funny basketball
outfit, I cannot get into
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that I don't
want to embarrass him,
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but he was playing
and he literally beat
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all of us and I thought to
my self, how is this possible?
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So the fact that you, you know,
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you are willing to
spend time with us really,
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really he was a
spiritual father to us.
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He invested his time, his
energy, you risk you know,
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your business just to
nurture the relationship
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that God established between us
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and not only was it
a spiritual chemistry
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that we had, but it
was actually a social,
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emotional
connection that we had.
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And I view
Michael today as a father
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and actually I just
lost my father recently
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so Michael is a
very special individual
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and Sherilyn of course is like
another, another mom of mine.
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So I think those dynamics
of having solid biblical truth
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and what I loves of
all, like was a, he answered
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everything with the
Bible and he spoke the truth
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and love but he
spoke it passionately
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and it came from
your heart and on top
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of that it was
when the Bible studies
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were over its almost as if
the Bible studies continued
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but now it was through
your life, through your actions
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and it was like, it was
like there is no difference
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between this Bible study
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and spending time
with Michael and family.
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I honestly believe that
I am a spoiled individual
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because the lord
chose the best family,
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the lord shoes the
best family for me,
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my brothers and my
bother's roommate so.
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And so as you are
spending time with these guys
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is not just the
Bible studies and more,
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this is kind of little more than
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we have prayed for probably.
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Oh yeah, yeah its
fully because my wife
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and we go to play
basketball and stuff like that,
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my wife, I come back and
she says, you know, she says,
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you are not a teenager,
do you, you are old enough
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to be their father. She said,
00:23:33.87\00:23:35.33
"you got to, you got
to settle down" and I-
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And you started
out with back pain.
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Oh, yes, yes. Then
and, and what's crazy
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is its just they were
like my kids but saw my self
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as a kid and yeah I was older
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but I have never
seen myself as older.
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You know I am creeping up
on 49 years old next month
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and I still play
with high school kids out
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at where my kids
play and keeping up
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with them playing full
court, couple of hours,
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twice a week and its one
of those things that you know,
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when it came to
studying the word of god,
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I don't even
know how to explain it
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but there was a
youth that I felt then
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and it was because of
something that we shared,
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I wasn't paying attention
to, attention to it then,
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they were fun to be around.
00:24:24.04\00:24:25.85
What a group of energetic
people and so it just energies
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me more and more.
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I loved to have them
come over, I didn't care
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that they came
over two to four hours.
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The word of god is
what I thoroughly loved
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and I trusted in and to
see what was going on there,
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may be I couldn't
answer all the questions
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but that doesn't mean
that it isn't happening
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and you're not
experiencing it in your life.
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I've learned that, a lot
of things I like to be able
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to explain but that
doesn't mean it doesn't happen
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and so as I look at the product
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of what standing here today.
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It was what he took an
he put into reality everyday
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of his life because the
same thing could have happened
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that had they left the
house and never studied it,
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know nothing,
where were they be,
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it's a
continuation of what they felt
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and that's the
true, the true test
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I think of your trusting God.
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And seeing it from
their point of view,
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you know, I wasn't even
paying attention to that.
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I just knew what
I loved and the fact
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that somebody
wanted to sit and listen.
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So you are just
being who you were.
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You were out
there playing basketball
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because you love
to play basketball
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and you could
find some common ground
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there but what's interesting
00:25:34.07\00:25:35.83
to me is that you
didn't just spend an hour
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giving a Bible
study once a week.
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You actually cared
about these individuals,
00:25:40.70\00:25:42.73
you took them in as
part of your family,
00:25:42.74\00:25:44.95
you know you played
with them, you loved them,
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you fed them, you
gave them orange juice-
00:25:46.19\00:25:49.76
Without any mixture-
Vegetarian manicotti.
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Without any drugs in it. Right.
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And so, what
would you tell somebody
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who wants to get involved
in giving the Bible study,
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but he's not really sure
how they can relate, you know.
00:25:58.66\00:26:00.86
Well, if somebody
wanted to give Bible studies,
00:26:00.87\00:26:03.35
the way I
approached is pray about it.
00:26:03.36\00:26:05.64
That there are
people that want help,
00:26:05.65\00:26:09.68
they're looking
for answers and God
00:26:09.69\00:26:12.39
has an incredible way of
bringing people together,
00:26:12.40\00:26:14.70
but prayer literally gives
him permission and the results,
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they will happen.
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He's just waiting for
someone who has that desire.
00:26:20.14\00:26:22.35
Okay, so I can summaries this,
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you know, we tend to
put entertainment up there,
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but you're saying the--
Bible, intense Bible study,
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fervent prayer and--
fellowship, the three things
00:26:31.36\00:26:34.74
that led Jay Rosario
00:26:34.75\00:26:35.98
here to be a converted
Adventist preacher. Yeah.
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Mike, I cannot
tell you how happy
00:26:39.15\00:26:41.85
we are that you
are able to come.
00:26:41.86\00:26:43.13
My pleasure. Blessed
us with your presence
00:26:43.14\00:26:45.35
and may be those
who have been watching
00:26:45.36\00:26:47.03
this program are wondering
wow, we want to hear more.
00:26:47.04\00:26:49.19
Well, our next
segment we're gonna
00:26:49.20\00:26:51.03
have more of Michael Johnson
and more--little bit more
00:26:51.04\00:26:53.72
of how you can get
involved with Bible study
00:26:53.73\00:26:55.86
as a personal
devotional experience
00:26:55.87\00:26:58.04
and how you can
actually give Bible studies
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to other individuals.
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May be you are a young
person who has underestimated
00:27:01.28\00:27:04.08
the power of the word.
00:27:04.09\00:27:05.31
May be you come to
the Bible, you wonder
00:27:05.32\00:27:06.76
what can this old book do to
me, a modern day young person.
00:27:06.77\00:27:11.00
Well hopefully this
program today has encouraged
00:27:11.01\00:27:13.88
you that the word of
God has the potential
00:27:13.89\00:27:15.70
to change people
one hindered percent.
00:27:15.71\00:27:18.48
I stand here as
evidence that God
00:27:18.49\00:27:20.49
can change the heart of young
people, and it's not just me,
00:27:20.50\00:27:23.23
it's me, my brothers and three
of my brother's room mates.
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We were finally baptized into
00:27:26.03\00:27:27.47
the Seventh-day
Adventist church and all of us,
00:27:27.48\00:27:29.54
all six of us are now in
full time ministry. Amen.
00:27:29.55\00:27:31.84
Nothing that we did,
it's all the work of God.
00:27:31.85\00:27:34.09
And may be you're a young
person and saying to yourself,
00:27:34.10\00:27:36.29
how can I get an
experience like this.
00:27:36.30\00:27:38.47
My suggestion is to go
to the word of God and say,
00:27:38.48\00:27:40.88
Lord I want you to
be able to do exactly
00:27:40.89\00:27:43.63
what you did in the
creation where You spoke
00:27:43.64\00:27:45.43
something out of nothing.
00:27:45.44\00:27:47.01
And I want you to
speak something out
00:27:47.02\00:27:48.36
of the nothingness of my life.
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So we want to
encourage you to continue,
00:27:49.95\00:27:51.67
tune into this program
because our next segment
00:27:51.68\00:27:53.68
is more exciting
and is more practical.
00:27:53.69\00:27:55.71
God bless you and thank you
00:27:55.72\00:27:56.99
for joining us, till next time.
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