Hello, my name is Jay
Rosario and welcome to Engage.
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I'll be your host.
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And today, we're gonna look at
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exciting subject matter
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that we're gonna be
discussing together,
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in fact in the subsequent,
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the subjects that
we're gonna be tackling,
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we're gonna look at
many, many different broad
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issues that are
facing young adults
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all over this globe.
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And joining us is
my good friend, Dan.
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Dan, how's it going?
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Good, Jay. How are you doing?
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Doing all right.
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So, Dan, tell us a
little bit about yourself.
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Hello, my name
is Daniel McGrath.
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I'm a pastor in Upper
Peninsula of Michigan.
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And I just moved
there, I love it,
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and I'm glad to be here today.
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And like you said, we have some
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amazing topics coming up,
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but today we're gonna be looking
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at the subject of formalism.
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There are many
people today who struggle
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with the vibrant
Christian experience,
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who want that,
but don't have it.
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And are just going
through the motions,
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and so we wanna tackle
the issue from the Bible.
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See what the Bible
has to say about that,
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is it really
something that is acceptable
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in our Christian
experience or if it's there,
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what do we have to do about it.
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And Dan, I'm so
happy that you addressed
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that we're gonna look
at what the Bible says.
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See, in this program that's
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what we're gonna dedicate
the subject matter to be.
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We're gonna look at the
Bible and we're gonna see
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that the Bible has
answers to any subject
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that you have
in your experience,
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anything that
you're struggling with,
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the Bible has guidance.
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In fact, we're gonna begin
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by going through
the Bible itself.
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We're gonna go to the
New Testament to a book,
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a very small book that
we don't hear much about,
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but that is focused primarily
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on addressing
issues facing young adults
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and young people in many,
many different walks of life.
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We're gonna take a look at
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Second Timothy Chapter 3.
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And as you're turning
there, as Dan's turning there,
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I'm already
there now, I beat you.
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And those that are
viewing are turning there.
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We're gonna see that Timothy
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is a particular
letter written by Paul,
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in fact Second
Timothy was the last letter
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that the Apostle
Paul wrote to Timothy,
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and he was writing to Timothy,
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who was a young
person who was surrounded
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by not the most
spiritually edifying influences.
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And yet, Timothy
addresses a lots of the current
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modern-day challenges
that young people have.
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So, we're gonna be
focusing on Timothy
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and the text we're gonna look is
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Second Timothy Chapter 3
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and we're gonna be
looking at Verse 5.
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Second Timothy 3:5,
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the Apostle Paul is
addressing a condition
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that the world as in at
that time and in Verse 5,
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he says, "Having
a form of godliness,
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but denying its power,
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and from such people turn away!"
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So, it's
interesting because, here Dan,
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in Second Timothy we
see the form of godliness,
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we see Paul as describing
the form of godliness,
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but it's possible to
have the form of godliness
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and yet lack the
power of godliness.
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And this is gonna
be the subject matter
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for our show today.
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Is it possible that in
our Christian experience
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we can have the
form of godliness,
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we can look like we're godly,
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we can act like we're godly,
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but somehow be void
of a powerful experience
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with God and I think
this is something that,
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sadly, is
prevalence in our experience.
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So, Dan, what is this all about?
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Well, I think it's, it
will be important for us
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to define what this means.
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And we skipped right to verse 5,
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but if we start
looking at verse 1.
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Paul kind of tells
him what's going on,
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what's happening
in the last days.
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And I really what he says.
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He says, "But know
this, that in the last days
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perilous times will come."
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So, these are times
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that you don't
just sit back and watch.
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Perilous is like dangerous.
Perilous is dangerous.
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Perilous times.
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And he's speaking
about the church, okay.
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This isn't just the world.
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We know that it's
dangerous out there.
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But this is the church.
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"For men will be
lovers of themselves,
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lovers of money,
boasters, proud, blasphemers,
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disobedient to
parents, unthankful,
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unholy, unloving, unforgiving,
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slanderers without self-control,
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brutal, despisers of
good, traitors, headstrong,
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haughty, lovers of pleasure
rather than lovers of God,"
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and it says, "having
a form of godliness."
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Well. Okay.
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So, when we look at this,
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this isn't something we
can look into the world.
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We need to be looking
in the church for this.
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And I think as
young people, you know,
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we're kind of
aware of, you know,
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the hypocrisy,
the bad in the church,
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I mean, nobody really
has to point it out to us.
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So, Dan, you're saying that
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all of these
negative characteristics
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that Paul has just addressed
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is talking about
religious people?
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Yeah, I think we
can look at these--
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well, the first one is
lovers of themselves, you know.
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If we look in the
church there are people who,
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you know, are more selfish,
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more concerned about themselves
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than about other
people in the church.
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I mean, we can go
through each of this.
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Lovers of money,
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there are people in
the church more concerned
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about their careers,
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how to get financial stability,
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climb up the corporate ladder
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than they are about
the good in the church.
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It's interesting because
it isn't necessarily wrong
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to be interested in your
career and being successful,
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but yet it's
almost like an obsession,
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it becomes more of a priority
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than the importance things
in your experience with God.
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Sure, and I think what Paul is,
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you know, bringing out is that
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there are these
things that are good,
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there are these
things that aren't good,
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but this is not Godly, you know,
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it is secular
and it's true that,
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you know,
getting money isn't bad.
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But to have these
things be the top priorities
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in our life that
is when godliness
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gets replaced by
the form of ungodliness.
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So then it's possible
that these characteristics
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were exemplified in
people and individuals
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that had a form of godliness,
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but maybe we can even say that
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the reason why they had these
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negative attributes is
because they like the power.
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So, maybe Paul's
kind of describing
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characteristics that
dwelt in real people,
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who they kind of
went with the motions,
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they played church.
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Well, for whatever
reasons they lacked this
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powerful experience with God.
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And what else can you say about
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the forms of godliness?
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What are the forms that we see
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may be in this list, you know?
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Well, even if we go
on after lovers of money,
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they're boasters, proud,
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there are people
in the church who,
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I mean, it doesn't
take much to really,
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you know, kind of
look around the room
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and figure out
that there are people
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with these characteristics
that surround us everyday.
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Unthankful, there
are people in the church
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who you could do
something good for them
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and they don't care.
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I mean, that's, I
mean, if we could be honest.
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So ungrateful.
They're ungrateful.
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They don't
appreciate you, you know,
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there are people
who you can get on their
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bad side and it's impossible
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to get off of it, you know.
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And
unfortunately this is the case,
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it's not the case everywhere.
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But this is a reality
and many people see this and,
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you know, they don't want
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anything to do with you at all.
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So, you know,
you've mentioned hypocrisy.
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And I know
that's a big, big thing
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that a lot of
younger adults struggle with,
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and not even younger
adults, but people in general.
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But usually people
say, you know, "hypocrisy,
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I don't wanna go to
this church because there's,
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a church is full of hypocrites,
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or maybe even--"
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There's no hypocrisy
in your church, right.
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Oh! My church is perfect.
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That's debatable.
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I have the best
churches in the world.
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You have the best church.
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Well, I don't know,
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but I'd have to visit
your church to figure it out.
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So, you know,
hypocrisy is something that,
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you know, that's
prevalent in all our churches.
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Obviously, some
to greater degrees
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than others, but, you know,
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what is it about hypocrisy,
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whether it's in
other individuals
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as young people say,
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"Oh! There's too
many hypocrites there."
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Or, sometimes we even
feel that oh I'm a hypocrite,
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I'm being a hypocrite, you know,
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this kind of a
complexion that we have
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or we just keep
saying, "Oh! I'm hypocrite.
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I'm a hypocrite."
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When we made mistakes, you know.
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What is it about hypocrisy
that is may be so dangerous
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and why do you think
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it's so
prevalent in our churches?
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Yeah, well, let me,
just tell you a quick story.
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There's somebody
that is very close to me
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that grew up in
an Adventist home,
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but her parents, you know,
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didn't really live
the Adventist lifestyle,
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but they would preach it.
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And so, you know,
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she would see
her parents at home
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and see her parents at
church and realize that
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there's something
not right about this.
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And through, you
know, seeing that,
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plus people saying offensive
things to her at church,
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you know, I don't
have to get into all that,
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but through those
experiences, you know,
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she doesn't
wanna join the church
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because she says,
it's for hypocrites.
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And why would I
wanna be, you know,
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associated with a
group of people like that.
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So, what you're saying is that
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people who have a
form of godliness,
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but it's just a form,
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it doesn't really take
part of every facet of life.
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It's only a form.
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It's essentially
being a hypocrite
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because it's living, you know,
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maybe one way in the church,
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but maybe living a
completely different way
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outside of the church.
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And don't you think that
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young people
today can pick that up?
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Yeah, definitely. I mean--
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You know, it
doesn't take much, right.
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Right. Yeah.
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I mean, I think we're
still young right now.
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I'm still young.
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Oh! You're still
young. I'm still young.
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May be not me. You're
getting pretty old there.
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But, you know,
they just think the word
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hypocrisy in the
original language and Jesus
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even addressed
hypocrisy in the New Testament.
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The word
'hypocrisy' and when He said,
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"Hypocrites," it's
actually the word 'actor.'
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It's almost as if
somebody who is just acting out
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being a Christian,
but not necessarily
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being apart of
their actual life.
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It's kind of like a
script, it's like something that
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you do may be to please
those around you, may be to
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just kind of give
the good impression that
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you're a certain
type of way but in reality
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you're
completely different. Yeah.
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Can you tell us may be
just from your experience what
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hypocrisy looks
like in a church?
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Well, I think hypocrisy
has many forms and I think,
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sadly, we see many
forms in the church.
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You know, hypocrisy I think
and particularly, you know,
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as a pastor I see, I
hear a lot of concerns
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may be even a lot of
complaints some times
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particularly with young people.
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And one of the
things that I hear a lot
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with young people
they're saying, you know,
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"well, you know, when I come
to church I'm not motivated.
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I just -- I don't
really tune into the message.
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I don't tune into anything."
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And when you get
down to the bottom of it,
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a lot of times
because there's kind of like
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an inconsistency in
their home, in the parents.
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They feel like the
parents may be, they're saying
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they're happy
and they're smiling
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and they're being
nice in the church.
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But somehow when they
leave the church and they
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get home, somewhere in the road.
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They got disconnected.
There's a disconnect.
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They left their
Christian experience,
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may be they left it at
the church or may be just
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fell out of the
car when they were
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driving on their way home.
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But I know that's one
of the things that a lot of
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young people struggle with
is the whole, why is it that
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my parents expect me to
be a Christian in the church
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when it's not
something that isn't
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a reality in our homes.
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Have you found that experience
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as well as a pastor? Yeah.
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I think there
are people who have
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grown up in a hypocritical home.
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And when they see
it, I think it's very
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sensitive of them,
because they're trying to find
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what's real, you know, a
real Christian experience,
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but hypocrisy can be very,
it's something easily picked
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up and something that you don't
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want anything to do with.
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You know, we
always use the phrase like
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"Let's be real, okay." Yeah.
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And we always wanna
have a real experience.
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We don't wanna be part
of something that's fake.
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And if we feel like
that, you know, there's some
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hardcore individuals
among us who just, you know,
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throw that out of the
window and say that, you know,
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we don't want that
because it's not real,
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you know, that's not me.
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And people want a
genuine experience
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and they don't wanna
feel like they're putting up
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a show all the time.
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And it seems like
having the form of godliness is
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something that will never
appeal to anyone because of
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what you just said,
especially young adults
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and young people,
we're all about being real
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and having that genuine
and authentic experience.
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And when you have
a full of godliness,
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there's something that
number one, will never have
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you satisfied,
because it's not real.
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And number two, it's
something that will never
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appeal to other
people because it's not real.
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So, having a form of
godliness is a problem
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for you as an individual
and is a problem for those
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outside because they will
never be, may be encouraged
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or even attracted to
an experience with God.
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And I think if we
look back at Second Timothy
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Chapter 3 verse 7,
Paul even continues, there
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there are people who
are always learning and
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never able to come to
knowledge of the truth.
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And this is, this is key
I think, because we go to
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church every week, you know,
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we hear the
Sabbath School lesson,
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we hear the sermon,
we go to prayer meeting
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and we get so much information,
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may be we read
our Bibles at home.
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Hopefully we do that. Amen.
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If you're a
church member out there,
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we want you to read the word.
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So, there are
people who are getting,
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we're getting saturated
with information all our life
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week after week, okay.
Always learning new things.
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But the Bible
says they're never able
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to come to a
knowledge of the truth.
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Meaning, they
never really get to apply
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the Bible or
experience Jesus for themselves.
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And so, when it
comes to that, you know,
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that's where hypocrisy begins.
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And it's interesting because
this description even though
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Paul wrote it to Timothy,
it's almost verbatim as to
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what Jesus
addressed when He spoke to
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the Pharisees,
which kind of were the
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religious leaders who
knew a lot, they learned a lot.
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They knew a lot about, you know,
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some of the
doctrines, they knew a lot about
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the Levitical
codes and what have you.
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But for whatever
reasons all of these learning
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of religious and
ceremonial principles,
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somehow they weren't
able to come to the knowledge
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of the truth, which is of course
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that Christ was indeed
the Promised One, the Messiah.
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So, here they were
arguing about religion
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to the very one, to
the creator of all things
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and they were doubting
whether or not He existed.
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Is it possible
that for us to get
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into that experience as well?
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To be so filled
with theories, so filled
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with may be even theology,
and at the same time missed
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vital truths like
the Pharisees missed
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the most vitalest
truth of all, that Christ
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was indeed the Son of God? Yeah.
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I think it's definitely
possible because we always
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like to find things that work.
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And we look at,
this is the way for me
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to get what I want, right.
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Well, there's a story
in Acts Chapter 19, we can
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just turn there
because these guys
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were
experiencing the same thing.
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This is at the
time in Acts Chapter 19
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when the Holy Spirit
has been poured on Ephesus.
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Miracles are happening.
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And Paul is doing such
great things like even if they
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took some clothes
from his body to somebody
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who is sick, the sick
person would be healed
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just by touching his clothes.
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And so, we'll pick the
story in Chapter 19 verse 14
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that there are seven
sons of a Jewish priest.
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So, these are Jewish priests.
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They're kind of
like PKs. Preacher kids.
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You know, there's lot of
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stereotype
that's go on with that.
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I don't wanna, you
know, get into that too much,
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'cause someday
I'll have children
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and they'll be
PKs but hopefully not.
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And then, it says, in verse 15,
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the evil spirit
answered and said to them,
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"Jesus, I know, and Paul
I know; but who are you?"
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So, they go and they
see Paul is doing all these
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miracles and they want
the same power that he has.
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So, they go to this guy
who's possessed with demons
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or a demon and they
try to cast him out.
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In verse 30, "We exorcise you
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by the Jesus
whom Paul preaches."
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So, they thought
that if they could get it
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just right, like Paul
is, they know who Paul is,
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they know who Jesus is,
so if we use those two names
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maybe we'll have the same power.
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So, they're kind of borrowing
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from somebody else's experience.
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They wanted the same
power, the same experience.
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Okay. But they didn't
go about it the same way.
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And well, we know the story
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that the guy overpowered them,
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beat them up and they
ran out of the house naked.
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And, but what's interesting
is that the Bible tells us
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that they were Jews, that
they were sons of a priest.
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These are guys who probably,
if they were living today
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would know their Bibles. Right.
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They may fast
once a week, you know,
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vegetarians to the teeth. Right.
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Sabbath keepers,
you know, to the minute.
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And yet, they had no
power. It's interesting.
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So essentially these individuals
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lacked a firsthand
experience with God.
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They were trying to
maybe ride the coattail
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of the religious or
the spiritual leaders
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like Christ or the
spiritual leaders like Paul.
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They were kind of
quoting Paul, because
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they wanted to see
if maybe if they rode on
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his spiritual, you
know, occurrence, they can get
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the same benefits but
they didn't obviously.
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So I wanna address
the viewers, may be you're
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a young person, may
be you're finding it very
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difficult to find power
in your life for victory
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and you're wondering
what's going on, why is it
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that all my friends or why
is that this preacher seems
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to be having an exciting
time with God when I'm not.
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Is it possible
that may be you're also
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under the same
situation that these individuals
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were in Acts Chapter 19.
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May be you're simply
trying to ride the experience
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of somebody else because
you don't have that first
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experience -- firsthand
experience with Christ and
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we wanna encourage
you to take that step
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and to make that
commitment as well.
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Isaiah 29:13 says
that, "Their fear toward
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me is taught by
the precept of men."
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And it's important for us
to realize that we have to go
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beyond just what
just we've been taught.
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Just what we've seen
or heard to an actual
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living experience within
ourselves, otherwise, if we
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try to do it we're gonna
remain hypocrites. Right.
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Now, I'm glad you mentioned
the word hypocrite, because
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we've mentioned Timothy,
we said that Timothy was
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a good source of
counsel for the current and
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contemporary difficulties
and issues and challenges
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with young adults that are
striving to become Christians.
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So we've read the text
in Second Timothy, let's go
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to First Timothy,
'cause I think First Timothy,
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I believe, has a
good challenge and
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may be even a good counsel
as well that would give us,
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I think, power and would
give us a good prospective
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as to how to deal with
this issue of form of godliness.
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Because, let's be
honest, Dan, there are so many
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people that
says, "Well, you know,
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I don't want to go to
church because there are
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so many hypocrites there."
And they leave it at that.
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They say, "well, there
are so many hypocrites there."
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But I think First Timothy
4, First Timothy Chapter 4
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beginning in
verse 12 really, really
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kind of drives this nail firm.
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It says, "Let no
one despise your youth."
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You know,
sometimes as young adults
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and young people we
struggle because we're young
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and sometimes because
we're young and sometimes
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young people even
the church have --
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we don't have the
greatest reputation.
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We tend to have
the kind of reputation
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of being rebellious and
not really being into norms or
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doctrine or
standards or what have you.
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Sometimes the older generations,
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they're a little bit
kind of worried about us,
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they're like,
"Oh! Wait a second.
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We don't want it
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We gotta be careful
with this young people.
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We don't want
them to think too much,
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get too much involve with.
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" But notice what it
says, "Let no one despise your
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youth, but be an example
to the believers," and then
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it mentioned several
things, "in word, in conduct,
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in love, in spirit,
in faith and purity."
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And I think,
Dan, this is critical
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because many times we say, "
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"Oh! There are so
many hypocrites over there.
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There are so
many people over there
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they haven't figure it out.
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They haven't really arrived
yet, so I as a young person
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I'm not gonna go over there
because they're hypocrites."
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But, obviously
what this is teaching us
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is that if it indeed is
true that they're hypocrites,
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then I am encouraged,
it is my responsibility
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as a young Christian
to actually be an example.
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To get in there and show people,
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really show some categories.
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Now, may be we could--
We like to joke around,
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you know, as young people
because we're so idealistic
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and we think, you
know, we can change the world
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and we joke about, you know,
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hey, I'm gonna change the world.
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Right. And do something.
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And but in reality
this is the lesson like,
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you know, you got a-- it
might sound a little cheesy,
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but be the change that
you wanna see, you know.
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In others. In others.
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And so, you live that lifestyle,
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you go there and be that change.
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It's like a church,
you know, who, you know,
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you hear the stories,
I'm gonna say this because
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there are churches who
don't like their pastor. Right.
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You know, I'm a pastor,
so this is something to me.
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And all the praying
people leave the church
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instead of staying and praying
00:20:17.93\00:20:19.05
for their pastor. Right.
00:20:19.06\00:20:20.35
And, you know, if all
the praying people leave,
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you know, what's
gonna happen to him.
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And so, we wanna
encourage those people to stay
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but also, you
know, the hypocrites
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they need help
too. They need help too.
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They need to see what
it's like for a young person
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to actually believe
and live what they preach.
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And what I love about
it, is that, you know, its
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really spelled out, Paul
really explain specifics.
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And that's one of
things as young people we get
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frustrated with, is
when we're given a very
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general standard,
when we're given specifics,
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that's why the word of God
is such a powerful resource
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because it shows you
the standard, but it also
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shows you the
steps to get there.
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And what I love about
this text is that Paul says,
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we're gonna be
an example in word.
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In other words
in our conversation,
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is it possible what
that, the reason why many times
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our youth is despised
is because the content
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of our conversation, number 1,
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its not
intelligent, it's not edifying,
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it's not spiritual.
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And of course, the
content of our conversation is a
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pretty good gaze as to
what our heart is all about.
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Conduct, how we behave, right.
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How we carry ourselves, in love.
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In other words, we
have to love even people
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who may have double
lives, we have to love that
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just like Christ did.
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In spirit, in
faith, and in purity.
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In other words,
we're challenged to be
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examples in
every facet of our life
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not just at church but
even in every other case that we
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we find ourselves in and
I think it's pretty much.
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And I think if we just
continue reading, Paul says,
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"till I come, give
attention to reading,
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to exhortation and to doctrine."
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And this is one thing
that's critical, you know,
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I mentioned that we always like
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to get
information, but we never apply.
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We need to apply
and he's not saying
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just get the information.
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We need to be ever learning
and coming to announcing
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the truth. That's
right. Not exclusive.
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But then in the very next verse,
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verse 13 to like
verse 14, "Do not neglect
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the gift that is in you."
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Verse 15,
"Mediate on these things;
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give yourself entirely to them."
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So, it's not just, you know,
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compartmentalize
these things on Sabbath.
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We need to be giving ourselves
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entirely to them,
all in, or not at all.
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So, it's almost like
Paul is kind of giving
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Timothy the how-to tap
into that power that those that
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have the form of
godliness are lacking. Yeah.
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And I love that because
how in the world can we have
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the power when we're
not attached to the source
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of the power,
which is the word of God.
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And he's exhorting him to read,
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he's exhorting him to doctrine.
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I think as young people
we want merely a feel good
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Christian experience, but
we don't want the intelligent,
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the profound, the intellect,
which really is a balance.
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Yeah. It can't just be all
music and emotion. Exactly.
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And there's gotta be
some scriptures. Substantial.
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Something with substance,
put the music the emotion
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with the word,
you've got a good package.
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Another text that
I'm really excited about,
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because there's a lot of,
the Bible has a lot of ways
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to describe how
we can experience
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the power in Romans,
which is an amazing epistle
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that really talks a
lot about the gospel
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and the character of Christ.
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Romans Chapter 1 in
the very introduction
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of this entire book,
Paul kind of explains
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a little bit as
to what the gospel
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is in Romans Chapter
1 and verse 16 he says,
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"For I am not ashamed
of the gospel of Christ,
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for it is the power
of God unto salvation."
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So, in other words, the gospel
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is the source of power.
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So, is it possible that
the reason why we don't have
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power, we just
have a form of godliness
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is because we
have a misunderstanding
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of what the nature
of the true gospel is.
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Absolutely, and I think
another component would be
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a lack of the Holy Spirit,
because the Bible says that
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when the Holy Spirit comes
upon you, you will receive.
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You will receive power. Power.
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Acts Chapter 1
verse 8 I think it is.
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Acts Chapter 1 verse 8.
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And so, we don't understand
the gospel we lack power,
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but if we don't
have the Holy Spirit,
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we lack the same power.
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It's interesting because
that very word, power, and
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that very text
Acts Chapter 1 verse 8
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in the original,
I don't speak Greek
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I speak Spanish a
little bit but. Spanish.
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But in the Greek the
word power there is the
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word "Dynamos" which
actually where the word
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dynamite comes from.
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So, I think that such a
powerful illustration as
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to what happens when the Spirit
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that comes into your life.
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And I think if we
put this into practice,
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number 1, tapping
into the word of God.
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Number 2, having a firsthand
experience with Christ.
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Number 3, allowing
the Spirit of God allow it
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to fill us witt
spiritual dynamite and
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I think our lives
would really take off. Yeah.
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I came up with an acronym
a friend of mine actually
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came up with this
acronym and I really like it.
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I know how much you
love acronyms so. Yeah.
00:24:48.81\00:24:50.63
Everything is an
acronym with this generation.
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I think my name is
gonna become an acronym soon.
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What's the acronym?
Jay. We'll come up with it.
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What's the acronym?
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It's Blest, B-L-E-S-T
for avoiding hypocrisy
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you've got to be
biblically based. Amen.
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All right, it's
gotta be from the Bible.
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You gotta have
loyalty to the church,
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to Christ and the church.
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That the "L." That's the "L."
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The "E" is
excellence, not just, you know,
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excellence in the world but
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spiritual excellence as well.
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And service is a major component
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of that, that's the "S."
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And the "T" is
trusting God, 'cause we lack
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just because we're human
and so God has to make up
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the difference for us.
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And if we remove
those components, you know,
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if we have
excellence without the rest,
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we can become
legalistic, you know,
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it's got to be just
right. Right. Perfect.
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And if we keep those
components there, then
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I think that's a
safe word for us to avoid
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the hypocrisy that
we're trying to avoid any way.
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Dan, I think we just solved
the world's problem in this
00:25:46.60\00:25:48.44
little
conversation that we've had.
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As we can see, you know,
the word of God is not just
00:25:49.77\00:25:52.28
a book that's written
for the older generation,
00:25:52.29\00:25:55.21
it's actually
written for the contemporary
00:25:55.22\00:25:57.08
young person who has real
valid questions and doubts
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and I wanna
encourage the young people
00:26:00.48\00:26:02.23
that are gonna
continue to watch this program
00:26:02.24\00:26:04.85
to recognize that
the word of God is filled
00:26:04.86\00:26:07.35
with wisdom, you
know, we're gonna be blessed
00:26:07.36\00:26:09.61
to have many, many
guests in this program
00:26:09.62\00:26:12.15
and we're gonna talk
about many, many different
00:26:12.16\00:26:13.88
subjects from how to be
a good leader to sexuality,
00:26:13.89\00:26:18.53
some of the more
uncomfortable discussions.
00:26:18.54\00:26:21.45
We're gonna talk a
little bit more about
00:26:21.46\00:26:22.90
atheism, which is something
that plagues a lot of our
00:26:22.91\00:26:24.78
young people, that
doubt in the existence of God,
00:26:24.79\00:26:27.65
how do we know He's
there, how do we know
00:26:27.66\00:26:29.02
really that He really exist.
00:26:29.03\00:26:30.34
Maybe you're a young
person that is studying
00:26:30.35\00:26:31.82
in a secular
campus, you know, how do you
00:26:31.83\00:26:33.41
maintain your
spiritual principles
00:26:33.42\00:26:36.19
surrounded by
so much wickedness.
00:26:36.20\00:26:39.37
We're gonna be talking
about this in many many
00:26:39.38\00:26:41.03
other things from music
to how to deal with peer
00:26:41.04\00:26:43.53
pressure and the source
of our information and the
00:26:43.54\00:26:46.63
source of our insight is
gonna be the word of God.
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Dan, is there
any last final word
00:26:49.04\00:26:51.06
you'd like to say to our
viewers in 10, 15 seconds?
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Fifteen seconds, I'd just
like to say that if we could
00:26:53.31\00:26:56.25
pray for the Holy
Spirit and really agonize
00:26:56.26\00:27:00.08
for that gift, that the church
00:27:00.09\00:27:02.78
would be a much
different place. Amen.
00:27:02.79\00:27:05.19
And so we wanna set the
tone that in the last, or in the
00:27:05.20\00:27:09.08
next few episodes as
we begin these topics, we
00:27:09.09\00:27:12.12
need the Holy Spirit to
both guide our discussions,
00:27:12.13\00:27:15.14
but also to
really change our lives
00:27:15.15\00:27:16.99
and change the church. Amen
00:27:17.00\00:27:18.18
Thank you, Dan, for
your insights and all
00:27:18.19\00:27:19.99
that you've brought to
the table in our program.
00:27:20.00\00:27:21.61
If you've been watching
this program, we hope that
00:27:21.62\00:27:23.95
you have been
inspired to number 1,
00:27:23.96\00:27:25.95
allow the Spirit of
God to fill your life.
00:27:25.96\00:27:27.71
Number 2, to be very
much close to the word of God,
00:27:27.72\00:27:30.73
so that you can understand
what the gospel is and your
00:27:30.74\00:27:33.25
life will be filled with power.
00:27:33.26\00:27:34.97
Your life will not just
be a form of godliness, your
00:27:34.98\00:27:37.55
life will be the powerful
source that it needs to be.
00:27:37.56\00:27:40.74
And maybe God not only
will change you but will change
00:27:40.75\00:27:43.99
those around you
and will even begin to
00:27:44.00\00:27:45.86
change the trends in the church.
00:27:45.87\00:27:47.46
We wanna thank you so
much for tuning in today.
00:27:47.47\00:27:49.01
We wanna
encourage you to now go away
00:27:49.02\00:27:50.76
as we continue to explore
more of these contemporary
00:27:50.77\00:27:53.94
issues facing young
adults all over the world.
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God bless you until
next time. God bless.
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