In the book of Revelation
Jesus in speaking to the
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seven churches says repeatedly
to him that overcomes,
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to him that overcomes,
to him that overcomes and in
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and in each of those
instances He gives a promise
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associated with that overcoming.
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That's exactly what we
are going to be talking about
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on our program today, my
name is David Asscherick and
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I am here with my
co-host Shandra Ban.
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Welcome to
Engage and we are going
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to be talking about Overcoming.
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So Shandra if you would
introduce us to our guests today
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that would be a great thing.
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Sure David thank you, we
are so excited to have Chad
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and Fadia Kreuzer back with us.
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They were here with us once
before sharing their testimony
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about how the Lord has
worked in their lives and has
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help them to create a
ministry of creativity, making
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documentaries, so would
you guys just both recap
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a bit of your
story from last time?
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Yeah sure, I was raised
once again in a Christian home.
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I believed in God
but kind of fell away and
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didn't really follow God.
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Through a series of
events I was struggling with
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alcohol, smoking, drugs
and these kinds of things.
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Through a series of
events my friend Andy who was an
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atheist ended up giving
his life to the Lord and it was
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a rebuke to me because
he didn't believe and I did
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believe but
wasn't living for it.
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So his own personal
experience on just the fact that
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he said listen I can't be doing
any of these things anymore,
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I can't be living this way.
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You know you are that way
when an atheist is witnessing
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to you about God? - exactly.
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So you get convicted
and then what happens?
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Then sometime after
that the Lord finally gave me
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victory over the
drinking, over the drugs and
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the smoking was the hardest one.
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I chewed, I smoked, basically
I chewed till my gums hurt
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and it was always
easy for me to quit because
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- when you said chew your
talking about chewing tobacco
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- yeah the stick in and
dip in - so that's like common.
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Exactly so I went from that
and I can always quit because
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I can always switch back to
smoking and so I went back and
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forth till my lungs hurt
and that I would go back to the
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chewing and just back
and forth and back and forth.
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Finally the Lord slowly gave
me victory over those things
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and I went to a Bible
prophecy seminar in Grand Rapids
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Michigan with David
Asscherick, yours truly.
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That was great, that
was awesome, I remember that
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experience, it went very well.
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It was a large meeting and
there is tons of people there
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from young to old, there were
all kinds of different people.
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- you would have
been young when you came?
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- yeah I was 19 years old.
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And Fadia what about you?
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Well I was born in Baghdad
Iraq to a Christian family.
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We moved to the states
when I was four going on five.
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Brought up in Chicago and
brought up in a Christian home,
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went to a Christian
school and everything but didn't
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have the Christian experience,
it wasn't my own until
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my older brother past
away in a car accident.
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He was killed by a drunk
driver and then a series of
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events happened and I
gave my heart to the Lord and
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then wanted to be totally
His, committed to Jesus and
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He opened the doors and I
went through them and here
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we are today doing a ministry.
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So you say there was a
series of events that happened
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but the pivotal event was
the death of your brother?
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It caused me to think about
life, I started to think to
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myself if I were to die
tomorrow what would life be like
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for others that I have
influenced and I couldn't think
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of one person that had been
influenced positively towards
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Christ because of my life.
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I remember you saying
that in the last program and
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that's convicting,
that is so convicting.
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So your not only thinking
about life but it brought you
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face to face with death as well.
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- yeah! - so you guys
mentioned a few things here in
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your stories, Chad
you mentioned the alcohol,
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the smoking and Fadia
you mentioned just not having
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knowledge and not knowing
so you saw these needs and
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that has led you into a
ministry can you tell us
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a little more about that?
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Yeah, when we were over
the years ministering to people
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you realize that as
you're giving the Gospel,
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as you are giving the
truth from the Bible to people
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they have issues in their
lives that are unresolved and
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tearing up their life today.
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Practical things, you know
whether it be drugs or alcohol
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or a lack of forgiveness.
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With me I hadn't realized
that I hadn't forgive the
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person that had
killed my brother.
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I thought I did, and just
said all forgive and forget
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that it's what good Christians
do, but I hadn't dealt
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with it and not until something
major happened and then it
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came to life, well I
haven't forgiven this man.
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I love what you are saying
there that we sometimes just
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pretend like
everything is fine spiritually,
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then everything is fine
when in the reality is that
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people may have an intellectual,
or sort of a cerebral
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acceptance of spiritual
things but then people still
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have lives they have issues.
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They have physical things, they
have emotional things, people
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people I guess is really the
way to say it and that is one of
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things we are going to
talk about today, is how do
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we make that transition to
help people make more mature
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and biblically grounded
decisions in their lives and
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overcoming, that is our
program, some of these practical
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things, these real-life
issues and we are going to get
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in the dirt today so to speak
and talk about some of that.
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One of the things I appreciate
about Chad and Fadia's
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ministry is that when you
see a need you just do it.
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You needed these documentary
programs as we talked about
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last time and
you just created it.
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You are out ministering
to people and say hey we need
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to create a resource, we
need to be studying and giving
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a resource to people in
these practical areas of life
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so we want to
talk about that today.
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This Overcoming Seminar,
so maybe you could tell us
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a little bit about how
that came to be, sort of the
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birth of the
Overcoming Seminar you do?
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Yeah you know for years
we put on Bible prophecies
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seminars and we would go
around and we meet all kinds
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of different people
from different backgrounds.
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People would come and you
would find at the end of the
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seminar people were struggling
with maybe with addiction,
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they're struggling with like
Fadia mentioned forgiveness,
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what ever it is they have
something that they want to be
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closer to God but there is
something holding them back.
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As we saw that we would
use to work with stop smoking
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programs, but you realize
that's one and only one of
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many, many
issues that people have.
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And actually we were
over in Iceland, we worked in
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Iceland for a year actually
and while we were over there
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we were studying with a
spiritualist and a really nice
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guy and we had a great time.
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We were actually studying
the Bible together and he was
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very open and finally he
had an addiction and his wife
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was a Buddhist from Thailand.
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So you had this
Icelander with a Buddhist wife.
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We have an Icelandic
spiritualist and okay.
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It was a very interesting
situation because she knew
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nothing about the Bible
but finally he had heard
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we had done stop smoking
programs and he said, he said
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I have an addiction to
chocolate and maybe you can help
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me to get over that.
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And we chuckled thinking
he was being, - but he wasn't
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kidding, - he wasn't
kidding it was chocolate and his
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wife said no, no, no he has
a serious problem with this.
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- with chocolate?
With chocolate so we.
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- was he a great big guy?
- no he was in good shape,
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he was healthy guy generally
but the fact that this thing
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he was really struggling with,
so we thought he was kidding.
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He was getting
real bad migraines
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- he was getting migraines
from it and so they finally
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asked can you work with,
use some of the principles for
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this? That kind of got us an
idea off on okay, I would have
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thought initially it was a
big deal, but it was for him.
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One of the things about addic-
tions sometimes what doesn't
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look like an addiction
may be to the rest of us
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actually is a serious
trouble for an individual.
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So then slowly over time
we brought into the seminar
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because the principles for
overcoming habits or finding
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victory in your spiritual
life are pretty much general
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principles and if you
use those principles you can
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pretty much
overcome in any area of life.
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So now we've used this term
overcoming several times here,
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can either of you
speak to what is overcoming?
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- good question. -
yeah overcoming is basically
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finding spiritual victory,
progress in your own life.
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Finding out that you
realize you have something, what
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ever it may be whether
it be an addiction to drugs,
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alcohol, tobacco or whatever
it may be for some kind of
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a personal habit, it may
not be a drug or a substance.
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It could be pornography
that is one of the things
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we talk about it our seminar.
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We have all these different
things and then also that
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area for forgiveness in
finding victory over the habit
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or over the
negative repetitive thoughts.
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If it's lack of forgiveness,
you repeat the story over
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and over in your
head, or you play it out and
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it is getting to the point
where God gives you a freedom
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from those things, helps
you to be able to back off and
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not have love for those
things in the past or just
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a constant
negative repetitive action.
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So when we use the term
overcoming in a biblical sense,
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in the sense of overcoming
seminar we are talking about
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better lifestyle choices
and getting to the place where
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those things can be behind
us. And you are seeing this?
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Absolutely, absolutely we,
it's basically a five or six
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days seminar,
generally we do five days.
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In that seminar we go
over health principles,
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lifestyle habits, because
one of the things if you just
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avoid a bad habit what ends
up happening is you fill it with
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something so it's how to
implement good habits in the
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place of something that
is bad, you get the biblical
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example of! - I say
it's on the tip of my tongue
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but go ahead please.
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There is a guy who is
demon possessed of the demon is
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cast forth out of him so
now the house is swept clean
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and how many others come
in? - 7- 7 other demons come.
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Because he is clean he's
open and they can fill him
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up and he is worse off
in the end than he was.
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Sometimes that happens in
our spiritual lives, we come
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to Christ, we accept Him,
our lives are changed for the
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better but we are not filling
our lives with the things
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of God so what ends up happening
is our life ends up being
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worse than before and we
think man, I might as well
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give up this whole spiritual
life thing, there's no point.
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Something that I really
appreciate that you guys have
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mentioned several times,
I've actually personally been
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through your Overcoming Seminar
and it was a blessing to me
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and I have been able to
share a lot of the principles
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but one thing that you
are saying here is that if
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I see the title of
overcoming I think oh,
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I don't need to overcome drugs.
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I don't smoke, but I really
resonate with the fact that
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you say there are other
things, I mean pride, being
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judgmental even mental
habits and sugar that's a huge
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thing that people need to
overcome. - food is a major
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issue that a lot of
people eat too little or eat too
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much or they just eat
unhealthy food, all these issues
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they may seem small to
other people but someone who is
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stuck in this
realizes it can be a bondage.
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I love what you were
saying earlier and that is this
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idea that true overcoming
is not just the absence of
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the bad but if the
presence of the good.
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I love that language and I
appreciate that so you have
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given us some
practical hints here.
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We kind of have a definition
of overcoming, it just
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sounds like its moral
growth, growing to be the person
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that God has created us
to be in overcoming those
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baggage that we had in
the past so maybe we can just
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talk a little bit about
some of the specific things
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that you cover in
your Overcoming Seminar.
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Okay let's just say I
just showed up here today what
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is the first thing you say?
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The first point that we
lay down and go over each and
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every day is a quote
that says never forget that
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thoughts workout actions,
repeated actions form habits,
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and habits form character.
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So basically it works like
this, never forget that your
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thoughts, if you think
something enough will become an
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action, and once you act
upon something enough times it
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becomes a habit, and your habits
altogether, all the habits that
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you have in conglomeration or
who you are, it's your character
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What happens is generally
we want to change our character
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or we want to change our habits.
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I'm a smoker and I don't
like this so what do we do?
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We try to quit the habit, or
we have a bad character flaw.
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Like I'm angry all the time,
or I struggle with pornography
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or something I
lost. - could be laziness?
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- yes it could be
laziness so what you do is try
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to change the habit or
change the characteristic
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the habit consists of.
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The point is it's been
want to change it you don't just
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change the habit, you don't
just change that action, it has
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to go back to the thoughts.
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If the thoughts are not
changed the life is not going to
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be changed, so never
forget that thoughts workout
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actions, repeated actions
form habits and habits form
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character so that is
what happens basically.
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It's like the snowball rolling
down the hill and it starts
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small up here you say I
want to stop this great big ball
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down here, well
how do you do that?
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You have to intercept up
there okay so then I guess the
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question is how does someone
start forming correct thought
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patterns? Because that sounds
like that's the key to the
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beginning this process
of moral growth overcoming.
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How does someone begin to rewire
themselves for better thoughts?
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Well we start looking
into the brain and explain what
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the brain does and how it works.
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We talk a lot about the
frontal lobe and the effects of
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things that we do
on the frontal lobe.
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We talk about the importance
of keeping the frontal lobe
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healthy and strong and working.
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In Revelation it talks
about that God wants to put
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His seal, His name in our
forehead in Revelation and
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He wants to put His
seal in our foreheads.
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what is behind your forehead
is your frontal lobe right?
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What's the name in
the Bible? - character
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character right so He wants
to put the Father's name in
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our forehead's and you
can see the character thing in
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the Bible like
whenever somebody's character
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changes their name changes.
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Abram became Abraham, Sarai
became Sarah, Jacob - Israel,
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Saul became Paul and one
that is really neat is Jacob.
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I speak Aramaic and in our
language the heel means Jacob
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and so it is like
you're grabbing the heel,
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you're tripping
somebody up, your a deceiver.
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That was Jacob's character
right but then what was his name
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changed to? Israel
right. What does Israel mean?
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One who's wrestled with
God, one who is an overcomer.
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Right, exactly isn't
that powerful an overcomer.
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God says I want to
change your character therefore
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your name so we
realize name and character are
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synonymous in the Bible.
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The significance here is
that God puts His seal on our
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forehead it doesn't literally
mean your walking around with
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some people think I've got the
bar code on my head, but it's
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that God has put His law, His
character, who He is into us.
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Specifically who, Jesus.
The way Jesus walked and talked
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on this earth, the way He
felt, the way He dealt with
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people, the way He dealt with
the Pharisees and everybody.
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He wants to put that
same character into our minds.
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Into our forehead's so
that when we walk and talk and
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interact with people we
have that character in us and
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we would make the
same decisions He would.
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I want to tease
out something you said
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a little bit more
Fadia you talked about
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keeping the frontal
lobe, which is the fore part
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of the brain healthy and strong.
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Well if I'm going to keep
my arms healthy and strong I do
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push-ups, if I keep my legs
healthy and strong I will run.
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I'll do cycling. How do
I, you see weren't going with
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this, how do I keep my
brain healthy and strong?
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Do I try to wiggle my ears?
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There are actually several
things that need to take place.
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We talk about we give
the science behind how they
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discovered that the
frontal lobe is the seed of
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spirituality and morality in
the will that's what scientific
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discoveries have shown.
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The answer to this basically
is there are several answers
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on how to
strengthen the frontal lobe.
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One of them is good nutrition,
having the right foods.
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- you are what you eat? -
exactly you are what you eat.
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You want to make sure
because there are certain foods
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that are actually
strengthening for the brain and
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therefore if you
strengthen the brain you're
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strengthening your frontal
lobe and you will make better
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decisions and will have
a better spiritual life.
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So nutrition is one,
there are many other things that
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are simple like
getting enough exercise.
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Getting enough sunshine,
getting fresh air, these
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things all seen quite
simple but sometimes, many times
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we will discover people who are
in depression that come to the
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seminar, they do not get
enough sunshine, they don't get
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enough they are eating
just refined foods all the time.
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Foods not the way they
were originally designed by the
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Creator right? So getting
closer to the way we were
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designed to live is
something that will literally
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strengthen of the frontal lobe.
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There's several different things
from eating habits, exercise.
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So what next say for myself,
if I'm struggling with something
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I eat pretty healthy, get
lots of water, I get good sleep,
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what's the next step?
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Well one of the things
we do to through the week is
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we meet together every day
of the program, consecutive
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days, five consecutive days.
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We make people go
through a modified cleanse fast.
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We find that biblical the
fast and everything and it
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actually cleanses the body -Can
you tell us specifically what?
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And what you do is the first
day we just have you eat whole
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fruits and you can have 100%
juices and water, that's it.
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So fruit, Juice, and water
day number 1, - day number 1
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Sounds like paradise to me.
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So that is what we do and
it is so cool because the next
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day people are like oh man
I don't know if I want to do
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this. Next day the people
come back, how do you feel?
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Oh, I am surprised
that I was able to do this.
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So even that decision of
them doing that is strengthening
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the frontal lobe, you are
making a decision and in a
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group it is easier because
everybody else is doing it.
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So you're strengthening
the will by doing that.
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- positive
reinforcement. - exactly.
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So is the French fries and
the cheeseburgers are the second
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day? - no the second day
we do veggies and greens.
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You add them to the
fruit and fruit juice.
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Each day you are adding you
are not just doing one thing.
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So you add to it the veggies
and those are good, in Eden
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God gave Adam and Eve
fruits, nuts and grains right?
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But right when sin comes
in what does He add to their
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diet? -Vegetables!
- vegetables right?
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We realize that veggies
have a lot of cleansing affects
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on the blood, so God
needed it to do that.
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Sin came in and starting
having its affects and God gave
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us the cleansing agent so
that is why it is good to have
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the veggies, we could
go into a lot of it but.
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People are, many of the
people that are coming to your
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seminars I mean they are
probably not eating well?
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- no! - I heard as a
statistic just the other day.
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I was watching this
amazing documentary, speaking of
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documentaries, in which if
you are under the age of 20.
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If you were born after
the year 2000 and you are a
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minority, after the year
2000 you are a minority the
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chances that you will end
up with adult onset diabetes,
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type 2 diabetes,
one in two. - wow!
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50 percent and for the whole
population, in North America,
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one in three. I mean the
food that people are eating,
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I'm just going to come right
out and say it, some of the
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food that maybe you are
eating and certainly much of the
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American and the industrialized
nations is not even food.
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We call it food
and putting in packages
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but it is not food.
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Someone said to me one
time if you have to open a
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package to get to something,
that is not as good as
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something you don't
have to open the package.
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- that's good, that's good.
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God packaged it for
us. - yeah the bananas are
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prepackaged and the
oranges are prepackaged.
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One thing I want to touch
on very quickly just because in
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our seminar we go a little
deeper into the eating thing
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with the cleanse and the
fast because people who are
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diabetic, it's good that
you said diabetics and severe
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drug addicts we have a
different cleanse for them.
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The other issue is that
people who are diabetic if they
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are just eating fruit and
fruit juice they can have some
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serious sugar issues and
same severe alcoholic or drug
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addicts, that is why in
our seminar we go through
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specifically what these
people should be doing for that
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particular week because he
could be a shock to the system
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of a severe
alcoholic to all of a sudden.
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- counterproductive. -
that's right they need that
00:20:17.82\00:20:20.19
cleanse and detox but not
too heavy on the body so there
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is more to it than that
but that is a simple beginnings
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here. - so what else? We
understand food we understand
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the cleanse what else?
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One of the things, the most
important is that you can try
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to just live a healthy life
style by your actions, by the
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things that you eat, exercise,
sunlight, fresh air but
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the reality is if you don't
have the spiritual dimension
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you really can't truly
overcome on every aspect that
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God is calling you to.
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God him that overcomes, God
wants us to make us ultimate
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overcomers and we look at
different verses, God gives
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different promises
throughout Scripture.
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There is one that is
found in 1 Corinthians 15:57, 58
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and it says, "but thanks
be to God which gives us the
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victory." - so we don't
have to do it on our own?
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Exactly because
sometimes we feel like that.
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I'll get myself a little
bit better and then I'll come
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to the Lord, then I will
give my life to Jesus I don't
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want the church roof to cave
in on me so I'll make myself
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better and then I'll
come to church. Right!
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The reality is that it
says there in 1 contains 15:57
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that God is the one who
actually gives us the victory.
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We can't just do it, sure
sometimes our own willpower
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can help us overcome one
area, but every single person
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has something in their life
that they cannot overcome on
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their own. Take in the
spiritual dimension promises and
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on this subject many
times people in Christianity
00:21:41.14\00:21:43.73
especially, they think
this is terrible that I always
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hear these testimonies of the
guys in church who said I was
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a crake addict and sleeping with
whores and doing this and that
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and I just said
Jesus take it away and boom
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I never had a struggle again.
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It wasn't even an issue for me.
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But that same person doesn't
share with you that there
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are some aspects of their
life that they didn't find
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victory the first time
they prayed, we all have issues
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that are deeper than
just one single prayer.
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So it is implementing all
of these things through the
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claiming promises that
God gives and implementing the
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health aspects, putting it
together as a whole because
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we are a whole being we're
not just spiritual, not just
00:22:16.50\00:22:19.18
physical, we are
multidimensional.
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Putting all those things
together gives us a clearer mind
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to be able to make the
right decisions to follow God.
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So what I'm hearing you
say Chad and is not to be
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discouraged by the fact
that it might not happen just
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like that, that it is a
work in progress and along with
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Christ help we
can be overcomers.
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Well even going back to
when you were telling your story
00:22:38.94\00:22:42.57
just briefly you were saying
you were smoking, you were
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chewing, you were smoking,
you were chewing and if I
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remember right the language
used was God slowly gave me
00:22:48.29\00:22:50.61
the victory over that. It
sounded like it was process.
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Actually it was a process,
I've tried Nicorette gum,
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I tried cold turkey, I would
drive down the road and would
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crush my package of
cigarettes and throw it out the
00:22:59.64\00:23:02.29
window, you
shouldn't do that obviously
00:23:02.32\00:23:03.65
- you were littering.
00:23:03.68\00:23:05.38
I was trying to quit so
I'd do that and then I would go
00:23:05.42\00:23:07.97
by another pack that very
evening, or the next morning
00:23:08.00\00:23:10.52
or whatever it was.
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But it wasn't until actually
I was going to your seminar
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in Grand Rapids in the
year 2000 and you read a verse
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from 1-Corinthians and what
it says in 1 Corinthians 3 is
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that our body is the temple
of God, our body is to be the
00:23:23.15\00:23:26.10
temple of the Holy Spirit
and He wants to live in us.
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But he goes on to say,
if you destroy your temple,
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His temple, He's
going to destroy you.
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When I heard that - very
serious verse - very serious.
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And we think that sounds
old testament almost, but no
00:23:37.92\00:23:40.13
that is a New Testament
verse where God is saying listen
00:23:40.16\00:23:42.75
you better take this seriously
because your body is to be
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My home, My church is to
be My home and I want to dwell
00:23:45.79\00:23:48.89
in you, so once I heard
that the Lord actually gave
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me victory that night.
00:23:51.99\00:23:52.97
I never chewed, I had
chew with me at the time.
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The Lord gave me victory at
that point but I struggled for
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a long time until that day.
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So spiritual component, it
reminds me of 1 John 5: 4, 5
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you probably use this passage
in your seminar but I love
00:24:03.20\00:24:07.58
it, the word
overcome comes up three times.
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"He says for whatever is born
of God overcomes the world."
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So there's the born-again
experience, "and this is the
00:24:13.65\00:24:16.99
"victory that overcomes
the world our faith. Who is he
00:24:17.02\00:24:19.58
"that overcomes the
world but he that believes that
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"Jesus is the son of God."
So in each of these passages
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in each of these verses
here overcoming is linked to
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believing in Jesus Christ's
and having faith in Him.
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It's our faith that
overcomes the world.
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So you have the physical
component and we have the
00:24:34.66\00:24:37.05
emotional component, you want
to change, but at some point
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Jesus is the one that gives
us the power and I love the
00:24:40.10\00:24:43.03
language you use there about
how everybody has something
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that they cannot get the
victory over. - that's right!
00:24:46.48\00:24:50.83
And on that specific subject
Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:9
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through 11 I think there is
some of the scariest verses in
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the Bible and at the same
time the most hopeful verses in
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the Bible because what Paul
does to make it simple is he
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lists a bunch of sins
from adultery, fortification,
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adultery, homosexuality,
and he lists a bunch of sins and
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he basically says those who
are living in this lifestyle
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cannot enter into the
kingdom of God which is scary.
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Probably every one of us
could find some area of our
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lives that we have been
in those categories, but then
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it's says right after that
Paul looks at the Church of
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Corinth back then and says
this is the way you used to be.
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He says and such some of
you were, he was looking at the
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church and said you used to be
homosexuals, you'd used to be an
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alcoholic, you used to be
an idolater, or an adulterer.
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But he says God has s
giving you victory and no matter
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what we have, we have had
the opportunity of talking with
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homosexuals in our ministry.
- we have had some on this
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very show and we quoted
that verse 1 Corinthians 6:9.
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I mean this was the verse
that was the cornerstone of the
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whole thing,
such were some of you.
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And just very quickly she
actually, one of them went
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back to tell her
formally gay friends I no longer
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identify as gay and that
was after 20 years in the
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homosexual community and
lifestyle, so Paul is writing to
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those kinds of
people. It's a miracle.
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It is not that you are,
but that's where you're going,
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it's not what you are
but it's what you were.
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- exactly. - so
continue on there.
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That passage to me and the
reason I say it is one of the
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scariest verses is because
of the fact that each of us
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can find things there
and you are living in this
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lifestyle now and I want
to clarify that there is a
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difference between stumbling
into sin and living in sin.
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In a living in sin is like
somebody every once in while
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stumbles into anger, they
get angry and they realize they
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blew up and should
have and they repent.
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It's another thing to
just live angry all the time.
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On the issue of forgiveness,
when we do a whole day in
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the Overcoming Seminar, I
just want to throw out the
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website just in case
anybody wants to know about it.
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Its anchorpointfilms.com,
anchorpointfilms.com
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- so they can learn
more about your ministries.
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A perfect verse to go with
that stumbling in the repeated
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stumbling we go through is
Proverbs 24:16 and it says,
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"a righteous man falls
seven times but rises up again."
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A beautiful verse for
overcoming and looking to Jesus.
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- I tell you I love that
verse Fadia, I use that verse
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all the time in my own
personal ministry and in my
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preaching that a
righteous man falls seven times
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but rises up again.
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Thank you so much Chad and Fadia
for having been with us today
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and thank you our
viewers at home for tuning in.
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This is a very inspirational
and instructive program
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as well, a lot of practical
things so please send us an
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Just one final promise to
leave our viewers with today
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David is the words of Jesus
where it says "in the world
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"you will have tribulations
but be of good cheer
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"I have overcome the world."
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