The apostle Paul in his letter
to the Corinthians tells us
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that the last enemy
to be destroyed is death.
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Also writing to a young
pastoral understudy, Timothy,
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he says in 2
Timothy chapter 1:10 that
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Jesus abolished death.
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For many of us death of
something that is always
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happening over there,
something that happens to others
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and not to us.
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But we are going to be visiting
with our guest today and
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seeing that death is not
always something that is over
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there, for many of us
it is something right here.
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So our program is titled
today Light after Death and
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with me of course is
my co-host Shandra Ban.
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Shandra I am going to
invite you to introduce our
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guest today who is
a very special guest.
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So who do we have with us?
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Yes this is a very special
guest, not only to you, but to
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me more so me probably.
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This is Randy Ban, not only
is he your co-worker at Arise
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evangelism school but he
is also my husband and I am so
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glad and I hope I don't answer
the questions for you like
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usual. - like no
finishing Randy sentences.
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- I'll do my best.
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So Randy you are special
to me but your specialer to
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Shandra - that is true.
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So we are glad to have
you on the program today.
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Good to be here. - and
as you have heard in the
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introduction Jesus says there,
or Paul says talking about
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Jesus that He abolished death.
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That makes it sound like
death is something that is not
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happening anymore, but just
a few weeks ago you received
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a phone call and what happened?
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That's true, and just to
give a bit of background on the
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whole thing over there
that is true, but for me I have
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only been to four
funerals in my life.
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Two of them have been with
Shandra only one with someone
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it was my grandfather that died.
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So I'm not very used to
that and I was at home a few
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weeks ago and received a
phone call from my mom and
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my cousin who was there with
her and seen that my dad was
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brought in an
ambulance to the hospital.
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He was getting
dizzy and lightheaded.
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So it wasn't like a
car accident or something?
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No he was at home and
got a call up to my mom and
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she called an ambulance
and he was rushed away in an
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ambulance and I
started to pray for him.
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Now was in such a shocker
because I had received in this
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type of phone call about
twice the last couple years.
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So I was praying
a kind of here we go
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again type of prayer.
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Praying that the Lord
would take care of him, in about
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two hours later I received
another phone call from my
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cousin who was there with
my mother and said that they
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had done a scan of him and
they found blood in his brain.
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That was the first that I
had ever received that phone
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call before so at that moment,
Hearing that he had a democratic
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stroke my prayers changed a bit.
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In my heart I was
saying this is not good.
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So the first phone call
that came was dad is in the
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hospital, but that had
happened a couple times before.
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But this, again was!
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Yes there was blood in his
brain and I was praying some
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more and about an hour or
so after that I received the
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phone call that they had
gotten into his brain and saw
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that it was an in-operativable.
The blood had gone into
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his brain stem down, to
his spinal cord was basically
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shutting down his
organs. So he was on a?.
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He was going down pretty
quick but they kept life support
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on him until my nephew and
sister could then arrive to
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have some less time with him.
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With a little context to
this is all happening in Canada
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where you are from.
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Yeah my parents live in
Vancouver British Columbia and
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I was in California at the
time and Shandra unfortunately
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was visiting her family in
Alberta so I was actually home
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alone when I received the call.
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My sister was driving
from Washington state up to
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Vancouver so when I gave
her a call with the news that my
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dad had passed, I was home
alone and she was on the side
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of the highway
pulled over when I told her.
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It was pretty tough
but that's what happened.
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So Shandra you
two were not together?
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I was visiting my family.
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- and you are
home in California?
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I was by myself yeah.
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Your dad is not an old
man. - No he's in his early 60s.
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But with some more background,
his father died of a stroke
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due to high blood pressure
when he was in his late 50s.
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My dad had high blood pressure
and onslaught diabetes so
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again that was
related to the times that
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he was pulled by
ambulance before.
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And this is to the viewers
at home, if you know you have
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some health issues just
please make changes in your life
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if you need to because my
dad could have lived longer
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for sure, his exit was
early definitely due to health.
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So then that highlights the
point we are driving at here,
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in your mind yesterday it
had been to the hospital before
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yet you are not
expecting this call.
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No not at all, not at all.
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This is not something
that happened a year ago or two
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years ago, we are
talking several weeks ago.
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Well then as with any
death, now we have plans and
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preparations to make
and you are flying out.
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Yeah I was on a plane
the next morning heading to
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Vancouver and
when I got out there.
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Where's your heart
what's happening here?
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It was all so surreal, after
did the phone call I was in
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operativable, I'm not much
of a crier and Shandra knows
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that I broke down crying
that he had passed several hours
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in the early morning.
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But when I got home to spend
time with my family, praying
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together, being together and
working on the funeral plans.
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Well you don't expect
to be 28 years sitting in a
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funeral home planning
your father's funeral.
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It was very
strange to be in there.
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The word has got to be surreal.
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Yeah surreal was the word
and I kept using it in my head.
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You feel like you are
all most watching it not
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that you are in it.
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Definitely, it is funny,
even in the funeral home sitting
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around with my mom and my
sister, Shandra, and myself my
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head was thinking why is
that my dad sitting here?
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Not thinking that I'm in
a funeral home, I was in an
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office, yeah it
was definitely surreal.
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We are going to come back
to that, the reason I think,
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and I know that we
have talked about this Randy
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that it feels so
surreal is that we are not wired
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to deal with death.
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Death is not something
that God ever designed us to
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deal with and to encounter
and frankly our internal
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psychological coping
mechanism just can't.
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It is just too much.
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Now of course we have a
coping mechanism within the
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Word of God which we
are going to talk about.
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But at this point you
are at the funeral home,
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you actually end up
preaching your father's funeral.
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Yeah, when the time
came to work on the program,
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this is all so weird because
there's no handbook on how
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to prepare a funeral
service, but from the moment
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I knew we had to do that
instinctively in my head and
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heart I knew that I
was going to be the one
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to preach the homily service.
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I found out later that is
not so common I guess, I am
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not a Pastor or preacher.
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But you had an
unction from Spirit.
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Yeah because I really
reason that I knew alot of my
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family and friends would
be coming, a lot of my dad's
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family who are not Christians
at all and it would be
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an opportunity for me
to just preach Christ to
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everyone that was there.
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You have literally
like a captive audience.
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So you didn't actually
take time to prepare the sermon
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until the night before
the funeral because who wants
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to prepare the
sermon for the father.
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Yeah I didn't have
that one in the file.
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During the preparation
my goal was to show them why
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I believe my dad was saved
and show them how they can,
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anyone there be saved as well.
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So when you say you preached
Christ, it wasn't just like
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oh my dad was a nice man
and sort of going through the
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memories, this you had urgency
and you had intentionality.
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Randy why don't you share a
little bit of your dad's life
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struggle and did
share at the funeral.
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My dad has been in
and out with the church.
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I think at all times he
considered himself to be
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a believer but I used to
be concerned for my dad and
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his salvation because he
would be as what I would see,
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in and out, in and out,
and would be oh Lord could You
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please keep him
constantly with You.
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But then a passage came to
mind was Proverbs 24:16 where
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it says that, "for a righteous
man may fall seven times
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"and rise again." And
some versions then say "but the
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"wicked just takes one fall."
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I just started realizing
then that the reason dad was up
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and down was because
he wanted to get back up.
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If he had never struggled
with his walk with the Lord
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he would have been because
he didn't care but I realize
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that he wanted to live and
that's what it looked like.
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I started to realize that
he was just more honest about
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where he was with the Lord
than most people, even myself.
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It is so refresh and
frankly two-year you say that.
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That honesty because we
have had other guests on the
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program who sort of talk to
us about that, oh everything
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is fine and everything
is good when it is not fine.
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Your dad had that honesty
where he was in and he was out
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and he was struggling.
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It doesn't mean that everyone
has to struggle but that
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was your dad's experience
but then something happens?
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Yes tell us about the morning.
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Yes some providential things
happened in the morning of
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let me back up further
just to again while these things
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were coming back to my
head as far as I think the Lord
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was putting on my heart
to say hey Randy it's okay.
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He was in the saving
relationship with Me.
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Just the previous Christmas
was one of the last times
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we spent together and my
dad is typically not the leader
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of spiritual things because
he was always up and down.
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But at that Christmas before
we ate with our family and
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other close family members
uncles and cousins my dad
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wanted to say a
quick word worship thought.
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And before we even
ate and he loves food.
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He wanted to take time to
do that and he had us all sit
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down and he read
from his devotional book.
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- He's initiating? - Yeah
he's initiating and I can't ever
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remember that happening.
- that's novel? - yeah.
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He read a devotional and
then he said I want to pray.
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I have only heard my dead
pray audibly maybe 3 or 4 times
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in my life, but every time
he would pray he would weep,
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every single time I
actually heard him pray.
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- you never told me that before.
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He would always struggle
but an again in this Christmas
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one he prayed and
it was a long prayer.
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It would typically be
awkwardly long if we were just
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going to keep kind of
thing but he was just pouring
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his heart out to the
Lord and he was starting
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to soften and everything.
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Not only him but
the rest of us as well.
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Obviously. - so this is a
genuine spiritual experience?
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Yeah, so that came back to
my mind, other reasons where
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I started to
understand and believe that
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my dad was in this relationship.
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Randy tell us
about that morning.
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Yeah so leading to the morning
it was the Sabbath morning
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the day that he died and he
got a phone call from one of
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my aunts, they saw he was
online so they called him just
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out of a whim.
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I praise God for people
will move with the Holy Spirit
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is calling them, I think
my aunt and uncle definitely.
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They just felt impressed
to call him and they were
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speaking in the morning
and again she felt urged to,
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she knows where my dad is
at and this is someone my dad
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opened up to before.
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She said John don't you
think it's time to be right with
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the Lord, to set your
heart right with the Lord?
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He said you're right it is
time and my heart is right.
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And he said he was
ready to go back to church.
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Yeah he said he was
ready to go back to church and
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willing to forgive the
people he held feelings against.
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So this is the morning
of, that happened maybe at
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6 or 7 a.m. and he
was being pulled into the
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ambulance later that day.
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So is this your dad sister?
It's my mom's cousin that
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called. - and she said to
him straight up its time for
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you to get your life
right with the Lord. - yes.
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But she had that report
with him, yes she had that.
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He responds in saying yes,
I want to be more on track,
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I am on track and will
be more on track with Him,
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I want to go to
church and he has no idea.
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You have no idea that he
is going to be getting wheeled
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into an ambulance and
he is not going to make it
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to that evening.
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And there is another good
thing while he is going into
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the ambulance. Yeah when
he was in the house before and
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the paramedics were coming
he started had lost his vision
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which happens when people
are having a stroke, my mom
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said she heard him say
Lord I'm sorry as he was being
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brought into this state.
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I thought of Paul that he
had to go blind before he could
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really surrender his life
and I believe that is what
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happened with my dad that
he had to get to this point
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where he really surrender
and I believe that he did.
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So with those two things
plus the prayer at Christmas
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gave me hope, because I
didn't find out about that
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morning's call
until like two days later.
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That's the key word, you
just said the word there hope.
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That is the key word.
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Now when you got to preach
a sermon and this is awesome.
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You are preaching and
you are calling out and say
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reconciliation, you're
introducing them to Jesus,
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my father passed away
and there is an urgency.
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There were
several coworkers there
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that were not Christians.
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So you build the sermon
around their primary text,
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a primary passage
and where would we be
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without this passage?
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1 Thessalonians 4:13- do
you have it there please read
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for us because we
need to hear this again.
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"But I do not want you
to be ignorant, brethren,
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"concerning those who have
fallen asleep, let's use sorrow
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"as others who have no
hope. For if we believe that
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"Jesus died and rose again,
even so God will bring with
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"Him those who sleep in
Jesus. For this we say to you
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"by the word of the Lord,
that we who are alive and remain
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"until the coming of the
Lord will by no means precede
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"those who are asleep. For
the Lord Himself will descend
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"from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of an arc Angel,
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"and with the trumpet of
God. And the dead in Christ will
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"rise first. Then we who
are alive and remain shall be
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"caught up together with
them in the clouds to meet the
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"Lord in the air and thus
we shall always be with the
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"Lord. Therefore comfort
one another with these words."
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There's a part in that verse
that says, I don't remember
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the exact wording but
basically we do not mourn.
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We do not sorrow, and
here it is who have no hope.
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Even now it is surreal, I
have to remind myself that my
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dad is gone, I haven't
lived at home for several years.
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But what I do think about it
I did sad, but then I realize
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I'm not morning as much
as may be I think I should.
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But as they spend more time
thinking about it I realized
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that God has
prepared me for comfort.
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The reason I don't more
the way I think I should mourn
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is because I am typically
see other people more that
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don't have that help and I
realize and start to thank Him
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that I should be feeling
worse than I do but I can praise
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God, Lord thank You so
much for giving me this comfort.
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I don't have to
mourn the way others do.
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And from a biblical perspective,
He says we who are alive
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and remain will not
precede them who are asleep.
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From a biblical perspective
your dad is sleeping.
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Over and over again the Old
Testament, the New Testament
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our friend Lazarus sleeps,
Abraham slept, your dad is
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sleeping and this is why
Paul can say what we quoted in
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the opening is
Jesus has abolished death.
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We are like oh if he is
sleeping but Jesus is like okay
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you are not
understanding, he's dead.
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You have a hope in your
hope is that your father is not
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dead in the biblical sense
which is referred to as the
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second death, you
will see your father again.
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Yeah the whole first and
second death thing really,
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really came true for me
just thinking more about that.
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It's more of just a pause
and again I have this hope that
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oh I love the language
the pause verses the playing.
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So now the, this has
impacted you. - yet definitely.
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This has little fire under
you, you said something earlier
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why you said it just really
spoke to me about the dead
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and the living, do you
know what I'm talking about?
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Through my dad's death and
the fact that I have so much
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hope that he will be saved
has given me a motivation to
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really reach those who
are living and give them that
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same hope for
themselves as well.
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You can really see the
frailty of life, you're dad did
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not know that morning when
he was talking to your mom's
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cousin that that
evening he was going to be gone.
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- that's true. - we
talked a little bit about this
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yesterday the truth of the
matter is any of us pretend as
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though, we live our lives
as if we are not going to die.
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We have this
sense of imperviousness,
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almost invincibility to death.
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But we should be thinking
more honestly and more often
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and more biblically about death.
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Now really death is a
part of life and we pretend.
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I remember my own grandfather
he was 80 years old and he
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had written his will yet.
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We pretend like it's not
going to happen to us and here
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you dad and I we
cannot emphasize that enough.
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He doesn't know, oh my cousin
called or whatever and he is
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having this conversation and
he doesn't know that he is not
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going to see that evening.
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He will never wake up
again into another morning.
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But our hope, your hope
is that he will wake up and
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that is because we
talk about the hope.
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What is the
cornerstone of that hope?
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Is the death,
burial, and resurrection.
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Which it mentions there in
that text and I literally read
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that, I almost read this
passage every morning since
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the day that my dad passed.
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It's so rich to me now,
you really mean something now.
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We are talking about the
hope that we have and we have
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to contrast that with others
who do not have that hope.
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And this gets us back
to why feel so surreal.
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This gets us back to why
its so surreal and we were not
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made to experience death.
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God did not build Adam and
Eve in the garden to experience
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death, He built
them to experience life.
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Of course that is the gospel
promise to, the gospel of the
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world that He gave His
only begotten Son that whosoever
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should believe in Him
should not perish but have what
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we were always supposed
to have, everlasting life.
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Now put yourself in the
situation, which you have of
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course, and for viewers as well.
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Put yourself in the situation
of having someone pass away
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and you think you will
never see that person again?
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It is impossible
to cope with that.
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I was eating cereal with you
yesterday morning, I was with
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you at the park yesterday
afternoon, and we were in Hawaii
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last year for summer
vacation and now that it's gone?
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That's stop. - and
because it is such a real thing
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I am now motivated to
really share them with others.
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My own personal faith is
grown since my dad has passed
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and also the fact
share the gospel with others.
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Some really awesome opportuni-
ties came up, as I mentioned
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being able to preach a
sermon at my dad's funeral.
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But also now anyone I meet
I can use, I feel like I am
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a very dangerous person
for the Lord right now because
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I can bring this up at
any point and what is the
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person going to do?
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Discount the fact that my
dad died, is just the way that
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I can pull off from anything,
meeting somebody on the
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plane, need somebody in line.
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I love that language
and I feel like a dangerous
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person for the Lord.
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Now you have written a song
about it? - That is correct.
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You're in the throes of
this, he doesn't say we don't
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sorrow, he says we
don't sorrow as others do.
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So you wake up one morning
and this song just poof comes
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to you. - yeah I still
do the whole morning thing,
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I very much miss my dad and
we have to live on this side
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of eternity but I wanted to
find a way for me to express
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the love I have for my dad
and the faith I have in it.
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I felt impressed writes
it. You're being humble there.
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Stay at the opportunity to
record the song earlier and
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it's a beautiful song and
we going to come back and talk
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a little bit about
it at this time we want
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to go to that song.
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It is so beautiful and
I pray it will minister
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right to your soul.
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You are not perfect
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But it's all you have ever known
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But you did love me
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In the way you knew how to show
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And in times of pain
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You did call His name
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And in that day
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In the twinkling of an eye
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You will be changed
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When He comes down from the sky
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So in Christ you will sleep
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In the grave
you'll rest in peace
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Till we meet again
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When you are complete
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I'm far from perfect
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Chose to fall when
I should have known
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But I did love you
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Through the ways
I knew how to show
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So I will walk in faith
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Because I believe you're safe
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and in that day
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In the twinkling of an eye
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I will be changed
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When I see Him in the sky
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So Jesus please
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Keep me by Your side
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Until we meet again
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When I am complete
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Our God is perfect
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On the cross He let us know
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Oh how He loves us
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And the scars are there to show
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He's preparing a home
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For the ones He owns
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And in that day
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In the twinkling of an eye
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He'll bring our change
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When He comes down from the sky
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Oh Lord come soon
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Here our desperate cry
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Until we meet again
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When we are complete
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And on that day
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When He breaks
through from the clouds
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We will all be changed
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When we hear that trumpets sound
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There be no more tears
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And we will all be heaven bound
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When we meet again
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When we are complete
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When we all get to heaven
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What a day of
rejoicing that will be
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Hallelujah sweet
Jesus what a beautiful song.
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Randy why don't you
briefly tell us how that
00:26:07.17\00:26:10.44
song came to be.
00:26:10.48\00:26:11.75
It was one morning, again
I have been wanting to write
00:26:11.79\00:26:15.16
this song for my dad and
the Lord impressed me, again
00:26:15.19\00:26:18.32
I said I am not so spectacular
of a musician but I was
00:26:18.36\00:26:21.44
having my morning devotional
and I was impressed to go
00:26:21.47\00:26:24.52
to my keyboard and
record the melody and all
00:26:24.55\00:26:29.44
the words can at that moment.
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He gave me strength to do
that, even though there is
00:26:31.11\00:26:34.06
death, beauty
can come out of it.
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And the strength in general,
I know my mom is still going
00:26:36.42\00:26:39.45
through a time of mourning
but he has been able to keep
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her hopes high and she has
even been able to witness to
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the other nurses in the hospital
while my dad was passing.
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As a nurse she was actually
the one, that she is a nurse
00:26:48.72\00:26:51.93
herself, - she actually
was the one who removed the
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ventilator and everything.
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That really is the gospel and
just this song is an example,
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this beautiful song
comes up as tragic experience.
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This boldness, and the urgency
that you and your mom have
00:27:07.72\00:27:11.85
came out of this experience
and that is the gospel.
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Jesus died on the cross and
the whole plan of salvation is
00:27:14.37\00:27:18.43
consummated when Jesus not
only dies but He is raised from
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the dead, it's the
gospel. It's the gospel.
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While Randy thank you so
much for being here it is a
00:27:24.77\00:27:27.27
blessing as your wife to
see how God has enriched your
00:27:27.31\00:27:29.77
experience with
Christ because of this.
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As to our viewers please
let this experience touch your
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heart and if you would
like to be in contact with us
00:27:35.91\00:27:40.17
e- mail us at Engage@3ABN.org
or look us up on face book
00:27:40.20\00:27:44.42
just search for Engage
but most of all just let the
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circumstance, let me just
say from my heart and life is
00:27:48.53\00:27:52.03
uncertain and we don't
know when they can end, what the
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thing is that God's love
is certain so make a choice to
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be in Christ Jesus
today and God bless you.
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