Hello welcome to Engage,
my name is Shandra Ban and my
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co-host David Asscherick
and today we are going to be
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talking about
creating for the Creator.
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The very first verse in
the Bible tells us who that
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Creator is and
that He is creative.
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It says, "in the beginning
God created the heaven and
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"the earth." And Shandra in
John Chapter 1 our viewers know
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that the Bible says "in
the beginning was the Word and
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"the Word was with
God and the Word was God."
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It goes on to say, "all
things were made by Him and
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"without Him with
nothing made that was made."
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In our program today we
are going to be talking about
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creativity for the Creator.
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And Shandra introduce us
to our two guests, friends of
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ours and soon
friends of our viewers.
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Absolutely this is Chad
and Fadia Kreuzer and they are
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here from Chicago, Illinois.
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We are so glad to
have you with us today.
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Thank you - thank
you for having us.
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You live in Chicago? - we
live west of Chicago about
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and hour period. - I guess
I knew that but I don't think
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of you as being
urban people so forgive me.
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Okay, it is great to have
you guys on the program today.
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We are talking about creativity
and we are going to head
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in that direction in the
context of your ministry.
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But first let's
introduce our viewers to you.
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Who are Chad and Fadia Kreuzer,
let's start with you Chad?
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Who is Chad Kreuzer?
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Well basically I'm
from Grand Rapids Michigan.
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I was born and raised here
the first 19 years of my life
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was spent there, and my
family is still all there.
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I was raised Christian,
I've believed in God my whole
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life, but I
really didn't follow God.
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I never doubted that He was
there, but I didn't live for
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Him and I remember as a
young boy slowly thinking less
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and less about spiritual things.
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- like in your teen
years kind of thing?
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I would say even a little
bit younger I started forgetting
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God. - really? - yeah.
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In a strong Christian home or
home like I was raised in, just
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church on Sunday morning?
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Pretty much we went to church
every Sunday morning, I mean
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every Sunday morning, we
hardly ever missed church during
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my whole life. But we were
not real spiritual it wasn't
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a real spiritual home.
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So where do we go from there?
Basically as I was falling
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away from the idea of God,
I always believed in Him but
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I remember my friends starting
to getting into drinking,
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drugs and my dad drank
quite a bit so there was always
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alcohol in the house,
always cigarettes in the house.
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So I started drinking,
I'm the kind of person that
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whatever I like doing I almost
immediately become addicted
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to it, so I was. - how
old were you thin Chad?
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I was probably about 15 when
I started, and after a while
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I was drinking almost every
day, smoking every day and not
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even happy with it but I
would drink myself to sleep
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watching the
Discovery Channel at night.
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- really! Just to clarify,
maybe I have heard two things
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here, you did or you
did not believe in God?
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It did believe in God,
but I wasn't living for God.
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It wasn't a
personal belief in God?
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No I knew He was there.
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- okay so you weren't an
atheist? - no not an atheist.
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Okay now I have got it.
So you are in the teenage
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lifestyle but were you
taking it too like an extreme
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maybe? Were you
really drinking hard?
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Yeah I was drinking myself
to sleep, I wouldn't remember
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going to bed at night and
I'm all alone so it wasn't like
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I was doing it for the crowd.
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I would sit and watch TV
tell I could remember and would
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wake up in bed and remember
my mom shaking me awake in the
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morning. - did your
parents know you are drinking
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like this? They had figured
it out a little bit because
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my dad's alcohol was
going away but yeah, they knew
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something was going on.
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So is that all wait for
your teen years, even into your
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early 20s? Most of my teen
years but a friend of mine was
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an atheist and I went to
school with him all my life.
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We met some girls and the
girl invited him to church and
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so like every good atheist
he goes to church with the
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girl. It's not like he had
any interest in spirituality
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but he went for the girls sake.
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Bet you he actually doesn't
obviously always happen but he
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gave his life to God and he
ditched the girl right after
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that so it
obviously wasn't for her.
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So what do you do with you?
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So after he gave his life
to God he told us I can't be
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doing drugs anymore, I can't
be drinking anymore, nobody
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told him that he just sensed
when he gave his life to God
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that he could do
this stuff anymore.
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So when I saw that I
thought, man he has what I need.
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I wasn't happy doing what I
was doing, I knew this is not
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what I wanted in life
but I was doing it anyway.
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So yeah, at that
point I began to give
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my life to the Lord.
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So this spurred you on,
your friend who is an atheist so
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to speak is now telling
you now hey you need to be on
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fire, maybe he is not saying
those words but you are like
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man, I should be
better doing than I am doing.
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Exactly, exactly and then I
later on got into college and
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it was that same friend
became a Christian, who invited
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me to a set of
Bible prophecy meetings
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in Grand Rapids Michigan.
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There was a young guy
there preaching and his name was
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David Asscherick. - I know him.
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I have heard of him, I have
heard of him, he is not quite
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as young as he used to
be but I have heard of him.
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So you come to the meetings
Chad in Grand Rapids, what
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here was that remind
me. - 2000. - the year 2000.
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And it is your former atheist
friend who gave his life to
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Jesus and is now inviting
you to the meetings. - exactly.
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He invited me, I
had no desire to go.
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It wasn't like oh that
would be great I want to go to
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Bible seminar. -
really? So why did you go?
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I had nothing to do
that night. - Ho, ho, yes.
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When I saw the first
meeting was a prophecy where
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basically God foretold
the future of the world and
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basically it was powerful
to me. - Daniel Chapter 2?
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Daniel Chapter 2 really it
blew my mind and I was set on
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going after that.
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As I recall you came if
not every single my most of the
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nights? - Every single night
a couple nights I had to work
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late I could not make
it but I was there and
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it totally changed my life.
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I was baptized and I learned
about the Sabbath at that
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meeting and for me a young
lady came up to me before the
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meeting and she said he is
going to tell you that Sunday
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is Saturday. I did know
what she's met and I said well
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is it in the Bible? - She
said yeah and I said I don't
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care if it is in the Bible.
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It's okay because I didn't
know what it meant, but when
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I saw the truth about the
Sabbath it was so clear to me.
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To me there was no
way around it and a want
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to follow the Bible.
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So the meetings
lasted about five weeks?
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- Yeah about five weeks.
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You can to all of them and
by the end of those meetings
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you made a decision to
give your life to Jesus and you
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were baptized? - I
was baptized there yeah.
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So that gets us up there
and we are going to pause
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if that is okay?
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We want to hear about your
lovely wife now Fadia why don't
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you tell us how
you met the Lord?
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Well I was actually born
in Bagdad Iraq and raised in a
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Christian home but we
left there when I was about
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two going on three.
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We moved to Athens
Greece to another big city.
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We left there when I was
about four years old came to
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Chicago, Illinois and was
raised there at four going on
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five. - and that
is where you stayed?
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- that's where I
stayed for a while.
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Pretty much that is where
my family raised me in a city.
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Like I said I was raised
in a Christian home, went to
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a Christian school and
the whole thing, but living in
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this city is kind of tough.
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We would walk to school and
everything but you have a lot
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of things challenging
you for spiritual walk.
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You walk to school and
see all these kinds of things,
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you go to church you loved it.
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What kind of things? The
advertisements, you know guys
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walking by whistling at you.
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external pressures
and secular things.
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But when I want to church
I loved it and I wanted it.
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I loved God in everything
but then I felt like I had
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a split personality and
was never happy because of its.
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I was depressed because of it.
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Because I'm not fully God's,
and I'm not fully the worlds.
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So because of that I had
this turmoil all the time.
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All the way up into your
teens, the whole way through?
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Then in my first year of
college I went away from home
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and it went well and everything
and then the next year I went
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back to college again and
that year was the year my older
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brother died. - passed
away in a car accident?
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He passed away in a car wreck
exactly, he was killed by a
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drunk driver actually and
it was just devastating for the
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family. - can I
quickly interject a question?
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How many of you were there
Fadia? Brothers and sisters?
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I was between two boys.
- arose between two thorns.
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- yes. - and the
brother that passed away was the
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older? He was a older yes.
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So I loved him, we were
close all three of us siblings
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we would stay up late
talking all the time and
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we had a really good connection.
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- and what did they
do to your spiritual?
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In that aspect it was actually
a blessing because prior
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to that the whole struggle,
but then I started thinking
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about life and I
started to think about death
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and started to think if I
would die tomorrow whose life
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had I made a difference in.
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Who could say I know
Jesus now because of Fadia's
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influence and I caught
myself a Christian. - that's
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heavy? That's very heavy
and I thank the Lord for those
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thoughts, so what I
think to myself whose life have
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I made a difference in,
I started thinking, nobody.
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I can't think of one person
that I can say I know Jesus
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because the Fadia. - and
there is probably a lot of
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people out there that
can say that same thing but
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aren't
necessarily thinking that.
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So how did that
affect your Christian walk
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from there on out?
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So then my prayer changed,
Lord make me a Christian,
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do what ever You have
to do I want to follow You.
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I want to minister to
others, I want to change.
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I want to be real so from
then on the Lord just started
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doing things in my life.
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One of them, like Chad's,
I went to a prophecy meeting.
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And as I listened, it wasn't
so much the prophecy but it
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was more about the character
of God that really touched
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my heart and it was like
wow God really cares about us.
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He is not the one that is
causing all these things and
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He loves us and those are
the things that really changed
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my heart and I wanted to
serve Him more because of it.
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It was powerful. - and
this lead you to the schools of
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evangelism correct? - yes.
- and that is where the two
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of you met. - yes we met at
a Mission College and it was
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actually in South Dakota.
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It is really interesting
because as a kid I went out to
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South Dakota on a trip
and I always loved that area.
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Remember I came from a concrete
jungle of Chicago and to
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go to South Dakota, it was
just a whole different world,
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a totally different world
and it was so beautiful so there
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was a seed in my
heart for South Dakota.
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So when the option can to
choose a school to go to and
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South Dakota came in, and
a few things came into play,
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but when I went to look on
the map I said Lord it's either
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right smack in the
Black Hills or it's on the
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other side of the state.
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So when I went to see Hermosa
I said wow Lord You give us
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the desires of our
heart and Lord put that desire
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I believe as a child in
my heart because I was going
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to serve Him there, but I
didn't realize that's where
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I'd meet my husband.
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Okay great, so we've got both
of you up just following the
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Lord Jesus, you have a new
passion and fire in your hearts
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and you are at this school,
this mission college, this
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Bible College and
that's where you meet,
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talk to us about that?
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Well I first met her brother
and later on I came back to
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the school and we met then.
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There was really nothing
between us in the beginning.
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It wasn't until we moved,
we were working together on
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a team of young people
who were going out and sharing
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the Gospel door-to-door
and putting on a Bible seminar.
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While we were there in
Ohio, is were really got to know
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each other and there turned
out to be some interest here
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and there, and off
and on we had an interest
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she ended up joining a small
team of people who traveled
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around putting
on Bible seminars.
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Well in the course of time
we worked for literally years.
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- look at those eyes
are still love there.
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Over the course of the
years our interest grew more and
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more, we knew each other so
well after working full time,
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every day. - how many
years did she work together?
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6 years we worked together
before we got married, and we
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got married on the seventh
year, so it's like every day
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all day you get to know the
good, the bad, and the ugly.
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You go through so many things
together and our ministries
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were just coming together
more and more and so we started
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to pray, Lord of this is what
you want you make it happen.
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We do not want to fool
ourselves, we don't want to make
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this happen and the
Lord answered our prayers
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and brought it together.
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And one of our prayers was,
Lord if You bring us together
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we want our ministry to
flourish and we want others to
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come to You more.
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We want our families to
come to You and all of that.
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That was our prayer, if
You want us to come together
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this is what we want.
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Now you keep talking
about your ministry, so in the
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beginning, and even before
you were married, your ministry
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was largely a
teaching preaching ministry?
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You ended up doing seminars
not unlike the seminar you had
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come to that I had conducted.
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Exactly we went around
throughout the United States and
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Europe putting on seminars
about the Bible, giving reasons
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to believe in the Bible and
all right through the Bible.
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Prophecy meetings by in
large and we also did some
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seminars in overcoming
habits and addictions.
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Okay we are great to have
you back for program on that so
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we are looking forward to that.
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But at some point you end
up in the Pacific Northwest,
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You end up sort of
Oregon way is that right?
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Yep. - it is a very
secular area, at least where
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you were it is very
secular, not a particularly
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a very churched area and
you consistently are hearing
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something and that
lights a spark for you.
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So what was it
that you were hearing?
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Well we were meeting a lot
atheist and Gnostics who didn't
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believe in the Bible by in
large and while we would talk
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to them, they
were open to talking.
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Actually they were more
open to talking about spiritual
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matters than Christians are.
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I honestly found that to
be the case, we really love
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talking to them, nevertheless
as we were talking with them
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and we would speak about
the Bible and they would say
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I saw something about
that on the Discovery Channel.
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So after hearing that a
number of times I knew, like
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I said I used to drink
myself to sleep watching it.
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I knew seeing
everything you would see on
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spiritual matters would be
skeptical and so we thought man
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what if someone will go
around to archaeologist,
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theologians, scholars that
believe in the Bible and instead
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of giving the skeptical
slant given reasons to believe
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in the Bible, to believe
in prophecy and the things
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of the Word of God.
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Sort of that medium, the
Discovery Channel, the history
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Channel type documentary is
an incredible medium but not
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coming from the skeptical
perspective but from the
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believing
perspective. - exactly.
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So you get this vision in
your heart and what were do
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we go from there?
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Well what happened is we
thought somebody should do this,
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is what we thought.
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We thought somebody out
there. - we had this idea lets
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tell somebody else
about it. - exactly.
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We knew someone who
worked in video and thought
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they should do this you know.
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Actually David, he called
you because he wanted you to
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be in a portion of it and
when Chad pitched you the idea
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you were like, why
couldn't you do it?
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What would it cost
to get your own stuff?
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And we were like oh, yeah
so that is where that started.
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We started calling up
people we knew to fund raise for
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equipment, Chad had started
looking into equipment and
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we started a fund
raising for that so
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thank you for doing that for us.
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So your thinking rather
than bringing in outside help
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and bringing in the expertise,
let's just make a go of
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this ourselves? - yeah exactly.
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- let's create for the
Creator lets do something?
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Honestly, if I had known
how much it would entail at the
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beginning I would
have never had done it.
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Had either of you had
any training in this area,
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learning how to make
documentaries, filming, editing?
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I really had quite a bit
of experience, I had about 19
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years of watching them all
the time. - okay, but here's
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the reality though,
that is how God leads you.
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I mean the disciples said
to Jesus tell us everything,
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there is many things I
would like to tell you but you
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could not bear them right now.
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God very often He doesn't say
we are going to be going this
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way and go through the Red
Sea and then we are going, no,
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you just follow Him step
by step and often if we could
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see where we are going to
have to go we would say that
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journey is not for me.
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But He takes us incrementally.
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For sure, and that
is how it was exactly.
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It has taken so much work,
it takes so much of our time,
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it takes so much money and
we had no idea that it would
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be all of this but
it has been an awesome
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experience and the
Lord has totally blest it.
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And you bring your 19
years of experience along,
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I love that, I love that.
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And so you know it
that it looks good.
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Yeah I guess that's about it.
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And now you can have the
benefit of watching it sober.
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Yeah, exactly so I
know it even better now.
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So we are going to go to a
clip here in a second of one
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of the documentaries, now
the documentaries have an over
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arching name and what is that?
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They're called the Scripture
Mysteries Documentary Series.
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Basically we have the first
four done and there will be
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20 in the series in the
Scripture mysteries where
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basically going through
some of the main teaching us to
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give reason to believe in
the Bible, to believe in Jesus,
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and the message of Scripture.
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So these are covering a lot
of the topics that you would
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have both heard in those
initial meetings that you went
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into and you also went on
to share with others later.
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Now you're putting it
into the documentary form.
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Exactly, laying the foundation
for belief, the first one the
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purpose is called the forgotten
dream and the purpose is to
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give a reason to
believe in the Bible.
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So same message, but
what we are doing is literally
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repackaging and putting
it in a format, not just the
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teaching preaching format.
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I have two brothers and
two sisters neither of whom
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are religious or Christian,
though as there are with all
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people a spiritual
interest sometimes.
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But if I say will come and
listen to this guy preach an
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hour-long sermon, yeah right,
it would be like saying come
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with me to an insurance
seminar. They will be like no
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thank you. But to watch
something, and I have sent these
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to my family, I have sent
them to my parents and have
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given them away to many
people because they are very
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nonthreatening, the
format itself is nonthreatening.
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Chad were going to go to about
a minute and a half clip of
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one of them so just walk us
through what we are going to
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be seeing here.
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We are going to be watching
a clip from the third episode,
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which is called the,
Theodyssey, Theodyssey has to do
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with the question if God is good
why is there so much pain and
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suffering, trying to tackle
some of the difficult issues
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people have, because it is
a legitimate question because
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if God is good, why go
to great things instead
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of bad things happening.
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You probably could ask
question when your brother was
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killed in a car accident?
Yes and that was one of the
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things that really touched
my heart is knowing that in the
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grand scheme of things God
is watching over everything.
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He cares and love
and in the end it will
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be taking care of.
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Okay let's go to that
clip and for viewers take
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a look at this.
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If God is all loving and
all-powerful and all-knowing
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why is their pain and
suffering? How can God be a good
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God and a loving God in a
world of pain and suffering?
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And the very fact that there
is a world in which suffering
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occurs, isn't that
evidence that this God can't be
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ultimately good? That somehow
He has the world He wanted?
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I mean if He is almighty
and this is His world, He made
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it, He created it, ultimately
He is the one responsible
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for all the suffering and
pain that continue plummets
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our world or else He would
have done it a different way.
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He would have
created it differently.
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And dare I say it that if
there were button here that we
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could push to stop evil
button and all you had to do was
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go to the front of the classroom
and push that stop evil button,
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Dare I say it most of
us would push that button.
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but isn't it interesting that
the only being in the universe
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that could potentially push that
button, namely God, doesn't.
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That looks so good. - absolutely
that looks just as good
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as I remember it looking.
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As I am remembering back to
that call that Fadia gave her,
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I think it was Fadia and
your like yeah we are going to
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be doing a documentary project
and you called me as well
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Chad, we want you to
be interviewed for it and
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I remember the mental
picture that came into my mind.
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It didn't look that nice I had
this picture of you with your
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little video camera walking
around, you're point-and-
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shoot and then it came to
think alright he's got a real
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camera and he is telling me
where to stand and then when
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I actually saw the
product for the first time
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I was totally blown away.
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You guys have really created
some thing that didn't exist
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and it must be a
satisfaction with that.
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Talk to us a little
bit about the project.
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I really didn't know a lot
about, I really actually was
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afraid of technology honestly
before I got into this and
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I think it's the whole
thing that God calls you to do
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some thing He is going to
somehow enable you to do it.
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I look at it and
I'm amazed because
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I knew nothing
about these things.
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Once again if God tells
you this is what you got to do
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I could ask like I did at
times how can I do this and God
00:22:00.69\00:22:04.45
enabled me to every single
time He always came through.
00:22:04.48\00:22:08.21
I saw a sign on a
church one time that says God's
00:22:08.24\00:22:11.01
providence will never
lead you were His grace
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will not sustain you.
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That's good, so if He's
telling you to go here He's got
00:22:15.15\00:22:17.73
the resources available to Him.
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When you look at it to you
sort of have perfection like oh
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or do you have a
level of the praise the Lord
00:22:24.55\00:22:29.83
satisfaction with it?
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when I finally
finished it, I'm very critical.
00:22:30.94\00:22:34.95
I still go oh Man I wish I
could have gotten the sound
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a little better there, I
wish I could've done this
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a little bit differently,
but what I see it a few
00:22:39.57\00:22:41.91
months later than I can
step back little bit and then
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I'm happy with it.
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It is a blessing to
see how Lord can work.
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Chad you just said there
when you felt that God was
00:22:49.08\00:22:52.37
asking you to do this you
asked Him how could I do it?
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There might be others
that may have an interest
00:22:55.70\00:22:58.59
in doing some sort of ministry,
but they are saying how
00:22:58.63\00:23:00.67
can I do this, do you have
any advice that you can give?
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Well one thing I would say
be faithful where you are at.
00:23:03.35\00:23:06.65
All though those years that
we were ministry to people and
00:23:06.68\00:23:09.94
sharing, and studying the
Bible with folks, that was
00:23:09.97\00:23:12.78
preparing us for
what we are doing now.
00:23:12.82\00:23:14.56
We had that knowledge of
the Word of God so that when the
00:23:14.60\00:23:19.13
time came to put that on
film we had it up there and it
00:23:19.16\00:23:23.66
made it easier to know
what questions to ask the
00:23:23.69\00:23:26.57
professors, to know what
direction to go with the whole
00:23:26.61\00:23:29.90
project and I think because
we were faithful to God in the
00:23:29.93\00:23:33.19
small things He was
able to give us more.
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I think just to go along
with that sometimes you want
00:23:36.28\00:23:39.82
to do something big, ah I
need $50,000 to make a video,
00:23:39.85\00:23:43.35
a documentary or what ever.
00:23:43.39\00:23:44.45
The reality is just stick
with what God is giving you to
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do right now and if you
do it faithfully what He
00:23:48.44\00:23:50.53
asked you to do He will
give you something else and
00:23:50.56\00:23:52.62
something more
after that and you will
00:23:52.65\00:23:53.98
just continue to grow.
00:23:54.01\00:23:55.15
It is incremental, He is
leading you in a step-by-step
00:23:55.19\00:23:58.99
process, it reminds me of
a hymn, a hymn that we sing
00:23:59.02\00:24:02.83
that says I stand idle
waiting for some life work
00:24:02.87\00:24:06.60
grand, when the field of
Jesus waits your reaping hand.
00:24:06.64\00:24:10.53
Of course the book of
Ecclesiastes, whatever your hand
00:24:10.57\00:24:14.42
finds to do, do it
with all of your might.
00:24:14.46\00:24:17.41
So I like what you say
there where it prepared you.
00:24:17.45\00:24:21.46
You had a foundation, you
had a substance that you were
00:24:21.50\00:24:25.48
able to transition over
to into the video medium.
00:24:25.51\00:24:28.95
What has been the reaction,
has it been received as you
00:24:28.99\00:24:32.55
hoped? Yeah surprisingly,
you know we were a little
00:24:32.59\00:24:35.66
intimidated because we
thought I do not know how people
00:24:35.70\00:24:38.74
are going to like this.
00:24:38.77\00:24:39.84
We were just doing this because
we needed this product to
00:24:39.88\00:24:41.50
give to people and
share it with them.
00:24:41.54\00:24:44.97
But we thought, oh Man what
are other people going to think.
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We are so surprised, we
had one professor who had the
00:24:48.12\00:24:51.57
same sentiments that you
did, I don't know these kids are
00:24:51.60\00:24:55.02
going to do but
I'll help them out.
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A little pat on the back.
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Then we sent him the finished
product and he called back
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and was on the phone with
Chad for life 40 minutes and he
00:25:02.87\00:25:06.59
told them I was really nervous
about doing this and wow I love
00:25:06.63\00:25:13.13
it and I showed it to
my 15 members of my family.
00:25:13.17\00:25:16.22
The more secular minded
they were the more they like it.
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Well that's the point,
that's what you are after
00:25:19.42\00:25:21.60
exactly. - wow that is
just great because that is the
00:25:21.64\00:25:24.47
people that were saying
the Discovery Channel, because
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like it or not
that's the world we live in.
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We live in a world in
which you put it on video it
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instantaneously legitimizes
it and then if a professor
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an archeologist or whatever
now you have more credibility,
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more legitimacy, why should
we be using this part of the
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human psyche in modern
times for the glory of God?
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That's what we have been
finding in one of the issues
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a lot of times
people struggle to reach
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some of the younger people.
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I mean we found people and
my grandfather is in his 80s
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and he liked it. He said I
want to watch it again but we
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found that young people,
college age, high school, people
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that are generally kind of
difficult to share something
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with, or wouldn't be
even necessarily open.
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We found we had testimonies
of mothers whose kids have
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fallen away and they
share how the Lord has
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changed their sons life.
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He came home and saw the
documentary and said what is
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this and can I watch it?
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He says after that
He's back in the Bible.
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You know Fadia you
just said something earlier,
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we felt a need for it and
we were just making a product
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that we knew we needed
and now it is being used
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in such a wide capacity.
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But as an encouragement
to others that is beautiful,
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if you see a need in
your sphere of influence,
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do something about it,
you're the one that sees it and
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God is obviously
laying that on your heart and
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you can do something about it.
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That is where the whole
thing of God didn't let us
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see everything in the beginning.
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We just saw what we did
and went forward with it.
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Now we hear from people all
over the world, literally all
00:26:55.93\00:26:58.84
over the world they call us
up and write to us online and
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it has just been
beautiful and we love it.
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So bring in the program full
circle here the Lord has not
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only created us in terms
of our beginnings but He's
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re-created Chad and your
heart for passion for Himself
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and He is created
in you a new heart.
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He's done the same for
you Fadia, sort of born out of
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that difficult experience
with the loss of your brother.
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Then He created a beautiful
marriage and there is really
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a lot of
creativity here Shandra.
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The creation of new heart,
the creation of a beautiful
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marriage, and then now
you guys are going out and
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ministering to people and
you have created this thing that
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didn't exist, when you think
about it this product doesn't
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exist, this tool does not
exist in the hands of ministers
00:27:41.21\00:27:45.21
until you created it.
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So praise the Lord and we thank
you for what you have done.
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Thank you so much for being
on the show today and we just
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like to thank you for
being here with us too.
00:27:51.78\00:27:53.67
please contact us at:
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or search for us on face
book and please let God create
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a new heart in you.
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