Don't many people feel
that it would be such a great
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privilege to visit scenes
of Christ's life on Earth.
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To walked where He walked,
to look upon the lake which
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He loved to teach, and
the hills and valleys on which
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His eyes soft often rested,
but did you know we do not
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need to go to Nazareth,
Capernaum or to Bethany,
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in order to walk
in the steps of Jesus.
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We confine His footprints
beside the sickbed and in
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the hovels of poverty, in
the crowded alleys in a great
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city and in every place
where there's human hearts
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in need of consolation.
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In doing as Jesus
did when He was on earth,
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we can walk in His steps.
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My name is Shandra
Ban and I welcome you
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to today's show Engage.
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We have with me my
co-host David Asscherick,
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and a returning
guest Mindi Rahn.
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She has been here
before and on her last episode
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she talked about how
her life has been changed by
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missions, where she come
from and how she got there
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and what that means.
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Mindi you mentioned last
time that you really have a
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passion for the humans rights,
the basic needs of people
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their food, their water,
their sanitation, just things
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that we can actually have
physical things that we can do
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four people and
you mentioned that
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you worked for
the United Nations.
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Tell us about that, tell
us about human rights and how
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you got there, why is
that place in your heart?
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Sure, sure, definitely.
Well to be honest the first
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21 years of my life were
all about Mindi's rights.
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Seriously it's true, then
it was able to go to Coast Rica
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for the summer as a student
missionary and God really
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got of my heart there.
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He opened the door for me
to do an internship at the
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United Nations and as I
was there I went to meetings
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about people who didn't
have water, meetings about human
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trafficking, for example there
was this one girl in India.
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She had a boyfriend and her
boyfriend said let's go on a
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trip, let's go to my home
country and meet my family.
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And they went and he actually
ended up selling her into
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sex slavery and she contracted
HIV and ended up dying.
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I would go to meetings
about Turkmenistan and the lack
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of rights people have there.
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I would go to meetings
about malnourishment around the
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world, so my focus - these
are things people talk about
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we don't know about - no
people don't talk about that.
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We are talking about Hollywood,
were talking about were
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going to do for potluck,
and potluck is certainly not a
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bad thing but our focus is
on ourselves and entertainment
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as such but there are
people out there in need.
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We need to focus on
that more definitely.
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Your first exposure to
some of these things Mindi,
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at least your first
heartfelt exposure was when
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you are working at
the United Nations?
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Yes I had gone mission trips
before, but it was more about
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having fun with my
friends. But as you went
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I was by myself going to
these meetings God really just
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placed the burden on my
heart for human rights issues.
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I'm so glad to hear you
saying that because we sometimes
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hear oh we went on a
mission trip to the Bahamas,
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not that they're not mission
enterprises that need to have
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a place in the Bahamas, we
went snorkeling for five days
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and we built a church in three.
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Not to downplay that, praise
the Lord that it plays some
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role but it's true, there
is that kind of mission trip
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and then there's the in the
trenches, this is tough, hard,
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dirty, sometimes
unsanitary very difficult work.
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When you actually get to
know the people and see the
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situation that they
are living in, definitely.
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So if I could just ask
you, why were you in these
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particular meetings, what
was the nature of your work
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there at the United
Nations? Were you just auditing
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these meetings, what
were you doing there?
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Well basically the Seventh-day
Adventist church has an
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NGO consultant status
at the United Nations.
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Just, just - I'm sorry -
now didn't you love that?
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Nongovernment organization.
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NGO was a nongovernment
organization, basically any
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organization that is
not a part of government.
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We have as an Adventist
church a server status at
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the United Nations so
we can go to meetings and
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meet with the diplomats.
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We can write reports and
send them back to the General
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conference, so we can
know what is happening
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in the world around you.
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Okay and that is what you
are doing there? -exactly!
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So you're sitting at
these meetings and listening to
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report on sexual trafficking,
or report on the lack of
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sanitation, or a report on
lack of access to clean water,
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your heart is beginning
to, all of a sudden that new
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blouse and had to
have, that new pair of pants,
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things are changing?
-absolutely absolutely it's more
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of the world focus off of
myself and on other people.
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Which needed to happen.
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Now let me just ask you a
question, the phrases came up
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a couple of times here,
this idea of human rights.
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Human rights, what exactly
are we saying we say human
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rights, what are you saying?
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What does that mean and
maybe I can ask it in two parts.
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What is meant when groups
like Amnesty International and
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other groups say it, and
what is meant when you and
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I say it and when ADRA
says it when we say it from
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a Christian perspective?
A biblical perspective?
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Weren't typical perspective?
- right, excellent question.
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so let's go to the secular
perspective first of all.
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Basically human rights
are an Amnesty International's
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and other viewpoints
from organizations rights that
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fundamentally
belong to human beings.
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Just because they are human they
are entitled to these things.
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So food, water,
air, clean situations.
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- exactly, exactly.
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What happened was in 1948
after World War II and the
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Holocaust, United Nations
was formed in 1945 and in 1948
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Eleanor Roosevelt actually
spearheaded a campaign to
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establish a universe
declaration of human rights.
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It is similar to our
Bill of Rights we have a huge
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universal declaration
and those are thirty rights
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governments agreed
to around the world.
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But from a secular viewpoint,
human rights are something
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that are constructed,
it's not something that
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we inherently have because
they did not know where to
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go to get the
bases for human rights.
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Though it's constructed
it is not necessarily the way
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it has to be, but
we have constructed it.
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- you say, just to
clarify here for viewers,
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when you say it is constructed
what you are saying is that
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it is a convention in the since
that hey I'm a human being and
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you're a human being so what
would I want to have the what
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do you want to have,
it's not anchored in anything,
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its humanitarian but it's
also a humanistic. - exactly!
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And some scholars allocate
there is no foundation basis.
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We see these tenets of
serving other people and helping
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people in all
the main religions.
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- yeah. - sure right.
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A lot of times human rights
from a secular perspective
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means allowing governments
around the world to enact
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policies which in turn
will change human behavior.
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So from a biblical
perspective that's going to be
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fundamentally flawed at some
level, not that in it's sphere
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but you know and I know
in Scripture tells us we have
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a problem with the
heart don't we? - definitely,
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definitely a let me say
this before we get into the
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biblical perspective, I
lot of these organizations are
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doing wonderful things,
they are helping people,
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they are serving people,
they are out there doing a lot
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of stuff that
Christians are not involved in.
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- they are in the trenches.
- exactly and I affirmed
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them for doing that, but
I'm a Christian and we come at
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this from this with a
different perspective.
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- yes so tell us
what is that perspective?
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Sure, well I think we can
go back to the Garden of Eden.
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To find the
basis of human rights.
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For a sample at me ask
you guys this question.
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What are some human rights
that Adam experienced in the
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garden of Eden before the fall?
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What are some
things that he had?
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Well he would had a place
to live, a safe place to live.
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He had food, water there
were rivers flowing through the
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garden. - he had the
right to work and is there
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anything else you can think of?
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- freedom - yet he
had freedom obviously.
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Man you are really put us
on the spot here, woo, woo,
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woo, Pastor Rahn how are
we doing on the test today?
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I used to do this in my
classes, also he had the right
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to rest, the Sabbath, and
also hit the right of family
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and relationships with the
animals and also later with
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Eve and also God Himself.
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So human rights. - so
things we don't even think about
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I suppose. - they are so
fundamental. - absolutely.
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The rights that God
endowed him with when we were in
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a perfect environment,
when he was in a perfect
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environment in heaven
and the underlying reason why
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he had these rights
was because he had that
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relationship with God.
That was the fundamental
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basis was that
relationship with God.
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- because God is the
giver of all these things.
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Every good gift and every
perfect gift comes down from
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above James 1: 17.
And so God is the giver
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of these rights, okay.
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Absolutely and what happen
is you could have the fall
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and then you had these
huge problems, sin and death.
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Then the fall being, -
when Eve was tempted and
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she partake of the Apple
and then Adam did it as well.
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As a result we have this
heinous human rights abuses
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for the rest of our
history, as a result of
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the separation from God.
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So from a biblical perspective
the end is not solving
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the world's problems,
we're not here to solve poverty,
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we're not here to solve
dirty water, we are not here to
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solve child soldiers, human
trafficking, I want to stop
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that to be honest, I
want to I don't want people to
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experience that but our primary
purpose is to point people
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to that
relationship with Jesus Christ.
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He is God and He is
the ultimate solution.
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But these two things
are not, they're not non-
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complementary right,
they can be both. - exactly.
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So the issues of clean water,
sanitation, child soldiers,
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sexual trafficking is
totally commences with someone
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accepting Jesus as a
personal Savior. - absolutely.
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My thing is let's look
at Jesus Christ's example.
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What did He do?
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He went about serving others,
meeting their physical needs and
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bringing them to a relationship
with Himself and God
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His Father, and so that is
our primary purpose is to point
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people to Jesus, but we
meet their needs in the process.
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Does that make sense?
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- absolutely it
makes perfect sense.
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it makes perfect sense.
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So let me ask you a
question then relative to that.
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If dating getting back to the
contrast between the biblical
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perspective and a secular
perspective of human rights,
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the secular perspective doesn't
have by nature definition,
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it doesn't have a sort of
God oriented, God directed idea
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here of human rights
come from God and what has
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caused the violations of
human rights is separation from
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God, but because it
doesn't have that Christian
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organizations should really
be in the forefront of this
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very work in other words we
don't leave those things and
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say it will we will preach
the gospel, we will come to
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your town and preach, all
you need clean water then you
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need to go to talk to this
government agency over here.
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We should be on the cutting
edge, we can't expect the
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government to preach the
gospel, but we can certainly
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expect churches to help
people with these basic simple
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needs as you read there
in the opening the hovels of
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poverty, the
cities, the back alleys.
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So are we on the
cutting edge of this?
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As Christians there are so
many organizations and people
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that are doing so
much good around the world.
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For example the Seventh-day
Adventist church we have 5600
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schools in 148 countries
serving one million students.
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We have 70 hospitals - and
education is a basic right.
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Education is a
basic human right.
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Healthcare is a
basic human right.
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We have 70 hospitals and
300 clinics around the world.
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This is a good start but
we need to be doing so much
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more through God's power.
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- Amen, so what
does ADRA stand for?
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I know but for viewers.
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Adventist Development
and Relief Agency and they do
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a lot of good work.
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There are numerous countries
around the world, but again
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we need to be
doing so much more.
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- we could be doing
even more? Absolutely.
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Probably every person in
ADRA would say the same thing
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we want to be doing more.
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So here's a question, if we
could be doing more then why
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aren't we? Is it
resources? Is it finances?
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What is it you said personnel?
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Is it people, is it motivation?
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Oh, that is a great question
and I had to just look at
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my own life to
answer that question.
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I think it is
where our focus is.
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If our focus is on self
then we are not going to be
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thinking about serving others,
but if our focus is on God
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then we are going to be
willing to serve our brothers
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and sisters around the
world, where ever that may be or
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however that may be.
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So a fine, if I'm interested
in this what can I do?
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What can I do in my hometown
to help meet these needs,
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there are plenty of
homeless people where I live and
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I pass them a dollar out
the window when I drive by but
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what more can I do? - yet
that's another good question.
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I think it so my students at
Southern Adventist University
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in Tennessee and they
actually solve the problem of
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homelessness in
downtown Chattanooga.
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They actually started networking
every single Sabbath and
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going down to a
place called Patent Towers.
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They did evangelistic series,
they ran New Start, they ran
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Depression Recovery, they
made friends with these people
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and they served them.
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So there are abundant
opportunities right here.
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What they're like
feeding elements as well?
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absolutely. It's the
mingling which is the true
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spiritual component in the
physical meeting of your needs.
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Doesn't James said College
James chapter 2 where it says
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someone comes to you and they
are naked and they are hungry
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and you say oh God
bless you, go in peace.
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If you don't clothe them
and you don't feed them what is
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that? So we need to
meet both needs don't we?
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Absolutely, and can I just
say is really important for us
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to meet the needs of
people in the United States of
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America, but from traveling
abroad we are so many of us
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here in the United States
and we have a relative level of
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income, and I know some are
less than others, but I think
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we have enough people
here to serve our fellow man.
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I think more people need to
go out across the globe and be
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serving as well.
Let me read you guys
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some statistics.
- please, please do.
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It lets us know what's
going on in regards to lack of
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human rights around the world.
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For example, water and
sanitation, 1 out of 8 people
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do not have access
to clean water, that is
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nearly one billion individuals.
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Diarrheal diseases 4000
children died daily because of
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diarrheal diseases, they
don't have access to medicine.
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This is in the world? -
this is in the entire world.
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925 million people in the
world don't have enough to eat.
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18,000 children under five
died daily, 18,000 died daily
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because they do
not have enough food.
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Healthcare, for example in
Malawi Africa - where you've
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been - and yes I was in Malawi.
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There are two doctors for
every 100,000 people, just 2.
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Compare that to United
States we have 2300 for every
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100,000 thousand people, so
it's huge the disparity there.
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Education, 72 million
children at least do not attend
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school, and these are just
some of the issues we haven't
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even talked about
human trafficking.
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Several years ago I was
exposed to a book and a website
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not for sale.com I've been
there and read the book and
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cruise the website, I'll
tell you that was a whole new
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world that I was even aware of.
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There are more slaves on
earth today than there ever
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have been in history of
the human experience ever.
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Nobody talks about
it because nobody knows.
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No which is not known
and many of these slaves,
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we've mentioned sexual
trafficking many times,
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many of these slaves
are gone children that are
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sold into sexual
slavery, and never know,
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will this person
you talked about.
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Oh hey lets go back to
my home country and then
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you are sold into
slavery by her boyfriend?
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Exactly, and you know a
lot of times it is because of
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poverty as well, there are
families that actually sell
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their children, and they
don't want to, a lot of times
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they don't want
to but it happens.
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There is between 27 to 200
million slaves in the world
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today and 70% of the tourists
that travel to Thailand are
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sex tourists. - wow, that
is astonishing. - it blows
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your brain, but these are
just statistics aren't they?
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Yeah but even though
they are just statistics, the
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reality behind that every
one of these numbers is a person
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for whom Jesus died. -
absolutely, absolutely!
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It is an actual person with
actual feelings, pains, hurts,
00:17:15.29\00:17:19.44
dreams, desires,
just overwhelming friends.
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It is just overwhelming
and let me tell you it was just
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statistics to me, I know it
matters but it doesn't impact
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your heart until you
actually come in contact with
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someone's story. -
so walk us through.
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You told us that you had a story
there, really impacted you.
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This is in
regard to health care.
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Two years ago I was volunteer-
ing at Mulanje Adventist
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Hospital in Malawi
in southern Africa.
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I was doing some grant writing,
which is basically helping
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to fund raise for the hospital.
00:17:51.09\00:17:53.38
I was also
assisting the chaplain.
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One day I was walking to
my house was happy to be done
00:17:55.66\00:17:59.13
with my work for the day.
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I settled into my house and
I kept getting this impression.
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Mindi you need to go
back to the hospital.
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I was like, I don't want
to I'm really comfortable I'm
00:18:05.36\00:18:08.53
done with work
really comfortable.
00:18:08.56\00:18:10.34
He wouldn't let me go, it
was like to go down to the
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hospital, so I finally said
fine I'll go to the hospital.
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I would usually go through
the wards everyday and talk
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the patients and pray
with them and get to know them.
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They are such a blessing,
they are dying of AIDS and they
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are smiling and they are just
beautiful, beautiful people.
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But this day I walked into the
ward and there was a young woman
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about my age and she was
reading like this, (shallow
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labored breathing) and
her mother was cradling her.
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She was trying to get her to
breath with every ounce of the
00:18:40.86\00:18:43.65
mom being and again
I said she was my age.
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I was like oh no, there were
no nurses were doctors around
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at that point, nobody.
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She wasn't on oxygen, they
didn't have oxygen because of
00:18:50.29\00:18:53.94
resources and so was like
oh no she's having an asthma
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attack, I'm not a medical
person they didn't know what was
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happening but I
did know something.
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We need to pray and
we need to pray now, now.
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Now, now is vernacular used
in Malawi meaning right now.
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That is very fitting,
-the only words I know in that
00:19:09.48\00:19:13.67
language do you want to pray?
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So I asked her that. - do
you know how to say it now?
00:19:15.46\00:19:18.29
Even pa ad - I remembered that.
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I asked that girl
that you want to pray?
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She was gasping for
air, yes, yes I want to pray.
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She nodded yes, yes and I
prayed and I remember praying
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this prayer and I
wanted to find someone to help.
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I remember praying God,
may this girl except You as
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her Savior right now Amen now.
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And then I left the room and
I went on to the hall looking
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for someone and
couldn't find anybody.
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I was probably gone 20
seconds and when I came back she
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was dead. I had never
seen someone die before.
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It's like old people in Africa
are used to death, its like
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HIV AIDS. - no, no it
hurts them just as it hurts us.
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- of course. - the mom
was there and started wailing.
00:20:01.68\00:20:04.57
The family came into the
room and they started wailing
00:20:04.61\00:20:07.33
and I just backed into
the corner and just watched.
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She is dead, she is dead
and I learned a couple of hours
00:20:10.06\00:20:13.26
later it was because the
lab did not get the results back
00:20:13.29\00:20:17.42
far enough, quick enough
and if they had she would have
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been able to be
put on medicine and
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she would be alive today.
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So it is a disparity, a
lack in healthcare all because
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where you are born.
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- that we take for granted
and you said something there
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that words cannot adequately
communicate I don't think,
00:20:33.12\00:20:36.05
but it is so true and
that is we make a distinction,
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those of us in first world
countries and of course many of
00:20:38.98\00:20:42.08
our viewers are from first
world countries, not all of
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them but many of them.
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We have to be honest with
ourselves, most of us make
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a distinction between what
happens in, all yet death for
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us is, but that's over
there is different, no, no, no.
00:20:52.28\00:20:55.37
Death is dead, death is the
enemy and when somebody dies
00:20:55.40\00:20:59.05
and she is being cradled
and held by her mother that is
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just, I have two little boys,
that is just as devastating
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to someone who is in Africa
to someone who is in Asia,
00:21:05.89\00:21:08.62
to someone who lives in
Australia as someone who lives
00:21:08.65\00:21:11.98
in Europe or here. - Absolutely,
absolutely and it hurts
00:21:12.02\00:21:15.32
God's heart the
same as it was us dying.
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What is it to God? -
absolutely and went He sees us
00:21:18.55\00:21:20.93
doing what we are doing here
and what is happening around
00:21:20.97\00:21:23.09
it could be God,
I'm glad I'm not God.
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The pain that He has been
going through for thousands of
00:21:25.52\00:21:28.77
years watching this
is just devastating.
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You know there's almost a
sense of indignation in all of
00:21:31.27\00:21:36.13
this for me at least, and
some people are uncomfortable
00:21:36.16\00:21:40.47
with an angry God, they
want the nice God and there is
00:21:40.51\00:21:43.84
that element, no one would
deny the God of grace the God
00:21:43.88\00:21:47.91
of mercy, but there are passages
in Scripture where God is
00:21:47.94\00:21:52.37
frustrated at human apathy
and indifference towards human
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situations and a passage
of scripture that comes to my
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mind that I want to share
with our viewers and with us
00:21:59.97\00:22:03.48
here to sort of
meditate on this.
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Isaiah 59:14 "Justice is
turned back and righteousness
00:22:05.30\00:22:10.15
"stands afar off. For truth
has fallen in the street and
00:22:10.19\00:22:14.27
"equity cannot enter. So
truth fails, and he who departs
00:22:14.30\00:22:18.10
"from evil makes himself
a prey. Then the Lord saw it
00:22:18.14\00:22:21.46
"and it disbelieves Him
that there was no justice."
00:22:21.49\00:22:24.78
He saw that there
was no intercessor."
00:22:24.82\00:22:28.15
He wondered there was no
intercessor there and I just
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love that the Lord saw
it and it displeased Him.
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This will sound a little
trite, I hope it doesn't.
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I saw a cartoon several
years ago, just a little
00:22:37.84\00:22:40.67
comic strip and
I think it was like
00:22:40.71\00:22:42.09
Sherman's Lagoon or something.
00:22:42.13\00:22:43.78
One Fish was talking to
another fish or frog to fish
00:22:43.81\00:22:46.72
I don't remember, but anyway
in the cartoon this particular
00:22:46.76\00:22:49.96
fish was saying oh I can't
believe the world we live in.
00:22:50.00\00:22:53.16
There's poverty,
there's disease, there's lack of
00:22:53.20\00:22:55.69
healthcare, lack of access
to clean water and why does God
00:22:55.72\00:22:59.63
let this happen? I
just want to ask God.
00:22:59.67\00:23:02.40
The other fish or frog
that was in the pond said,
00:23:02.44\00:23:04.52
well why don't you
ask God that question?
00:23:04.56\00:23:06.34
There is this pause, and
then He says well I'm afraid
00:23:06.37\00:23:10.69
He would ask me
the same question.
00:23:10.72\00:23:12.66
Absolutely, - we are brothers
keeper, we are our sisters
00:23:15.21\00:23:19.43
keeper and we are the source
of God's displeasure here.
00:23:19.47\00:23:23.58
In many instances when we
are not actively involved in
00:23:23.62\00:23:28.19
bringing real physical
needs to real people, let's face
00:23:28.23\00:23:31.59
it we are spiritually being
yes, but we are also physical
00:23:31.63\00:23:34.96
beings that need water,
that need food, that need
00:23:35.00\00:23:38.21
healthcare. Well I'm
thinking about Mark 10:45
00:23:38.24\00:23:41.39
"for even the son of man
did not come to be served but
00:23:41.42\00:23:45.44
"to serve and to give
His life a ransom for many."
00:23:45.47\00:23:49.42
He didn't come to just have a
good time on earth to see what
00:23:49.45\00:23:53.93
was like, He came to get His
life and so how can we follow
00:23:53.96\00:23:58.40
that council, how can we
be like Christ the way that
00:23:58.44\00:24:00.86
He asked us to serve
others, how can we do that?
00:24:00.89\00:24:03.28
That is an excellent question.
00:24:03.31\00:24:06.24
You quote there Mark 10
and what comes to my mind is
00:24:06.28\00:24:10.06
John 13 "I have given
you an example." - absolutely
00:24:10.09\00:24:14.20
and we can go on and on
Isaiah 58, Matthew 25, but we
00:24:14.23\00:24:18.31
cannot divorce that
from pointing people to that
00:24:18.34\00:24:20.43
relationship of Jesus Christ.
00:24:20.47\00:24:22.24
Because we can heal them
temporarily, but what about
00:24:22.27\00:24:26.51
within peace from knowing
Jesus? It's both definitely.
00:24:26.55\00:24:31.06
So Mindi help us out
here, how do we marry these two
00:24:31.10\00:24:35.57
ideas? what do we do?
00:24:35.61\00:24:37.23
I mean I can pray, Shandra
can pray, we are here and
00:24:37.26\00:24:40.55
got this globally network,
we are speaking to literally
00:24:40.58\00:24:43.31
thousands of people, 10
thousands of people, hundreds
00:24:43.35\00:24:46.83
of thousands of people,
what do we do? What can we do?
00:24:46.86\00:24:50.30
Okay excellent
question, this is a question
00:24:50.34\00:24:53.21
makes me really excited.
00:24:53.25\00:24:54.68
Number one we can pray
for revival and conversion.
00:24:54.71\00:24:57.74
That we actually have a
burden for souls and care for
00:24:57.77\00:25:00.77
other people,
that is number one.
00:25:00.80\00:25:02.63
Number two, we can
build up, we have wonderful
00:25:02.66\00:25:07.13
Seventh-day
Adventist education system,
00:25:07.16\00:25:08.87
but we can incorporate
this more concretely into the
00:25:08.91\00:25:12.95
curriculum of
meeting temporal needs
00:25:12.98\00:25:14.86
and fostering spiritual needs.
00:25:14.89\00:25:16.76
So more educational
programs at the academy,
00:25:16.80\00:25:19.07
at the University level.
00:25:19.10\00:25:20.47
Next let's continue to
involve youth and really up it.
00:25:20.51\00:25:25.45
Target youth, for example
I have a friend that is in
00:25:25.48\00:25:29.10
Afghanistan right now,
a young man 22 years old.
00:25:29.13\00:25:32.85
He came to ARISE absolutely
and his name is Luther.
00:25:32.88\00:25:36.52
He is over there on his own
initiative attempting to meet
00:25:36.56\00:25:40.55
these people's needs and
shared Jesus Christ, yeah.
00:25:40.58\00:25:43.46
So we can support
individuals like this.
00:25:43.49\00:25:45.53
It to Paul in Petra, a young
couple that are ministering
00:25:45.57\00:25:48.39
at the Gimbe
Hospital in Ethiopia.
00:25:48.43\00:25:50.73
So we can send our youth,
so we can create organizations
00:25:50.76\00:25:55.16
that target youth and invest in
youth and go forward with their
00:25:55.20\00:25:59.31
ideas for reaching the world.
00:25:59.35\00:26:00.96
- I love that, I
absolutely love that.
00:26:00.99\00:26:02.99
You are talking about
empowerment here, empowering
00:26:03.02\00:26:06.32
people to well
bless other people.
00:26:06.35\00:26:09.36
To bring the Gospel, the
Gospel is not just empty words
00:26:09.39\00:26:12.00
you've probably heard this
thing before him we don't want
00:26:12.03\00:26:14.60
to be so heavenly minded
there were no earthly good.
00:26:14.64\00:26:17.05
There is no such thing because
heavenly mindedness is not
00:26:17.09\00:26:21.58
just meeting the spiritual,
it's meeting people, I mean
00:26:21.61\00:26:25.43
Jesus healed lepers, Jesus
fed the 5000, Jesus came to
00:26:25.46\00:26:29.24
make those kinds
of needs as well.
00:26:29.28\00:26:31.23
Absolutely and let me actually
close with a quick story.
00:26:31.27\00:26:35.12
Recently my family was in
Haiti, I wasn't there this time.
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My mom and my dad,
my dad is a physician.
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While they were there they
were at an orphanage a girl
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either accidentally, or on
purpose because we don't know,
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drank Clorox bleach and it
perforated, made a hole in her
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esophagus, in the United
States in the best ICU this
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would be a 90% mortality rate.
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So my parents decided,
and my cousins as well decided
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to take this young
lady to the hospital.
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The hospital was in
shambles there a Haiti,
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they don't have the resources.
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When my parents left the
room they would take the oxygen
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from her, they didn't
want to waste it because
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they thought she would die.
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My parents stayed with
that girl all night crying
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and praying, crying and
praying and she made it.
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90% mortality rate in the
United States and she makes
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it in Haiti, so we need
to go out there and need
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to be reaching these people and
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God will work
miracles and save souls.
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We would like to invite
you our viewers as well if
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you have any comments or
comments please e-mail us:
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and check us out on face
book, write us your comments
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and get in touch with
Mindi so that you can learn what
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you can do as well.
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Thank you for that Shandra,
thank you for that Mindi for
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joining us and I want to take
a minute to step further and
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say yes the comments, and
yes the e-mails, and yes the
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questions but
even more the action.
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In other words this is
not about them it's about you.
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It's about you
serving in the name of Jesus
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