Participants: David Down
Series Code: DUTP
Program Code: DUTP000010A
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00:01 A few years ago, in a nearby quarry, they set off a blast of
00:04 gelignite, which dislodged an entrance to a cave. 00:07 We're at the entrance to that cave, called the Sorret Cave, 00:10 near Jerusalem. 00:12 Inside are some amazing sights. 01:28 It's unfortunate that the lighting inside the cave doesn't 01:31 permit us to show it as it truly is. 01:33 It really is quite breathtaking. 01:36 Maybe Revelation 5:13 does have some significance. 01:41 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, 01:45 and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, 01:48 and all that are in them, I heard saying, Blessing, 01:52 and honor, and glory, and power, be to him who sits 01:56 on the throne,... 01:57 Let's go now and see the things that are of the sea. 02:06 There's some really fantastic things in the under water 02:10 observatory here at Elot. 02:11 Let's go and take a closer look at them, shall we? 03:04 Unbelievable, just really unbelievable! 03:07 My reason tells me that this just can't be the result of 03:11 blind evolutionary chance. 03:13 There just has to be an omnipotent creator 03:16 behind it all, don't you think? 03:32 Besides the wonders of the land and the sea, there are, 03:35 of course, the wonders of the heavens. 03:38 These are not confined to Palestine, of course, 03:41 but Abraham knew something about these wonders 03:44 of the heavens. 03:46 One night, it says here, that God spoke to him in 03:49 Genesis 15:5, He brought him outside and said, Look now 03:56 toward heaven, and count the stars, if you are able to 03:59 number them:... 04:00 and I suppose Abraham looked up into those beautiful star 04:03 spangled heavens, and admired them just as you and I can, 04:07 but you know that it's very significant that He said to 04:10 Abraham, Just count the stars if you can. 04:14 Now people thought they could count the stars. 04:17 I knew one astronomer a long time ago who carefully counted 04:21 them: 2,200 stars. 04:23 He had it all worked out. 04:24 But then, of course, came the telescope. 04:27 Now we know that the heavens are just ablaze with 04:31 burning stars; millions, and millions, and millions of 04:35 stars across the heavens. 04:36 And not only the stars, of course, 04:38 that can be seen by the naked eye. 04:40 I don't know what Abraham saw. 04:42 Perhaps God gave him telescopic vision in his dream too, 04:45 in this particular vision that he appeared to him. 04:48 If so, he could have seen most beautiful planets with their 04:54 rings around them, you know, and their moons circling 04:58 around them. 05:00 He could have seen the Nebula, you know that beautiful Nebular 05:04 in Orion stretching across the sky, millions and millions of 05:08 light years in size, and the colors absolutely fantastic, 05:14 and other Nebula too. 05:16 There are so many beautiful sights in the heavens. 05:19 As the telescope sweeps across the skies, perhaps as Abraham 05:24 could see it, what a beautiful sight it is! 05:27 You'd have to say, Well, it just couldn't have all happened. 05:30 There must have been a creator behind it. 05:32 I'll tell you something else, too, over here in the book of 05:36 Job 26:7 it says, He stretches out the north over 05:45 the empty space. 05:47 He hangs the earth on nothing. 05:50 Now that's terribly significant! 05:52 People back then thought that the earth must be sitting on 05:55 something; four pillars, or the back of Hercules, 05:58 or on the back of an elephant or something like that. 06:00 But here the Bible says He hangs the earth on nothing. 06:04 Today we know that our planet, like all the rest of the 06:07 universe is suspended in space. 06:09 Now it had to be a revelation for men to know that; 06:14 for Moses to be able to write that in the book of Job. 06:16 As so there's plenty of evidence that it was the Creator who made 06:20 these things. 06:21 It was the Creator who was there when it was all made. 06:24 And believe me, that's the best witness, isn't it? 06:27 If you want to know where the universe came from, 06:30 ask the Creator. 06:31 He was there. 06:32 The scientists know a lot my friends, 06:34 but they don't know everything. 06:35 They weren't there when it all happened, but God was. 06:38 I believe the best way to find out where the universe came from 06:42 is to look in the sacred books of God. 06:46 The Bible begins where all good books used to begin, 06:50 and that's at the beginning. 06:52 In Genesis 1:1 it says, In the beginning God created the 07:00 heaven and the earth. 07:01 What a simple and sublime statement that is. 07:04 Nothing here about a long, drawn out evolutionary process. 07:08 Now some people might say, Yes, but the scientists have the 07:11 evidence on their side, you know? 07:14 I know that the scientists come up some evidence, but the most 07:19 important evidence after all is that of an eye witness. 07:22 And, let's face it, the evolutionists, no matter how 07:27 cleaver they were, were not there. 07:29 God was. 07:30 And God tells us, In the beginning God created 07:34 the heaven and the earth. 07:35 So we have not descended from beasts, or animals. 07:41 Actually, we're on the way down. 07:42 We have descended from a noble pair of people: Adam and Eve. 07:47 It was a perfect creation. 07:50 It tells us here in Genesis 1:31, Then God saw 07:56 everything that he had made, and indeed it was very good. 08:00 It was a beautiful world; no arid deserts, no turbulent seas, 08:05 just a beautiful world with flowers and trees. 08:08 Even nature was at peace; even the animals, and the birds. 08:11 Everything was at peace. 08:13 It tells us here in Genesis 1: 30, To every beast of the earth, 08:20 to every bird of the air, to everything that creeps on the 08:22 earth, in which there is life, I have given every green 08:25 herb for food. 08:27 And so the tigers were not to prey on the gentle deer, 08:32 and the cat was not going to torment the mouse before 08:36 it ate it, not even the birds were going to eat the worms. 08:40 Just everything was at peace. 08:42 There was to be no death, and man was to live forever. 08:45 It says here in chapter 2, verse 9, And out of the ground 08:54 the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the 08:57 sight, and good for food; the tree of life was also in the 09:00 midst of the garden. 09:01 You see, by eating of this tree of life man would have that 09:05 element which would enable him never to die; to live forever. 09:08 And that was God's plan; wonderful plan! 09:11 And so it was to be a wonderful world. 09:13 And man himself was to be at peace with all nature. 09:18 God said, See, I have given you every herb that yields seed, 09:22 which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose 09:24 fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 09:28 No slaughter houses, no need of slaying the animals to live. 09:31 God gave man a wonderful vegetarian diet. 09:35 And the face of nature was all different. 09:37 It says here in Chapter 2:5, ... the Lord God had not caused 09:45 it to rain on the earth... 09:46 ...But a mist went up from the earth, and watered the whole 09:49 face of the ground. 09:50 Just a gentle dew every morning! 09:52 And so it was a wonderful world that God had made. 09:56 And as He looked upon it He was able to say that everything 09:59 was good. 10:03 Now it rather surprises me that there are many Christians who 10:08 profess to believe the theory of evolution rather than the 10:12 story of creation. 10:13 I really don't think they should, you know, because Jesus 10:16 Christ, the author of the Christian religion, came out 10:19 very strongly on the side of creation. 10:22 He certainly was no evolutionist. 10:23 He said here in Mark 10:6, these are the words of Jesus, 10:28 From the beginning of the creation God made them male 10:33 and female. 10:34 There's no question about it. 10:35 Jesus Christ upheld the wonderful origin of man 10:40 as told in the creation story. 10:42 And, of course, Jesus Christ ought to know because He really 10:45 was the creator. 10:47 I'm reading in Colossians 1:16 where it says, For by him all 10:53 things were created that are in heaven, and that are on earth, 10:57 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist. 11:02 So he is both the creator and the upholder 11:05 of the entire universe. 11:07 But it is true something went wrong with this wonderful world. 11:12 You see these thistles here? 11:15 Sometimes the flowers on thistles look very beautiful, 11:17 but I'll tell you, you grab a thistle and it hurts. 11:21 Something went wrong, you see. 11:23 It was because man sinned that this curse came upon the world. 11:28 We've got the thorns, and the thistles, and all the other 11:30 unpleasant things in world. 11:32 In fact a second great curse came on the world as recorded in 11:37 Genesis 6:5 where it says that, Then the Lord saw that the 11:42 wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent 11:46 of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 11:49 Man just went continually down hill, you see. 11:51 So the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the 11:56 face of the earth; both man, and beast... 11:58 This world just became so terribly wicked God couldn't do 12:01 anything further with it, and so He said, I just have to 12:04 wipe it all out. 12:05 And so God said to Noah verse 14, Make yourself an ark 12:09 of gopher wood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside 12:13 and outside with pitch. 12:15 Would you like to know what that ark looked like? 12:19 Charles Ward is an engineering draftsman who has given a lot of 12:23 intensive study to the instructions that were given to 12:27 Noah on the building of his ark. 12:29 He has here a very beautiful model of what he thinks that ark 12:33 must have looked like. 12:34 Charles, can you tell us, first of all, what were the 12:36 dimensions of Noah's ark? 12:37 It was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, 12:42 and 30 cubits deep. 12:44 A cubit being about elbow to fingertip. 12:47 Well, that means that this vessel must have been about 12:51 150 meters in length. 12:53 That's an enormous length, isn't it? 12:54 I suppose there are vessels that size in existence today, 12:59 in fact even bigger. 13:01 But it was remarkable that there should have been a vessel that 13:03 size so long ago. 13:05 Charles, what about this window, or gap on top here? 13:08 I mean, forty days and forty nights of rain; a lot of water 13:11 must have poured in there. 13:13 Have you got any ideas as just to how this 13:14 could have been coped with? 13:15 Well, most people when they draw a model of the ark, 13:19 or make a model, put a window in the end; a square window. 13:22 But it never would have been sufficient. 13:24 It would never have given enough light, or enough ventilation. 13:27 So I've made my model in that way. 13:29 I have got laid out in this fashion that I have 13:34 the gap in the top. 13:35 It does say that the windows should be above, and finished 13:40 in a cube, but not a cube that's square. 13:42 So I've made a cubit wide running all the way down 13:45 the canopy. 13:46 Of course I've got gaps in these decks too so the light can get 13:50 right down to the bottom, and the stale air can get out. 13:53 I've got water troughs running all the way down the ark 13:56 so as it rocks, and it rains, water can fall down into 14:00 those troughs. 14:02 Does this device illustrate that? 14:03 Well, this here is a type of a pump. 14:07 I'd never seen one of these before in my life, but the idea 14:11 came to me while I was working on this project. 14:13 It has a system of channels, and as you just rock it gently 14:18 back and forth it will lift up all of the fluid and 14:21 spill it out the side. 14:22 Perhaps they had a couple of those in Noah's ark; 14:24 one at each end. 14:26 Of course we can't be positive of that, but still it's a 14:28 possible suggestion, isn't it? 14:30 Now what do you think about the animals? 14:32 There must have been a lot of animals there. 14:34 Have you got any idea about the cubit capacity? 14:36 I notice on your diagram, and in this, 14:38 it had three decks, right? 14:40 Yes. 14:41 So have you got any idea about the cubic capacity, or the floor 14:44 capacity of this vessel? 14:47 Yes, the average animal would have been about the size of a 14:51 small dog, and it would have had about the size of about this 14:55 table for each small dog, or two tables for two dogs. 15:03 Two mice would have had about the size of a shoe box. 15:08 Two elephants about the size of the average front yard. 15:11 So you reckon they could all fit in here? 15:14 Yes, there's no doubt about it. 15:16 It was plenty of space to spare. 15:17 I believe that this section would be the habitable part 15:21 of the ark, and the ends could have been used for the storage 15:24 of food. 15:25 Now, they all had to eat. 15:27 Yes. 15:28 Do you think that Noah could have gathered enough food 15:30 and stored it here for the time that they were in the ark? 15:33 Have you done any figures on this? 15:34 Yes, I have, and there would have been more than three times 15:36 as much capacity in the ends for the amount of time that they 15:39 were in the ark. 15:41 Well, the Biblical record said that there was a flood, 15:44 and it was a big one. 15:45 In Genesis 7:19 it says, And the waters prevailed exceedingly 15:51 on the earth; and all the high hills under the whole heaven 15:55 were covered. 15:56 Now I don't imagine that the hills and mountains were as high 16:01 as they are today because mountains like Everest, 16:04 Kench, and Younger, and so forth, indicate that they were 16:07 faulted; they were pushed upwards. 16:09 So before the flood they could have just been rolling hills, 16:13 but according to the Biblical record the whole earth was 16:16 submerged beneath the waters of the flood. 16:18 That changed the whole surface of the earth. 16:21 It also meant that fossils were locked in, and that means 16:25 creatures, shellfish, and animals were buried 16:30 under the slushy waters and mud, and they were locked in there 16:34 and so preserved. 16:35 We find the fossils today. 16:37 Now what evidence is there that we can find to support this from 16:41 an archeological point of view? 16:43 A very interesting bit of evidence, let me tell you. 16:46 In 1872 George Smith was translating tablets in the 16:53 British Museum, a keen young fellow who'd learned to read the 16:56 cuneiform script, and one day he was translating tablets there 17:02 from Nineveh. 17:03 He found a tablet that just sounded like the flood story. 17:08 He read the translation to a group of scientists. 17:15 That got into the newspapers and it created such a sensation 17:19 that the Daily Telegraph came and offered him a thousand 17:23 pounds if he'd go out and find the rest of the tablets because 17:27 he had only one broken piece. 17:29 Well, George Smith wasn't about to turn down an offer like that, 17:32 even though it seemed like looking for 17:34 a needle in a haystack. 17:36 Out he went to Nineveh. 17:37 Would you believe it? one week later he found another 17:41 ten segments of this tablet; eleven altogether. 17:44 They're in the British Museum today. 17:45 They are known as the Gilgamesh Epic. 17:49 Now, you know the story in the Bible, how there was the flood, 17:53 and only eight people went in there. 17:55 All the rest were drowned and destroyed. 17:58 The whole of mankind was destroyed. 18:00 After the flood had been on the surface of the earth, 18:04 the waters dried up after 150 days. 18:07 Noah sent out a dove and a raven, and finally he and all 18:13 the animals left the ark. 18:14 Well, in the translation of the Gilgamesh epic we find virtually 18:19 the same story. 18:21 I'll read just a few snatches of it, shall I? 18:24 Gilgamesh I will reveal unto thee a hidden, and a secret 18:28 of the gods will I tell thee. 18:30 Surepak, a city that thou knowest and which now lies in 18:34 ruins on the bank of the Euphrates. 18:35 When that city was old and there were yet gods within it, 18:39 the great gods decided to bring on a deluge. 18:42 Lord of Shurapak, Son of Eubo Tattoo, destroy thy house 18:47 and build a vessel. 18:49 Abandoning riches, do thou seek out living kind. 18:52 Despising possessions, preserve what has life. 18:57 Thus load in the vessel the seed of all creatures. 19:01 When something of morning adorned I commanded that the 19:03 land be assembled, the boys fetching pitch. 19:06 That, of course, is just what the Bible says. 19:08 They sealed it with pitch while the stronger brought 19:11 timber materials. 19:13 I made into the vessel all my family and kindred, beasts wild 19:17 and domestic, and all of the craftsmen I made 19:19 into the vessel. 19:21 Came the set appointed time. 19:23 Who was sending the bain? 19:25 Did pour down the rain? 19:26 For six days and seven nights the wind blew, and the front of 19:30 the storm swept the land. 19:32 The whole of mankind had returned unto clay. 19:35 When I looked out again in the directions across the expanse 19:38 of the sea mountain ranges had emerged in twelve places. 19:42 On Mount Mozia the vessel had grounded. 19:45 Of course the Biblical records says Mount Ararat. 19:47 On the seventh days arriving I freed a dove. 19:51 Forth went the dove, but came back to me. 19:53 Then I set forth a swallow and did release him. 19:57 Forth went the swallow, but came back to me. 19:59 So I set free a raven and did release him. 20:02 Forth went the raven and he saw again the natural flowing 20:05 of the waters. 20:07 He ate, flew about, and he croaked and came not returning. 20:09 I poured a libation and scattered a food offering. 20:14 The gods smelled the savor. 20:15 The gods smelled the sweet savor. 20:18 Has aught of living kind escaped? 20:19 Not a man should have survived the destruction. 20:24 There's a lot of similarities between that and the 20:27 Biblical story. 20:28 Now, of course, when the scholastic world heard about 20:32 this they said, Ah ha now we know. 20:34 The Bible copied the story from the Gilgamesh Epic. 20:38 And, of course, there were those who said, Oh, No, the Gilgamesh 20:40 Epic was copied from the Bible. 20:42 I would point out that nobody copied anyone. 20:45 This seems to be a common story among all civilizations. 20:51 There was a journalist by the name of Rene Neuroburgenn who 20:56 got fascinated by this subject, and he did a lot of research. 20:59 He went to Mount Ararat a number of times, and he wrote this book 21:03 called The Ark File. 21:05 He made a point of tracing all these legends in all the 21:10 different civilizations: South America, North America, Africa, 21:15 Islands of the Sea. 21:16 He found eighty different legends in various countries 21:21 of the world, which indicates that really all mankind must 21:25 have descended from Noah and his family. 21:27 That's the only way you can account for all of 21:29 these legends. 21:30 So the evidence is that there was a dramatic destruction by 21:35 water and mud at the time of Noah's flood. 21:39 But now let's talk to some of the scientists to see what they 21:42 say about the evidences. 21:45 There are two schools of thought David. 21:47 One school of thought uses the fossils to index the dates 21:51 of the rocks. 21:52 But there's a problem with the evolutionary thought that uses 21:55 fossils as indexes to dating, and that is they tend to use 21:59 the fossils to date the rocks, and the rocks to date the 22:02 fossils, which, if I'm not mistaken, is a fairly circular 22:04 piece of reasoning. 22:06 The other school of thought, which seemed to point towards 22:10 a major cataclysm, or a series of cataclysms, 22:14 that have destroyed all living matter on the planet at some 22:17 point of time, or several occasions. 22:20 I, personally, am fully persuaded from the evidence 22:23 that I see on this earth, and from the little bit of 22:25 evidence I've picked up in fossils, and from reading 22:28 the story of nature, that there've been some massive 22:30 cataclysms on this earth, and they fit in extremely well with 22:35 the idea that there was a massive flood that destroyed all 22:38 living matter on the planet, and it fits in with the story 22:42 of Genesis. 22:43 The cell is not put together haphazardly. 22:45 Each cell is composed of it's various parts, which are a very 22:49 important function of that cell. 22:52 First of all, in the nucleus you have the DNA molecules 22:55 which bares the inheritable characteristics for 22:58 that organism. 23:00 Each cell of the body has that code, that genetic code, 23:04 as we call it, designed to produce a whole organism. 23:10 You can't have one part without the other. 23:14 Remember it's what lies next to the other part that's important. 23:19 It's put together in a designed way. 23:23 This, I believe, is the greatest aspect of biology that nobody 23:30 can deny, to prove that there is a designer behind it all. 23:34 How could it come about by chance? 23:56 Fred, could you tell us in simple language just how this 23:58 radio dating works? 24:00 Well, David, I think most people know that green plants take 24:06 carbon dioxide from the air, from which they 24:09 manufacture food. 24:10 Now the food manufactured by plants is the basis of all 24:15 animal nutrition. 24:17 Now in the carbon dioxide in the air there is a certain amount 24:22 of carbon 14, which is a radioactive form of carbon. 24:26 99% of all carbon is carbon 12, but this carbon 14, 24:32 which is radio active, disintegrates at 24:34 a measured rate. 24:36 Now if we take a piece of a leaf from a tree and it dies, 24:42 then immediately the carbon 14 intake ceases. 24:46 The amount is fixed, and from then on becomes less and less. 24:51 If we now examine a piece of this tissue, that is after a 24:56 lapse of time, and measure the amount of carbon 14 left in it, 25:00 we can get some sort an idea of the time lapse since 25:05 that leaf died. 25:07 Now that's really the basis of carbon dating. 25:10 Does it really work? 25:12 Have dates been deduced from this accurately? 25:16 Well, no method of dating is more accurate than 25:20 its basic assumptions. 25:22 Now there are two basic assumptions in carbon dating. 25:25 One being that the amount of radio carbon in the atmosphere 25:28 has been constant over long, long periods of time. 25:32 And the second is that the rate of disintegration of carbon 14 25:36 has always been constant. 25:38 Now this is something like trying to gage the time a candle 25:43 has been burning by measuring the remaining portion of it. 25:46 You can measure the present rate of burning, and you can 25:51 make some sort of an educated guess at the original length of 25:54 the candle, and from that you could come to a fairly accurate 26:00 measure of the time the candle has been burning. 26:04 But you can never be precisely sure that that rate has always 26:08 been the same. 26:09 And has this always worked accurately as far as the results 26:14 are concerned? 26:15 Well, W. F. Libby, who was the father, and the foremost 26:21 authority on radio carbon dating maintains that the radio carbon 26:28 dates, and historical dates, over a 4,000 year period 26:32 coordinate fairly well. 26:34 So I think within that range we can be fairly confident of 26:41 carbon dates, but there are some anomalies that 26:46 take some explaining. 26:48 For instance, there were water snails, living water snails, 26:53 whose shells dated at 27,000 years old. 26:57 There was a mammoth found in the frozen tundra; 27:04 his hair happened to be 26,000 years old, but the peat was only 27:13 5,600 years old. 27:15 So there are contradictions, eye? 27:17 There are these problems, which make it difficult to accept 27:21 without some reservations the carbon dates. 27:27 Have there been examples that you know of where the scientists 27:31 have made mistakes? 27:32 Well sure, I mean you go back into history and you find that 27:37 at one time we had what was known as the floodistic theory 27:41 of burning. 27:44 Now that, of course, has been proved to be entirely false. 27:48 There are other mistakes that have been made. 27:55 And then, of course, there's human pride and ambition 27:59 which comes in with a desire to achieve fame. 28:04 You must know of the Piltdown man, which proved to be 28:11 an entire hoax. 28:12 Somebody who wanted to be famous in finding a missing link. 28:16 And then there was the Nebraska Man who was fashioned 28:21 from a tooth. 28:24 Just a tooth? 28:25 Just a tooth. 28:27 But it later was proved that that tooth was 28:29 the tooth of a pig. 28:31 Oh, ha ha. 28:32 Then there was the Java Man. 28:34 There was a Eugene Du Boise who found the top of a skull, 28:39 and a thigh bone from which were fashioned the Java Man. 28:46 And now the Java Man appeared in all the school textbooks as 28:49 a kind of an apelike ancestor of man. 28:53 But it was shown later on, revealed, that Du Boise had also 28:59 found obviously human skulls in the same sedimentary 29:03 deposits, and he could have just as well associated the human 29:07 skull with the thigh bone, and had a modern man in place of an 29:11 ape like ancestor. 29:13 Now I'll tell you something very interesting about 29:16 that word created. 29:17 Where it is used in Genesis 1:1 the Hebrew word from which it is 29:23 translated is the Hebrew word bar rah. 29:25 Now there's another place where that word is used, and that is 29:31 in Isaiah 65:17 where God says, Behold, I create new heavens 29:39 and a new earth:... 29:40 And so that same word. 29:43 It's an act of creation. 29:44 Now this is not just manufacturing something out of 29:47 something else. 29:48 It's not a case of making; it's a case of creating. 29:51 It's a divine act. 29:52 So at the end of time God is going to re-create this world. 29:58 Marvelous! 30:00 More beautiful, more wonderful, than ever 30:02 it was in the beginning. 30:03 And what a beautiful place to live! 30:05 But I'll tell you this too, that same word, bar rah, 30:10 is also used in Psalms 51:10 where it says, Create in me a 30:18 clean heart, O God; and renew a steadfast spirit within me. 30:23 Now this act of creating in us a new heart is just as much 30:28 a divine act as bringing the world into existence. 30:31 And we need it! 30:32 You see, we're so sinful. 30:34 We make so many mistakes. 30:35 So we need to be re-created so we don't do anything 30:39 wrong anymore. 30:40 So God has promised that He will re-create us as we were 30:45 in the beginning. 30:47 This is a promise that has been fulfilled through Jesus Christ, 30:51 who came to this world and died for us so that 30:53 our sins could be forgiven. 30:55 But to do more than that; re-create us so that we will be 30:59 fit to live in this beautiful world, and live forever. 31:03 We could do with a new earth, couldn't we? 31:06 There are some wonderful things in this world, but the Bible 31:11 says, Eye has not seen, and ear has not heard what God has 31:15 prepared for those who love him. 31:17 How would you like to climb Mount Sinai where God spoke 31:21 the Ten Commandments to Moses? 31:23 Sounds pretty strenuous. 31:25 Well, it's too strenuous, and too hot for me, 31:28 but that's where David and the crew will be 31:29 in our next program. 31:31 Do join us then. |
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