Heavenly Father,
Lord as we begin this
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journey into what can
be a difficult subject
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for people, we are asking
you to send us your light,
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we are asking you to
help us see the love of Jesus
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on the cross Calvary. Help
us to understand Lord why there
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is a place called hell
and what is its purpose
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we ask that you
open our eyes and ears
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that you might write precious
lesson on our hearts and minds
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tonight this we
pray in Jesus name amen.
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Robert's father had a very bad
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habit. Everytime
Robert did something wrong
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he would grab him by
the neck, throw him on the
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couch, and begin to lecture
him and he would say son,
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if you don't stop doing
bad things, if you don't
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stop committing
these sins one day the all
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mighty God is going to get
a hold of you and when he does
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he is going to burn you
and roast you and toast you
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in the
ceaseless ages of eternity
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of course little Robert
would cower back in fear
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at the thought of a God doing
such a thing but as the years
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went by this was the method
of discipline his father used
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over and over again. Eventually
Robert became a young man
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and he did things very
embarassing to his father
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and to his father church so
again his dad grabed him by the
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neck throw him do on the same
couch and he now son I don't how
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to get through to you I've
told you over and over again
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if you keep going these thing
God is gonna get a hold of you
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and when he does he going to
burn you he going to roast you
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and toast you through
all the ceaseless ages of
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eternity is that what
you want? At that point
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Robert couldn't take it. He
had that shoved down his throat
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all throughout his childhood
so he jumped off the seat
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and got in his fathers face
and said dad let me tell you
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something if that is the kind of
God you serve, I want nothing to
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do with him, I hate a
god like that, I hate him
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and he walked
out the door that man
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went on to college
and university he had
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an intelligent and keen
mind and eventualy he became
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one of the world's
foremost athiest. His name
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was Rober
Ingersall a man who dedicated
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his life to defying the
existence of God through
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lectures and writing of
books largely influenced
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by this doctrine
of a forever burning
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hell. The truth is
many people use the idea of
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hell to threaten unbelievers
and get their children
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to do what is right in fact
there are churches today every
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year who give all kinds
of plays and dramatizations
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that depict the suffering and
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unutterable anguish of
someone riding in the fires
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of hell and then after they give
a call to accept Jesus Christ
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as your savior.
But folks the truth is
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that is a very poor line of
reasoning to use with anyone
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because it teaches
people to serve God out of fear
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instead of serving him out of
love. To give your life to him
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because you are afraid of
somehting or want to avoid
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something instead of looking at
what Christ has done on cross of
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calvary and responding to his
love and to His mercy those are
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two different things. One looks
at God as loving character the
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other looks at God as
some sore of diabolical being
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and see the reason this
subject is important is hell
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has become one of the most
twisted, abused, and misused
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doctrines in the entire
christian church as a result
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the character of
God has been marred and
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stained. So it is very important
that we open up the Bible
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and we let the Bible
speak for itself not tainted
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by the tradition of middle
ages. So as we go into this
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there is one question we have
to answer to begin with. #1 What
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kind of God do we serve, a
loving God who wants to save us
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or a cruel God who is
eager to send us to hell which
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one do you think.
A loving God in fact
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notice what it says in 2nd
Peter chapter 3 verse 9 because
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before we understand this
subject we must know what is
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God's attitude towards
hell and the towards the wicked.
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The Bible says, The
Lord is not slack concerning
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His promise, as
some count slackness, but
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is longsuffering toward us,(now
what is a another word for
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longsuffering? patient
toward us) not willing that
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any should perish but that
all should come to repentance
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Notice, the Bible
tells us, God does not
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want to see anyone lost
or perish unnecessarily.
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He is not eager to
see people eternally
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separated from Him. Can
you say amen? In fact it says
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He is eager that all
should come to repentance.
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Now not everyone will come
to repentance we have a free
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choice. But it is very clear
God is not up in heaven, in
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partnership with the devil
looking down into the chasm of
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the earth saying hey devil I
got another one for ya have fun
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with him. That is not the
way God works. He is not looking
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to keep us out of heaven he is
not even looking to send us to
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hell he is woring to save
us so we need to understand
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what God's attitude is
first. Now to go even farther,
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we also need to know
how the word hell is used
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in the Bible because this
is important. Everytime you see
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word hell in the Bible,
it is not always talking
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about the place of burning
we think of. For example,
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42 times in the Bible the
english word hell is translated
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from thw word sheol
or hades which simply
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means the grave 11 times it is
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translated as
gehenna which means
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the place of burning we normally
think of. And one time it refers
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to a place of darkness,so if
I see the word hell in the Bible
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and in the context it
is talking about the grave,
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but I think its talking about
the place of burning I'm going
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to come to a misinterpretation
so it is important to read the
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context The
verses before and after.
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and it well be very clear
whether it refers to grave or
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the actual place of
burning so for this subject
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tonight there is really
only three questions that
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we need to be able to
answer Question 1 when
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hell-fire burn? Question 2
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Where does
hell-fire burn? And question 3
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How long does
hell-fire burn? If we can
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answer those three questions,
then we will have a very clear
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understanding of this subject
and I am happy to tell you, the
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Bible answers all three
of them in a very clear and
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powerful way. Can you
say amen? so lets start
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with question 1. When does
hellfire burn? Is it burning
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right now, does it burn at
the end of the world, or does it
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burn some other time? So
here what we are going, were are
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going to let Jesus himself
answer that first question
becasue there is no one I trust
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more than Jesus, amen? So take
your Bible and I want you to
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go to Matthew chapter 13 and
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Jesus will clear this
up with one simple parable
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Matthew chapter 13 and verse
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24 Now while you
are looking this up
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This is known as the
parable of the taress
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or simply weeds, those nasty
thing tha now of us want in our
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garden So here is what were are
going to do, I'm going to
sumerize the parable
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Jesus told, and
then in verses 36-42
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Jesus will give word for word
the interpretation of what it
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means. so here is the story
I'm going to sumerize it. Jesus
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the story of is a
farmer who has a field
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and in his field he
plants good seeds or good crops
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but during the night an
enemy sneaks in and plants
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taress or weeds there and
they grow up and start choking
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the good crops. Well the
servants of the farmer say to
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him Sir did you not plant good
seeds in your field? Then where
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did these weeds come
from and the farmer says, an
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enemy has done this
and the servants say
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do you want us go into
the field and to pull out of
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hese taress these weeds?
And the farmer the master
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says dont do that because
by doing so you'll trample upon
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and destroy the good
seed. Wait until the harvest
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which is the end of the
growing season at that time
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we will separate the good seed
from the bad seed and we will
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bind the taress in
bundles, and throw them into the
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furnace of fire. That is
the story that Jesus tells.
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Later that same
day the disciples come
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and specifically
ask him what does that
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mean? Let's pick it up in
verse 36 now, I'm going let read
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Jesus
interpretation. The Bible says
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Then Jesus sent
the multitude away,
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and went into the house: and his
disciples came unto Him saying
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Explain to us the
parable of the tares of the
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field." Now litsen
vesrse 37. He answered
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and said to
them: "He who sows the
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good seed is
(who?) the Son of Man.
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The field is the world, the
good seeds are the sons of the
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kingdom, but the tares are
the sons of the wicked one.
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The enemy who sowed them
is the devil, the harvest
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the harvest is the end of the
(what?) age (or some version say
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in of the world?) and
the reapers are the angels.
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now notice verse 40
it is very clear Therfore
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as the tares are
gathered and burned in the fire,
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so it will be at
the end of this age.
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The Son of Man will send out His
angels, and they will gather out
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of His kingdom all things that
offend, and those who practice
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lawlessness, and will cast
them into the furnace of fire
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There will be
wailing and gnashing
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of teeth. Did you
catch what Jesus just said?
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He said just as at
the end of growing season
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during the harvest the farmer
separates the good from the bad
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and throws bad seed or
the tares into the fire
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Jesus says that is what it is
going to be like at the end of
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the world when the angles
separate the good from the bad
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and the wicked thrown into
the furnace of fire where is
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weeping and
gnashing of teeth. So
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let me ask you a question.
According to what Jesus just
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said when does
hellfire burn at the end
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of world that is
not my opinion not
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your apinion that is not a
denomination interpretation
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that is clearly what Jesus
said. It burns at the end of
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the age, which is
the end of the world
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now, just knowing that
Jesus can clear that up and
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in one simple story,
let me ask you something,
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do you think that we should
find that in other places of the
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Bible too? absolutely Lets go to
somthing that Peter wrote, now I
got this printed on the screen
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In 2nd Peter chapter 2 verse 9
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Notice what is
says then the Lord knows
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how to deliver the
godly out of temptations and
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to reserve the unjust
under punishment (for when?
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When is the time of judgment,
day of judgment? that's the
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end of the world. so
Peter agrees with what Jesus
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said that whould makes sense
don't you think because ehrn
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Jesus told that parable
back in Mattew was Peter there?
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He was, Peter was
in the house he heard
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Jesus explain it so it would
makes sense that Peter would
says the same thing
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hellfire burns at
the end of the world
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so based on what the Bible says,
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lets pose another
question how many people
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are burning in hell right now?
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Absolutely none! See tradition
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may say yes but I am
not willing to look at Jesus
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and tell Him that He is
wrong or He doesn't know what He
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alking about. You say where
did this idea come from that
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hellfire is burning
right now? The truth
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is it comes from the Middle Ages
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it comes from the tradition
and false doctrines of men that
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have existed ever since the
apostacy even during the time
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of Rome. Now I what
think through something here
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What would it be like right now
to think that people are burning
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in hell, that
maybe I have a loved one
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who for wahtever reason
chose not to follow the Lord
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and I would think that
right now they are burning
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and screaming and writhing in
all sorts of unutterable anguish
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and yet I can still
look at God as though
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He is a God of love.
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see even here on
earth we have a court system
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that says you must be tried
before a judgement as to whether
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innocent or guilty
how can God send someone
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to either heaven or hell
before the time of Judgement at
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at he end of the world when
their life has been reviewed
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if even earthly courts
do what fair most of time,
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would we not that the
God universe of the will also
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do what is fair. Can you
say amen? I mean the idea
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that if hellfire is
burning now, that would
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mean that Cain who
murder one person is burning
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thousands of years longer
than someone today murdered
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like fifty people a
mass murder That's not fair
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hellfire does not
burn until the end
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when people lives have been
reveiwed. The truth is it comes
from the middle ages
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when a false
doctrine was created
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that said if you gave indulgence
or enough money to the church
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you could but the soul of your
loved on out of purgatory and
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rescue them and unfortunately
that doctrine came into
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christianity even into
protestant churches and made it
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way into the world in
these morden centuries to where
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tradition says hell is burning
now but Jesus clearly says
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it burns at the
end of the world.
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so we've answered that question
pretty easily from the Bible.
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But we got a second
question. Where does hell
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burn? Does it burn on
this earth? Is it somewhere
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own in core in the center? Does
it burn on some other planet?
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Where does this happen?
So lets take our Bibles now
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and we're going to go to the
prophetic book of Revelation and
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Revelation can answer this
in one simple verse. Revelation
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chapter 20 verse 9 infact
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we have read this before
in this seminar Revelation
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chapter 20 and
verse 9 This is describing
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what happens at the end of
the millenum as the Holy City
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the New Jerusalem
descends from God of heaven
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Revelation 20 verse 9
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The Bible says
and they went up on
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the breadth of the earth
(this speaking of the wicked and
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satan) and they surrounded
the camp of the saints and the
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beloved city and fire came
down from God out of heaven
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and (did what?) devoured them.
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where is this seen
taking place at? On the earth!
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and when you think
about it, where has sin been
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for the last 6000
years? On this earth!
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Where has been all the pain
all the suffering and all the
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heartache? Where has the entire
great controversy between Chtist
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and Satan been
taking place? Right here
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on this Planet. So
clearly the Bible is telling us,
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hellfire burns on this earth and
I mean that makes sense becasue
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if God is gonna create a
new heaven and new earth,
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hellfire is going to purify
the old sinful earth so that God
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make a new one.
can you say amen?
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in fact you known manytimes
it you were to ask someone well
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where is hell? The traditional
repsonce is where if you had
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point? If tradition was to point
were is hell, which way would it
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point? Down! but
you notice in this verse
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Where does hellfire
come from? I come from up!
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it is not down yonder, up yonder
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it comes down from God
out of heaven and destroys
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Satan, destroy the
wicked, destroy sin and
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purifies this earth
so rightness can dwell
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again.See that is actually
the good news about hell
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I mean it is sad to
think that there will be people
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who will be
destroyed people who will be
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blotted out of existence and
that is gonna break God's heart
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but the good news
is, hell is what ushers
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in the perfect world again. Hell
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is what ushers in a
sence, the garden of Eden anew
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Where God creates a new earth
where is no more death there is
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sorrow etc. Infact
Peter writes about this
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In 2nd Peter 3:7,
notice something he said here
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Now I got to
pause on something there
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Do you Know there is
somthing in that verse in that
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only our generation has
been able to understand.
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there is something in that
verse that previous generations
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have not been able to
comprehend. You know what it is?
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Think about this we understand
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why the earth
has to be destroyed
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by fire but notice it says
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the heavens and the earth
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why the do the
heavens have to be Destroyed?
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Now understand,that is not
capital H heaven talking about w
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here God dwells. That it is
talking about the firmament the
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atmosphere of the above
the earth. Why does God have to
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destroy that? Previous
generation did understand that.
But I want you think about
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something it is only been in our
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lifetime lets say
the last 100 years that
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man has taken sin
beyond this planet.
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It has only been in the
last 100 years that man walked
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on the moon, that man
has sent his Space Shuttle
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and his Space Stations
out into the atmosphere, that
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man has placed hundred
maybe even thousands of this
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satellites up there in firmament
up there in the atmosphere
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and those are the
satellites that beam down
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all the filth, all the garbage,
all the trash, that goes
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into our TVs and into
our computers into our
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iPhone into any
wireless device we have
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it goes all the way up into the
heavens and then bring all that
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stuff down,in our
homes, in our offices, maybe
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sometimes eve in our churches.
Things that destroy homes
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that destroy
marriages, that destroy family
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and for that reason God also has
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to destroy the heavens or
the atmosphere that is above the
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earth becasue man
has taken sin there.
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Now I believe God has put
a limit on how far we can go
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I don't believe that man ever
going to able to live or be
civilized on another planet
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I don't belive that God is
going to allow that because has
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already messed up the firmament
and the atmosphere in addition
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this earth. But
see the good news
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is in verse 13,
because then Peter reminds us
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do you unterstands what
that means? That means no more
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will I have ever to read about a
child being caught in the cross
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fire of a drug
deal gone wrong, no more
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will I ever have read
about some thug beating
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a lady to get to get a few
dollars out of her pocketbook to
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support his drug habit,
never more will I have to go to
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another funeral. Can you say
amen? Nevermore will have to see
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commercials about millions
of children straving to death
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in Africa, nevermore
will I have read about
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about a terrorist flying a
plane into a building somewhere
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nevermore will have to
read about mommy and daddy
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screaming at each
other and children and
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spouses be abused. Why? Because
the new earth is going to be
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a place where righteousness
dwells it is going to be the
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place of perfection place
where Jesus righteousness shines
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brightly and
where love rains supreme
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and it is all possible becasue
of what Jesus Christ has done
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for you and me if you and I
there in the New Earth is not
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going be because of out good
works, it's not going to be
because we made very
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choose perfected, when we are
there it will be because Jesus
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layed His life down on
Calvery, that He was willing
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carry His cross to
Golgotha and He was willing to
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give us His rightness so
that you and I can be saved. The
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reason that we victory over sin,
the reason I can look forward to
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these New Heaven and New earth,
is only because of Jesus and
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His victory over sin so
tonight we ought to praise His
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Name. One day sin will
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be gone forever.
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now in that quick span of time,
we just answered the first two
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questions when does
hellfire burns, and where does
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hellfire burns and the
Bible has been very clear
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But now comes the third question
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How long does
hellfire burn burn?
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and this is the
part where sometimes
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we get tripped up.
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The Bible does not say
exactly how long hellfire
00:24:41.98\00:24:45.98
will burn, but you'll
find that as we look up
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a number of these
verses we can confidently stand
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up here tonight
and make this statement
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according to the
Bible and the Bible alone,
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hellfire
definitely does not burn
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through the ceaseless
ages of eternity and God will
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not torture people to no
end. Yes there is a hell,
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and yes God will use to
rid of Satan, and sin, and
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the wicked, but He is not
going to torture people in agony
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to no end, at some
point it will go out.
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You may think well Pastor Dave,
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you realize what you
said goes against the majority
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of the religious
world. Yes I do realize that.
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but truth is you've figured
out by now, I'm really not that
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interested in what the majority
thinks. And I'm really not
interestd and neither are you
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with the traditons of men come
from the apostasy of the middle
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ages the only thing we are
concerned about is what does the
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Bible says and what it
says about the character of God.
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so here is what we're going
to do. We'll go through some
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bible verses that usually
we just read on the surface
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and we miss the deeper meanings
of then, before I go there I
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want to share three logical
reasons why hellfire must come
00:26:10.13\00:26:14.14
to an end. Let's just think that
through, now not everything is
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answered by logic but if we
think this through it makes a
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lot of sense according
to the Bible. Reason #1
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how many people are will say
yes I believe there will be a
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New Heaven and New Earth? Can
I see your hand, I think almost
00:26:30.19\00:26:34.16
everybody agrees with that. Well
if the Bible says God creates
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new heavens and a
new earth, how can
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he do that if hellfire
is burning on this earth
00:26:42.16\00:26:46.17
for eternity.
Think about that. If the
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Holy City descends from God
out of heaven and comes down
00:26:50.17\00:26:54.18
to the new earth, where
righteousness is supposed to
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dwell how can that happen
if this earth is going be one
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ball of fire thorughout eternity
and how could rigtoeusness dwell
00:27:02.18\00:27:06.22
here if hell lasts
forever? That's very
00:27:06.22\00:27:10.23
simple and logical question see
the fact that there will be a
00:27:10.23\00:27:14.20
new earth tells us
thar hellfire must end
00:27:14.20\00:27:18.20
at some point. Infact to
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illustrate this,
let me ask you something
00:27:22.20\00:27:26.21
sometimes poeple have said well
you know what is going happen
00:27:26.21\00:27:30.25
the new Jerusalem will be here
on this earth and we will be
able to look through
00:27:30.25\00:27:34.25
the gates of the city and
somewhere over on the earth
00:27:34.25\00:27:38.25
we'll be able to see the wicked
writhing in pain and burning
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in hell and that will remind
us that sin is coming to an end.
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Folks I have to be
very blatantly honest
00:27:46.26\00:27:50.23
I find nothing more
sickening than that kind of
00:27:50.23\00:27:54.24
theology, because
think about what that saying.
00:27:54.24\00:27:58.27
are we saying
that I can be in the
00:27:58.27\00:28:02.24
Kingdom of Heaven
that I going to look out
00:28:02.24\00:28:06.25
he gates of that
city every day and
00:28:06.25\00:28:10.29
I'm going to watch
people, maybe someone I know,
00:28:10.29\00:28:14.29
maybe a child, God forbid that
didn't chose to follow Jesus
00:28:14.29\00:28:18.29
and I'm going to look out and
I'm going to watch them scream
00:28:18.29\00:28:22.26
and writhe and cry
out in pain and anguish
00:28:22.26\00:28:26.30
while God turns a
deaf ear for all eternity
00:28:26.30\00:28:30.27
and then I'm going be
able look at throne and say God
00:28:30.27\00:28:34.31
is love. Nothing blasphemes the
00:28:34.31\00:28:38.31
character of God more than
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that. The fact that
there is a new earth
00:28:42.32\00:28:46.32
tells us that one day
hellfire is goign to go out.
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Logical Reason #2
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D we all agree that God is fair
and just God? What do you think?
00:28:54.30\00:28:58.33
We all agree with that God is
fair God is just, I think very
denomination agrees
00:28:58.33\00:29:02.34
with that. Would
it be fair and Just
00:29:02.34\00:29:06.34
for God to take a
person who is a sinner
00:29:06.34\00:29:10.35
ets say 70-80 years of
there life that the average life
00:29:10.35\00:29:14.35
today and for 70-80
years of sin and life, and
00:29:14.35\00:29:18.39
burn them for all of eternity?
00:29:18.39\00:29:22.39
Does that seem
fair? In fact to help us
00:29:22.39\00:29:26.39
comprehend this let me
give you a little analogy
00:29:26.39\00:29:30.37
as to how long eternity
is. I want you to picture
00:29:30.37\00:29:34.37
a seagull, lets say we
have a seagull here in Missouri
00:29:34.37\00:29:38.41
and we'll send that seagullall
the way to the east coast
00:29:38.41\00:29:42.38
that seagull picks up one
grain of sand, flies all the way
00:29:42.38\00:29:46.41
across the country to the west
coast and drops that drops the
00:29:46.41\00:29:50.42
grain od sand, and then flies
all the way back to the east
00:29:50.42\00:29:54.42
coast picks up another
grain of sand and flies it all
00:29:54.42\00:29:58.43
all the way back to the west
coast. How long do you think it
00:29:58.43\00:30:02.40
will take that seagull before he
empties every grain of sand on
00:30:02.40\00:30:06.40
the and drops it off at west
coast. How long do you think
00:30:06.40\00:30:10.44
that would take? A
long time, do you realize
00:30:10.44\00:30:14.44
by the time the
seagull accomplish that will
00:30:14.44\00:30:18.45
that will be only the
first second of eternity.
00:30:18.45\00:30:22.45
Are we really willing to say
00:30:22.45\00:30:26.45
that God is going to
burn and torture people
00:30:26.45\00:30:30.46
for millions and billions
00:30:30.46\00:30:34.46
and trillions and quadrillions
00:30:34.46\00:30:38.47
and quintillion and
sectrillion and octillion
00:30:38.47\00:30:42.97
of years I don't know
what comes after octillion
00:30:42.97\00:30:47.01
are we really
willing to say that
00:30:47.01\00:30:51.01
the God who gave
his life on Calvery. x
00:30:51.01\00:30:55.02
is the God who gave
his about God's character
00:30:55.02\00:30:59.02
that would make Him
look worse than hitler.
00:30:59.02\00:31:03.06
That would make Him
look worse than devil himself
00:31:03.06\00:31:07.10
because then the devil's
accusations would true, that
00:31:07.10\00:31:11.07
Lucifer in in heaven God is not
fair God is not just God is not
00:31:11.07\00:31:15.07
love. Jesus Christ died on
the cross and when to the grave
00:31:15.07\00:31:19.11
so that you I could be saved
00:31:19.11\00:31:23.14
Yes He'll get rid
of sin through hell,
00:31:23.14\00:31:27.15
but he is not interested in
torturing people. Now how many
00:31:27.15\00:31:31.19
of you let's think about this
way, let's use a personal
application how many of you have
00:31:31.19\00:31:35.16
ever burned yourself before in
your life? Can I see your hands.
00:31:35.16\00:31:39.23
Ok most people, know how did
that feel? It hurt, how much?
00:31:39.23\00:31:43.23
Alot! In fact when
you bruned your self
00:31:43.23\00:31:47.27
depending how bad it was it does
it stop hurting the minute you
00:31:47.27\00:31:51.31
take your hand out of
the fire? Oh no that throb
00:31:51.31\00:31:55.34
in pain for days or weeks
afterwards depending on how
00:31:55.34\00:31:59.35
severe it is, in fact
you can do permannet damage
00:31:59.35\00:32:03.39
just have your hand in a fire
or on a stove jest for couple
00:32:03.39\00:32:07.42
seconds. I remember when
I was a kid growing up in
00:32:07.42\00:32:11.46
York, Pennsylvania I don't know
if anybody York, Pennsylvania
will ever watch videos
00:32:11.46\00:32:15.46
But in York Pennsylvania they
make a huge deal about the 4th
00:32:15.46\00:32:19.50
of July you go
down to the fair grounds
00:32:19.50\00:32:23.51
they have the symphony orchestra
playing patriotic music
00:32:23.51\00:32:27.51
and you sit in the grand stand
while fireworks or go off at the
00:32:27.51\00:32:31.51
same time it is really quite a
show I use to love that as a kid
00:32:31.51\00:32:35.52
but you know on the 4th that
we didn't go to the fair ground,
00:32:35.52\00:32:39.52
I grew up in the inner city
00:32:39.52\00:32:43.53
and just across the alley was
a guy who go out and buy his own
00:32:43.53\00:32:47.50
fireworks buy his own fireworks
and I'm talking about the big
00:32:47.50\00:32:51.53
stuff, stuff that
probolly illegal he would get
00:32:51.53\00:32:55.50
M80's you know all
this stuff that made a noise
00:32:55.50\00:32:59.54
shot things up in the air and I
remember thinking, boy I want to
00:32:59.54\00:33:03.55
go see that, you know I'm kid
and mother would always say to
00:33:03.55\00:33:07.55
me, your not going to go over in
that guys that stuff is iilegal
you say yard, she would never
00:33:07.55\00:33:11.55
let me go, so you
know what I stuck doing?
00:33:11.55\00:33:15.56
what is the only thing
that illegal? Sparklers!
00:33:15.56\00:33:19.56
so while all my friends watching
the assume fireworks, I got to
00:33:19.56\00:33:23.53
stayed n my yard and do
around a bunch a sparklers
00:33:23.53\00:33:27.54
I remember held that in my hand
and I wasn't paying attention
00:33:27.54\00:33:31.57
that thing burned down
all the way to my finder
00:33:31.57\00:33:35.58
I tell you might be just
a sparklers but that hurt, I
00:33:35.58\00:33:39.55
dropped hat sparklers ran into
the house and I put finder under
00:33:39.55\00:33:43.59
cold water for quit awhile and
you know what even when I took
my hand away from the water
00:33:43.59\00:33:47.59
that hurt like crazy
00:33:47.59\00:33:51.59
Am I really willing to
say that God is going to
00:33:51.59\00:33:55.56
torture people
in unutterable agony
00:33:55.56\00:33:59.60
just that way? Am I willing
00:33:59.60\00:34:03.61
to say that the God who
give his life on the cross
00:34:03.61\00:34:07.61
will enjoy hearing
the cries of the wicked
00:34:07.61\00:34:11.61
through out eternity? Folks if
Jesus could be beaten and mocked
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beaten and mocked and have his
beard pulled out and be nailed
00:34:15.62\00:34:19.62
to a cross,and not
destroy his persecutors
00:34:19.62\00:34:23.63
what makes us think that he
will of suden change charter
00:34:23.63\00:34:27.60
and absolute
enjoy torturing people.
00:34:27.60\00:34:31.63
Reason #3. The Bible says man
00:34:31.63\00:34:35.60
is not naturally immortal
only those who believe in
00:34:35.60\00:34:39.64
Jesus are given Immortality
at the resurrection so
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it through. So if the
wicked burn eternity, that means
00:34:43.65\00:34:47.65
they live for eternity, The
only way you can burn forever
00:34:47.65\00:34:51.65
is if you live forever and
nowhere in the Bible are the
00:34:51.65\00:34:55.66
wicked ever promised
eternal life for eternity it
00:34:55.66\00:34:59.69
is only for those who
are saved. Those are the
00:34:59.69\00:35:03.16
three logical reasons but lets
go to something more powerful
00:35:03.16\00:35:07.17
than logic, amen? lets go to
the bible. Now I have put some
00:35:07.17\00:35:11.21
scripture on the screen here,
ones that you know very well.
00:35:11.21\00:35:15.21
Romans 6:23 is a very
popular one. Notice wht it says:
00:35:15.21\00:35:19.25
For the wages of sin is
00:35:19.25\00:35:23.28
(waht?) death
not eternal punishing
00:35:23.28\00:35:27.32
not torture death
that a final state.
00:35:27.32\00:35:31.33
but the gift of
of God is enternal
00:35:31.33\00:35:35.33
in Christ Jesus our Lord.
So you see the two options
00:35:35.33\00:35:39.27
it is eternal
life through Christ or
00:35:39.27\00:35:43.24
death the wages of sin is death.
00:35:43.24\00:35:47.31
Lets go to the most popular
verse in the Bible. Which on do
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you think that is? John
3:16 Infact I would like
00:35:51.35\00:35:55.35
read this on with me you can
participate with me on this one,
00:35:55.35\00:35:59.35
you ready do you notice
the two options there again
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you either perish,
that's a final state,
00:36:15.44\00:36:19.44
or you have
everlasting life! That is
00:36:19.44\00:36:23.51
all it's ever been
perishing or eternal life
00:36:23.51\00:36:27.52
Eeven in the old testamnet
00:36:27.52\00:36:31.55
notice what was hinted at in
the book of Psalms. Psalm 37:20
00:36:31.55\00:36:35.56
The auther says:But the wicked
00:36:35.56\00:36:39.56
shall (what?) perish;
And the enemies of the LORD,
00:36:39.56\00:36:43.57
Like the splendor of the
meadows, shall (what?) vanish.
00:36:43.57\00:36:47.60
(The King James says consume)
Into smoke they shall vanish
00:36:47.60\00:36:51.61
away. (or consume
away) Not being eternally
00:36:51.61\00:36:55.64
punished or tortured,
vanish, perish, consumed
00:36:55.64\00:36:59.68
that is a final state
00:36:59.68\00:37:03.69
but then comes the clearest
text in all the Bible on
00:37:03.69\00:37:07.72
this subject we perhaps could
have read this and gone home,
00:37:07.72\00:37:11.76
but I wanna give you more
than that. I want to going your
00:37:11.76\00:37:15.76
bibles to Malachi chapter 4
Now we have not been here yet
00:37:15.76\00:37:19.80
in the seminar Malachi
is very easy book to find
00:37:19.80\00:37:23.81
go to the book of
Matthew go one book backward
00:37:23.81\00:37:27.81
you are in Malachi, the
last book of which testment?
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the Old Testment Malachi 4
00:37:31.81\00:37:35.82
and I'm to read verses 1-3
00:37:35.82\00:37:39.82
and then were are going to
summarise what Malachi wrote
00:37:39.82\00:37:43.83
Malachi 4 and
verse 1 The Bible says,
00:37:43.83\00:37:47.83
"For behold, the
00:37:47.83\00:37:51.83
day is coming,
Burning like an oven, And
00:37:51.83\00:37:55.80
all the proud, yes,
all who do wickedly will be
00:37:55.80\00:37:59.84
(what?) stubble. And the
day which is coming shall burn
00:37:59.84\00:38:03.85
them up," Says the
LORD of hosts, "That
00:38:03.85\00:38:07.85
will leave them neither
root nor branch. Verse 2
00:38:07.85\00:38:11.85
But to you who fear My
name The Sun of Righteousness
00:38:11.85\00:38:15.86
shall arise With healing
in His wings; And you shall
00:38:15.86\00:38:19.86
go out And grow fat like
stall-fed calves. Verse 3
00:38:19.86\00:38:23.87
You shall trample the
wicked, For they shall be
00:38:23.87\00:38:27.87
ashes under the soles of
your feet On the day that I
00:38:27.87\00:38:31.84
do this," Says
the LORD of hosts.
00:38:31.84\00:38:35.88
Now let's put a little summary
here, this what Malachi just
00:38:35.88\00:38:39.85
said The wicked will be
stubble, it will burn them
00:38:39.85\00:38:43.89
up. What will be
left? neither root
00:38:43.89\00:38:47.89
nor branch. It says the
turned to ashes, in other words
00:38:47.89\00:38:51.89
they will cease to
exist. At some point
00:38:51.89\00:38:55.90
when live is snifted out of the
wicked and they are turned to
00:38:55.90\00:38:59.90
ashes and nothing is
left the fires of hell go out.
00:38:59.90\00:39:03.91
God is going to be just but also
00:39:03.91\00:39:07.91
merciful at the
same time He is loving
00:39:07.91\00:39:11.91
but He is not interested
in torturing He created
00:39:11.91\00:39:15.95
and vent people that He
died for because He died
00:39:15.95\00:39:19.95
for the wicket to, it's
just that they chose not
00:39:19.95\00:39:23.96
to accept the gift.
00:39:23.96\00:39:27.96
Wow that is so clear
Pastor Dave. It is amazing
00:39:27.96\00:39:31.93
when you put all the versesof
the Bible together, it is
00:39:31.93\00:39:35.94
unquestionable however,
00:39:35.94\00:39:39.94
there are just a
couple of verses in the Bible
00:39:39.94\00:39:43.95
that seem to confuse and
perplex people on this subject.
00:39:43.95\00:39:47.95
There are a few verses
that almost seem to say the
00:39:47.95\00:39:51.99
opposite of what we have just
studied here and so in order
00:39:51.99\00:39:55.99
to be fair we're gonna have to
cover those topics too. Is that
00:39:55.99\00:40:00.00
true? It is not fair to just
look at one side and not the
00:40:00.00\00:40:03.93
other so if I don't cover them,
someone will put it in the
question box anyway so lets
00:40:03.93\00:40:07.97
go ahead and ask the
question, what about the phrase,
00:40:07.97\00:40:11.97
it is a biblical
expression forever
00:40:11.97\00:40:15.98
and ever? Lets go to one
of these perplexing text..
00:40:15.98\00:40:19.95
Lets got to
Revelation 20 aand verse 10
00:40:19.95\00:40:24.02
and we're gonna use this as
an example of how to properly
00:40:24.02\00:40:28.02
study the Bible
Revelation chapter 20
00:40:28.02\00:40:32.03
verse 10 vent thou this
serious we're going to have
00:40:32.03\00:40:36.00
a little bit of fun
with this verse Revelation 20
00:40:36.00\00:40:40.00
verse 10 now verse 9 has
said that fire came down from
00:40:40.00\00:40:44.01
heaven and devoured
them. Then cames verse
00:40:44.01\00:40:48.01
10 that all most seems
contradictory because it says
00:40:48.01\00:40:52.05
he devil, who
deceived them, was cast
00:40:52.05\00:40:56.05
into the lake of fire
and brimstone where the beast
00:40:56.05\00:41:00.12
and the false
prophet are. And they will be
00:41:00.12\00:41:04.06
tormented day
and night (how long?)
00:41:04.06\00:41:08.03
forever and ever.
00:41:08.03\00:41:12.03
That presents a wee bit
of a problem does it not?
00:41:12.03\00:41:16.04
we can't ignore that
the fact it does say forever
00:41:16.04\00:41:20.04
and very. Doesn't it? Not like
I can take the eraser and erase
00:41:20.04\00:41:24.08
what the word of
God said, if that
00:41:24.08\00:41:28.08
is what it means that
means it has just contradicted
00:41:28.08\00:41:32.09
the rest of the Bible
that means the Bible would
00:41:32.09\00:41:36.09
not be consistant and
we couldn't trust its to be
00:41:36.09\00:41:40.10
inspiration now I'm not
willing to say that are you?
00:41:40.10\00:41:44.07
there must be
something about this frase
00:41:44.07\00:41:48.04
that we are not understanding,
here is some things that you
00:41:48.04\00:41:52.11
learn contrary to popular belief
00:41:52.11\00:41:56.11
do you know that is the
only verse int he entire
00:41:56.11\00:42:00.18
Bible that uses the
phrase forever and ever
00:42:00.18\00:42:04.12
to describe hell did you know
that. You can look from Genesis
00:42:04.12\00:42:08.12
from Revelation, that is
the only verse in the Bible that
00:42:08.12\00:42:12.13
uses that frase in conjunction
with hell fireand interestingly
00:42:12.13\00:42:16.10
enough it is in
a book in the Bible
00:42:16.10\00:42:20.14
it is a symbolic a
book that is not meant to be
00:42:20.14\00:42:24.14
taken literally. on top of that,
00:42:24.14\00:42:28.14
let me ask you a question,
00:42:28.14\00:42:32.15
do the meanings of words change
over the centuries? yes or no
00:42:32.15\00:42:36.15
yes or no they do in fact let me
give me you an example, and I'm
not trying to be funny,
00:42:36.15\00:42:40.16
and I'm not trying to be
funny, its just a good example.
00:42:40.16\00:42:44.16
If I were to read some
literature back in the
1800s,lets say the seventeenth
00:42:44.16\00:42:48.13
century that literature was
saying a certain person was gay
00:42:48.13\00:42:52.17
What would that mean?
00:42:52.17\00:42:56.14
they are jsut happy
carefree and joyfull, but if
00:42:56.14\00:43:00.24
I were reading from literature
in the 21st century today
00:43:00.24\00:43:04.15
and somone is describe as
gay. Does that mean something
00:43:04.15\00:43:08.18
different it does it refers to
different or alternate lifestyle
00:43:08.18\00:43:12.19
so if I am reading something
from literature back in the
00:43:12.19\00:43:16.19
1800s like using the word
gay but try to put today's
00:43:16.19\00:43:20.20
meaning into it. Am I going
to misinterpreted somthing?
00:43:20.20\00:43:24.20
You better belive it,
same thing here. If I try
00:43:24.20\00:43:28.20
to take our modern
meaning for ever and put it into
00:43:28.20\00:43:32.21
the first century book of
Revelation I'm going miss
undersand something
00:43:32.21\00:43:36.21
becasue the truth is the term
forever and ever is used very
00:43:36.21\00:43:40.22
loosely in the bible in fact
here is a statistic that really
00:43:40.22\00:43:44.22
helps to make some thins clear
if you got a concordance and
00:43:44.22\00:43:48.22
looked up the word forever you
would find that over 50 times
00:43:48.22\00:43:52.23
in the Bible, the
word forever is used
00:43:52.23\00:43:56.23
to describe
things that have already
00:43:56.23\00:44:00.30
ended. Did you know
that? Today we kind of use
00:44:00.30\00:44:04.24
the word and think it never
has an end but the way the bible
00:44:04.24\00:44:08.24
uses the word it very
loosely 50 times it refurs
00:44:08.24\00:44:12.25
to things that have actually
ended. Infact let me show you
00:44:12.25\00:44:16.25
one of those verse in the Bible.
It has nothing to with the
00:44:16.25\00:44:20.26
subject of hell but I want to
show you how the word forever is
used, this is back in
00:44:20.26\00:44:24.26
1st Samuel 1:22
And if you remember
00:44:24.26\00:44:28.26
when Hanna gave birth to Samuel
00:44:28.26\00:44:32.23
Hanna promised the Lord that
if You give me a child I will
00:44:32.23\00:44:36.27
decated him to the Lord he will
serve You in the temple. so now
00:44:36.27\00:44:40.28
lets pick it up here 1
Samuel 1:22 The bible says,
00:44:40.28\00:44:44.25
But Hannah did not go
up,(that means to the temple)
00:44:44.25\00:44:48.32
for she said unto her husband,
I will not go up until the
00:44:48.32\00:44:52.32
child is weaned; then I
will take him, that he may
00:44:52.32\00:44:56.32
appear before the LORD
and remain there (how long?)
00:44:56.32\00:45:00.40
forever." in other words he is
breast feeding and Hannah said
00:45:00.40\00:45:04.30
listen when he is done being
weened I'll take him up to the
temple, he work with
00:45:04.30\00:45:08.34
Eli and I'll fullfil my
vow to the Lord and she said he
00:45:08.34\00:45:12.34
was goign to be with the
Lord at the temple how long? For
00:45:12.34\00:45:16.34
forever! so if forever
alwasy means through the
00:45:16.34\00:45:20.35
ceaseless ages of eternity then
where should Samuel be right
00:45:20.35\00:45:24.35
now? He sould still
be in that temple. Is he?
00:45:24.35\00:45:28.36
No Samuel is dead. What
is the longest period of time
00:45:28.36\00:45:32.36
as long asthat Samuel can
possibly serve the Lord in the
00:45:32.36\00:45:36.33
temple? As long as he
lives and that is why He says
00:45:36.33\00:45:40.34
and when you understand
how the Bible uses word forever
00:45:48.34\00:45:53.48
that many times it means
as long as person shall lives
00:45:53.48\00:45:57.49
you take the
Bible's interpretation.
00:45:57.49\00:46:01.52
Not mine, not some
churches, not the middle ages
00:46:01.52\00:46:05.53
but the the Bible interpertation
of forever put it back .
00:46:05.53\00:46:09.50
into Revelation 20:10
and it make perfect sense
00:46:09.50\00:46:13.54
It is simply saying the wicked
will burn as long as they live
00:46:13.54\00:46:17.54
when life is snuffed out
and they are turned ashes
00:46:17.54\00:46:21.51
and when they cease
exist the fire will go out.
00:46:21.51\00:46:25.51
That is the proper way
to study the Bible put the
00:46:25.51\00:46:29.52
textes together. Don't
build a doctrine around one text
00:46:29.52\00:46:33.56
while ignoring 50 others that
are crystal clear that is why we
00:46:33.56\00:46:37.56
have so many doctriens in
the religious world in fact
00:46:37.56\00:46:41.56
did you know there
are places in the Bible
00:46:41.56\00:46:45.57
where the word forever means
an even shorter period of time
00:46:45.57\00:46:49.57
Let me show you one
so this can be more clear
00:46:49.57\00:46:53.61
In Jonah we all know of Jonah
being swallowed by the big fish
00:46:53.61\00:46:57.61
when he was in the belly of the
fish he discribed that experence
00:46:57.61\00:47:01.62
in Johan in Jonah chatper 2
verse six he gets a little bit
00:47:01.62\00:47:05.62
poetic but notice what
he says I went down to the
00:47:05.62\00:47:09.66
moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars
00:47:09.66\00:47:13.66
was about me (how long?) forever
00:47:13.66\00:47:17.63
How long was Jonah in the belly
of that fish? There days and
00:47:17.63\00:47:21.64
Three nights according to
Johan 1:17 So here is an example
00:47:21.64\00:47:25.84
forever simply means
three days. The Bible
00:47:25.84\00:47:29.88
uses the term very
loosely and the truth is
00:47:29.88\00:47:33.88
so do we even in
modern times. dont we?
00:47:33.88\00:47:37.89
I want you pretend when
this meeting is over your going
00:47:37.89\00:47:41.89
home and you tell your husband
listen I need some milk and
egges for breakfast
00:47:41.89\00:47:45.93
tomorrow Lets stop at
Walmart just a couple minutes so
00:47:45.93\00:47:49.93
he agrees, you drive by
He see not need for space
00:47:49.93\00:47:53.94
because your only going to be
in there five minute so parks by
00:47:53.94\00:47:57.94
the door puts the flasher on,
you go into the store, you go
right to the aisle you get the
00:47:57.94\00:48:02.01
milk and eggs and the eggs,
you look for the short line and
00:48:02.01\00:48:06.01
since it late at night and is
probably only aisle out open and
your waiting and low and behold
00:48:06.01\00:48:10.05
what happen? The few people that
are in frount of you somebody
00:48:10.05\00:48:14.09
wants to writes a check instead
of using debit card and takes
forever. someone has
00:48:14.09\00:48:18.09
like 25 coupons that have to be
scanned, Oh and God forbid like
00:48:18.09\00:48:22.10
25 coupons and someone pickups a
product with no bar code on it,
now you got to do a
00:48:22.10\00:48:26.10
price check and before it's all
said and done its been 20
minutes its been 20 minutes
00:48:26.10\00:48:30.14
long. Your frustrated
you get out to the car
00:48:30.14\00:48:34.14
your husband, his face red,
bead of sweat are coming dowing
00:48:34.14\00:48:38.18
forehead what took you
and he says took you so long?
00:48:38.18\00:48:42.18
and what are going say? Oh i
had to wait in line how long?
00:48:42.18\00:48:46.22
forever. But how
long did you really wait?
00:48:46.22\00:48:50.26
20 minutes. Even we use the term
00:48:50.26\00:48:54.83
loosely just
like the Bible does.
00:48:54.83\00:48:58.83
One more
perplexing text this one is in
00:48:58.83\00:49:02.94
Mark 9:43-44.
The Words of Jesus.
00:49:02.94\00:49:06.94
Jesus said, If your hand
00:49:06.94\00:49:11.11
causes you to sin,
(do what?) cut it off.
00:49:11.11\00:49:14.92
It is better for you
to enter into life maimed,
00:49:14.92\00:49:18.92
rather than having
two hands, to go to hell,
00:49:18.92\00:49:22.96
into the fire that
shall never be quenched
00:49:22.96\00:49:26.96
of that is a little problem
00:49:26.96\00:49:30.93
Jesus just described
hell as unquenchable fire.
00:49:30.93\00:49:34.94
fire that never can be quenched
now what are we going do do with
00:49:34.94\00:49:38.97
that verse it seems to
conterdict all the others, well
00:49:38.97\00:49:42.98
first of all we have to ask
if Jesus speaking literally here
00:49:42.98\00:49:47.05
if we going to say yes then
we have a problem with the first
00:49:47.05\00:49:51.05
part verse becasue I know no
church that follows the first
part of that verse literally
00:49:51.05\00:49:55.12
if your hand
causes you to sin do what?
00:49:55.12\00:49:59.13
cut if off and somewhere else
in the gospels I believe He says
00:49:59.13\00:50:03.16
if your eye causes you to sin do
what? pluck it out do know any
00:50:03.16\00:50:07.14
churches got that as a doctrine
you know sorry you did something
bad with your hands
00:50:07.14\00:50:11.17
we are going to cut it off
durning the worship service
there be allot of people
00:50:11.17\00:50:15.18
handless and eyeless if that to
taken literally. So that is the
00:50:15.18\00:50:19.21
first clue it is not meant to
be literally. the other clue is
00:50:19.21\00:50:23.22
this. unquenchable fire
we got two options here.
00:50:23.22\00:50:27.22
Eeither means that it will
never go out and it will burn
00:50:27.22\00:50:31.23
ceaselessly which would
contradict the rest of the Bible
00:50:31.23\00:50:35.20
or it means it
cannot be put out by man
00:50:35.20\00:50:39.20
until its work is done,
Becasue it is a judgement of God
00:50:39.20\00:50:43.27
which on of those do you think
is the biblical one? Number 2
00:50:43.27\00:50:47.28
it is a judgement of
God, it cant go out until
00:50:47.28\00:50:51.28
its work is done. How do we know
that? because if you were to
00:50:51.28\00:50:55.28
lookup term unquenchable
fire in a concordance once again
00:50:55.28\00:50:59.32
it would tell you the
term unquenchable fire has
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been used numerous
times to describe things
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that have ended
I'll show you one example
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from Holy Scripture, we don't
have time to go through 14 of
them Jeremiah 17:27
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when Jerusalem was unfaithful,
God uttered this prophecy
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He said:
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now this happened when
ebuchadnezzar and Babylon
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conquered city of Jeruslaem.
Now if Jeruslaem was burned by
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unquenchable fire and it
I'm gonna conclude it means
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burn throughout eternity . What
should Jerusalem be doing right
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now? I should be
Burning.Is it? No if it was
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it would certainly be
on CNN it simply means that
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it's a judgement of God,
man will not be to stop it
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until its work is done and
when you put that definition
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to hell it again makes
perfect sense. It is God's
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judgement on sin, man
will not stop it but it will go
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out when its work is done
and the life of the wicked is
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snuffed away and God creates
the new heavens and earth
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Satan, sin the wicked are gone
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and sin will never rise again
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See that is the Bible
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truth about hell.
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God is a merciful
God he will be just,
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but he isn't
interested in torture people
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you see friends the Bible
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actually describes
hell as God's strange act
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it isn't something he
wants to do necessarily
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but Gog knows that He
is going to get rid of sin,
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the day will have to come
when the fires of hell will be
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ignited and I truly believe
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that will be the wrost
day of God existence because
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that means He has to
destroy people he loves
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people He created
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people He tried so hard to save.
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People he had
prepared a place for in
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the Kingdom of Heaven
but they were too busy to
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hear his voice. I believe
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there will be tears in
the eyes of God that day
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and even though we always
think of God as comforting us,
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on the day that
heefile burns we may
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have to comfort
God it would be like
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this, any of you
ladies if you have ever
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lost a child lost a
child you know the appsolute
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pain and anguish that causes
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if I were to come to you as a
Minister to try to conferred and
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minister to you and came to
you in your home and I said ma I
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know it hurts but really don't
I know lost one child but hey
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you have three more don't weep
for the one you lost What would
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say to me What would say
to me? Why you would slap
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me in the face and youwould
march me right of your house
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because yes you may
have 3 children left,
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no one, no one will ever
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be able take the
place of the one you losted
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there will forever
be a void in your life
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because that what
a mother love is like
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What do you think the Creator's
love is like? Yes He may have
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many who were saved, but there
will always be a void in God's
00:54:52.75\00:54:55.76
heart for the children that
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He did lose. Thats why God
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works so hard to save you and I
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we're so stubburn and we
put other things before Him
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tonight lets end
with God's invitation,
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John 3:16 where He says
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friends wahtever stands
between you and Jesus let it go
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make decisions you need to make
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now. Tonight are
we willing to pray
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the parayer and say Lord
I want to be in the Kindom
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of Heaven with
you. Lord I want You to
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save me. I want
You to prepare a place
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for me are we willing to pray
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that prayer tonight?
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I want to invite you to get out
your response cards this evening
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These are the ones
that we use on most nights
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write down the questions
you have, write down if it made
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sense but I want to asking
somthing that is not on that
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card if in your heart
you would like to say Lord
00:56:19.84\00:56:23.85
I feel like I just want to
would rededicate my life to you
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I want to give
myself to You Lord
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I want invite you to write the
word rededicate on the back of
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that card and sometime durning
this seminar maybe the last
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night anyone who simply wants
to rededicate their live to
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Lord maybe we will all come
up here as group and well just
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have special prayer of
dedication saying Lord I just
want to give myself
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to You al lover again,
if that something that a
00:56:51.91\00:56:55.91
desire or conviction on your
heart Just write me a little
00:56:55.91\00:56:59.91
note on the back card and say I
would like too participate in a
00:56:59.91\00:57:03.92
rededication prayer and we'll
make that part of this seminar
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before we end a week from today.
would you pray with me as we
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close Heavenly Father,
00:57:11.93\00:57:15.90
thank You that we saw
your love tonight even in this
00:57:15.90\00:57:19.93
subject but Lord we now ask for
00:57:19.93\00:57:23.94
you to give us the strength and
power to follow you with all of
00:57:23.94\00:57:27.94
our heart with all of our
soul and with all of our mind if
00:57:27.94\00:57:31.95
there is anything Lord if ther
is anything that is keeping us
from you show it to us Lord
00:57:31.95\00:57:35.95
help us let it go
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now with every head
bowed every eye closed
00:57:39.95\00:57:43.99
if you would simply like
say Lord Jesus I want you to
00:57:43.99\00:57:47.96
save me and I want
to be in the kindom with
00:57:47.96\00:57:51.97
You I want to invite
you to raise your hand
00:57:51.97\00:57:55.97
all other heads are
bowed my eyes are the
00:57:55.97\00:57:59.94
open right now you're lifting up
your hand and saying Lord I want
00:57:59.94\00:58:04.01
You to save me , I desire
to be in the Kingdom with You
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Lord you see these
hand that are raised
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I pray Lord that
bless them that would bless
00:58:12.02\00:58:16.02
their families give them
the strength to do what right
00:58:16.02\00:58:20.03
and to put Jesus
and your word first
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we ask it in Christ name, amen
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