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- Welcome, everyone.
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We're excited to share
some country wisdom with you.
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- King Solomon had
a thing or two to say
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about the path to wisdom.
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In "Proverbs 4", he wrote,
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"Let your eyes
look directly forward
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and your gaze be
straight before you.
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Keep straight,
the path of your feet
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and all your ways will be sure."
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- Join us, now,
for "Country Wisdom".
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Everyone, we've an
exciting program for you, today.
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Don't we, Janice?
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- I think so.
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- Yeah.
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- I'm excited (laughs).
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- And I'm going to introduce
you to someone in a moment,
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but I wanna read
you some scripture
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from "Isaiah Chapter 40",
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beginning in verse 29,
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"He giveth power to the faint;
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and to them that have no might,
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he increaseth their strength,
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but they that wait upon the
Lord shall renew their strength;
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they shall mount up
with wings as eagles
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and shall run and not be wary
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and shall walk
and not be faint."
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You'll see, why
that scripture, shortly.
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Dr. Garver, it's good
to have you with us, today.
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Thank you for being here.
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- It's good to be here.
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Thank you so much.
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- Tell me, you, well,
I'm gonna get right to it.
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You were a conscientious
objector in Vietnam.
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Now, in, kind
of, when I grew up,
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we're getting pretty close
to the same age, here, I think.
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When I grew up,
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conscientious
objector had a terrible,
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just, nobody wanted
to be around that person.
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But things have changed
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and we'll talk
about that pretty soon.
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But tell us about
your story, if you would.
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- Well, my dad
was in "World War II",
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drafted and he was a
conscientious objector.
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So, I grew up, hearing
nothing about his stories
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of the action
that he was a part of,
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but, certainly,
about the reason he went in
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and was willing to
serve without bearing arms.
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(Dr. Garver clears throat)
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And that intrigued me.
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I didn't even want to see
animals run over in the road.
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I didn't want
anything to get hurt.
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So, being able
to go into a place
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where people were
killing each other
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and me, not have to do that,
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was very appealing to me,
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regardless, of any
other belief system at all.
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With his background and my,
growing up in that environment,
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I'm not sure,
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I, really, thought that
much about it, intentionally.
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When I turned 18,
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I went down to the
courthouse, I registered,
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I filled out the papers
for conscientious objector.
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I just thought
that's what we did.
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And come to find out that
just wasn't what everybody did.
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(Dr. Garver laughs) (Jim laughs)
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And I learned that there
was a whole lot more to it,
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than just getting a title
of conscientious objector.
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I was a lot more involved in
that as I would find out, then.
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- Well, unpack that for us
a little bit, if you would.
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- Why would
someone make that choice,
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first of all, to be
willing to join the military
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without being
your standard soldier?
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It seems like,
that's a dichotomy there.
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- Well, the neat thing for
me and my dad, both, I know,
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was that we
realized very early on,
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thanks to him, I did,
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that there was a way
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to serve in the
military and save lives,
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rather than to take lives.
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And it seemed like
just about all the kids,
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who were conscientious objector
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that got drafted and went,
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which all of us
did in Vietnam, there,
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very few of us
ran off to Canada,
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people ran to
Canada for other reasons,
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but I'm not sure,
very many of them ran off,
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because they didn't
want to carry a weapon.
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- So, you loved your country
and you wanted to serve her?
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- That was the bottom-line.
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Loved the country,
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what I could do to
help perpetuate the freedom
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that we enjoyed, that I enjoyed,
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was, certainly,
worth serving two years
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in whatever capacity possible.
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Now, back then, I realized
there were other ways to serve
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by the time, I got drafted
as a conscientious objector,
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clerks and cooks and
those kind of things.
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But pretty
much, the medic route,
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was the way,
they all started out.
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And what more
witness could I have had
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than to going to battle,
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knowing that if I
was involved in any way,
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I'd be saving lives,
our troops, or the enemies
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and not having to worry about
trying to protect my own life.
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And that became a
very powerful tool
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to unite me to the
guys I took care of
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and we'd go out on patrol with,
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which I was shocked,
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because I thought they
would hate me, like Doss,
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but they embraced me.
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In fact, I'll never
forget one big, old sergeant,
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he said, "Medic,
stay close to me.
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You take care of me,
I'll take care of you."
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And we had a pact.
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I mean, so, those
kind of things united us
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and I think, our
good friend, Desmond,
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paved the way for a lot of us
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to have a lot less
controversy and hassle.
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And in fact, in basic,
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they couldn't treat us
like they treated Desmond.
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They couldn't even treat us
like the regular basic trainees,
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just down the road
at Fort Pike, Louisiana.
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We had some, it was,
really, kind of, neat.
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Some of our guys didn't know,
they were in the army, almost.
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I mean, they did,
but it was different.
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- And I'm curious
with your sergeant,
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there must have
been something else
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than just you, or the
medic to take care of,
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he must have recognized
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that maybe, you had
a relationship with God
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and he wanted to, kind
of, embrace that a little bit?
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- I would like to think, he
could see that in me (laughs),
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but I'm not gonna
put word in his mouth,
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'cause yeah, that
never really came up.
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- You must have
had people, though,
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who questioned your
decision and wanted to know-
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- [Dr. Garver] Oh yeah-
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- Why are you a "CO"?
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- Yeah, well, that was
until they got to know me,
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that was the only
question they'd ask.
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Basically, once they found out,
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well, "Where's your
M16, or where's your 45?"
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I said, "Well,
I don't have one."
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They said, "Well."
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My first sergeant tried to
court-martial me, every month,
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because I wouldn't
even go to the firing range
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and learn how to shoot them.
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And he'd threaten
to court-marshal me
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and I'd say, "All you
want, (indistinct) sergeant,
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but you can't make me
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and you won't
court-martial me, either."
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And that'd make him even madder.
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So, but we had
to little stand-off.
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But the fact was,
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once, they found out who I was
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and quit asking about the
conscientious objector thing,
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we became very close.
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Because they knew,
I was there for them.
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I wasn't there to
get my tail back home.
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I was there to help
all of us get back home,
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which, I think,
they all were, too.
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But it was evident to them
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that my whole
attitude and focus,
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was on the guys
around me, not on myself.
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And probably, the
most common question,
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I've had asked me,
ever since I got back,
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was, "Well, what
would you have done
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if you're the only one,
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guys are needing you over here
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and you've the weapon
here and the guy's dead
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and all you gotta do
is pick it up and use it."
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And I said, "Well,
I'll tell you what I did.
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I prayed every morning
that the Lord would not put me
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in a situation
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that I couldn't respond,
according to my conscience.
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And for some reason, I
never had to make a choice
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between picking up a
weapon and killing somebody
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and taking care of
the guys I was with."
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So, God rewards faith,
there's no doubt about that.
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It was powerful
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to see that kind of
stuff happen for 11 months
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when I was over there.
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- So, really, that was
religion in the trenches.
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- Spiritual (laughs).
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Yeah.
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Religion, to me, and
spiritual connection,
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are two different things.
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I think, and this
is not about theology,
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but I, really, think,
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sometimes,
religions get in the way
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of our connection with God.
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And to me, it's about
Christ and what he's done for us
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and how we can show
his love to other people.
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And to me, that's a
spiritual connection
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and that's what I wanted
to be about and still do,
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even though, the church
is very important to me,
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very, very important.
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- And you ended up
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with, I think, quite
a burden on that level,
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because we're
standing here, today
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in a
conscientious objector park.
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- [Janice] That wouldn't
be here if it weren't for you.
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This is your
brainchild, your dream.
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You, really,
wanted to get this going.
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- It almost seems
like God came to you,
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like he did to Noah
and said, "Build this."
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(Dr. Garver laughs)
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How did it happen?
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- Well, first of all, my
wife and I loved to travel.
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And once, our kids
got a little older,
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we started traveling
all over the country.
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Well, whenever we'd
see a sign on interstate,
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veterans park,
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we'd take a detour.
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And we looked at veterans
parks all over this country
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and we loved, that was one
of our highlights, we'd find.
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And so, I just
made mental notes,
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"That's really cool."
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So, one day, it was
getting close to the 4th of July
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and we, always, had a big
celebration in Collegedale
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on the 4th of July,
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which was, kind of,
interesting in and of itself.
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So, I was driving in
from town and I thought,
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"It's been a year,
since the last 4th of July.
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And as a veteran,
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I have not
thought about veterans
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and their
contribution to the country,
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we love and live in today.
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What is wrong with me?
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What is wrong with this country?
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People who haven't served,
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I wonder, if they
ever think about it."
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And so, I started thinking
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and I said, "If we can get
a veterans park in this town,
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maybe, that would help."
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And I got a piece of paper,
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I, actually, have it,
it's still at the house,
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a paper sack
from a grocery store.
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And I drew some of the
ideas, I had from these parks,
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took it to "VFW",
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they said, "Oh yeah, we'll
support you on this project."
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(Jim laughs) (Janice laughs)
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So, I took that as a yes
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and I went and I asked 11
gentlemen in the community
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to join me.
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The 12th one said, "No."
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And I said, "We're through."
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I had a plan, it
worked out perfect.
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So, those 11 guys, all 11
of 'em, are still on the board.
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Not one guy has
quit in 20 years.
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And so, we started
sharing the ideas and concepts,
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got the property, given to us.
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(dramatic music)
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And what you see today,
is a result of 11 men's work
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over 20 years
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and raising a million dollars.
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And we, only, lost one
of our committee members,
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one of our Vietnam
veterans died prematurely,
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because of his
exposure over there.
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(Dr. Garver clears throat)
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So, it was just a matter of me,
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realizing what it meant to
me, if I ever thought about it.
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But I had to think about it
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to understand how
important it, really, was.
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And I think, now, I
hear people all the time,
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say, "I drive by and see
that flag and I'm reminded."
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If you come
through the gap over here,
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come in this direction,
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that flag is
right in front of you-
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- [Jim] Which is
one of the tallest flags
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in the entire state.
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- I think, there's one taller.
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Doggone!
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(everyone laughs)
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Let's redo it, let's put it-
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- It's pretty big.
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- Let's put an
extension up there.
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(Jim laughs)
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125 foot.
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The flag is 30x50,
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just about the size
of a volleyball court.
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(dramatic music)
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So, that's, really,
what happened and it grew.
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We've, actually,
added several things
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after we got our key elements
in here that we planned on.
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(dramatic music)
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One of 'em was, I
don't know, if y'all heard,
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I'm sure, it was national news,
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some of our recruiters
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at the navy
station, here, in town,
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got killed five
years ago, I think.
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Somebody walked in
and killed five of them.
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And so, some of our community
members wanted to honor them.
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And back there, is the
boots, the M16 and the helmet.
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And that's to
the following guys,
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who were killed
here in Chattanooga.
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So, that and the
female, are the two things
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that we've added
in the last few years
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to try to complete the park
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and make it
meaningful to the local people,
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not just nationally.
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- The world is full
of trouble and chaos,
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but sometimes, the
worst turmoil is inside us.
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The Bible promises
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that no matter how
sinful, helpless and wounded,
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you are, right now,
00:13:09.15\00:13:11.05
God can fill you with a peace
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that goes beyond
all comprehension.
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If you'd like to
claim that promise,
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I'd like to send you a pamphlet,
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called "The Promise of Peace".
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It's absolutely free.
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Go to
"TalkingDonkeyInternational.org"
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and request offer number
120 to order your copy, today.
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(gentle music)
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This park, though,
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I've been to
multiple veterans parks,
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but this one is different.
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This one stands out,
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because it has a focus
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that those other
parks don't have,
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that those other
parks overlook, in fact.
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And it's very significant
that this park is here,
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because of that statue.
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- [Jim] And that man,
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I would guess,
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a large percentage of
the country knows in part,
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because of Mel
Gibson and "Hacksaw Ridge".
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- [Janice] Right.
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- The central
figure in that story.
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Would you share a
little of that with us?
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- Yeah, Desmond Doss was,
actually, an acquaintance of
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mine. I'd love to
say, he was a friend.
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He was, actually,
here, in Collegedale a lot
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and just lived up
the mountain, here,
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about 50 miles away.
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That was his home.
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But when he chose to be
a conscientious objector,
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he took it to
the ultimate level.
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- So, that's why-
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- He went to the point
where he would not compromise,
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he did not rationalize,
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but he made choices daily.
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And to me, as a
teacher for many years,
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the two things I,
really, emphasize with kids,
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is you've, always, got a choice
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and it, always,
makes a difference.
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And if we can learn that and
believe that and act that way,
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then, things will
be different, I think.
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You, always, have a choice
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and it always
makes a difference.
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But the second one,
to me, is so important,
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is rationalization.
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You can rationalize anything.
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And there were
several things in that movie
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that are portrayed very nicely
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where he could have rationalized
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and things would've
been very different.
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He could have just laid it
in his bed and said his prayers
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and he would've had
a lot less suffering,
00:15:13.74\00:15:16.71
he could have just
touched that gun in the cell
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and rationalized, "Well, I'm
not gonna kill anybody, here,
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in the jail."
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I mean, he could have
rationalized all the way
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through his journey.
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But guess, what he didn't do?
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He didn't rationalize.
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What a challenge for us today,
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it's so easy to rationalize.
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He was, probably, my inspiration
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to make good choices
and not to rationalize.
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- [Jim] Isn't that what
today is, a situational ethics?
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(Dr. Garver laughs)
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- Totally, from
what I hear (laughs)
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and see once in a while.
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So, being a
conscientious objector,
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was, really, what gave
him the internal fortitude
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and the desire and the
focus and the (indistinct)
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to make those
decisions, I think,
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because he is so
closely connected to his savior,
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to his God.
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And so, we have, I
think, the only monument,
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honoring conscientious
objectors in the whole world
00:16:05.66\00:16:08.96
over here.
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And the line in there
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that, really,
brings it all home to me,
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is that a conscientious
objector is someone,
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who chose to serve honorably
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in harmony with
their conscience.
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So, it wasn't someone,
who chose not to serve.
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Because by the
time, the war ended,
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there were all kinds of ways,
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guys could, actually, become,
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be conscientious objectors
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and go work in a
hospital for four years
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and they get rid of
their service requirement.
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So, there were things that
the government was trying to do
00:16:36.96\00:16:39.53
to allow them to save face,
00:16:39.53\00:16:40.90
because Muhammad
Ali made him look,
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it brought a lot of
attention to this whole concept.
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(dramatic music)
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So, that
monument, actually, says
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what conscientious
objector was all about
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and how they
truly impacted the war,
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because they would
serve and did a good job.
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And it's amazing
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how many people, really, looked
up to conscientious objector
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by the time, I got there.
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- It's pretty amazing,
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Desmond Doss
wins the highest honor
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that the country can bestow.
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- [Dr. Garver] Absolutely.
00:17:14.96\00:17:15.76
- [Jim] And pretty amazing.
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- I read the quote,
I had read it before,
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but I loved seeing it here
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when he received
his medal of honor
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that Harry Truman said,
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he viewed, being able
to give Doss that honor,
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was a greater honor to
him than being president.
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He recognized the
character in Desmond Doss.
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- That's powerful,
I mean, that is huge.
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- I've forgotten
and you, probably, know,
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exactly, how many men
did he pull off that ridge?
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- Well, let me me tell
you the story behind that.
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- [Janice] 75 or something?
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(Jim laughs)
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- Yeah, there's his citation.
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The records showed,
from what I understand,
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it was 125 or 30.
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He thought, it
was about 35 or 40,
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was what he wanted to take,
00:18:02.91\00:18:04.05
maybe, take credit
for, maybe, with God's help.
00:18:04.05\00:18:06.82
So, they compromised,
"We're gonna call it 75."
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And he said, "Okay."
00:18:10.59\00:18:12.29
But they had
really good evidence,
00:18:12.29\00:18:14.76
it was more than 75.
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But yeah, he has
credit for saving 75 lives
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with the help of the Lord.
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And his mantra up there,
00:18:22.10\00:18:23.87
"God, give me just one more,"
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actually, became a
mantra for many churches
00:18:26.47\00:18:28.40
all across
America for the next year
00:18:28.40\00:18:31.07
and was about "Give me one
more soul for the kingdom."
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So, I mean, it's had a
huge impact on so many lives
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and it's been fun to see
00:18:38.18\00:18:40.22
how God has used
this humble person,
00:18:40.22\00:18:43.69
even years later,
to create conversations
00:18:43.69\00:18:47.62
and people,
thinking and rethinking.
00:18:47.62\00:18:49.56
- It reminds me, if you
had before those battles,
00:18:49.56\00:18:53.33
told him that he was capable
of saving 75 plus people,
00:18:53.33\00:18:58.10
he, probably, would've
said, "No, I can't do that."
00:18:58.10\00:19:00.37
Just like, we, so often,
00:19:00.37\00:19:01.94
Moses didn't think, he
could go and talk to Pharaoh.
00:19:01.94\00:19:04.61
What gives you the ability
to do anything heroic is God.
00:19:05.94\00:19:10.31
- And Janice, he
was such a small man.
00:19:10.31\00:19:12.01
I'm guessing,
00:19:12.01\00:19:13.42
that almost everybody, he
drag off that mountaintop,
00:19:13.42\00:19:14.78
was bigger than he was.
- Was bigger than he was.
00:19:14.78\00:19:16.12
- Right, exactly.
00:19:16.12\00:19:17.02
(Jim laughs)
00:19:17.02\00:19:17.82
Exactly, that's for sure.
00:19:17.82\00:19:19.59
Yeah, so, he was a real example.
00:19:19.59\00:19:23.06
'Cause when they put
the script out first,
00:19:23.06\00:19:25.19
you might have heard this story,
00:19:25.19\00:19:26.70
Mel Gibson put the script out,
00:19:26.70\00:19:28.30
he had all these Mr.
Americas volunteering,
00:19:28.30\00:19:31.90
"Oh man, look!"
00:19:31.90\00:19:33.50
And he just kept
rejecting, "Oh, you're too big."
00:19:33.50\00:19:36.14
Because the
script makes you think,
00:19:36.14\00:19:37.87
it's gonna be a big,
muscular, powerful person.
00:19:37.87\00:19:41.31
But they didn't understand
that it was through God's power
00:19:41.31\00:19:45.01
that the whole
process was able to take place
00:19:45.01\00:19:47.35
and Desmond's connection
to his creator and say-
00:19:47.35\00:19:50.55
- Yeah, yeah.
00:19:50.55\00:19:52.09
- [Dr. Garver]
Very, very powerful.
00:19:52.09\00:19:53.36
- I've gotta ask, we're
getting a little short on time,
00:19:53.36\00:19:55.86
but "Cobra" helicopter behind me
00:19:55.86\00:19:57.99
and a tank and all these things,
00:19:57.99\00:19:59.66
can you tell us a little, how
all that came together, here?
00:19:59.66\00:20:02.00
That's no small feat.
00:20:02.00\00:20:03.33
- [Dr. Garver] (laughs) Right.
00:20:03.33\00:20:04.70
- I wouldn't know, where
to even go to find a tank.
00:20:04.70\00:20:07.10
(Jim laughs)
00:20:07.10\00:20:08.94
- Army circle-
00:20:08.94\00:20:10.24
- You know, it doesn't
happen at "Walmart", right?
00:20:10.24\00:20:11.47
(Jim laughs) (Janice laughs)
00:20:11.47\00:20:12.31
- You got a computer.
00:20:12.31\00:20:13.31
(everyone laughs)
00:20:13.31\00:20:14.41
Nowadays, it's
made lots more simple.
00:20:14.41\00:20:16.41
- [Janice] Do they
have tanks on "eBay"?
00:20:16.41\00:20:18.01
(everyone laughs)
00:20:18.01\00:20:19.75
(dramatic music)
00:20:19.75\00:20:21.38
- It is funny how we
could do a whole segment
00:20:21.38\00:20:23.95
on the 11 men, I
picked in their special jobs,
00:20:23.95\00:20:26.62
that all of them ended up with
00:20:26.62\00:20:28.56
that I knew
nothing about their skills,
00:20:28.56\00:20:30.76
well, I had some clue,
00:20:30.76\00:20:32.49
but how they all fit
into a specific niche
00:20:32.49\00:20:35.73
and saved all kinds of money.
00:20:35.73\00:20:38.13
So, the lawyer, we had
one lawyer on this thing
00:20:39.33\00:20:41.77
and I said, "We need you
to get the hardware for us,
00:20:41.77\00:20:45.37
'cause you know,
how to research."
00:20:45.37\00:20:47.71
And within two months,
he had this one secured.
00:20:47.71\00:20:50.65
We just had to go and get it.
00:20:50.65\00:20:52.15
And it took about another
year to get this one, the tank.
00:20:52.15\00:20:55.72
And we just gave up
after about six or eight years
00:20:55.72\00:20:59.12
on that one.
00:20:59.12\00:21:00.52
But 10 years later, we
were able to get the fighter,
00:21:00.52\00:21:02.29
it's on loan to us from a
museum, down in Mobile, Alabama.
00:21:02.29\00:21:05.66
(crickets chirping)
00:21:05.66\00:21:07.03
So, we have to maintain
that in a museum standard,
00:21:07.03\00:21:09.93
or they'll come, make us
take it back down to Mobile.
00:21:09.93\00:21:13.67
The other two,
00:21:13.67\00:21:14.60
(crickets chirping)
00:21:14.60\00:21:15.97
they care, but
they don't check on us.
00:21:15.97\00:21:18.27
(Dr. Garver laughs)
00:21:18.27\00:21:19.97
So, yeah, it
was relatively easy,
00:21:19.97\00:21:22.81
because the right person
was tasked with that task.
00:21:22.81\00:21:27.65
And so, the other
guy was an engineer,
00:21:27.65\00:21:30.45
he did the polls and
created all that kind of stuff
00:21:30.45\00:21:32.89
and connected everything.
00:21:32.89\00:21:33.99
And so, God just
gave us the right people.
00:21:33.99\00:21:37.43
I mean, a
banker, our finance guy
00:21:37.43\00:21:42.46
and a little
barbershop guy from Downtown.
00:21:43.60\00:21:45.87
(crickets chirping)
00:21:45.87\00:21:47.17
Barbershop, all
he did was cut hair.
00:21:47.17\00:21:48.67
And the guys from "TVA"
came in and got their haircut,
00:21:50.14\00:21:52.37
the president of "TVA",
"Tennessee Valley Authority",
00:21:52.37\00:21:55.58
one of the most
powerful positions in America,
00:21:55.58\00:21:57.95
'cause it's not political.
00:21:57.95\00:21:59.25
Well, they're
not elected (laughs).
00:21:59.25\00:22:01.38
(Jim laughs)
00:22:01.38\00:22:03.62
And we'd had renderings
made to take different places,
00:22:03.62\00:22:07.19
so, people ask
questions about the park
00:22:07.19\00:22:08.76
before we even got started.
00:22:08.76\00:22:10.03
(dramatic music)
00:22:10.03\00:22:11.13
And this guy came
in and asked Charlie,
00:22:11.13\00:22:11.79
he says, "What's that?
00:22:11.79\00:22:13.13
Tell me about that picture."
00:22:13.13\00:22:14.56
So, he told me about our dream,
00:22:14.56\00:22:16.36
the park out here.
00:22:16.36\00:22:17.97
And the guy looked at him
00:22:17.97\00:22:19.30
and said, "Well, let me tell
you what I'll do for your park.
00:22:19.30\00:22:20.94
We don't have any
money we can give you.
00:22:20.94\00:22:22.80
But anytime, you
ever need a crane
00:22:22.80\00:22:24.81
of any size, for anything,
00:22:24.81\00:22:27.14
call me two days in advance
00:22:27.14\00:22:28.54
and you'll have what you need."
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(crickets
chirping) (dramatic music)
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So, when that tank
rolled up on a big, old,
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I mean, a huge trailer
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and there was a huge
crane, sitting here, for free!
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(Jim laughs) (Janice laughs)
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The right guy at the right time.
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- Dr. Garver, you shared,
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as we were talking a little bit
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before we started the interview,
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I get the feeling
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that there's been
quite a few spiritual lessons
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in this 20-year project for you.
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Would you mind
sharing a little bit?
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- God's timing is
always perfect, I should say,
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not right, it's perfect.
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I've been trying to get a
wellness center built for years
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at "Southern".
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It wasn't gonna happen,
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they're gonna do something else.
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One of the guys on my
board, here, who accepted,
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was, also, on
the university board,
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they're gonna build
something over there.
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And because of our
relationship, we developed here,
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the timing was perfect for him
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to walk into the president
and ask him a simple question,
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"Does the university
need a wellness center,
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or a welcome center?"
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(dramatic music)
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And it was the obvious question,
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the answer was obvious.
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The kids don't
need (indistinct),
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but parents
might really enjoy it.
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So, the welcome
center's plan went down,
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the wellness center is in place.
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And just a
little, to me, evidence
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that without the time to
develop that relationship
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and this park, being here,
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created an opportunity for
the timing on that to be right,
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because the location,
it was gonna be first,
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was not gonna
be where it is now.
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It was gonna be
somewhere else behind the gym.
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So, I mean,
everything just mushroomed
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into a perfect scenario
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for the park, for the board,
for "Southern", for students.
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And today, it, still, is
one of the favorite place
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for people to walk.
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But the greenway was, already,
here when we built the park.
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So, it doesn't bring a
lot of people back here
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during the day,
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but on the weekends, that
tank's packed out with kids.
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I mean, they are
climbing over this thing.
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The first three days we had it,
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the hatch was open
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and I'd stand up
there for eight hours a day,
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letting people
in, one at a time.
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They'd crank the
thing up and turn and go,
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but then, we
had to lock it down.
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And so, no one's
gotten into it since.
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But that, actually,
gave people an opportunity
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to feel what it
felt like to be in a tank
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and to, actually,
depend on God to save them.
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So, I think, God has a plan
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and for him, to bring
this together for his glory
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and then for Doss, his
death and the timing of that,
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was, actually, perfect
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as far as how it
brought us all together, again
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for an addition to our park.
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Because that wasn't gonna
happen, until after his death,
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so. - Well, doctor, thank
you so much for your time,
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for sharing the
story and for your faith.
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- And I can hardly
wait to read your book,
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because I'm so lucky-
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- That's right.
00:25:23.35\00:25:24.39
- It's mine, not yours.
00:25:24.39\00:25:25.75
(Jim laughs)
00:25:25.75\00:25:26.59
- Oh, okay.
00:25:26.59\00:25:27.46
- He gave us a copy,
00:25:27.46\00:25:28.76
but we all know,
who's getting it first.
00:25:28.76\00:25:30.73
(Dr. Garver laughs)
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- All right.
00:25:31.56\00:25:33.13
Maybe, bring that to me,
00:25:33.13\00:25:34.46
you gotta bring
that to me, here.
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We gotta show
it on camera, here.
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"Against All Odds", your
book, where can they get it?
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- [Dr. Garver] P.O.
Box 1141, Collegedale.
00:25:41.90\00:25:43.81
It's only available through me,
00:25:43.81\00:25:44.91
or the "ABC", here, in town.
00:25:44.91\00:25:46.64
- [Jim] All right.
00:25:46.64\00:25:47.98
- The "ABC" in Collegedale,
"Adventist Book Center",
00:25:47.98\00:25:49.74
(indistinct), or I have them.
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- [Janice] Awesome.
00:25:52.08\00:25:53.42
- I've got a feeling,
it's gonna be a good read.
00:25:53.42\00:25:54.45
- Oh, yes.
00:25:54.45\00:25:55.28
- I get it after you-
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- [Dr. Garver] It's a story.
00:25:56.08\00:25:57.02
- All right.
00:25:57.02\00:25:58.12
- I love stories.
- [Dr. Garver] Yeah.
00:25:58.12\00:25:59.19
- Doctor, thank
you, again, so much.
00:25:59.19\00:26:00.32
- It's, really,
nice to meet you guys
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and good luck on your mission.
00:26:01.12\00:26:01.66
- Thank you.
00:26:01.66\00:26:02.99
- [Dr. Garver] Yeah,
it's nice to meet you all.
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- And thank you for doing this.
00:26:03.79\00:26:04.33
(dramatic music)
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The world is full
of trouble and chaos,
00:26:14.27\00:26:17.67
but sometimes, the
worst turmoil is inside us.
00:26:17.67\00:26:21.88
The Bible promises
00:26:21.88\00:26:23.21
that no matter how
sinful, helpless and wounded,
00:26:23.21\00:26:26.01
you are, right now,
00:26:26.01\00:26:27.95
God can fill you with a peace
00:26:27.95\00:26:29.92
that goes beyond
all comprehension.
00:26:29.92\00:26:32.85
If you'd like to
claim that promise,
00:26:32.85\00:26:35.42
I'd like to send you a pamphlet,
00:26:35.42\00:26:37.13
called "The Promise of Peace".
00:26:37.13\00:26:39.59
It's absolutely free.
00:26:39.59\00:26:41.70
Go to
"TalkingDonkeyInternational.org"
00:26:41.70\00:26:44.87
and request offer number
120 to order your copy, today.
00:26:44.87\00:26:49.87
(gentle music)
00:26:49.87\00:26:52.51
- Hey, Janice,
how are you doing?
00:26:54.61\00:26:56.44
- Hey, you wrote another book.
00:26:56.44\00:26:58.35
- I did,
00:26:58.35\00:26:59.71
had a burden on my heart
and God helped me get it done.
00:26:59.71\00:27:01.28
(gentle music)
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- So, "The Plan of Love".
00:27:02.08\00:27:04.09
What's it about?
00:27:04.92\00:27:06.02
- Well, it's, really,
about God and eternity,
00:27:06.02\00:27:08.56
saw everything that
was going to happen here
00:27:08.56\00:27:11.16
and his amazing love,
00:27:11.16\00:27:12.99
he says, "I'm going to
take care of the problem.
00:27:12.99\00:27:15.20
I'm gonna take care of
the situation by giving my own
00:27:15.20\00:27:17.87
life." (gentle music)
00:27:17.87\00:27:19.20
He did all that, but
we've been lied to so much.
00:27:19.20\00:27:22.04
We don't see what
God has planned for us,
00:27:22.04\00:27:24.21
what God is doing for us.
00:27:24.21\00:27:26.37
Matter of fact, the
angel came down to Mary
00:27:26.37\00:27:28.04
and said, "You
shall call his name Jesus
00:27:28.04\00:27:31.05
for he shall save his people
00:27:31.05\00:27:32.61
from their sins."
- From their sins.
00:27:32.61\00:27:33.92
- Notice, it
wasn't "in", but "from".
00:27:33.92\00:27:36.28
- Where can people get the book?
00:27:36.28\00:27:37.95
- Hey, I'm glad you asked.
00:27:37.95\00:27:39.52
Folks, if you'd like
your own personal copy,
00:27:39.52\00:27:41.46
log onto
"TalkingDonkeyInternational.org"
00:27:41.46\00:27:44.16
and I'll please if you would,
00:27:44.16\00:27:45.13
send us a donation of $12.
00:27:45.13\00:27:47.13
- [Janice] Or more.
00:27:47.13\00:27:47.96
- Or more.
00:27:47.96\00:27:48.73
and we'll get you the book
00:27:48.73\00:27:49.83
and I'll be happy to
sign it for you, too.
00:27:49.83\00:27:52.00
Thank you so much.
00:27:52.00\00:27:53.23
(gentle music)
00:27:53.23\00:27:56.04
Thank you for watching.
00:27:56.04\00:27:57.41
Join us, again, for another
exciting "Country Wisdom".
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- See you next time.
00:27:59.24\00:28:00.38
(gentle music)
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