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- Welcome everyone.
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We're excited to share
some country wisdom with you.
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- King Solomon had
a thing or two to say
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about the path to wisdom.
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In Proverbs Four, he
wrote, "Let your eyes look
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"directly forward and your
gaze be straight before you.
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"Keep straight
the path of your feet
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"and all your
ways will be sure."
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- Join us now
for Country Wisdom.
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I want to introduce
you to Tim Chaffey today.
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Tim is Content Director,
is that the proper term?
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- Manager, yeah.
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- Content Manager,
three Master's degrees,
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working on a doctorate,
I've gotta ask you, Tim,
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what are those
Master's degrees in?
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- The MA is in Biblical
and Theological Studies,
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the MDiv specialized in
Apologetic and Theology,
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and then the THM is in
Church History and Theology.
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- All right so, we've
got the perfect guy today
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to talk about the Bible
being trustworthy, is it?
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- Yes.
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(talking and
laughing at the same time)
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- That works, that really works.
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I mean, that's
the way it should be,
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but unfortunately,
in this world today
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that isn't the way it is, a
lotta people don't believe that.
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- A lotta people
believe that the Bible
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is actually full of mistakes,
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that it contradicts itself.
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- Right, they talk
about how there are
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scientific errors
or historical errors
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or that it contradicts itself.
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You know, I've
been studying the book
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for a long time, really
in depth for over 25 years.
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I haven't seen one yet.
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And yet they keep.
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- What are some of the
most popular criticisms,
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the ones that
people bring up the most?
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- Yeah so, since we're
here at the Ark Encounter,
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let's talk about
one from Genesis.
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A lotta people say
in the Creation Week,
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well, the Bible says
God made light on day one,
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but he made the sun on
day four, and so there's
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this contradiction there.
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- I've heard that one.
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- Yeah, and when
you explain it to people
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that no, he made
light on day one.
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You don't need
the sun to have light.
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When you flip on a
light switch in your room
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you're not using the sun.
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So, you don't have to
have the sun to have light.
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It's just like God made
the permanent light source,
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the sun, on day four.
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And they'll say,
well, how can you have days
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before that then,
because days one, two, and three
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were before that,
so those must not be
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literal days, you
know, 24 hour days,
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because you don't have the sun.
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You don't measure
the day by the sun.
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You measure by the
rotation of the earth.
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And so, as long as
you have a rotating earth
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and you have light,
then which you have,
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because you have
evening and morning,
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evening and morning,
on each of those days,
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then you can measure
the length of the day.
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And so, God is
telling us how long
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those days were.
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They were evening and morning.
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They were dark and
night periods, 24 hours.
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- It's kind of
interesting too, this may
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be bigger bite size
chunks for some people,
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but the Bible says God is light.
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- Yeah.
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- So, I picture God
just lighting up the universe
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before he helped us
out here with the sun.
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- That may very
well be how he did it.
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I mean, the
Bible doesn't tell us
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what that light was.
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- It's kind of, for me
I kind of imagine it as
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that corner of
the universe lit up
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because God was
moving in, you know.
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As soon as he entered
the area it was lit up.
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- If you think
about what's interesting
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if you think about the
end of the book of Revelation
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and there's so many
things at the end of Revelation
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that tie into the
beginning of Genesis.
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- What is that,
the chiastic structure?
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(talking at the same time)
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- Usually it had to
do more with like a poet,
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a structure of a
certain narrative
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where you see things
repeated, but in reverse.
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But, this one you
have, you know, you have
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the Tree of Life
mentioned again in Revelation,
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and no more curse.
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Well, there was no
curse at the beginning.
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You have the
light, and there's no need
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of the sun because the
Lamb, or Christ himself,
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will be the light.
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So maybe that is
what the light source was
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those first three
days, doesn't tell us that.
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That's a good
speculation, but maybe
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some temporary light
source got put there.
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- By the way, I should
mention to our viewers too,
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that we are here
at the Ark Encounter.
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So, we're in the
middle, a lotta folks around.
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You've got bands
going for the celebration.
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- Yeah, we're
here at a good time.
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- Yeah, great time.
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- We've had a,
this summer we've had
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40 days and 40 nights
of gospel music at the Ark
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and that's why we
have musicians playing
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in the morning
and in the evening.
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And then, we have
some outdoor things,
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so we might hear
some music strike up
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in a little bit.
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- But, it's all been good music.
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- Yeah, and the
people have been coming,
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the bands that are
coming in, they're so friendly
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and great to get to know them.
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And we have popular
pastors who are coming
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and sharing the gospel.
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David Jeremiah's gonna be here,
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and so just a lot
of well known people
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and they can find out
more, look on our website.
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We've only got a few
days left of it though, so.
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- Now let's unpack if we
can, 'cause we don't have
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a lotta time, but
unpack the creation day
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a little more in
depth if you would.
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- Yeah, so a lotta times,
ever since the late 1700s,
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the early 1800s,
there have been, that's
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when geology
was getting started,
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the science of geology.
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You know, in the
1700s you couldn't go
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to school and get
a degree in geology.
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People were just
starting to study the rock,
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and some of the early
geologists, people like
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Charles Lyell, who
was an attorney by trade,
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but he wanted to
separate or divorce
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the science of
geology from Moses.
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That's what his
stated goal was to try
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to move it away from the Bible.
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And so, he would
fudge numbers, you know,
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about the Niagara Falls
and how quickly it's receding.
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He wanted it to be
hundreds of thousands
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of years old
rather than just thousands
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of years old, because you can
kind of measure those things.
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And so, he would
fudge his numbers
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and his books were
extremely influential,
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Principles of Geology.
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They made it
onboard the HMS Beagle.
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- Tim, I've just
gotta have you back up
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just for a second.
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- Yeah.
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- Folks, this may
be really important.
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Talk about Niagara
Falls and how we can show
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that a young earth.
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- Yeah, so waterfalls
will often they'll erode
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the rock that
they're flowing over,
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and so they
actually move back over time
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and you can measure
the rate how quickly
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they move back and
then you can just calculate,
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well, how long would
that be before it was
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in the great lake.
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And so, that's how you're able
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to calculate those things.
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Now, you have
to assume that it's
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always been constant,
but during the Ice Age
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and when that
ended you would have
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you know, a lot more
water flowing through there
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which would erode it quicker.
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And so there are some factors
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that you have to
take into account.
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But, it does kinda
give you an upper limit
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of those things.
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That was not on there
for millions of years,
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which even with
seculars I would say no,
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because there was an
Ice Age and that's when
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these things would have been.
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- Things have not
always been uniform.
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- That's exactly right.
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- It also, when you were
talking about Charles Lyell,
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it reminds me that no
matter what the data is
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your world view effects how
you interpret those numbers,
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how you interpret what
it is you're looking at.
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- Yeah, and we
see that all the time.
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You know, a good
example is in 2005, there was
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some soft tissue that
was discovered in the upper
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leg bone of a
tyrannosaur, so the femur,
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and they had broken
it open to transport
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it and when they
did that and they were
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you know, studying it
they found soft tissue
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and blood cells
and blood vessels.
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- Which should
not still be there.
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- No, we've been told for years,
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we've been told for
years, you'll never find
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anything like that
because none of that could last
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for more than 10,000
years, because as soon
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as the creature dies all
of the DNA, everything else,
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starts breaking down
and you'd never find it.
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Well, they found it.
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And then right
away the outcry was,
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oh, that was contamination.
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You gotta look again.
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They did look
again and they found it.
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And then, what
was their conclusion?
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Oh, maybe the millions
of years are wrong, right?
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No, that wasn't
their conclusion.
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Their conclusion was
there must be some process
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by which these
things can be preserved
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for 67 million years.
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We look at it and say,
that's perfectly consistent
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with what we would expect.
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So, we had other
dinosaur bones broken open
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and guess what?
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Soft tissue.
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We're finding more of that.
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- Blood cells.
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- Yeah.
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So, that's a great
example of how people
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look at the exact
same data and they have
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two different world
views looking at it and they
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reach different conclusions.
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And that's what
people need to understand.
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This whole
creation/evolution thing,
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it is not science versus faith.
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That's how it's always
portrayed in the media.
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It's not you know
fact versus belief.
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It is world view about
the past, present, and future
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versus world view about
the past, present, and future.
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One begins with
man's ideas that change
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all the time, who
don't know everything
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and often times
are trying to get
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away from God, not all of 'em.
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And then, the other
starts with God's word,
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the word of the one
who knows all things
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who's always been,
who made everything,
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who told us what he
did and he cannot lie.
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So, we're gonna start there.
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- It absolutely makes sense.
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I mean, that's
the place to start.
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- Yeah.
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- Continue on now
with the Creation Week.
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- Yeah well,
real quickly before.
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(talking at the same time)
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We were talkin'
about Charles Lyell.
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Well, his books
were taken onboard
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the HMS Beagle
with Charles Darwin
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and that's what gave Darwin
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the millions of
years that he needed
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to propose the
idea of evolution,
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or promote it.
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The idea had already been there,
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but to really popularize it.
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So those two in
tandem really caused
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a drastic shift in
the way that people
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thought about these issues,
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because prior to
that time most people
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assumed, yeah,
the Biblical flood
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and that's how we
can explain these layers
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that we see in the ground.
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So, going back to
the Creation Week,
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the Bible tells us
that each of those days
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were normal length days.
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They began with
evening and morning.
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They're in a
numbered sequence and whenever
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you find in historical narrative
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a numbered sequence in
Hebrew it's always of days,
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attach the word day.
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It's always a normal length day.
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- Not long periods of time.
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- Right, and even
in Exodus, Chapter 20,
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when God is giving
the Ten Commandments
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and he says to
remember the Sabbath day
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to keep it holy,
he goes and gives,
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he says you're
gonna work six days
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and rest for one
'cause that's what I did.
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For in six days the
Lord made the heaven,
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the earth, the sea
and all that is in them
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and rested the seventh day.
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That's Exodus 20, verse 11.
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Well, if God worked
for, you know, if it was
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really for millions of
years, well, the Israelites
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are gonna have a
pretty long week.
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I hope it's Friday
night or else they're
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gonna have a rough time.
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- And when you
think, if you don't believe
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in the Creation
Week, how do you explain
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where we get a week?
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- It's interesting because.
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- Everything else
is based on bodies,
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you know, astronomical bodies.
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- Right, the 24
hour day is the earth
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rotating one time.
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The 365 and a quarter
day, year, is days a year,
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is the amount of
time it takes the earth
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to travel around the sun.
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The month is based
on the amount of time
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the moon goes around the earth
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and the seven day week is from?
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- Yeah, where is that from?
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- It's not from astronomy.
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And yet, nearly every
culture has been using
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that and it's from God's word.
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It's almost as if
we were made to work
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on that
schedule because we were.
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- It is interesting
too, circadian rhythm
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they found is
that seven day cycle.
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- Yeah.
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- In humans, we
just don't function well.
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In Europe they tried
to stick in you know a 10.
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- After the French
Revolution and said,
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let's do it on 10.
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- Yeah, 10-day
work week didn't work,
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'bout killed
everybody, because God
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had set us up to match that.
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Continue on, you've got
a lot of exciting things.
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We could go on for hours.
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- Well so, what some
Christians have tried to do is
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blend that millions
of years with the Bible
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and it just doesn't work.
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It creates all
sorts of problems.
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If you try to put it
before Adam, then you've got
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death and suffering
and disease before Adam.
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The Bible says those things
are a result of Adam's sin.
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- You also have to
say, okay, God's plan
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for developing up
to humans was for a lot
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of death to happen.
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- Right.
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Yeah so if God used
evolution, which is what people,
00:11:05.13\00:11:07.13
some people will
say, and then sometimes
00:11:07.13\00:11:08.50
Christians will say, well,
he could do that if he wanted.
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Really, the God who
is holy, just, pure,
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and merciful could use a process
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of death and
suffering and disease
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for millions and
millions of years
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and call it very good?
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That doesn't sound
like the God of scripture
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who calls death an enemy.
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- Back that up just
a little bit for people
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who may not really
have a handle on this.
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Unpack that a little
bit more, when you talk
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about this timeframe and death,
destruction and everything.
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- Yeah so, if the
rock layers that we find
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in the ground, if
you know, when you look
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at the Grand Canyon, full
of fossils and everything,
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and fossils are
evidence of dead things.
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If that's really
a record of millions
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and millions and
millions of years,
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hundreds of
millions of years of death
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and suffering and
disease, all those things
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had to have
happened before the first man
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was on the scene,
according to evolutionary
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time scale and everything.
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And yet, after
God makes Adam and Eve
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he looked at
everything he had made
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and said it was
very good, perfect.
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There's no death in something.
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God says those things are
gonna be if you sin, death.
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So, death is a
result of sin, yeah.
00:12:04.95\00:12:07.29
And the New
Testament's very clear
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on that as well.
00:12:08.59\00:12:09.69
So, if you have death
and suffering, disease,
00:12:09.69\00:12:11.63
thorns and thistles,
all of that that we find
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in the fossil
record, before Adam,
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then God just called
all those things very good,
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and that's not
how God is described
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in the scripture.
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And here's where it
really hits the road
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for us as
Christians, if Adam's sin
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did not bring
physical death into this world,
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then how come
the solution to sin
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is the physical death of
the Son of God on the cross
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and the physical
bodily resurrection
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from the grave, if sin
and death have no connection,
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which is what the
millions of years does,
00:12:36.75\00:12:38.79
disconnect
those, then the gospel
00:12:38.79\00:12:40.86
doesn't make
sense anymore either.
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- And that's the very
point that they wanna make.
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- For the skeptic, yes.
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You know, there are
some Christians who believe
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the gospel, but
they don't believe
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what Genesis
says about you know,
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the age of the year
like we're talking about.
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And so they have a disconnect.
00:12:52.20\00:12:53.90
They can still be
saved by believing
00:12:53.90\00:12:55.40
what Christ has done,
but they're kinda saying,
00:12:55.40\00:12:57.97
but, I don't
really believe you here.
00:12:57.97\00:12:58.97
I don't really trust you here.
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I'm gonna trust the scientists.
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- But, if you believe in Christ,
00:13:01.81\00:13:03.41
you know, if you
accept New Testament,
00:13:03.41\00:13:05.18
but are going, ah,
but Genesis you know,
00:13:05.18\00:13:07.95
Christ quoted from Genesis.
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Christ believed.
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You know, Jesus,
when he was on earth
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believed that Noah existed
and that there was a flood.
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- And that Abel existed.
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- And he believed
that sin came in with Adam.
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- Yeah, and he was there.
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He made them.
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- So, you have to
assume he was wrong about that.
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- That's what
some people will say.
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They'll say, oh,
he just accommodated
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to the errors of his day.
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So, he sinned?
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Then he can't be our Savior,
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because he'd be
dying for his own sins.
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Yeah, so people
don't think through
00:13:30.97\00:13:33.51
a lotta those things deeply.
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They think the
scientific issue, oh, that's
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an issue for the
scientists and we gotta
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trust the scientists.
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- I'm just going on faith.
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- So, do you trust the
scientists who also say
00:13:39.65\00:13:41.22
people don't rise from the dead?
00:13:41.22\00:13:42.32
Because if you
deny the resurrection,
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you're not a believer.
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And yet, they're
believing that part.
00:13:45.92\00:13:47.32
- And what kind
of hope do you have
00:13:47.32\00:13:48.56
if you don't believe in that?
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- Right, and how many
scientists say virgins
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don't give birth?
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So, we accept
miracles in the New Testament.
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Somehow God couldn't
do something miraculously
00:13:54.60\00:13:55.86
in the Old.
00:13:55.86\00:13:57.13
And it's because
they're trusting a philosophy.
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They don't understand,
they think it's a science,
00:13:59.47\00:14:00.77
but it's really
uniformitarian philosophy
00:14:00.77\00:14:03.10
that says all
things continue the way
00:14:03.10\00:14:04.71
they have been for
millions and millions of years.
00:14:04.71\00:14:06.98
There was never
a worldwide flood.
00:14:06.98\00:14:08.18
- And if we don't see it today,
00:14:08.18\00:14:09.28
it didn't happen
yesterday either.
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- Yeah, and so
people don't recognize
00:14:11.11\00:14:14.12
really the nature of the battle
00:14:14.12\00:14:15.22
that's been going on.
00:14:15.22\00:14:16.02
It's been very clever, you know,
00:14:16.02\00:14:17.09
from the skeptics,
really from the enemy,
00:14:17.09\00:14:19.15
to undermine
Genesis because then it will
00:14:19.15\00:14:21.12
undermine the rest of scripture.
00:14:21.12\00:14:23.12
- Hey Janice, how you doin'?
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- Hey, you wrote another book.
00:14:24.33\00:14:26.83
- I did, had a
burden on my heart
00:14:26.83\00:14:28.16
and God helped me get it done.
00:14:28.16\00:14:29.73
- So, The Plan of Love.
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What's it about?
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- Well, it's really
about God in eternity
00:14:34.47\00:14:37.01
saw everything that
was going to happen here
00:14:37.01\00:14:38.81
and his amazing
love, he says, I'm going
00:14:38.81\00:14:42.64
to take care of the problems.
00:14:42.64\00:14:43.71
I'm going to take
care of the situation
00:14:43.71\00:14:45.05
by giving my own life.
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He did all that, but
we've been lied to so much
00:14:46.75\00:14:50.52
we don't see what
God has planned for us,
00:14:50.52\00:14:52.69
what God is doing for us.
00:14:52.69\00:14:54.49
Matter of fact, the
angel came down to Mary
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and said, you
shall call his name Jesus
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for he shall save his
people from their sin.
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Notice it wasn't in, but from.
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- Where can people get the book?
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- Hey, I'm glad you asked.
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Folks, if you'd like
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- I'm admitting
to a bit of a flaw
00:16:06.26\00:16:08.23
in my character here.
00:16:08.23\00:16:09.73
There might be just
a touch of pride in me
00:16:10.97\00:16:13.07
that the Lord has
not quite overcome.
00:16:13.07\00:16:15.34
I get so upset when people,
oh, you believe in creation.
00:16:16.74\00:16:21.44
It's kind of like, you're just
00:16:22.24\00:16:24.01
a little ignorant, you know.
00:16:24.01\00:16:25.61
If you just
really understood science
00:16:25.61\00:16:27.68
you wouldn't
believe that anymore.
00:16:27.68\00:16:29.52
I'm an intelligent person
00:16:30.52\00:16:32.65
and the thought
that the only reason
00:16:32.65\00:16:35.36
I believe in
creation and believe
00:16:35.36\00:16:37.03
in the whole literal
Genesis is that I'm dumb.
00:16:37.03\00:16:39.86
That might get to me,
00:16:41.03\00:16:42.56
more than it should.
00:16:43.73\00:16:45.23
- Paul allowed
himself to be called
00:16:45.23\00:16:46.43
a fool for Christ sake.
00:16:46.43\00:16:47.97
If Paul could be a fool
I am way dumber than Paul.
00:16:47.97\00:16:52.51
- I need to learn to accept
00:16:52.51\00:16:55.14
when people think I'm dumb.
00:16:56.34\00:16:57.98
- Tim, you've got me
goin' here in Creation Week.
00:16:57.98\00:16:59.61
Let's kinda keep, keep
diggin' in to more stuff.
00:16:59.61\00:17:01.75
- Sure, what do you wanna know?
00:17:01.75\00:17:03.39
(laughing)
00:17:03.39\00:17:05.35
- I think we were up
to about day three was it?
00:17:05.35\00:17:06.62
- So, one of the
things, we're here
00:17:06.62\00:17:07.99
at the Ark Encounter, so
we talk about animals a lot.
00:17:07.99\00:17:09.82
So, a lotta times
Christians will add,
00:17:09.82\00:17:12.06
try to add the
millions of years, they'll say,
00:17:12.06\00:17:13.40
oh, it's perfectly consistent
with the order of events.
00:17:13.40\00:17:15.73
You know, I can give you quotes
00:17:15.73\00:17:17.00
from like Norman
Keisler and other people,
00:17:17.00\00:17:18.67
you know, very brilliant men
00:17:18.67\00:17:21.54
and they'll say
things like order of events
00:17:21.54\00:17:22.87
from the big bang in evolution
lines up with Genesis One.
00:17:22.87\00:17:24.84
No it doesn't.
00:17:24.84\00:17:25.91
It doesn't even
come close to that.
00:17:25.91\00:17:27.24
Okay, so they, from the
evolutionary point of view,
00:17:27.24\00:17:29.81
you know, you
have dinosaurs would be
00:17:29.81\00:17:31.88
land animals, so
they're on day six.
00:17:31.88\00:17:33.68
Well, the Bible
said they're on day six.
00:17:33.68\00:17:35.18
But, the evolutionaries
say they evolved into birds.
00:17:35.18\00:17:37.22
Well, birds are day five.
00:17:37.22\00:17:38.85
They're the
exact opposite order.
00:17:38.85\00:17:40.39
The evolutionary view,
big bang and everything,
00:17:40.39\00:17:42.42
has the sun before the earth.
00:17:42.42\00:17:44.16
What does the Bible have?
00:17:44.16\00:17:45.23
The earth before the sun.
00:17:45.23\00:17:46.73
And we have an
article on our website
00:17:46.73\00:17:48.06
by Dr. Terry
Mortenson that goes through
00:17:48.06\00:17:49.43
like 23 differences
in the order of events.
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You can't just take
the millions of years
00:17:51.70\00:17:53.20
and stick it on
top of Genesis One
00:17:53.20\00:17:54.50
without completely
changing what Genesis One says.
00:17:54.50\00:17:58.11
And then, people will say, well,
00:17:58.11\00:17:59.21
the point of Genesis
One is just to tell us
00:17:59.21\00:18:00.94
that God made
everything and that man's
00:18:00.94\00:18:03.01
made in his image.
00:18:03.01\00:18:04.11
Then, why do we
have all those verses?
00:18:04.11\00:18:05.48
I mean, we have, you
could say that in Genesis 1:1
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and Genesis 1:26 and 27.
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What about all the rest?
00:18:09.12\00:18:10.45
Even if those are the
two most important points,
00:18:10.45\00:18:11.85
it doesn't mean the
other details are insignificant
00:18:11.85\00:18:15.16
or are wrong,
00:18:15.16\00:18:16.52
which is what these
people are claiming.
00:18:16.52\00:18:18.36
And no, let's
just look at the Bible
00:18:18.36\00:18:20.96
the way that Jesus did.
00:18:20.96\00:18:22.20
It's God's word,
it's authoritative,
00:18:22.20\00:18:23.73
it's accurate
from the very beginning
00:18:23.73\00:18:24.70
to the very end.
00:18:24.70\00:18:26.00
And we're to follow his example.
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- For the non-believer
they can trust that it's real.
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For the Christian, you'd better
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get your act
together a little bit
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and believe what it
says, because if you believe
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in evolution
you've got a problem.
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- But, we're not
basing, I'm not basing
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my faith in nothing.
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It's not just well, you
know, you hear so often,
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God said it I believe it.
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I don't think he ever
asks us to believe things
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without an awful
lot of evidence that we
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can hang that belief on.
00:18:53.50\00:18:55.23
- Yeah, if you look
at Hebrews 11, the faith
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hall of fame, how
does it define faith?
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Faith is the substance of
things hoped for, the evidence
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of things not seen.
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The word evidence is
part of the definition
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of faith in the Bible,
and I think my favorite
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example of faith in
scripture is in that chapter
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it talks about how
Abraham was willing
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to sacrifice Isaac.
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You know, jokingly
I say it's because he
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was a teenage
boy, so I get it, okay.
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I've got a teenage boy, too.
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If the Lord
said, kill him, okay,
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I've been waitin' for that one.
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(laughing)
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I love my boy.
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- Better erase that in the tape.
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(laughing)
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- But, what does it tell us?
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Abraham reasoned,
this is his faith,
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Abraham reasoned that
God would bring him back
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from the dead.
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Why?
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Because God had
already told Abraham,
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it's through Isaac all
of this is gonna happen.
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And then God shows
up and says, Abraham,
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now sacrifice your son.
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Abraham thinks it
through and he's like,
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if I do it it's on you, God.
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You've gotta raise him.
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Okay, I'll do it.
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Because he knew
God was trustworthy.
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Faith is about
trusting in the one
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who has shown
himself to be trustworthy
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time and time and time again.
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And of course, God
stopped Abraham from doing it.
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And God himself
was the one who sent
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his Son and sacrificed
his Son on our behalf.
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- So, if I walked in here
and I'm one of the, I think
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you said about
30% of the visitors
00:20:08.50\00:20:10.97
you get here are not
believers or unchurched.
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If I was one of
those, hey, let's go
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and just see what
these stupid people
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have put together,
you know, so and have fun
00:20:19.18\00:20:21.58
picking it all apart,
what are maybe one or two
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of the pieces of
evidence that you would say,
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okay, look at this?
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- Yeah, I think
when you're dealing
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with the Ark itself, you're
looking at the feasibility.
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You know, could you
really fit all the animals
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on the Ark, and we've
talked about that before
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in a previous show,
that yeah, that's feasible.
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That can happen.
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Look how big the Ark is.
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Here's how much space they had.
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Here's how many animals.
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That works.
00:20:46.78\00:20:47.98
And so, I think
people can understand
00:20:47.98\00:20:49.24
it from that perspective.
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One of the things we talk
about at the Creation Museum,
00:20:50.75\00:20:52.48
we have archeological evidence
00:20:52.48\00:20:53.88
that is
consistent with the Bible,
00:20:53.88\00:20:55.52
and we were talking
before we started filming.
00:20:55.52\00:20:57.02
- Scientology never
disproves scripture.
00:20:57.02\00:20:59.29
- No no no, there
have been thousands
00:20:59.29\00:21:01.12
of sites that have
been found and discovered
00:21:01.12\00:21:03.36
because they're
exactly where the Bible
00:21:03.36\00:21:04.79
said they would be
and the Bible's been used
00:21:04.79\00:21:07.13
as a map to find the location
of these ancient places.
00:21:07.13\00:21:09.90
And over and over
again skeptics will say
00:21:09.90\00:21:12.27
things like, oh,
there's never any evidence
00:21:12.27\00:21:14.14
for the Hittite
people, and you know, we heard
00:21:14.14\00:21:16.27
that up until t 1906,
when the Hittite culture,
00:21:16.27\00:21:19.37
national library
with 30,000 clay tablets,
00:21:19.37\00:21:21.54
all of these
things were discovered
00:21:21.54\00:21:22.61
and we know how
their whole empire,
00:21:22.61\00:21:25.48
we know about all
of those things now.
00:21:25.48\00:21:27.02
Or David never existed.
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He was more like a
you know, a King Arthur
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type figure for the
Israelites and it was written
00:21:30.39\00:21:31.99
hundreds of years later.
00:21:31.99\00:21:32.82
- Mythological figure.
00:21:32.82\00:21:33.89
- Yeah, until we
found the Tel Dan Stele
00:21:33.89\00:21:34.99
that talked about
the House of David,
00:21:34.99\00:21:36.93
meaning that it was a
kingly line from David,
00:21:36.93\00:21:39.26
and it was from
about 150 years after him.
00:21:39.26\00:21:40.96
And Goliath wasn't a
real person, you know,
00:21:40.96\00:21:44.47
the giant that
David fought against.
00:21:44.47\00:21:46.47
And then, in the town
of Gath, what do they find?
00:21:46.47\00:21:48.37
They find
potsherds that have the name,
00:21:48.37\00:21:50.34
very similar to
the name Goliath,
00:21:50.34\00:21:52.17
and from the same time period.
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Meaning, that name was
used in Gath at that time.
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It wasn't
something written hundreds
00:21:57.45\00:21:58.78
of years later
that was just made up.
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These were
people who were writing
00:22:00.48\00:22:02.58
about things that they
saw, that they witnessed.
00:22:02.58\00:22:04.52
- What about
evidence for the flood?
00:22:04.52\00:22:06.02
If you, in the
world that we see today,
00:22:06.02\00:22:08.42
if you travel to
national parks or whatever,
00:22:08.42\00:22:13.40
where can you see the flood?
00:22:13.40\00:22:15.23
- All over, all over.
00:22:15.23\00:22:17.27
I mean, Grand Canyon.
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- I think of the Grand Canyon.
00:22:18.07\00:22:19.13
- Yeah, the Grand
Canyon is a great example.
00:22:19.13\00:22:20.24
You have a mile
worth of these rock layers
00:22:20.24\00:22:23.47
and those were nearly all
laid down during the flood.
00:22:23.47\00:22:27.21
And there's so
much scientific research
00:22:27.21\00:22:31.11
that has gone into that.
00:22:31.11\00:22:32.25
In fact, just recently,
our geologist on staff,
00:22:32.25\00:22:34.82
Dr. Andrew
Snelling, was able, he had
00:22:34.82\00:22:37.02
to sue the park
service in order to get
00:22:37.02\00:22:38.32
the samples because
they wouldn't let him get it.
00:22:38.32\00:22:40.42
They said, no, we
want just science here.
00:22:40.42\00:22:41.76
He was granted new science,
because there are places
00:22:41.76\00:22:44.86
in the Grand
Canyon where you have
00:22:44.86\00:22:45.93
these folds and
bends of you know dozens
00:22:45.93\00:22:48.96
and dozens of
feet of rock layers.
00:22:48.96\00:22:50.47
- How did that
happen over a million years,
00:22:50.47\00:22:51.30
that it folded?
00:22:51.30\00:22:52.57
- If you get all
these rock layers
00:22:52.57\00:22:53.84
that slowly,
gradually form over you know,
00:22:53.84\00:22:55.97
thousands, hundreds
of thousands of years,
00:22:55.97\00:22:57.27
and then something
happened to cause them
00:22:57.27\00:22:58.64
to warp upward
and down, they would
00:22:58.64\00:23:00.21
fracture and break.
00:23:00.21\00:23:01.54
And yet, we have
all these layers,
00:23:01.54\00:23:03.38
you know, 50 feet
tall, of all these layers
00:23:03.38\00:23:05.18
where they're bent
and folded like this
00:23:05.18\00:23:06.88
and they're not cracked.
00:23:06.88\00:23:08.58
And so, how does that happen?
00:23:08.58\00:23:09.58
Well, you know,
through enough pressure
00:23:09.58\00:23:13.89
you can heat it up
and the rock can change,
00:23:13.89\00:23:15.92
and that's true.
00:23:15.92\00:23:18.73
But then then
chemical composition changes.
00:23:18.73\00:23:21.03
And so, what Dr.
Snelling wanted to do was
00:23:21.03\00:23:22.36
let's grab some
samples from those
00:23:22.36\00:23:23.83
different bends and
folds and everything
00:23:23.83\00:23:25.23
and check the
chemical composition.
00:23:25.23\00:23:27.57
He just published his
first paper on it just
00:23:27.57\00:23:29.74
about two months ago.
00:23:29.74\00:23:30.74
The chemical
composition has not changed,
00:23:30.74\00:23:33.81
meaning all of those
layers were laid down quickly
00:23:33.81\00:23:35.88
and were still soft
when they were bent,
00:23:35.88\00:23:38.05
which is perfectly consistent
with the worldwide flood.
00:23:38.05\00:23:40.98
- And actually
seems more logical.
00:23:40.98\00:23:42.82
- I was actually
just in Mount St. Helens,
00:23:42.82\00:23:45.05
the, what they call
the little Grand Canyon,
00:23:45.05\00:23:47.92
one 40th the size
of the Grand Canyon,
00:23:47.92\00:23:49.22
two weeks ago I
was down there hiking
00:23:49.22\00:23:50.83
and pretty neat to see.
00:23:50.83\00:23:53.33
- And as we know, it
took millions of years.
00:23:53.33\00:23:55.73
- Of course, it
took one mud flow.
00:23:55.73\00:23:57.80
I mean, this canyon
was carved out in a day.
00:23:57.80\00:24:01.54
And what Mount St.
Helens did in a small,
00:24:01.54\00:24:04.31
you know, it's a
little volcano by contrast
00:24:04.31\00:24:07.08
to a lotta the
other ones, it created
00:24:07.08\00:24:09.11
this laboratory that
scientists can go look
00:24:09.11\00:24:10.95
at and say, wow, all
of this catastrophic stuff
00:24:10.95\00:24:12.85
can happen rapidly.
00:24:12.85\00:24:14.28
It does not take
millions of years.
00:24:14.28\00:24:15.78
And it was
extraordinary to be down there
00:24:15.78\00:24:18.29
walkin' around
lookin' at those things.
00:24:18.29\00:24:19.62
- It's so difficult to
look at the Grand Canyon,
00:24:19.62\00:24:21.66
even when I wasn't
a believer, and think
00:24:21.66\00:24:24.43
how did that little
river make all of this?
00:24:24.43\00:24:27.50
Well, they add
millions of years and it works.
00:24:27.50\00:24:29.90
No, it doesn't.
00:24:29.90\00:24:30.97
- It would have to
flow uphill for millions
00:24:30.97\00:24:32.03
of years first to
get in there because.
00:24:32.03\00:24:33.94
Yeah, that's the thing.
00:24:33.94\00:24:36.40
We were talking
about how do you, you know,
00:24:36.40\00:24:38.57
people look at the same evidence
00:24:38.57\00:24:39.61
and have different conclusions.
00:24:39.61\00:24:41.64
You can stand at the
rim of the Grand Canyon
00:24:41.64\00:24:42.71
as a person who
believes what the Bible says
00:24:42.71\00:24:45.71
about creation and
the flood, or get somebody
00:24:45.71\00:24:47.82
who believes in
the millions of years
00:24:47.82\00:24:49.15
and one person will say,
look at that, a lotta water,
00:24:49.15\00:24:51.29
a little bit of time.
00:24:51.29\00:24:52.39
And another person
would say, that was
00:24:52.39\00:24:54.09
a little bit of water
over a long period of time.
00:24:54.09\00:24:56.49
Well, which one do we observe?
00:24:56.49\00:24:57.59
We've observed
canyons being formed rapidly
00:24:57.59\00:24:59.29
by a lotta water
rushing through there.
00:24:59.29\00:25:01.86
- One of the things you
focus on too, Ark Encounter
00:25:03.20\00:25:05.20
in ministry is creation.
00:25:05.20\00:25:07.90
If someone wanted to
just you know find out
00:25:07.90\00:25:11.07
a little more about
creation, where would they look?
00:25:11.07\00:25:13.68
- Well, a great
place would be our website,
00:25:13.68\00:25:16.14
answersingenesis.org.
00:25:16.14\00:25:17.28
We've got
thousands of articles dealing
00:25:17.28\00:25:18.38
with you know,
all of these issues,
00:25:18.38\00:25:21.22
so-called
contradictions in the Bible
00:25:21.22\00:25:22.95
or you know these
claims that the Bible's
00:25:22.95\00:25:26.69
not scientifically
accurate, historically accurate.
00:25:26.69\00:25:28.69
We have so many
articles on apologetics,
00:25:28.69\00:25:30.99
Christian living,
all sorts of things
00:25:30.99\00:25:33.03
that people can find there.
00:25:33.03\00:25:34.10
It's always a
wealth of information.
00:25:34.10\00:25:35.20
We've got a lotta books
on those topics as well.
00:25:35.20\00:25:37.20
So, check out the
bookstore while you're there
00:25:37.20\00:25:38.93
and you'll find a lotta things.
00:25:38.93\00:25:40.97
- My husband
doesn't like how often
00:25:40.97\00:25:42.40
I'm on that website.
00:25:42.40\00:25:43.34
(laughing)
00:25:43.34\00:25:45.64
- Well, Tim, I just
can't tell you how much
00:25:47.08\00:25:48.61
I appreciate your
time with us and sharing
00:25:48.61\00:25:50.98
these things,
letting people know
00:25:50.98\00:25:52.31
that you know, this is true,
00:25:52.31\00:25:53.62
and there's a lot
of scientific evidence
00:25:53.62\00:25:55.75
to back it up, isn't there?
00:25:55.75\00:25:56.79
- Yeah, there sure is.
00:25:56.79\00:25:57.99
The Bible rightly
interpreted will always match
00:25:57.99\00:26:01.46
God's world,
rightly interpreted,
00:26:01.46\00:26:04.46
because it's true
from beginning to end.
00:26:04.46\00:26:07.96
- Thank you so much.
00:26:07.96\00:26:08.90
- You're very welcome.
00:26:08.90\00:26:10.80
- Hey Janice, how're you doin'?
00:26:12.00\00:26:13.17
- Hey, you wrote another book.
00:26:13.17\00:26:15.70
- I did, had a
burden on my heart
00:26:15.70\00:26:17.41
and God helped me get it done.
00:26:17.41\00:26:19.47
- So, The Plan of Love.
00:26:19.47\00:26:21.38
What's it about?
00:26:22.28\00:26:23.38
- Well, it's really
about God in eternity
00:26:23.38\00:26:25.91
saw everything that
was going to happen here
00:26:25.91\00:26:28.55
and his amazing
love, he says, I'm going
00:26:28.55\00:26:31.52
to take care of the problems.
00:26:31.52\00:26:32.59
I'm going to take
care of the situation
00:26:32.59\00:26:33.96
by giving my own life.
00:26:33.96\00:26:35.32
He did all that.
00:26:36.29\00:26:37.89
But, we've been lied
to so much we don't see
00:26:37.89\00:26:40.16
what God has planned for us,
00:26:40.16\00:26:41.56
what God is doing for us.
00:26:41.56\00:26:43.40
Matter of fact,
the angel came down
00:26:43.40\00:26:45.00
to Mary and said, you
shall call his name Jesus
00:26:45.00\00:26:48.40
for he shall save his
people from their sins.
00:26:48.40\00:26:51.31
Notice it wasn't in, but from.
00:26:51.31\00:26:53.71
- Where can people get the book?
00:26:53.71\00:26:55.34
- Hey, I'm glad you asked.
00:26:55.34\00:26:56.88
Folks, if you'd like
your own personal copy
00:26:56.88\00:26:58.81
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- [Janice] Or more.
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00:27:07.59\00:27:09.42
Thank you so much.
00:27:09.42\00:27:10.53
Did you realize that
the bible was written
00:27:14.50\00:27:16.43
by about 40
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Can you imagine any
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00:27:19.80\00:27:22.07
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