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- Welcome everyone.
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We're excited to share
some country wisdom with you.
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- King Solomon had
a thing or two to say
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about the path to wisdom.
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In Proverbs 4 he wrote,
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"Let your eyes
look directly forward
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and your gaze be
straight before you.
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Keep straight
the path of your feet
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and all your ways will be sure."
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- Join us now
for "Country Wisdom".
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(gentle music)
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(upbeat music)
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(hammering)
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- This whole array, I saw
this table when we walked in,
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I don't even
recognize some of these things.
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- [Jim] Knives,
hammers, all those good things.
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- They all look fairly lethal,
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but they're not
just, you know, for show,
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they actually are useful.
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And I love some
of the items we have.
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It made me immediately
think of transformation
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because none of this started
out looking the way it is.
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None of this started out being
as useful as it is right now.
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I know one of the
pieces that struck me,
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I saw this, what is
this ax or tomahawk?
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I can never
remember which is which.
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- Sure, it works.
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- And I thought, ooh,
that's such a neat pattern here.
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And then I found out
that's because it was remade
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from an old farriers rasp.
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- [Jim] Yup.
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- You know, this,
it had gotten dull.
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It wasn't useful, tossed aside.
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And the blacksmith's,
one of the guys here said,
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oh, you know, I can
make something out of that.
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- You know, and that's
what the Lord tells us.
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Be therefore transformed
by the renewing of your mind.
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Well, how does that happen?
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You know, we don't
like the process sometimes.
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The process can
be pretty difficult.
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Matter of fact, you look at this
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and I kind of think, God
maybe used that, you know?
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- [Janice] Is it a club?
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- Well, it's an
old chunk of a truck.
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Just say that, you know,
and this is what it became,
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a useful tool.
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- Okay, what chunk
of a truck was that?
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- Oh, what was that?
I even forgot. (laughs)
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Come on. I'm not a, I'm not a...
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An axle? - [Man] An axle.
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I think it was an
axle. - [Man] Trunk axle.
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I had to look for somebody
else. What is it, you know?
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This is a truck axle and it
became this, a useful hammer.
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Here's another one,
another useful hammer.
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But it didn't...
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- That was also
made out of a truck axle?
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- It didn't get there
just by sitting on the table.
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You know, somebody
had to take that thing
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and put it in
the fire and pound it
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and put it in water
and take it out and work it
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and work it and
work it, work it.
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And that, God
says He's the refiner.
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- Right, He's
the refiner's fire,
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that none of us
voluntarily wants to go into.
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- Who wants to do that?
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- But you have to, to have
the impurities taken out of you.
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- Yeah. - First of all, though,
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someone had to have the
eye to look at this thing.
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- [Jim] I think I'll back
up from you just a little bit.
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- You picked it up
with one hand, I'm going oh.
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Someone had to look at
this and go, and have the vision
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that it could be something else.
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- Something else.
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- That it had not come to
the end of its usefulness.
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- They looked in
there and saw (metal clanks)
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(both laugh)
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I'll start again.
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They looked in there and
saw, there's a hammer in there.
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I can make a
useful tool, you know?
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And I think that's
what God is looking for,
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with each one of us, is
to make us useful tools.
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And the interesting thing is,
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I'll set my Bible
down for a minute,
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not every tool is the same,
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not everything
is the same at all.
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Matter of fact, look at this.
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Now you recognize it.
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- That is a
hunking piece of wire.
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- Yeah, yeah, cable.
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- Cable. That's the right word.
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- Heavy-duty
cable. I mean, each...
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- See how
industrial I am. (laughs)
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- There you go.
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But you look at this and
you think about it and okay,
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I see these out in
the woods all the time.
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Loggers, you know,
pull logs with them.
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After a while they
break, the ends fray
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and they just leave them there.
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- Oh, you can see that one
fraying on the end right there.
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- But an industrious person,
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you know, they can
do something with it.
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I'm gonna sneak over
here and grab the knife.
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They can make a
very useful tool.
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- Then I'm going to
hide behind the shield.
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(both laugh)
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- Now that's no
fair, you're cheating.
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- I love history. My
eyes immediately went to this
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and some of the
armor they have everywhere.
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- Yeah, but you
can make so many things
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and I think that's
what God sees in the world.
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- So, because I
was admiring my shield,
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the knife was
made from the cable?
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- Lookit, you can still
see the individual strands
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of the cable in there.
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- [Janice] Oh my
goodness, you can.
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- [Jim] All these
little individual strands.
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Which means, an
interesting thing to me is,
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we don't
completely lose everything.
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You know, God simply
transforms what's there
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like a worm to a
butterfly, right?
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It's still the same creature,
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but it becomes
totally transformed.
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One crawls on the
ground, crawl through the mud,
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the other one
flies through the sky.
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- There's another object lesson
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that popped into my
head looking at that,
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where you can see the
individual little wires
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that are still
embedded in there.
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And it reminded me
of the body of Christ.
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All those little pieces
that get forged together
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to become
something that's more useful.
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- Yeah. Yeah.
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And there's just so many
tools we could pick up here.
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You look at this, this
did did not start out...
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- Now I do need the shield.
(laughs) I'm stepping aside.
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- This did not start
out as an amazing knife.
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I mean, they've
got more work to do
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and filing and
sharpening and things.
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I think about, even with
Jesus. Jesus was our example.
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When he was
baptized, what happened?
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He came up out of
the water and you think,
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oh great, that's
it, wonderful life now.
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Go off, be a happy Christian.
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Except there was a problem.
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The Holy Spirit, it said,
drove him into the wilderness.
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What happened in the wilderness?
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- It was not a vacation.
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- It was not a vacation, no.
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Devil pounds him and
pounds him and pounds him
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and hammers on him,
all of these things.
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But he withstood
it through God's power
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and he came out as
totally victorious.
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God's looking for
that for you and me.
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- In Scripture, it talks
about Christ being, you know,
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God is the potter
and we're the clay,
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and that is so much more
of a gentle shaping process.
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But there are
verses that also talk about
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a much harsher process
that God puts us through.
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We mentioned refiner's fire
and fire is involved in this
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and I'm losing which verse
it is, but I know it's there
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where God actually
refers to himself as a hammer.
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Where he's gonna beat
us into what we need to be.
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- There are so many
Scriptures that talk about that.
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We're going to get
together with Dusty,
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the blacksmith's
here, pretty soon.
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He's probably got most of
those off the top of his head.
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You know, being a blacksmith
and being in this area,
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I've got a feeling he's
read those scriptures many times
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and thought
about that. You know?
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So I'm looking
forward to talking with him.
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- About just what a
master blacksmith does,
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to get a finished product.
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- What is that real
process to get to that point,
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to form something
beautiful, something different,
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something that's
continues to be useful.
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Really you could,
you could look at this,
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what you brought
up for, you know, the,
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the horseshoers
rasp to file hooves,
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it got dull and
he threw it away.
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The blacksmith looked at that
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and saw another
beautiful tool, you know?
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And I think that's what
God does with each one of us.
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God is the God
of second chances.
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That's what really cool.
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- You might think that you're
washed up, beat up, useless
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and God's eye sees
something else in you
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that you don't know is there.
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- I love what he said.
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He sees the end
from the beginning
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and I don't know how God
does that, but he's eternal.
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He steps in and out
of time and he looks,
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and he sees our
ultimate end down there
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'cause he's right
there and then he comes back
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and he looks at you and says,
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okay, I need to fashion this,
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I need to change
this, I need to mold this
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because I've got
this beautiful thing
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I'm going to take you
toward, and he's incredible.
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- I don't know about you,
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but when I'm going through
what I consider a trial by fire,
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or I feel like, I'm
just getting, you know,
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hammered by life,
we've all had those periods.
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I don't take it very gracefully.
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I tend to whine and
it's the why me, you know,
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why is this happening?
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But what if the lumps of
metal that blacksmiths work with
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complained the whole time.
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What are you doing to me?
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Why are you
allowing me in the furnace?
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- Kicking and
screaming and running away.
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- 'Cause they can't
see the end, obviously.
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And sometimes we're a lot,
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not a lot more useful than
inanimate objects like this.
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We don't have a
whole lot more foresight
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or maybe I'm just
talking about myself,
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but it would, it's
good for us to remember
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if we're going through a
difficult time that, you know,
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if I let God
lead me through this,
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I'm going to come out a
lot stronger and a lot better.
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- That's the key, I think,
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to what they were
talking about in the Bible,
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rejoice in the fiery trials.
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I don't want to
rejoice in any fiery trials.
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- On the surface that
doesn't make sense, does it?
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- No, not at all.
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- What do you mean
rejoice in a fiery trial?
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- But as I begin
gaining the vision of God,
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as I began looking
through God's eyes,
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I begin seeing
what he's got in store.
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That's the amazing thing.
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But why don't we head
over, let's meet our...
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- Talk to a real
master blacksmith.
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- Talk to the real
master blacksmith, yeah.
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- Okay.
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- Hey Janice, how are you doing?
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- Hey, you wrote another book.
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- I did.
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Had a burden on my heart
and God helped me get it done.
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- So, "The Plan Of Love".
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What's it about?
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- Well, it's really
about God in eternity
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saw everything that
was going to happen here.
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In His amazing love He says,
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I'm going to take
care of the problems.
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I'm gonna take
care of the situation
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by giving my own life.
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He did all that, but
we've been lied to so much.
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We don't see what
God has planned for us,
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what God is doing for us.
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Matter of fact, the angel
came down to Mary and said,
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"You shall call his name Jesus
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for he shall save his
people from their sins."
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Notice it wasn't in, but from.
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- Where can people get the book?
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- Hey, I'm glad you asked.
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Folks if you'd like
your own personal copy,
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log on to
talkingdonkeyinternational.org.
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And oh please if you
would send us a donation of $12.
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- [Janice] Or more.
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- [Jim] Or more, and
we'll get you the book
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and I'll be happy
to sign it for you too.
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Thank you so much.
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(fire blazing)
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(hammering)
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(gentle music)
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That's amazing.
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Hello, Dusty.
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- Hey.
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- Thanks for
letting us join you today.
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- Keep that far away from
me, but I love being in here.
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I just don't like that.
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- Yeah, don't stop.
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I love watching
you do that, you know.
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- Well, I gotta let
it heat just a second.
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I got a second
piece I can start here.
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- So, you know, we've
been talking about God as the
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refiner. God is the one who
takes the real hammer to change
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us. Will you tell us a little
bit about what you're doing
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and why you do it?
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- [Janice] Because I
recognized immediately
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with things that
you and the guys made,
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that a whole process of
transformation is involved.
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And we were seeing some of
the spiritual applications,
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but you have a much better idea
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of what that
transformation looks like,
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both in a piece of
metal and in our own lives.
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- Well, it started out
as I was just interested,
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I enjoyed metal and
working with my hands
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and we got to a point
where I got a chance to learn
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and grow on this skill
by a number of gentlemen
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in different
places here in the area,
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Choo Choo Forge among others.
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And they were kind
enough to teach me as we went.
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- It's just too
close. (Janet laughs)
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- I won't get you, I
won't brand you but once.
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- How hot is that furnace?
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- We're running
somewhere around 1,600 to 1,800.
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- [Jim] You almost
think about the three Hebrews
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in the furnace,
heated at seven times hotter.
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Just out of
curiosity as a blacksmith,
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how hot do you
think that furnace was?
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- That is something
I have really wondered
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because especially since...
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- Well, and then
Nebuchadnezzar said,
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heated seven times hotter
than whatever it had been.
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- Well, yeah, and
that's something that I have,
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I've not had a
chance to research,
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but in the
thinking I'm also a welder
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and you've gotta keep
in mind that electric arc
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is over 6,000 degrees,
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which is supposed to be
close to what the sun heat is.
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Now, I'm not saying
they got it that hot,
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but we also have
found out from history
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that they knew a
lot about this stuff
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and were doing unbelievable
things with this heat.
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You gotta keep in
mind too, that the seven,
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the guys that threw Shadrach,
Meshach and Abednego in, died.
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- From being that close.
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- From being that
close to that heat.
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- Well, I can even, right here.
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I'm glad Janice is on this
side of me because it is hot.
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- [Janice]
(laughs) Thanks, thanks.
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- [Dusty] Well, it's
not uncommon to have no hair
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on the back of my hands.
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- [Jim] Really?
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- It happens very
quickly, very easily,
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but yeah, I have often wondered
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what that seven
times hotter actually was.
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And, it also says in
there that Nebuchadnezzar
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got as close as he dared.
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So that tells you
there had to be some serious
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radiant heat on this.
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What that is, it
had to be well over two,
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close to 3,000
degrees minimum in there
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where those guys were walking.
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And that literally almost
makes steel start to disappear,
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close to start to liquefying.
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- [Both] So when...
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- It's superhuman then, when
these guys are walking around.
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- [Dusty] Yeah.
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- What does a piece of
metal have to go through
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from, you know, you
look at it and you're going,
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I could make
something out of this.
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How do you do it?
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The reader's digest
version. (Dusty laughs)
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- You know, it's really
interesting you use that
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because there's so much to
what it takes to make metal
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is a lot of the same processes
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as it is to actually do this.
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What we've done is they
have actually made the steel
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and then we take pieces
and look at them and say,
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I wanna try this, or I think
we can make this out of it.
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It's very similar to clay.
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The description in the Bible
is about clay is very simple,
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but that's what some artists do,
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is they will
actually take modeling clay,
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use the same
tools to do with that,
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so they know when
they come to the steel,
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what it's gonna do in the
heat and how it's gonna react
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and have a good idea
where they're started with it
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so that it gets
actually the same thing.
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It's just that it takes more
force, more energy, more heat.
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And that tells us that
we are probably further away
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from Christ than if
we were more like clay.
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- Pick up an example. Let's say,
00:15:29.82\00:15:31.89
let's say that
truck axle I picked up,
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how do you end up, real briefly,
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but with that truck
axle to a beautiful knife?
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What do you have to go through?
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What it's have to
go through actually?
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- Well, for the
knife, we would cut the,
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we would start
flattening it out, shaping it.
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First thing we
would do once we got close
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would be to kneel it
and put it, get it very hot,
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put it in the sand
and let it cool down,
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finish shaping it.
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Then we would sand it,
grind it, that process.
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- Gotta interrupt you.
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I'm thinking, why
put it in the sand?
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Why not, you've got
a thing of water here,
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why not put it in the water?
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- Well, you put it in the water,
it tightens everything up.
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The crystalline structure
starts to get real tight,
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it'll be brittle.
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In fact, I got something
I think we can do that with.
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It's a file,
which is fairly high.
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High carbon.
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I put it, quenched it in water.
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(metal being tapped)
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That should've
bent, instead it broke.
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- So when God talks
about really being the master
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and the master blacksmith,
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he knows exactly how
much heat each one can take
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and what it takes to
cool down and refine us.
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- Oh, definitely,
not only individually,
00:16:53.61\00:16:55.91
but he knows that
as far as individual,
00:16:55.91\00:17:00.98
but as a church and
not only as a church,
00:17:02.08\00:17:04.49
but as a church body and
how to get the message across.
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You know, last night when
we were here working together,
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you saw how we were pounding
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and how we had to work together.
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- [Janice] Right. It
took a whole team of you
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to beat whatever
that was into submission.
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- [Dusty] And it takes
time, but it took a lot,
00:17:20.40\00:17:22.47
but there was also a lot of
coordination and understanding
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and making sure that
we didn't hit each other
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or hit the anvil, which
would damage it potentially
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as well as other things.
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- Now, I'm sure as a blacksmith,
00:17:35.38\00:17:37.62
you have looked
at many Bible texts
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that refer to
God in that manner.
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Is there any, those
that jump out at you
00:17:41.76\00:17:44.36
that say, these
are special to me?
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- Well, one that
comes out quite often,
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both the Bible and
Ellen White refer to it,
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is being put in the fire to know
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what kind of
person you're gonna be,
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what kind of your character is,
00:17:59.17\00:18:00.44
because when you go in the heat,
00:18:00.44\00:18:02.64
depending on how it reacts,
especially when you get out,
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you're gonna start to
know and see how it responds
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to where if I'da just
done that with that file,
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it would've kept breaking,
it wouldn't have smoothed out
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and moved like I wanted it to.
00:18:15.42\00:18:17.06
Gonna need to keep
straightening there.
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But that file would
have just broken in pieces.
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It would've just kept breaking
because I had pulled it out
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and put it in that
water and quenched it.
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So it's uptight.
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That kneeling
makes us soft, pliable,
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much easier as
far as steel goes.
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- So there's a process
that you actually call kneeling?
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- [Dusty] A kneeling, yes.
00:18:44.62\00:18:45.75
- I kept thinking I
had to have been, you know,
00:18:45.75\00:18:46.79
mishearing you
because of the kneeling,
00:18:46.79\00:18:48.79
you're kneeling the metal.
00:18:48.79\00:18:49.82
- [Dusty] Although that helps,
00:18:49.82\00:18:50.86
- But...(Dusty laughs)
00:18:50.86\00:18:52.93
- [Jim] Yeah, very good ploy.
00:18:52.93\00:18:54.20
- Very good ploy
without actually realizing it.
00:18:54.20\00:18:56.53
- Another obvious
object lesson in this place
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that kneeling makes it
more softer and more pliable.
00:19:01.37\00:19:05.31
- Yeah. Really good point.
00:19:05.31\00:19:07.24
Is it my imagination? Look
what that's turning out to be.
00:19:07.24\00:19:08.91
- That's turning into a cross.
00:19:08.91\00:19:10.61
- [Jim] Yeah.
00:19:10.61\00:19:12.41
(hammering)
00:19:12.41\00:19:13.82
- Yeah, there isn't, you know,
00:19:13.82\00:19:15.18
you guys talked about
two over there on the table.
00:19:15.18\00:19:17.59
I noticed that you had
a piece of cable held up.
00:19:17.59\00:19:20.69
And when you look at that
and you may have mentioned
00:19:20.69\00:19:22.69
all those different little
wires, that's like the church.
00:19:22.69\00:19:26.39
- I did. It naturally came to me
00:19:26.39\00:19:28.53
that you have all
the individual pieces
00:19:28.53\00:19:31.30
that come together to create
something strong and useful.
00:19:31.30\00:19:34.24
- Well, how much do you
think one of those little wires
00:19:34.24\00:19:36.30
would hold by itself?
00:19:36.30\00:19:37.51
A fair amount, but you know,
00:19:38.31\00:19:39.57
but when you start
adding those all together
00:19:39.57\00:19:41.68
and if you notice they had
not only each individual wire,
00:19:41.68\00:19:44.41
but then you
had groups of wires.
00:19:44.41\00:19:46.55
Talk to go back to small groups
00:19:47.35\00:19:48.72
like we talked about
a little bit last night.
00:19:48.72\00:19:50.42
- They hold up
entire bridges, right?
00:19:50.42\00:19:52.32
- Yeah. You're
talking about holding bridges.
00:19:52.32\00:19:54.76
You're talking
about holding ski trams,
00:19:54.76\00:19:58.89
you know, all kinds
of different things.
00:20:00.03\00:20:02.50
And it's something
that is just really,
00:20:02.50\00:20:06.57
really been interesting to
learn and understand it more.
00:20:07.90\00:20:10.24
It's opened the
Bible even more to me
00:20:10.24\00:20:12.57
in ways that I didn't understand
00:20:12.57\00:20:15.31
because of doing this as a hobby
00:20:15.31\00:20:17.01
and learning about it and
what it does and doesn't do.
00:20:17.01\00:20:19.95
- I thought of
you, because I thought
00:20:19.95\00:20:22.08
I wasn't in the shop
more than a few minutes
00:20:22.08\00:20:24.72
and I'm seeing object lessons
00:20:24.72\00:20:26.92
and you spending
all the time you have,
00:20:26.92\00:20:29.46
all the years you have,
00:20:29.46\00:20:30.96
have to have seen even more,
00:20:30.96\00:20:32.76
have to come to a
much deeper understanding
00:20:32.76\00:20:35.73
of some of those Bible
verses that talk about God
00:20:35.73\00:20:39.97
as a hammer and a refiner.
00:20:39.97\00:20:41.64
- Well, not only the
hammer and the refiner,
00:20:41.64\00:20:43.84
but it talks too about the
gold and the heat and the flux
00:20:43.84\00:20:48.51
and all the things that
it goes into the silver.
00:20:48.51\00:20:51.11
And they call a
blacksmith a blacksmith
00:20:51.11\00:20:53.35
because they use black metal,
00:20:53.35\00:20:55.72
Goldsmith because they use
gold, silver because of silver,
00:20:55.72\00:20:58.42
but a lot of us the
same thing, it's different.
00:20:58.42\00:21:00.32
Copper Smith is different.
00:21:00.32\00:21:01.79
And each of those
metals respond differently
00:21:01.79\00:21:03.79
and handle differently.
00:21:03.79\00:21:05.29
- You mentioned the silver
and all the time I was thinking
00:21:06.66\00:21:09.06
I heard, and you can tell
me if this story rings true.
00:21:09.06\00:21:12.47
This lady went
into this silversmith
00:21:12.47\00:21:15.90
and talked to him
about the process.
00:21:15.90\00:21:18.07
So we talked about the
heating and the cooling,
00:21:18.07\00:21:20.11
how to get rid of
all the impurities.
00:21:20.11\00:21:22.31
The story went on quite
a while in the explanation.
00:21:22.31\00:21:24.98
And then she started to walk
out and she came back and said,
00:21:24.98\00:21:27.25
well, how do you know
when it's truly finished?
00:21:27.25\00:21:30.35
When you're all done?
00:21:30.35\00:21:31.69
He said, when I can see my
image reflected in the silver.
00:21:31.69\00:21:34.62
Wow, that's
Christ, isn't it, you know.
00:21:35.76\00:21:38.03
He's looking to
reflect himself in us.
00:21:38.03\00:21:40.23
- Oh, definitely.
00:21:40.23\00:21:42.00
And there's, there, yeah.
00:21:42.00\00:21:43.33
If you've ever
watched silver being melted,
00:21:43.33\00:21:45.80
when it gets close to
when it's being purified,
00:21:45.80\00:21:49.67
it is very, very close to
a mirror in the top of that,
00:21:49.67\00:21:53.94
you know, on the very
top of this melting area.
00:21:55.94\00:21:58.25
But if you watch, copper
does the same thing, silver,
00:21:58.25\00:22:01.42
they get very shiny, very
well-placed in how it goes.
00:22:01.42\00:22:06.32
And there's
much to it, you know,
00:22:06.32\00:22:10.49
even in the molecular structure
of steel there's messages.
00:22:10.49\00:22:15.53
You know, the more heat
and the more times we cycle,
00:22:16.87\00:22:18.23
when I say cycle, we bring
it up to more than red hot,
00:22:18.23\00:22:21.44
put it back in the furnace
00:22:21.44\00:22:22.80
and then bring it
back out to magnetic,
00:22:23.87\00:22:25.81
cool it down to magnetic,
and then put it back in,
00:22:25.81\00:22:28.48
that breaks down the
actual small structure
00:22:28.48\00:22:31.61
to smaller and
smaller molecules.
00:22:31.61\00:22:34.32
And it also
helps move the carbon,
00:22:34.32\00:22:36.08
which holds an edge
or toughens the steel
00:22:36.08\00:22:39.32
to the outside of the molecule
00:22:39.32\00:22:40.89
and that's just a
small explanation.
00:22:42.39\00:22:45.59
You start
getting into specialties
00:22:45.59\00:22:46.83
and it can go even crazier.
00:22:46.83\00:22:49.03
- There's another
aspect of transformation, oops,
00:22:49.03\00:22:52.97
that I thought of as well.
00:22:52.97\00:22:55.24
Because as fascinating as
it is to watch you transforming
00:22:55.24\00:22:58.91
whatever chunk of
metal you started with,
00:22:58.91\00:23:01.11
you work with a lot
of young men and women.
00:23:02.21\00:23:07.28
I met a female one last night.
00:23:08.08\00:23:09.38
You're helping
to transform them,
00:23:11.39\00:23:14.32
not just transforming metal,
you're transforming people.
00:23:14.32\00:23:19.39
And I suspect that
some of that transformation
00:23:20.50\00:23:23.77
goes both directions.
00:23:23.77\00:23:25.20
- Well, thank you
for that compliment,
00:23:25.20\00:23:27.04
but I'm not the
one transforming.
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I'm just the tool.
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- [Janice] Okay.
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- God's doing
the transformation.
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He's using me and
the skills and the things
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that he's given me and the
abilities that he has made in
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me. He knew before I was
ever knit what I was capable of,
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and he chose that.
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I'm not a person
that has a huge education.
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I've struggled with
education and other things,
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but hands,
working with my hands,
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and thinking outside the box
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has been something
that's been very good for me
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and I've done well with it.
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And so God has actually used
that to work with young people.
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I've actually worked with
young people most of my life
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in one way or another.
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- Just a minute,
I've gotta interrupt.
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We're almost out of time.
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You know how I always...
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- You're interrupting me again.
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- Yeah, one more time.
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We needed to get to the...
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I saw this, and only in
about a minute, actually.
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Can you tell us why
you're working on this
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and what you're doing?
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- This was one of
the first things I did,
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was I started from
the second "Sonrise",
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thinking of
what would it be like
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to have a crucifixion spike?
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And I didn't realize when
I started what it would do.
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It got emotional.
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It still does today
because you think about this,
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those guys made
this with a purpose.
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The square edges on this
cause more pain and injury.
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Square is easier to
punch through a bone
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and hold than round,
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but yet Christ didn't die
from the pain from this spike.
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He died from the
pain from our rejection
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or possible rejection.
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That's, that,
that affected me more
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and I never thought
that that would happen
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pounding on a piece of steel,
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the thought process
would affect me in that way.
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- Dusty, thank
you so much today.
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And folks, the nails
that Christ took on the cross,
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He did it for us,
you know, for all of us.
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And He wants to refine us,
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He wants to change us into
his image, after his likeness.
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Pretty incredible isn't it?
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- Well, there's one more thing.
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Here's the ultimate tool.
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- We'll look at that.
Is it cool? (all laugh)
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- [Dusty] Yes, it's cool.
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- Look at that. So you started
out with a piece of metal
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and we ended up with the cross.
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- What you just saw through
this, is that I did that.
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That one I made previous
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and there's the finished.
(Jim and Janice laugh nervously)
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You're okay, I
gotcha. (all laugh)
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- Now, that's amazing.
00:25:54.95\00:25:56.32
Folks, look at the cross.
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Jesus Christ will change you.
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(upbeat music) (skis shush)
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- Hey everyone.
00:26:09.56\00:26:10.90
Jim Ayer here for
Talking Donkey International.
00:26:10.90\00:26:12.70
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00:26:15.67\00:26:17.44
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00:26:17.44\00:26:19.54
But if you've
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00:26:19.54\00:26:21.61
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00:26:21.61\00:26:23.78
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00:26:23.78\00:26:24.98
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00:26:24.98\00:26:27.28
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00:26:27.28\00:26:28.85
And thank you so
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00:26:28.85\00:26:31.75
(gentle music)
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- Hey Janice, how are you doing?
00:26:37.56\00:26:39.43
- Hey, you wrote another book.
00:26:39.43\00:26:41.23
- I did.
00:26:41.23\00:26:42.60
Had a burden on my heart
and God helped me get it done.
00:26:42.60\00:26:44.97
- So, "The Plan Of Love".
00:26:44.97\00:26:47.00
What's it about?
00:26:47.80\00:26:48.90
- Well, it's really
about God in eternity
00:26:48.90\00:26:51.44
saw everything that
was going to happen here.
00:26:51.44\00:26:54.28
In His amazing love He says,
00:26:54.28\00:26:56.71
I'm going to take
care of the problems.
00:26:56.71\00:26:58.18
I'm gonna take
care of the situation
00:26:58.18\00:26:59.48
by giving my own life.
00:26:59.48\00:27:00.85
He did all that, but
we've been lied to so much.
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We don't see what
God has planned for us,
00:27:04.95\00:27:07.12
what God is doing for us.
00:27:07.12\00:27:09.32
Matter of fact, the angel
came down to Mary and said,
00:27:09.32\00:27:12.39
"You shall call his name Jesus
00:27:12.39\00:27:13.96
for he shall save his
people from their sins".
00:27:13.96\00:27:16.83
Notice it wasn't in, but from.
00:27:16.83\00:27:19.20
- Where can people get the book?
00:27:19.20\00:27:20.84
Hey, I'm glad you asked.
00:27:20.84\00:27:22.40
Folks, if you'd like
your own personal copy,
00:27:22.40\00:27:24.34
log on to
talkingdonkeyinternational.org.
00:27:24.34\00:27:27.04
And oh please, if you
would send us a donation of $12.
00:27:27.04\00:27:30.18
- [Janice] Or more.
00:27:30.18\00:27:31.28
- [Jim] Or more, and
we'll get you the book
00:27:31.28\00:27:33.08
and I'll be happy
to sign it for you too.
00:27:33.08\00:27:34.92
Thank you so much.
00:27:34.92\00:27:35.88
(gentle music)
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Thank you for watching.
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Join us again for another
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- See you next time.
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(gentle music)
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