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- Oh yes sir stay right there,
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stay right there
I'll be right back.
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Hey, welcome everybody to
Talking Donkey International
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and our new town
series Country Wisdom.
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- Let's set the tone
for this new series of ours.
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It's found in Proverbs 4,
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" Let your eyes
look directly forward
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"and your gaze be
straight before you.
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" Ponder the path of your feet.
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"And then all your
ways will be sure."
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- Join us now
for Country Wisdom.
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- Ever seen a real dragon?
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Silly question,
dragons don't roam the earth.
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I wouldn't be
too sure about that.
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Stay tuned to find out why
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- Jesus said today
is the day of salvation.
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Choose him today.
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But if you don't,
He's reserved hell fire
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and brimstone for you.
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He's reserved the
Lake of fire for you.
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Not for just a few
years not just 10,000 years,
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but for an eternity.
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Young lady, you need to
accept Jesus Christ today.
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He loves you.
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But for those that don't
love him, you'll burn forever.
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It's time today, I say you Him.
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It is time to accept
the love of Jesus Christ.
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If you don't, he's going
to toast you for eternity.
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- Jim, what are you doing?
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- I'm lying to everybody.
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- I know, why?
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- Well, because what these
hell fire brimstone preachers
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are preaching isn't the truth.
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It isn't God's word it.
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Isn't the love of God.
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Hold my Bible.
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I went through and searched
out a few of these quotes
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from hell fire brimstone
preachers, listen to this.
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"What will it be like
for a mother in heaven
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"who sees her
son burning in hell?
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"She will glory in
the justice of God."
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Can you imagine that?
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How would you as a mother feel?
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- I wouldn't be
glorying in anything
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- Listen, love and
pity for hell's occupants
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will not enter our hearts.
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So you're gonna see
them burning forever
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and it's not going
to enter our hearts.
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- It won't even affect us.
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- Won't even affect us.
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- No compassion?
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- You know, Isaac
Watts, listen to what he said,
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" What bliss will
fill the ransom souls
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" when they in glory
dwell to see the sinner
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" as he rolls in
quenchless flames of hell."
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- It does not sound like bliss.
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- That's not bliss at
all that that's horribleness.
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Here's another one.
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" Therefore the
elect shall go forth
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" to see the
torments of the impious,
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"seeing which they
will not be grieved,
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"but will be
satiated with joy at the sight
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" of the unutterable
calamity of the impious."
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- That's ridiculous.
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- Yeah, it's
absolutely horrible.
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The blessed will
see their friends
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and relations among the
damned as often as they like,
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but without the
least of compassion.
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- How can anybody
believe that this God
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the God of the
Bible is that kind of God,
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He creates you.
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He lovingly fashioned you.
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He comes and dies for you,
that you might have eternal life
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and then these
preachers are saying
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but God's going to
toast you for eternity.
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- Where did
those ideas come from?
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- From the devil
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- Did you know
that Satan is a liar?
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Yes, he is a liar.
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He would like you to
think that he runs around
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in a red suit with
horns and a pitchfork
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so you can easily
detect him if he is near,
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but that just isn't the case.
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He actually is sneaky,
deceptive, manipulative tricky,
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and can take on many
forms to deceive you.
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He would also
like you to believe
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that God roasts people
in an everlasting hell.
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Well that
absolutely isn't the truth
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Can you imagine the
God of the universe,
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our Savior, our
Creator taking pleasure
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in roasting people
in an eternal hell?
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I sure can't.
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Jesus loves you.
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He demonstrated that love when
He died on the cross for you.
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The very character of
God is love, compassion
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and freedom of choice.
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- Jim, you said
that the idea for an
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everlasting burning hell
where God is torturing sinners
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for eternity,
came from the devil.
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And that's very true.
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Most people, when
they imagine the devil,
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they think of that
creature, red horns and all,
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or something like this.
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And it's true.
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The Bible refers
to Satan as a dragon,
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but he never appears like that.
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If he did we'd run screaming
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because we would
know that is dangerous.
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And instead he
cloaks himself in something
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that looks perfectly harmless
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and before we know it
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we're listening to him
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- That's right
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- And his ideas are intriguing.
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They start to make sense.
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And some of them,
we never questioned.
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like would a God of love and
mercy burn me in hell forever?
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- Well, we've got to
understand is basically
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I think you said
sometime a little earlier
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Jesus is a dragon slayer.
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That's what we
need to understand.
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That's where we
need to flee to Him.
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That's our only safety
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- Because no dragon can stand
up to him not even the dragon
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- That dragon we just
saw is quite the attraction
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People driving by on the freeway
can't help, but notice it.
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And I've often thought
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Oh, that the real
dragon were that obvious.
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- Oh yeah but he isn't
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- No, the real dragon is
not just a cute attraction.
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- He really isn't.
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The thing is he has such
a liar, an absolute liar.
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It started all the
way back well, in heaven.
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We'd talked about that
I think in another episode
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of what a liar he is.
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Drew a third of
the angels with him.
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Gets down here to planet earth.
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Matter of fact, we take it
up in chapter three of Genesis.
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God basically
said to Adam and Eve,
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look there's a
little test here for you.
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I need to know if
you're going to be loyal to me.
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It's your choice but there's
a place out in the garden
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that just don't go
near this particular tree.
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It's the tree of
knowledge of good and evil.
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If you see it,
stay away from it.
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Well, Eve wanders
up toward that tree.
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She sees this beautiful serpent
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in the tree and this
serpent speaks in a human voice.
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Basically the devil
had possessed this serpent.
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And they start
in this conversation
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and the
conversation goes like this.
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The serpent, God had told
Eve the day you eat that fruit,
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you will die.
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That's pretty plain, isn't it?
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You're gonna die.
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But then the devil says,
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" And the serpent
said to the woman,
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"you shall not surely die "
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Two choices either
you're going to die
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or you're not going to die.
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- He says just the opposite.
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In fact, he started
out with a question.
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Did God really say that
if you ate this you'd die?
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- Put just a
little doubt in your mind,
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- Like, wait a minute.
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Is that what he said?
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Which should have, it
should have been obvious.
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God made no bones about it.
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Eat the fruit, you'll die.
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Should have been
the end of the story.
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- Janice, maybe you can
help me out to understand
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where people get this.
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God says, the
day you eat the fruit
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you're going to
die, plain and simple.
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You're going to die.
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Now it didn't
happen all at once.
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It was over a timeframe.
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He didn't strike them dead.
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They were just
over time begin to die
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- But the process of
death began at that moment
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- Began right then.
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The devil says, no,
you'll surely not die.
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And where do we get that
in mortality of humanity,
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of human beings?
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Where does that
come from in this text?
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- Right there because
he has implanted the idea
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that death really doesn't exist.
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It's just life
in a different form.
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And God said,
there's this consequence.
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And it's a big, bad consequence.
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And we've been told that,
Oh, it's not quite like that.
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- I can see it as our
street preaching was earlier.
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Look, it's all based
upon this right here.
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If you don't have, if you
believe the devil in this text
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then, okay, maybe
you could burn forever
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because you just go on
and on you'll never die.
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But if you
believe what God says,
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there is no way
you're gonna burn forever.
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Even if that was something
God said, and it isn't.
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Let me give you
another text here
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that will shed a
little more light on it.
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2nd Thessalonians, it's a
chapter one in verse nine.
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It talks about
God and punishment.
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It says
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" Who shall be punished
with everlasting destruction
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" from the presence of the Lord
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" and from the
glory of His power."
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- I think we've
latched onto the everlasting
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and not the fact that
it's everlasting destruction.
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There's no
coming back from that.
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- Yeah, no, let's set
it up here a little bit
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because basically God says look,
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I can't just go on
with all this sin forever
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because Adam and he blew it,
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a lot of the descendants
have been blowing it.
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we all blow it.
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But he says, I have
got to put an end to this
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at some time we've got to
get back to the perfect heaven
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that I created for
you in the beginning,
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we've gotta get back there.
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We've got to get back to it.
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Adam and Eve can be
restored to Prince and princess
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and all of us be
restored into the Royal family.
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But you can't do that
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if you've got
everybody else running around
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sinning, not believing
God, not wanting God at all
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not wanting any
part of the kingdom.
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At some point he says,
I'm just got out of love
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I got to put an end to it.
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So He says, here,
we shall be punished
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with an everlasting destruction
and you just nailed it.
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Everlasting destruction.
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If I go out and I
destroy something,
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how far is it destroyed?
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- And if God destroys it,
it's not ever bouncing back.
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- Yeah, it's everlasting.
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It's sealed it's
done it's final, right?
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It's kind of like in
scripture I think so many folks
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don't take all the
scriptures together.
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It's kind of like, do you
ever play a play with puzzles?
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Maybe that's
something I shouldn't ask you.
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(chuckles)
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- No, I love puzzles
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- Yeah, we get
those once in a while
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for Christmas time
and friends get together
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and 1000 piece
puzzles, 1500 piece puzzle.
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What's the first thing you do/
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- Well you pour all
the pieces out of the box
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and then you
start turning them over
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so that they're all facing up.
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And then I don't
know what your method is,
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but I'm looking
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for the four corner pieces
and then all the edge pieces.
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And then I start
filling it from there.
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- Pretty soon you fill it in.
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You never stop, do you?
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And say nope, it's all finished.
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Okay I know what
this piece is over here.
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And I've got a full
idea of all this over here.
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It doesn't
happen until you've got
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the whole thing completed.
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And I think that's the
way it is with the Bible.
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If you wanna know about
immortality of the soul and hell
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you flip all the
pieces over and begin looking
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at all the pieces and
fitting all the pieces together
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because well, what's an
old saying someone says,
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and so someone committed
suicide killed themselves
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and another text says
going ye and do likewise
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- Putting two pieces together
that weren't meant to fit.
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- They weren't enough to fit.
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You've got to fit all the
other parts together with it.
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- Sometimes I think
people don't examine
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where they've gotten
the ideas that they have.
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They've been passed down.
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They're so common.
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They're in so many religions,
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it's in every cathedral,
old cathedral that you go to,
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you see the stained-glass
pictures of the fires of hell.
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And I think we just don't
look at why do I believe that
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and does that match going
back to your puzzle analogy,
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the first thing I do is
prop up the picture on the box
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so that I am following the
there's the finished product.
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So I can tell if I've gotten
those together in the right
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- You gave me the perfect thing
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- I did?
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That's a score I
don't do that very often.
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- You turn up the picture
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What is the total
picture of the Bible?
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It's Jesus, right?
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It's Jesus love.
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And so when you
flip up that picture
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you start putting
the puzzle together,
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it's all about Jesus love.
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If you get something
over here that doesn't seem
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like it fits with
Jesus' love, then you've got to
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figure out why and
how it all fits better.
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You were on a roll I
didn't wanna interrupt,
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but it was just, you
said that so perfectly.
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I just had to
get that in because
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that's really what we're doing.
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We're putting a puzzle together.
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It's God's love.
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It's the picture of Jesus Christ
who gave everything for us.
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Devil said, no, no, no,
no you can't believe Him.
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Well, wait a second.
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This is the guy
that caused the sickness,
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then pain and
suffering and disease
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and the list goes on and on.
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And that's who
you wanna believe.
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- No, you've got to
look at whatever puzzle piece
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that you're examining
and think, how does that
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fit into the
picture of who God is.
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- Yeah, yeah
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- Does it fit in to the
picture of who God really is?
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Who the rest of scripture
is trying to describe to us.
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And if it's not fitting,
you have to toss it out.
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It may have come
from a different puzzle.
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- There you go
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- It may not go to this set
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- Or it fits in a different
corner of the puzzle somehow.
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Let me read
another one to you in Jude,
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what am I looking for?
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Verse seven yeah.
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" Even as Sodom and Gomorrah
and the cities about them
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" in like manner, giving
themselves over to fornication
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" and going after
strange flesh, are set forth for
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" an example, suffering
the vengeance of eternal fire."
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God didn't like what
they were doing at all.
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They were really
messing up big time.
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They weren't following
anything in the normal line
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of of what God says,
humanity should be doing.
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And He says causes fire and
brimstone to rain upon them.
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And what it says, it's eternal.
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Now, Terry and I
have filmed together,
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many places of the world.
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We were at Sodom and
Gomorrah, the Dead Sea
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guess how much fire we saw
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- I'm guessing none
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- Exactly, not a bit of fire.
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It's eternal fire, but why
would we call it eternal fire?
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If it fits into the puzzle
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- It is just a
little bit confusing.
00:16:48.70\00:16:50.34
- Yeah, but what do you think?
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If it fits into the whole puzzle
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how does eternal
fire fit into all of this?
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- The effects were
eternal, not the literal fire.
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- Yeah, exactly exactly.
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He burned everything up until
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He didn't need
to burn it anymore
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- Until there was
nothing left to burn.
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- Just nothing
left to burn, yeah.
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Now I just happened
to have a couple pieces
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of brimstone here.
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- I saw those
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- I just happened
to set these up early.
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This one is already been burned.
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It's totally been burned up.
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And I don't know
if it's gonna work,
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but yeah go ahead
grab a hold of that.
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- It's gotta be safe
to touch, you're doing it
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- It is
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and then I've got another
one that hasn't been burned
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and you say well, why
does one already burned
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and the other one isn't...
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- Do I need to back up?
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- Okay.
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- No, I mean, literally back.
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- No, no, no,
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- I'm not that fond of fire.
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- Lets see if I can
get this thing going
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- I'd make a lousy fireman.
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- And like I say,
this may or may not work.
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I got to get a
spark going on it.
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There we go,
let's try it again here.
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But the key is, I've
seen some of this burn
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and there is some
that was never burned up.
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And you say, well,
why then did burn up?
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- Its smoking
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- Because everything God did.
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- Oh, I can smell it.
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- Yeah it's sulfur
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because the Bible
said on Sodom and Gomorrah
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it rained fire and brimstone.
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This is the
brimstone, fiery brimstone.
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And He basically
burned everything up
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including everybody
there who didn't listen to Him.
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And let's see if it's, it's
gone a little bit on the side
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but it's kind of too
bright out today to see it
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At nighttime it really glows.
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And yeah, I
definitely don't wanna get in it
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because the the sulfur
smell is just powerful powerful
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Anyway, we'll let that go.
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- Where did you find brimstone?
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- That's from the Dead Sea
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- Really?
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- Right where Sodom
and Gomorrah used to be.
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It was once,
there no longer because
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- So the eternal fire,
obviously still isn't there.
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So eternal cannot mean
what we sometimes just assume
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it means
00:19:08.14\00:19:09.71
- Exactly.
00:19:09.71\00:19:11.05
- Eternal fire you
would think was still burning
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and people
understandably can get confused
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because if you just
look at one or two scriptures
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of that one and then the
one that talks about the wicked
00:19:20.62\00:19:23.12
and saying the smoke of
their torment will rise forever
00:19:23.12\00:19:26.26
and ever you can
understand how it's easy enough
00:19:26.26\00:19:30.93
once Satan
plants the idea in you
00:19:30.93\00:19:33.17
that you're going, Oh yeah
God will torture us forever.
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- Just think about smoke.
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Smoke of their
torment arises forever.
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That smoke is
going up and up and up.
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It never
eradicates every molecule.
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So how long does it continue?
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Forever, right?
00:19:48.95\00:19:50.09
The smoke
continues forever and ever.
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- Now you're gonna make
me think about chemistry?
00:19:52.75\00:19:54.66
- Think about it a little bit
00:19:54.66\00:19:55.69
- I was an English major.
00:19:55.69\00:19:57.29
- Anyway, I know
we've kind of got to finish
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we've got some other
places to go and things to do.
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- I think the important
thing here is God's character.
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That big picture.
00:20:06.50\00:20:08.30
What is this whole
Bible telling us about God?
00:20:08.30\00:20:11.97
And does it fit to imagine
him torturing people forever?
00:20:11.97\00:20:17.05
- Exactly, exactly.
00:20:17.85\00:20:19.31
- No, it just doesn't
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I was going to
say, even the Quran says
00:20:21.08\00:20:23.42
that Saddam was destroyed.
00:20:23.42\00:20:25.62
Bible says it, Quran says it.
00:20:25.62\00:20:27.52
We need to
believe it, destroyed.
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Not continuing on,
how could a loving God,
00:20:29.99\00:20:32.89
and we're gonna be
talking about this more,
00:20:32.89\00:20:34.73
but how could a loving God
who came down and died for us
00:20:34.73\00:20:38.63
ever want to continue
to have us burn forever?
00:20:38.63\00:20:41.70
Doesn't work.
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- Even our little human brains
recognize that's not fair.
00:20:43.74\00:20:46.11
- Yeah but there's
much more to come here.
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- You know Janice there was
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at a gas station,
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and many more in
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Some years ago, 17-year
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John Muhamad, they
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00:22:58.84\00:23:02.81
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00:23:05.55\00:23:08.35
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00:23:08.35\00:23:11.32
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00:23:11.32\00:23:13.42
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00:23:13.42\00:23:15.76
I don't know if
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00:23:16.83\00:23:17.99
- I do.
00:23:17.99\00:23:19.36
And I remember being
more worried than you think
00:23:19.36\00:23:21.16
someone in California would
be, but that's because my sister
00:23:21.16\00:23:24.40
and nephew lived in DC
00:23:24.40\00:23:27.07
- And I didn't
live in DC at the time
00:23:27.07\00:23:28.80
but little time
later and I got to tell you
00:23:28.80\00:23:31.71
when I was gassing up my car,
00:23:31.71\00:23:33.11
there were many
times I thought about that.
00:23:33.11\00:23:35.31
Absolutely scary.
00:23:35.31\00:23:37.15
They ended up
killing 10 people, 10 people.
00:23:37.15\00:23:40.85
And it was, I think in
2012, finally that John Muhamad
00:23:40.85\00:23:45.52
got the death
sentence and was killed.
00:23:45.52\00:23:48.06
The other young man
wasn't old enough at the time
00:23:49.69\00:23:52.03
of the crime so
he's still alive.
00:23:52.03\00:23:54.83
But I think about
that they killed 10 people.
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- I think of is, we
think about judgment
00:23:59.37\00:24:03.87
because all of us will
be judged at some point.
00:24:03.87\00:24:07.48
But if you have bought
into the eternal hell idea,
00:24:07.48\00:24:12.51
you have to think all right,
00:24:14.38\00:24:16.52
Cain the very first
murderer killed one person.
00:24:16.52\00:24:20.92
So he has had 6,000 more years
of punishment than this guy?
00:24:22.62\00:24:27.20
That doesn't seem fair.
00:24:29.36\00:24:31.07
You could ask a six year old
00:24:31.07\00:24:32.77
and they'd tell
you that wasn't fair.
00:24:32.77\00:24:34.67
We have this innate sense where
we know that isn't justice.
00:24:34.67\00:24:38.61
- Exactly
00:24:38.61\00:24:40.51
- So how can a just God get
accused of something like that?
00:24:40.51\00:24:43.31
- We would say as
cruel and unusual punishment
00:24:43.31\00:24:45.98
As little humans would say that.
00:24:47.12\00:24:49.32
Matter of fact, I
heard some time ago
00:24:49.32\00:24:51.05
that in the death penalty
00:24:51.05\00:24:52.99
they now didn't want
people to receive injections
00:24:52.99\00:24:55.76
for the death penalty
because that prick in the skin
00:24:55.76\00:24:58.36
would be cruel and
unusual punishment.
00:24:58.36\00:25:00.26
- And yet we think God
is crueler than we are.
00:25:00.26\00:25:04.53
- Oh, far crueler.
00:25:04.53\00:25:05.90
Can you imagine
00:25:05.90\00:25:07.27
I mean, you know what
we talked about earlier
00:25:07.27\00:25:09.34
about what people say the
hell fire and brimstone people,
00:25:09.34\00:25:12.34
it's absolutely inconceivable
00:25:12.34\00:25:14.74
that you could believe a
God who came down to this world
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and laid his life
out for us and took the
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the chance that he
would no longer be God
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the way He did this
whole thing to pull it off,
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there was an opportunity
He would no longer be God,
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He would be dead for eternity.
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I mean that's how much He risked
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because He loves us so much.
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- And would that kind
of God take any kind of joy
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in torturing people?
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But that's not to say
there isn't a judgment.
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- Very true.
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Matter of fact, the Bible
talks about that at the end,
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there is a judgment.
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Everybody is gathered
together at this final
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From the beginning of
time, everybody is there
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and God has judged everybody.
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Those that love him
are all together with God.
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Those that don't are
all looking on as it were.
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And finally, everybody
says true and just Lord,
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true and just
are your judgments,
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but they don't wanna change.
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Their hearts are still set.
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They're still against God.
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And God finally it
calls His strange act.
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He calls fire down from
heaven, reigns fire down
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and destroys all the
wicked for time and eternity.
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Every semblance sin,
every evil thing that ever
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was here on
planet earth, it's gone.
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- There's a verse that says
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that we'll even go
look for the wicked
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and they can't be found.
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That they're burned
every root and branch.
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They're gone,
ashes under our feet,
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not burning forever and ever.
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- Friends God says that
He wishes we'd come to Him
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because He loves us.
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He's done absolutely everything
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Janice, I can't even imagine
anything else God could ever do
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to call us to His
side, to call you.
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It's a lie.
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It's a lie.
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It's a lie that the devil says
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that God is gonna
burn you in hell forever.
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Not gonna happen.
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But God says,
there will be a moment,
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as Janice said here,
there will be a judgment time
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but who wants
to be on that side?
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You don't need to be.
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You don't need
to be on that side.
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You can be on God's side,
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in His loving
arms for all eternity.
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Matter of fact, God
says, I'll let you sit
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with me in my throne and
rule the universe together.
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That's how wonderful God is.
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And I wonder Janice
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I just wish we
could say something else
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to folks to have
them accept Jesus Christ.
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- He's done all the work.
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All we have to do is accept it.
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Say thank you, Lord.
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I'm on your team and throw
ourselves into His loving arms.
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- That's right, throw
yourself in His loving arms.
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- Thanks for joining
us for Country Wisdom
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- See you next time.
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