Hello, and welcome
to Coronavirus Report.
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This is our
weekly 30 minute update
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trying to give you a
digest of what we know,
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what we've found out
during the past seven days
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with respect to the coronavirus.
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I'm here with
Pastor Stephen Bohr,
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the president and speaker
for Secrets Unsealed and SUMtv.
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- Pastor, good to have you here.
- It's good to see you, C.A.
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Also Dr. Teske.
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Yeah, our resource
person is Dr. Milton Teske.
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He is the health
officer for Kings County
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just south of here.
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And he's also the
chairman of the board
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for this very fine ministry.
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So we are double
blessed to have a person who is
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in touch with the CDC,
getting the latest information,
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and who just happens to
be chairman of the board
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for Secrets Unsealed and SUMtv.
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So, doctor, good
to have you here.
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It's good to be here again.
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And I'm C.A Murray.
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We are trying each
week to give you some of
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the highs, the lows,
the good, the bad, the ugly;
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whatever comes up, whatever
the scientists are finding,
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whatever the good
doctor has to share with us.
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We are ready and
willing to ask and hear,
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because he has a lot to say.
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We have a lot of questions.
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Praise God, he
has a lot of answers.
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So it's good to have you here.
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Pastor Bohr, I know
you've got some questions.
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I have some.
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The doctor has some
things that are on his heart.
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But I think we'll lead off
with you and let you start out.
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Okay, I have a
question regarding origins.
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It seems to me like if you're
going to learn from a pandemic,
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it would be helpful
to know where it started
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and how it started.
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And there's a lot
of theories out there
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about how the
coronavirus got started.
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One is that somebody ate a bat
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and it was transferred
from the animal to the person,
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and then from person to person.
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And recently I've
been noticing on the news
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that there's a lot of talk about
perhaps it's a careless act
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in a lab in Wuhan.
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And I remember over a month
ago when you gave a lecture
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on the coronavirus, you
mentioned that you thought
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that might be what happened.
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So is there any update on that?
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I know that is a
difficult question to answer.
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This is definitely
a controversial area
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in the world today
politically because of
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the implications of that.
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But, you know,
exactly where it came from,
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how it came to be, and how
it turned into this pandemic...
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You know, the first story
was, yeah, it came from bats
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and eating bat soup from these
wet markets in Wuhan, China.
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Then they felt,
well, it came from bats,
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and went from bats to snakes,
and from eating the snakes.
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And then from bats to pangolins,
and it was the pangolins
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then that made it to
the human jump there.
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All of that is a little
bit far-fetched when you
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start to look at some
of the details on it there.
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The latest one as you mentioned
they're putting out there is
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the connection with the
Wuhan Virology Institute,
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which is China's only BSL4.
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Which is a
bio-safety level four lab.
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We have quite a number
of them here in the U.S.
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They have this one in Wuhan
which is capable to handling
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really dangerous
viruses: Ebola, SARS,
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you know, that type of thing.
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And so, that would
certainly be a place, okay yeah,
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they're doing this
kind of stuff there.
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When you start to say, okay,
well they were doing research
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on bats, and somehow
one of the lab workers
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got it from the bat and
it got out in the community,
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maybe that's so.
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But, you know, when we
start to look at some of the
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genetic sequencing in there,
there are a number of scientists
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that are pointing out now
that this didn't just evolve.
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It doesn't bear the hallmarks
of natural genetic evolution.
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Viruses evolve.
They change, they mutate.
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And quite rapidly so.
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And that's well know,
and they follow through.
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And they've got databases
of all of these different
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virus genomes and
show what changed where.
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And then it went to here,
and this one changed to this.
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That's quite a large, you
know, field of study there.
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And this doesn't seem
to fit those patterns.
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It goes from here, and
doesn't have any steps,
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and suddenly it's way over here.
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Which has all the
hallmarks of, this is something
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somebody made.
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~ Has it mutated?
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There have been
some mutations that have
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actually been
measured since it came out.
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Viruses do that.
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But where it came
from in the first place,
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which was the question
you asked about origins,
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didn't seem to fit that picture
as you start to look at it.
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You know, today we
have the technology
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to cut things, insert things.
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We can just, we can make
up a code and take pieces
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and splice them all together
and make whatever we want now.
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It's sort of like Lego's.
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I mean, just get the
pieces and put them all together
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and you can make
anything you want.
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The problem is, when you
start doing really evil things
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like making viruses
with, you know, what they call,
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gain-of-function, well the
gain of function they're talking
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about is they're
making it more infective,
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more infectious, more virulent,
more, you know, evil in the
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terms of this disease causing.
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Causing severe
infections, more destruction.
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We talked the last time about
how this has the ability to
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attack immune cells,
which none of the coronaviruses
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before this
COVID-19 were able to do.
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And what's different, this
virus, the genome is exactly
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identical to the SARS
virus, except they're finding
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that in these spiked proteins,
the genomes for building those
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proteins that make that little
spike that it attaches and
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infects with, there are
several inclusion sequences.
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And it's like you
just cut the genetic code,
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spliced in a little piece, and
put it back together with these
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little pieces; and there's
four little parts in there.
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And there was one study
that came out that showed
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those four parts
were exactly identical
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to parts of an HIV-1 virus.
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In other words, somebody
was taking pieces from here
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and putting them in here.
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And while they're
different places in the code,
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when you make a
protein based on that code
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and it folds in its various
shape to make this spiked
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protein, all of those little
pieces of the fold actually
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come up right together on
the very tip of the spike.
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In other words, they're
putting those pieces there
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right where they're
going to attack and attach
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and, you know,
have a function there.
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And that's how they
build in this gain-of-function.
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So, you know, as I look at
the various theories out there
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as to, you know,
the origin of this,
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being of man-made
origin; this is something
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that was spliced together,
put together intentionally
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in the pieces
for a certain reason.
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It seems quite obvious.
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~ So does the
splicing make it more difficult
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to develop a vaccine?
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~ Not necessarily.
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What makes a vaccine
more difficult to develop
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is all the little
mutations that it keeps doing
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spontaneously on its own.
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And most little
mutations don't change anything
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as far as its infectivity.
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You know, these little, you
know, you change a bump here
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and a bump there; it
still basically works the same.
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You know, somebody had to
intentionally put these pieces
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in the right place to
make a specific change
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in a certain place.
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But these other little
mutations, as they keep coming,
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well you make a vaccine, and
then it mutates a little bit.
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Well, now this vaccine doesn't
work, and now we need to...
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We see this every year
with the influenza vaccines.
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You know, there's all of
these, the influenza viruses,
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which are similar in some ways.
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They have the envelope
around them like a SARS,
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you know, or a COVID virus does.
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But it's always changing.
It's mutating, changing.
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And so, every year they have
to come up with a new vaccine.
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Well now, which version
are they going to make it on?
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Well, the epidemiologists
get together in a room
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and they look at all of the
surveillance data from the past
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year from here, as well as from
South America, other places,
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and they all sit together
and say, "Well, we think
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the most likely strain to
flare up this year is this."
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And they'll put three
or four best guesses as to
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what's going to come
next, and that's what going to
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be in the flu
shot for the next year.
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And so then, well now, if that
virus starts to come around,
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yeah, you're protected
because they guessed right.
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But if it's a different
one, well then it's probably
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not going to work for you.
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Will it help?
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I mean, if it doesn't
specifically deal with this,
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does it partially deal with
some other type of influenza?
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Maybe, if it's
really, really close it might.
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But generally, no.
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As a matter of fact, if you
get a novel strain coming in...
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Remember, I think it was 2009
what they called, the swine flu?
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It was a totally different
version that wasn't even
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like any of the influenza.
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And suddenly it was
spreading everywhere.
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Well of course, nobody
knew about that before,
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so it wasn't in
any of the vaccines.
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So nobody was
protected against it.
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But an interesting fact,
in Canada they did a study.
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Because of the
Canadian health system up there
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they've got a lot
of centralized records
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and were able to do that easily.
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But those who had
the flu shot that year,
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which of course did not
protect against the swine flu,
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they were twice as
likely to get the swine flu,
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as compared to people who did
not get the flu shot that year.
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They were like only half as
likely to get the swine flu.
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And the thinking is that
apparently it's like, okay,
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so the flu shot, you
know, has got these antigens.
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In other words,
pieces of a virus.
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And so when they inject
it in you, your body makes
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antibodies against those pieces.
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So if you get a
real virus of that type,
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hey, it's ready to go
after it and attack it,
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and destroy it for you.
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Well, so your body has basically
got these things that say,
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"Oh, that's the
virus. We've got to attack."
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And so, you've made up
all these antibodies against
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what was in the flu shot.
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You've basically sort of
hi-jacked your immune system
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now to go and fight the enemy.
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In other words, you've got
all of your troops, your army,
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the air force, the
navy, everybody is out there
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looking for this enemy.
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And now there's
a different enemy.
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And it's like, you've already
deployed all your troops,
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now what have you got
left to go fight this?
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Well, they're already
geared up to go fight this.
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Whereas, this one that
wasn't all geared up to fight
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what was in the
flu shot that year,
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hey, they're all
ready to build up and attack
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in the, you know, the
normal immunological response
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and less likely to,
you know, have a problem
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and more likely
to be asymptomatic
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and not have an issue with it.
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So, you know,
that's one of the...
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You know, are these
shots for ongoing changing
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viruses really valid?
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And of course, the
question is, what about
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a vaccine for the
coronavirus, the COVID-19 now?
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Everybody says,
"Yeah, we're working on it."
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We've got hundreds of different
labs around the country that are
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making vaccines for
this new COVID virus.
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And of course, that
would be great to have a
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vaccine that would work.
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The question is, will they be
able to make one that will work?
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Or will it be like the
influenza virus that's going to
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keep changing, and
six months from now
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by the time they get a
vaccine now, will there
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be enough mutated
strains out there that,
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yeah, we'll vaccinate
here, but there will be
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some mutated strains
that it won't protect against.
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So we're still
going to have flare-ups.
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You know, like,
every year we still have
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the seasonal influenza.
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Will we end up
with the seasonal COVID?
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Maybe.
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You know, nobody really
knows the answer to that yet.
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This is very interesting,
and I'm glad that you
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went down this
road, Pastor Bohr.
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Because, one, this is not your
own personal home spun theory.
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This is out in the
scientific community now.
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You may have gotten
to it a little early,
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given your studies
and from where you sit,
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but it's being spoken
of by numbers of people
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who are realizing
that the idea that this was
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engineered cannot
be taken off the table.
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You may not have hard proof, but
you cannot dismiss it either.
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~ Yeah. - Yeah.
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So that is an option.
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You said something a couple of
weeks ago that touched my ear.
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You said this virus has
been made very efficient.
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It is not that deadly, as we
look at things that are deadly,
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but it's very highly contagious.
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It has been made very, very...
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A lot of people are getting it.
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You can get it very easy.
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And though there are a lot
of people who are asymptomatic,
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a lot of people are symptomatic,
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and a fair number
of people are dying.
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So it's been put
together in such a way
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that it does what
it does very well.
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~ Especially compared to what
it used to be a few years ago,
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which was the SARS virus.
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And the SARS virus was bad,
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but it was
fairly self-contained.
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I mean, I think we had worldwide
a total of 800 people, you know,
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that died from the SARS virus.
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Now with making these
modifications to the SARS virus,
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that it's more,
you know, infectious,
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it's spreading wildly everywhere
and it seems like our best
00:14:56.19\00:15:00.10
efforts can barely
slow it down a little bit.
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And we're way beyond
800 deaths here, you know.
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I mean, you know, we're in
the many tens of thousands,
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and you know, hundreds
of thousands worldwide here.
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So it's definitely more
infectious spreading out there.
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I want to ask your
opinion on something.
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And it's your opinion, but I
suspect it's an educated one.
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Because Germany is beginning
to take the seal off some of
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this quarantine, France is
beginning to take the seal off,
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Spain is, and there is much
talk about doing some things
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here in the United States.
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They're talking incremental,
but they are talking about
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definitely doing it.
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In your considered
opinion, at this point are we
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rushing it a little bit?
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Can we do that with
any amount of safety?
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Are we trying to push
ahead a little too fast?
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To really answer that, of course
you're going to have to realize
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that all epidemics are local.
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Even though this is a pandemic,
what we have here in the
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Central Valley right now
is going to be different than
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what we have in the Bay Area, or
what we've got in New York City,
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or what we've got in Peru.
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The degree of the
number of people infected
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and how badly it's
spreading in the community.
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But we all start at the
same place with this virus.
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And that is, everybody in
the community is susceptible.
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This is a brand new virus.
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Nobody came into
this being immune to this.
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So nobody had
pre-existing immunity to it.
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And so, it's
spreading through the community.
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Widely spreading
through the community, probably.
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And some people get extremely
sick and die from it, you know,
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as it attacks their lungs
and heart, and they really can't
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and aren't able to fight it off.
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But, you know, as we start
to look at that and realize
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what's going on there,
you realize the only way
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to end this when
it's this infectious
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is to make people immune to it.
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I mean, ideally if we
had a vaccine on day one
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and we went out and
vaccinated everybody,
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then nobody would get it
and this virus would be over.
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But, you know, we're
not going to get a vaccine
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for a year and a half, and
who knows if it will work then,
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or if it will
already have changed.
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So that's down the road, and
you're not going to be able to
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count on it to get through what
we're dealing with right now.
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So the only immunity is
going to be what we build up
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in the community.
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In other words, people
that have been infected
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and got well, and their body's
immune system has antibodies,
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and they're
able to fight it off.
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And then, of course,
the question, well can we
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open up this lockdown?
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Do we have to keep
shutting everything down,
00:17:54.54\00:17:56.81
and wearing face masks,
and staying six feet apart?
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Although, some people are now
saying it's more like 15 feet.
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Depending on the type of, you
know, what you read out there.
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And the answer to that is
going to vary by the area.
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Because at this point
the only way to get rid of it
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is for everybody to get it.
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And it's like, as soon as
everybody in the community
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has had it, then it's over.
00:18:24.67\00:18:27.67
Because nobody
else can get it again.
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But the problem with
letting everybody get it
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is that a large percentage,
or a certain percentage
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at least, get it really,
really bad and are going to die.
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They're going to need hospital
beds, they're going to need
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ICU beds, they're
going to need ventilators
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as their only hope of survival.
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And we've only got so many
hospital beds and ventilators.
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And if we don't have
enough, we saw this in Italy,
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and we're starting to
see it at other places,
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then what happens?
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Well, people that could
have lived are going to die.
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You know, and the
doctors are in that position of,
00:19:10.51\00:19:13.05
well who gets a
ventilator and who doesn't?
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Or the system like in
Wuhan just gets overwhelmed
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and people are turned away
because the hospitals are full.
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Incidentally, I just
saw this weekend right now,
00:19:23.93\00:19:27.06
it is now spreading through
Central and South America.
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Mexico had been hit bad.
00:19:31.27\00:19:33.37
I think Nicaragua, Peru,
Ecuador were mentioned as places
00:19:33.40\00:19:37.27
where the number of
people infected is exceeding
00:19:37.67\00:19:41.58
the ability of the
healthcare system to provide the
00:19:42.01\00:19:46.01
critical care that's needed.
00:19:46.05\00:19:47.95
In Mexico City they were turning
away people from the hospitals
00:19:48.48\00:19:53.36
because they were full.
00:19:53.39\00:19:54.72
There weren't any more
ventilators or ICU beds.
00:19:54.76\00:19:56.73
And you know, here in this
country we've got a much more
00:19:56.76\00:20:01.20
robust and
developed healthcare system.
00:20:01.23\00:20:03.77
We've got a lot more
hospitals, a lot more doctors,
00:20:03.80\00:20:06.57
a lot more ICU's, and
a lot more ventilators.
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And with proper, you
know, our public health planning
00:20:09.80\00:20:13.88
and governmental,
you know, organization,
00:20:13.91\00:20:16.38
we can shift
those resources around.
00:20:16.41\00:20:19.05
And if it's flaring up in
New York, we can push some more
00:20:19.08\00:20:21.55
resources there,
or to New Orleans,
00:20:21.58\00:20:23.79
or now maybe to San
Francisco, or wherever.
00:20:23.82\00:20:27.46
We have the capacity to
handle a lot more infection
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then, you know, some
countries that have a very
00:20:34.00\00:20:36.63
minimal healthcare
system and very few doctors.
00:20:36.67\00:20:39.90
And they go into it not
really realizing how bad it is,
00:20:40.17\00:20:45.17
and implementing
proper protective measures
00:20:45.21\00:20:47.58
right upfront, and you
know, the healthcare workers
00:20:47.61\00:20:50.91
are your first casualties.
00:20:50.95\00:20:52.28
And you lose your
doctors and nurses.
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They get sick and die.
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They're taken out of
the picture right there.
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You know, we see that in places.
00:20:57.65\00:20:59.85
So it can get really bad there.
00:20:59.89\00:21:02.92
So we don't want to
cross that line, you know.
00:21:02.96\00:21:05.36
Then that's where you hear the
talk about flattening the curve.
00:21:05.39\00:21:08.43
We want to slow the burn.
00:21:08.46\00:21:11.10
But it's like, you're not
going to be able to stamp out
00:21:11.13\00:21:13.80
this fire without
totally 100% locking down
00:21:13.84\00:21:17.74
and everybody stays home
and nobody does anything.
00:21:17.77\00:21:20.34
So we're in this sort
of partial lockdown where
00:21:20.38\00:21:23.78
we've got all the
essential services open,
00:21:23.81\00:21:25.98
but everything
else is locked down.
00:21:26.01\00:21:27.98
And well, that's
really bad for the economy,
00:21:28.02\00:21:30.85
and how long can
we put up with this?
00:21:30.89\00:21:32.62
And so the answer
to your question is,
00:21:33.15\00:21:35.02
we're going to
have to open that up.
00:21:35.06\00:21:36.39
We're going to have to
start letting, you know,
00:21:36.42\00:21:38.93
things flow through
and start opening up.
00:21:39.23\00:21:42.13
And as long as
the healthcare system
00:21:42.16\00:21:44.47
can handle the burn,
it's probably going to be
00:21:44.50\00:21:49.60
the right way to go.
00:21:49.64\00:21:51.47
And you know, it's
how much we open up
00:21:51.67\00:21:54.98
and what is the
reaction, and are we suddenly
00:21:55.01\00:21:57.35
getting a second wave
and another flare-up of cases
00:21:57.38\00:22:00.35
because we've
opened it up too much
00:22:00.38\00:22:01.82
and it's spreading
from person to person now?
00:22:01.85\00:22:04.82
So the idea is,
well how do we open it up
00:22:05.22\00:22:07.79
and control the burn without
it getting out of control
00:22:07.82\00:22:12.03
where we don't
have the resources
00:22:12.23\00:22:14.00
to handle the sick cases.
00:22:14.03\00:22:15.76
And of course,
ideally, another piece in there,
00:22:16.23\00:22:18.40
if we get medicines that work,
well that's another big thing.
00:22:18.43\00:22:21.24
You know, if the chloroquine
or some of the antiretroviral
00:22:21.27\00:22:25.37
or something prove
to be very effective.
00:22:25.41\00:22:28.94
You know, those that are
doing the studies are still not
00:22:30.25\00:22:33.21
committing to saying how well
that's working or not working.
00:22:33.25\00:22:36.92
There's anecdotal
stuff that says it works,
00:22:36.95\00:22:38.95
but you know, how many people
are getting well with nothing?
00:22:38.99\00:22:43.93
You know, and so it's
like if I'd given one of them
00:22:44.03\00:22:46.90
a magic pill and they got
better, well the magic pill
00:22:46.93\00:22:51.60
would get all the credit.
00:22:51.63\00:22:52.97
So until you actually
do double blind studies
00:22:53.07\00:22:55.60
and you actually
know the numbers,
00:22:55.64\00:22:58.27
you don't really
know that it's working.
00:22:58.31\00:23:00.81
And so, you know,
those are kind of the
00:23:01.31\00:23:05.11
opened-ended stuff out there.
00:23:05.51\00:23:07.48
I ask that because you're the
health officer in your county.
00:23:07.52\00:23:10.29
So if things are going
to be opened or remain shut,
00:23:10.55\00:23:13.99
that would come over
your desk, would it not?
00:23:14.02\00:23:16.69
~ The health officer and
the way things are organized
00:23:17.63\00:23:19.96
gives the local orders
to, you know, close or open.
00:23:20.00\00:23:23.97
But it's all done under
the direction of the state.
00:23:24.13\00:23:27.44
So the California
department of public health
00:23:27.47\00:23:30.04
really directs things here.
00:23:30.07\00:23:31.87
The health officers
here in the Central Valley,
00:23:32.47\00:23:34.91
we get on the phone
and have conference calls
00:23:35.11\00:23:37.41
every couple of
days where we talk about
00:23:37.45\00:23:39.31
what are we going to open,
what are we not going to open.
00:23:39.35\00:23:41.65
Yesterday, a big discussion
of, well we need to be
00:23:41.85\00:23:44.62
opening up some of these,
you know, industries here.
00:23:44.65\00:23:47.96
And well what kind of,
you know, people can't stay
00:23:47.99\00:23:50.53
that far apart on
the assembly line.
00:23:50.56\00:23:52.19
They're going to do
this. Can they wear masks?
00:23:52.23\00:23:54.10
You know, figuring
out, well what can we do to
00:23:54.20\00:23:56.10
open things up, but still keep
down the spread here, you know.
00:23:56.33\00:24:01.70
What will be the...
00:24:01.74\00:24:03.07
And there's a lot of
discussions, a lot of things.
00:24:03.10\00:24:05.34
And of course,
nobody knows the answer.
00:24:05.44\00:24:07.54
We all make our best
guess and put it out.
00:24:07.58\00:24:10.05
And it's going to be
different in different regions
00:24:10.08\00:24:13.05
depending on how far the
infection is out of control.
00:24:13.15\00:24:17.09
If the infection is burning
way out of control right now,
00:24:17.12\00:24:19.95
well then you're probably
not going to start opening up
00:24:20.12\00:24:22.39
things on top of that.
00:24:22.42\00:24:23.76
The problem is, the United
States has a service economy.
00:24:24.49\00:24:28.96
Which means
restaurants, bars, hotels,
00:24:29.56\00:24:32.93
you know,
cruise ships and so on.
00:24:33.94\00:24:36.30
And how are you
going to open up those?
00:24:36.71\00:24:40.01
Those are probably
more complicated to open
00:24:40.24\00:24:42.41
than some of the others.
00:24:42.44\00:24:43.95
But they're probably
some of the first ones
00:24:44.35\00:24:46.48
you're going to
see opening, I suspect.
00:24:46.51\00:24:48.75
You know, they're going to put
in, like, well we can only have
00:24:48.78\00:24:52.15
so many tables
in the restaurant,
00:24:52.19\00:24:54.32
you know, that are spaced
at certain distances apart.
00:24:54.42\00:24:57.63
And you know, there's just
going to be those type of things
00:24:57.66\00:25:00.53
you're going to see.
00:25:00.56\00:25:01.90
You know, things
won't be the same.
00:25:02.40\00:25:04.23
There will be different
regulations and little things
00:25:04.27\00:25:06.97
they will do that
may help or may not help,
00:25:07.00\00:25:09.54
but they're going to try all
the little things they can do
00:25:09.57\00:25:13.27
to sort of reduce the
spread, but not totally
00:25:13.31\00:25:17.78
shut down and lock things down.
00:25:17.81\00:25:19.68
Because, you know, you just
can't do this indefinitely and
00:25:19.71\00:25:23.52
lock everybody up and
nobody can do anything.
00:25:23.55\00:25:26.02
I mean, people have to work.
00:25:26.22\00:25:29.09
We need their services,
we need their products.
00:25:29.12\00:25:31.93
And you know, these
type of things are going to
00:25:32.19\00:25:35.23
need to move down the road.
00:25:35.26\00:25:36.93
And they can.
00:25:37.30\00:25:38.93
And they will.
00:25:39.23\00:25:40.57
And month by month, you
know, more and more people
00:25:40.60\00:25:43.54
will develop some
degree of immunity to this.
00:25:43.74\00:25:47.84
And things are going to
become, you know, safer.
00:25:47.88\00:25:52.28
It'll get further under control.
00:25:52.31\00:25:54.75
And there will probably be some
new normal on the other side.
00:25:54.78\00:25:58.85
We may have an ongoing
seasonal COVID every year.
00:25:58.89\00:26:03.86
I wonder whether I have
been exposed to the coronavirus.
00:26:04.79\00:26:09.33
You know, we were in
Spain the end of January.
00:26:09.36\00:26:13.17
We came back early
in February to the U.S.
00:26:13.20\00:26:16.17
So is there any place that
you can get a test to find out
00:26:16.44\00:26:19.57
whether you were
exposed or not in this area?
00:26:19.61\00:26:21.84
No, there is not.
00:26:21.88\00:26:23.21
The antibody test is
available, it's been developed,
00:26:23.24\00:26:27.28
it's out there.
00:26:27.32\00:26:28.65
They've been doing some
population based studies
00:26:28.68\00:26:31.25
where they'll just test random
samples throughout a community
00:26:31.29\00:26:35.19
of stuff they've
got there in the lab.
00:26:35.22\00:26:36.86
In the Bay Area, their
results of that are showing that
00:26:37.23\00:26:41.26
this may be 80 times more
infective than they thought.
00:26:41.36\00:26:45.27
In other words,
they're finding antibodies
00:26:45.30\00:26:47.37
80 times more
than they would expect
00:26:47.57\00:26:51.01
from what we know
about how many people,
00:26:51.04\00:26:52.74
you know, how many reported
infections are going on there
00:26:52.77\00:26:55.71
and how many
people have been sick.
00:26:55.74\00:26:57.38
And we start testing antibodies,
well look at all these other
00:26:57.41\00:26:59.75
people that have got antibodies.
00:26:59.78\00:27:01.12
They had asymptomatic infections
or very minor infections
00:27:01.32\00:27:05.19
they really
didn't think anything of.
00:27:05.22\00:27:06.96
And so, that's the
test that we would like
00:27:07.19\00:27:11.43
to know the answer to.
00:27:11.46\00:27:12.83
And they have not made that
available for individuals yet.
00:27:13.16\00:27:17.37
So, I mean, that will
certainly help us moving into,
00:27:17.87\00:27:21.47
you know, getting out of
the lockdown to find out,
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oh hey, I'm immune to it.
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But of course, at this
point, we don't even know
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if having the
antibodies makes you immune.
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You know, maybe next time
we can talk a little bit more
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about that and
about the recurrences,
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or
re-infections, or re-flare ups.
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What are the implications there?
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Maybe there will
be new light by then.
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Indeed. And that's one
of the big questions that's
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coming down the road to face us.
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Once you've got it,
can you get it again?
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Can you pass it
on to someone else?
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Those are some of the
questions that hit us.
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So there's always
much to talk about.
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We thank you for joining us
on Coronavirus Report today.
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And we hope to
see you next time.
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We've got a lot to tell you.
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We know you've got
a lot of questions.
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Praise God, we may have
just the answer that you need.
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Bye bye. We'll
see you again soon.
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