Participants: Pr. Doug Batchelor
Series Code: CSH
Program Code: CSH021428
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00:45 >>WELCOME TO SACRAMENTO CENTRAL SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH. 00:48 IT IS BY NO ACCIDENT THAT YOU HAVE FOUND US EITHER LIVE 00:52 STREAMING ON YOUR COMPUTER - ON THE INTERNET, ON TELEVISION, 00:57 THROUGH RADIO WAVES - HOWEVER YOU'RE JOINING US 01:00 WELCOME AND WE ARE THRILLED THAT YOU HAVE JOINED US 01:03 TO STUDY GOD'S WORD TOGETHER. 01:05 WHAT A PRIVILEGE IT IS, FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, TO JOIN TOGETHER 01:09 TO STUDY GOD'S WORD - THE THING THAT WILL BIND US FOR ETERNITY. 01:14 BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR STUDY TODAY WITH PASTOR DOUG, I INVITE YOU - 01:20 THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE AT HOME AND WANT TO SING ALONG WITH US - 01:23 EVERY PRESENTATION WE SING TOGETHER SO PULL OUT YOUR 01:27 HYMNALS AND WE ARE GOING TO SING TOGETHER, 'IT TOOK A MIRACLE' - 01:31 HYMN #111. THIS COMES AS A REQUEST FROM 01:35 LORENE IN GUYANA, MEJING IN HONG KONG AND GLENN IN NORTH DAKOTA 01:41 AND MANY OTHERS AROUND THE PLANET LOVE TO SING 01:43 'IT TOOK A MIRACLE' SO LET'S SING ALL THREE VERSES. 01:47 (MUSIC) 04:30 >>LET'S PRAY. OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN, 04:33 WE HUMBLY COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING WITH A GLADSOME MIND, 04:37 KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE CREATED US AND THAT YOU HAVE SENT JESUS TO 04:42 SAVE US AND THAT YOU ARE COMING AGAIN SOON. 04:44 LORD, WE REST IN THAT PROMISE AS WE OPEN YOUR WORD TO 04:48 STUDY TOGETHER AS ONE BIG FAMILY. 04:51 WE TRUST YOU AND WE KNOW THAT YOUR PROMISES ARE TRUE SO JUST 04:55 CHANGE OUR HEARTS TO BE MORE LIKE YOU. 04:58 HELP US TO BE SHINING LIGHTS SO THAT WE CAN DO OUR PART IN 05:01 HASTENING YOUR COMING. AND LORD, WHEN YOU COME, PLEASE 05:04 HELP US EACH TO BE READY AND WAITING AND WATCHING AND SAY, 05:08 'LO, YOU ARE OUR SAVIOR WE HAVE WAITED FOR.' 05:11 WE PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME, JESUS, AMEN. 05:16 OUR STUDY TODAY WILL BE BROUGHT TO US BY PASTOR DOUG BATCHELOR. 05:25 >>MORNING. I WANT TO THANK OUR MUSICIANS 05:29 AND WELCOME EVERYBODY. IF YOU'RE VISITING CENTRAL 05:33 CHURCH WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE TODAY AND WE'RE JUST VERY 05:36 THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THIS LESSON. 05:39 THIS IS A GOOD LESSON WE'RE JUST ENTERING ON. 05:41 FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT BE JOINING US AND YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO 05:45 PARTICIPATE IN THE FIRST ONE, WE'RE DEALING WITH A NEW 05:47 QUARTERLY NOW, TALKING ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS. 05:50 OF COURSE, IN OUR CLASS HERE NOW, LOCALLY, WE TEACH A COUPLE 05:53 OF WEEKS IN ADVANCE SO THAT THE PROGRAM CAN BE EDITED AND THEN 05:56 THEY SEND IT OFF TO HAVE CLOSED CAPTIONING ADDED AND TO THE 05:59 VARIOUS NETWORKS THEN AND SO WE'RE ON LESSON TWO TODAY 06:04 DEALING WITH THE SUBJECT OF THE SON. 06:07 BEFORE WE DO THAT, ALONG WITH OUR SUBJECT FOR TODAY, WE 06:09 USUALLY HAVE A FREE OFFER FOR OUR VIEWERS AND IF YOU'VE NOT 06:12 READ THIS BOOK BEFORE, WE RECOMMEND IT - BY JOE CREWS - 06:15 IT'S CALLED THE - 'CHRIST'S HUMAN NATURE' - 06:18 CHRIST'S HUMAN NATURE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION 06:21 AND DISCUSSION ON THAT AND IT GOES IN TO SOME OF THE MYSTERY 06:25 OF 'HOW CAN YOU BE A HUMAN AND STILL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT 06:29 DIVINE?' AND SO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER 06:31 THEN JUST ASK FOR OFFER #729. WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU FREE WITH 06:36 THE UNDERSTANDING YOU WILL READ IT AND THEN SHARE IT WITH 06:39 SOMEBODY. AND THE NUMBER TO CALL IS 06:41 866-STUDY-MORE - THAT'S 866-788-3966. 06:48 AND LET'S TURN THEN AND GO TO OUR LESSON - LESSON #2 IN 06:51 OUR NEW QUARTERLY - AND, BY THE WAY, THIS HAS GOT - LET ME JUST 06:54 READ THE CONTENTS, IF YOU'VE NOT HEARD IT YET, FOR THE NEW 06:57 QUARTERLY - LAST WEEK PASTOR MIKE DID 'OUR LOVING HEAVENLY 07:00 FATHER', TODAY 'THE SON', NEXT WEEK 'THE HOLY SPIRIT', 07:03 'SALVATION', 'HOW TO BE SAVED', 'GROWING IN CHRIST', 'LIVING 07:08 LIKE CHRIST', 'THE CHURCH', 'OUR MISSION', 'THE LAW OF GOD', 'THE 07:12 SABBATH', 'DEATH AND RESURRECTION', 'THE SECOND 07:14 COMING' - WOW, IT'S - THIS IS LIKE AN EVANGELISTIC MEETING. 07:18 THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY GOOD QUARTERLY SO I'M 07:20 LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. 07:21 TODAY WE'RE GOING TO DELVE INTO THE MYSTERY OF JESUS - 07:24 UNDERSTANDING THE SECOND PERSON OF THE GODHEAD - THE SON. 07:27 AND OUR MEMORY VERSE IS MARK 10:45, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY 07:32 THAT WITH ME. MARK 10:45 - ARE YOU READY? 07:36 "FOR EVEN THE SON OF MAN DID NOT COME TO BE SERVED, BUT TO SERVE, 07:42 AND TO GIVE HIS LIFE A RANSOM FOR MANY." 07:46 JESUS CAME TO GIVE HIS LIFE A RANSOM FOR MANY. 07:48 AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXPLORING, TODAY, THE BIG SUBJECT OF 07:53 WHO WAS JESUS? WHO WAS JESUS? 07:57 NOW THIS QUESTION IS ACTUALLY FOUND IN THE BIBLE IN SEVERAL 08:01 PLACES. IN FACT, MAYBE I'LL GET SOMEONE 08:04 READY - I THINK WE GAVE OUT SOME VERSES TO SOME OF YOU SITTING 08:07 HERE. SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE JOHN - 08:09 THE GOSPEL OF JOHN 1, VERSES 10 AND 11 - WHO HAS THAT? 08:14 DID YOU GET A SLIP OF PAPER WITH THAT? 08:16 RIGHT OVER HERE - WE'LL GET YOU A MICROPHONE RIGHT THERE - AND 08:18 THAT WAY THAT CAMERAS CAN FIND OUT WHERE YOU ARE. 08:20 WE'LL HAVE YOU READ THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. 08:22 AS WE QUEUE UP TO THAT, I'M GOING TO READ A COUPLE VERSES. 08:25 LOOK, FOR INSTANCE, IN LUKE 9, VERSE 9, "AND HEROD SAID, 'JOHN 08:33 I HAVE BEHEADED,'" - SPEAKING OF JOHN THE BAPTIST - "'BUT WHO IS 08:36 THIS'" - SPEAKING OF JESUS - "'WHO IS THIS OF WHOM I HEAR 08:41 SUCH THINGS?' SO HE SOUGHT TO SEE HIM." 08:44 THAT'S WHY HEROD WAS SO GLAD WHEN HE COULD FINALLY SEE JESUS 08:46 FACE TO FACE AT THE TRIAL OF CHRIST. 08:48 HE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WAITING TO SEE WHO THIS FELLA IS 08:50 FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.' YOU CAN READ THEN IN JOHN 9:35 AND 36 - 08:56 YOU REMEMBER WHEN JESUS HEALED THE BLIND MAN? 08:59 AND AFTER HE HEALED THE BLIND MAN - THE BLIND MAN HAD ACTUALLY 09:03 NEVER MET JESUS YET - AND SO JESUS, PREPARING TO REVEAL 09:07 HIMSELF TO HIM, IT SAYS HERE, "JESUS HEARD THAT THEY HAD CAST 09:12 HIM OUT; AND WHEN HE HAD FOUND HIM, HE SAID TO HIM, 'DO YOU 09:18 BELIEVE IN THE SON OF GOD?' HE ANSWERED AND SAID, 'WHO IS 09:21 HE, LORD, THAT I MAY BELIEVE IN HIM?'" 09:24 NOW THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT VERSE BECAUSE, IN ORDER FOR US 09:27 TO BE SAVED, YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN JESUS, BUT IN ORDER TO 09:30 BELIEVE IN JESUS YOU NEED TO KNOW, WHO IS HE? RIGHT? 09:34 YOU CAN'T JUST GO UP TO A PERSON ON THE STREET AND TAKE THEM BY 09:36 THE COLLAR AND SHAKE HIM AND SAY, 'BELIEVE IN JESUS.' NOW 09:39 SOME PEOPLE USE THAT METHOD BUT THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO 09:42 IT. THE PERSON NEEDS TO KNOW, 'WHO IS IT I'M SUPPOSED TO 09:45 BELIEVE IN?' THEN YOU GO TO JOHN 8, VERSE 23 09:51 - JOHN 8, VERSE 23. "AND HE SAID TO THEM" - JESUS IS 09:55 SPEAKING - "'YOU ARE FROM BENEATH; I AM FROM ABOVE. 09:59 YOU ARE OF THIS WORLD; I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD. 10:01 THEREFORE I SAY TO YOU THAT YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS; FOR IF 10:05 YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM HE, YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS.'" SO 10:09 HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO KNOW JESUS AND TO BELIEVE IN HIM? 10:13 CHRIST'S OWN WORDS SAID, 'IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN YOU'LL DIE IN 10:16 YOUR SINS.' WE'VE GOT TO KNOW HIM. 10:20 JESUS HAS NO GRANDCHILDREN. 10:23 YOU NEED TO HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. 10:26 YOU CAN'T SAY, 'WELL, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN THE CHURCH.' OR 'MY 10:31 PARENTS ARE IN THE CHURCH, MY GRANDPARENTS ARE IN THE CHURCH.' 10:34 'YEAH, MY GRANDFATHER WAS A PASTOR.' YOU EVER HEARD PEOPLE - 10:36 IT'S LIKE YOU GET SOME KIND OF - YOU GET CREDIT IF YOU'VE GOT A 10:41 LOT OF RELIGIOUS RELATIVES - YOU GET SOME KIND OF CREDIT. 10:44 WHAT DID JESUS SAY - OR JOHN THE BAPTIST, RATHER - 10:47 WHEN THE JEWS SAID, 'OH, ABRAHAM'S OUR FATHER 10:50 - WE'RE JEWS. HE'S GOT TO SAVE US. 10:52 WE'RE FROM THE CHOSEN RACE.' AND JOHN SAID, 'THE LORD IS ABLE TO 10:57 RAISE UP CHILDREN TO ABRAHAM FROM THE STONES AND MANY WILL 11:01 COME FROM THE EAST AND THE WEST.' SO WE'VE GOT TO BE 11:03 CAREFUL NOT TO THINK THAT SOMEHOW THROUGH ASSOCIATION 11:06 WE'RE SAVED. YOU NEED TO PERSONALLY KNOW HIM AND HAVE A 11:10 RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. WHO IS HE? ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. 11:13 READ FOR US JOHN 1, VERSES 10 AND 11. 11:17 >>"HE WAS IN THE WORLD, AND THE WORLD WAS MADE THROUGH HIM, 11:23 AND THE WORLD DID NOT KNOW HIM. 11:26 HE CAME TO HIS OWN, AND HIS OWN DID NOT RECEIVE HIM." 11:33 >>YES, BUT AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM, 11:34 TO THEM HE GAVE POWER TO BE THE SONS OF GOD. 11:36 SO THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION: 'HE CAME UNTO HIS OWN AND HIS OWN 11:40 DID NOT RECEIVE HIM.' NOW I WONDER HOW MANY TIMES THE LORD 11:45 HAS COME TO HIS OWN AND HIS OWN DID NOT KNOW HIM. 11:48 AND THIS IS NOT JUST DESCRIBING GOD'S PEOPLE IN THE OLD 11:50 TESTAMENT OR THE JEWISH PEOPLE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, 11:53 IT HAPPENS TO GOD'S PEOPLE TODAY. 11:55 THERE ARE CHURCHES THAT HAVE JESUS' NAME ON THE BUILDING AND 11:58 HE COMES AND THEY DON'T KNOW HIM. 12:01 AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO JESUS IS. 12:05 LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FOR JUST A MINUTE. 12:11 WHO DOES HISTORY THINK THAT JESUS IS? YOU REALIZE THAT 12:14 EVERYBODY SORT OF HAS A DIFFERENT IDEA OF CHRIST. 12:17 IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE STORY - AND YOU'VE HEARD ME USE THIS 12:19 BEFORE BUT IT FITS HERE SO I'LL USE IT AGAIN - THE SIX BLIND MEN 12:25 THAT HAD HEARD ABOUT ELEPHANTS BUT THEY'D NEVER REALLY SEEN AN 12:28 ELEPHANT BECAUSE THEY WERE BLIND AND SO A FRIEND LED THEM ALL, 12:31 HOLDING A ROPE ONE DAY, OVER TO AN ELEPHANT. 12:34 AND THEY ALL GATHERED AROUND THE ELEPHANT AND THEY GOT A 12:36 DIFFERENT PART OF THE ELEPHANT. THIS STORY IS FROM INDIA. 12:39 AND SO ONE OF THEM GOT AHOLD OF THE ELEPHANT'S TAIL AND HE SAID, 12:42 'I FINALLY UNDERSTAND THE ELEPHANT. 12:45 AN ELEPHANT IS LIKE A SNAKE - IS LIKE A ROPE.' AND THE ONE WHO 12:49 GOT AHOLD OF THE TRUNK HE SAID, 'NO, YOU'RE WRONG, AN ELEPHANT 12:52 IS LIKE A SNAKE.' AND THEN THE OTHER FRIEND CALLED - HE WAS 12:55 HOLDING ON TO THE EAR - HE SAID, 'NO, AN ELEPHANT IS LIKE A BIRD. 12:58 IT'S GOT BIG WINGS.' AND ANOTHER ONE GOT AHOLD OF THE MIDDLE PART 13:01 OF THE ELEPHANT - 'THE ELEPHANT IS LIKE A MOUNTAIN' HE SAID. 13:04 AND ANOTHER ONE GOT AHOLD OF THE ELEPHANT'S TRUNK - OR RATHER THE 13:07 ELEPHANT'S LEG - AND HE SAID, 'NO, AN ELEPHANT'S LIKE A TREE.' 13:10 AND THEN ONE OF THEM GOT AHOLD OF THE ELEPHANT'S TUSKS AND HE 13:13 SAYS, 'THE ELEPHANT IS LIKE A STICK.' AND THEY ALL HAD A HOLD 13:16 OF THE ELEPHANT BUT THEY HAD A HOLD OF A DIFFERENT PART AND 13:19 BECAUSE THEY WERE BLIND THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE ELEPHANT. 13:23 SO UNDERSTANDING WHO JESUS IS IS NOT JUST GETTING AHOLD OF ONE 13:26 ELEMENT OF HIS CHARACTER, BUT IT'S UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENT 13:31 FACETS OF HIS CHARACTER AND YOU NEED TO WALK AROUND IT. 13:34 HE IS A GOD OF LOVE BUT HE IS A GOD OF JUDGMENT. 13:39 HE IS A GOD OF MERCY AND GRACE. HE'S A GOD OF WISDOM. 13:42 AND SO IT'S LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT FACETS OF WHO JESUS IS 13:46 THAT WE UNDERSTAND HIM. AND SO - NOW SOMEONE SAID, 'IF YOU 13:48 ASK A BUDDHIST 'WHO IS JESUS?' THE BUDDHISTS SAY JESUS WAS 'ONE 13:53 OF THE ENLIGHTENED INCARNATIONS OF BUDDHA.' IF YOU ASK ISLAM AND 13:58 READ IN THE KORAN, 'WHO WAS JESUS?' 14:00 THEY BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS REAL, THAT HE WAS A HOLY MAN, 14:03 AND HE WAS ONE OF THE GREAT FIVE PROPHETS - FIVE GREATEST 14:08 PROPHETS. IF YOU ASK HINDUS 'WHO IS JESUS?' 14:11 IT SAYS THAT HE WAS ONE OF THE INCARNATIONS OF THE GOD VISHNU. 14:16 IF YOU ASK JEWS THEY WILL SAY 'JESUS WAS A GOOD MAN, MAYBE 14:21 EVEN A PROPHET.' YOU KNOW, AND SOME PEOPLE SAY, 'WELL, WE 14:25 REALLY CAN'T KNOW WHAT JESUS SAID BECAUSE THERE'S SO LITTLE 14:28 ABOUT HIM THAT YOU CAN READ.' THAT IS A MYTH. 14:31 YOU EVER HEARD THAT BEFORE? 14:32 OH, WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT JULIUS CAESAR AND WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT 14:35 ALEXANDER THE GREAT.' AND 'WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT 14:37 CHARACTERS FROM HISTORY.' BUT, IN REALITY, THERE IS MORE 14:42 WRITTEN IN HISTORY ABOUT JESUS THAN ALEXANDER THE GREAT OR - 14:46 AND A LOT OF THE HISTORIANS WERE WRITING SECOND AND THIRD HAND 14:49 ABOUT ALEXANDER. YOU KNOW, JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING 14:51 WE KNOW ABOUT JULIUS CAESAR - EVERYONE QUOTES AND TALKS ABOUT 14:54 CAESAR - BUT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT CAESAR 14:57 COMES FROM SOME OF THE HISTORICAL LETTERS OF CICERO. 15:01 THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT WAS WRITTEN BUT WE DON'T EVER 15:04 QUESTION THAT. BUT WE QUESTION WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT JESUS. 15:08 YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE OF THE MIRACLES. 15:11 THEY SAY, 'WELL, HOW COULD THIS BE TRUE. 15:13 BUT WHAT THE HISTORIANS - HIS CONTEMPORARIES - WROTE ABOUT HIM 15:16 - EVEN THOSE WHO WERE NOT GOSPEL WRITERS LIKE FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS, 15:24 WHO LIVED DURING THE TIME OF CHRIST - 15:25 HAVE YOU READ WHAT HE WROTE ABOUT JESUS? 15:28 WE DON'T QUESTION JOSEPHUS - WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT THE HISTORY 15:31 OF THE JEWS AND THE JEWISH WARS AND THE ROMANS. 15:33 WE ALL WRITE THAT DOWN LIKE FACT BUT HAVE YOU READ WHAT HE SAID 15:36 ABOUT JESUS? I'LL READ IT. IT'S ONLY ONE COMMENT BECAUSE HE 15:40 JUST GOES THROUGH HISTORY AND HE RECORDS WHAT WAS WRITTEN. 15:43 "ABOUT THIS TIME THERE LIVED JESUS, A WISE MAN, IF INDEED ONE 15:48 OUGHT TO CALL HIM A MAN, FOR HE WAS ONE WHO PERFORMED SURPRISING 15:52 DEEDS AND WAS A TEACHER OF SUCH PEOPLE AS GLADLY RECEIVED THE 15:56 TRUTH. HE WON OVER MANY OF THE JEWS AND MANY OF THE GREEKS. 16:00 HE WAS THE MESSIAH." THIS IS A JEWISH HISTORIAN. 16:03 WHAT DID HE SAY? HE WAS THE MESSIAH. 16:06 HE SAYS IT AS A PASSING COMMENT. "AND WHEN, UPON THE ACCUSATION 16:09 OF THE PRINCIPLE MEN AMONG US, PILATE HAD 16:12 CONDEMNED HIM TO A CROSS, THOSE WHO HAD FIRST COME TO LOVE HIM 16:16 DID NOT CEASE, HE APPEARED TO THEM SPENDING A THIRD DAY 16:20 RESTORED TO LIFE, FOR THE PROPHETS OF GOD HAD FORETOLD 16:23 THESE THINGS AND A THOUSAND OTHER MARVELS ABOUT HIM AND THE 16:26 TRIBE OF CHRISTIANS, SO CALLED AFTER 16:28 HIM, IS STILL WITH US TO THIS DAY." 16:31 THAT'S IN THE JEWISH ANTIQUITIES 18.3.3 @63 IF YOU WANT TO LOOK 16:36 IT UP FOR YOURSELF. AND SO HISTORY RECORDS JESUS 16:40 REALLY LIVED. WHY DO WE SAY THAT THIS IS 2014? 16:45 HOW DID WE COME UP WITH 2014 WHAT? THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 2014 16:49 YEARS AD - ANNO DOMINI - THEY CALL IT NOW THE CE - 16:54 THE COMMON ERA. THEY'VE RE - INSTEAD OF IT BEING 16:59 THE YEAR OF THE LORD AD, PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IN 17:01 JESUS AND ATHEISTS THEY SAY, 'WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DATE. 17:05 LET'S CALL IT THE COMMON ERA.' WELL, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE 17:07 CHRISTIAN ERA - AD - AND SO, THEY'RE TRYING TO DISTANCE 17:11 THEMSELVES. BUT WHERE DO WE COME UP WITH THAT? 17:14 WELL, THEY DATED IT FROM THE DEATH OF CHRIST. 17:17 SO THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT JESUS LIVED, THE QUESTION IS 17:20 'WHO IS HE?' AND 'WHO IS HE TO YOU?' 17:25 WELL, WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT HIMSELF? 17:27 HE CLAIMED TO BE THE MESSIAH, HE CLAIMED TO BE THE SON OF GOD, 17:33 AND HE CLAIMED TO BE GOD. THOSE ARE PRETTY OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS. 17:38 THIS IS WHERE I LIKE TO QUOTE C.S. LEWIS, "A MAN WHO IS 17:44 MERELY A MAN - IF HE SAID THE SORT OF THINGS THAT JESUS SAID, 17:47 HE WOULDN'T BE A GREAT MORAL TEACHER. 17:49 HE'D EITHER BE A LUNATIC ON THE LEVEL OF A MAN WHO SAYS HE'S A 17:52 POACHED EGG OR ELSE HE'D BE THE DEVIL OF HELL. 17:56 YOU MUST MAKE YOUR CHOICE. EITHER THIS MAN WAS AND IS THE 17:59 SON OF GOD OR HE IS A MADMAN OR SOMETHING WORSE." 18:03 THAT'S RIGHT, YOU ONLY HAVE THREE CHOICES. 18:05 JESUS IS LIAR, LUNATIC, OR LORD. BECAUSE OF THE CLAIMS HE MADE, 18:12 I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER OPTIONS? 18:14 IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION? HE WAS EITHER CRAZY OR HE WAS A 18:16 DECEIVER, OR HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. 18:19 WELL, WE BELIEVE THAT HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH BECAUSE THEN 18:23 HE BACKED UP HIS GREAT CLAIMS WITH GREAT DEEDS AND GREAT 18:28 MIRACLES, RIGHT? SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHO JESUS WAS. 18:32 JEREMIAH 9 - NOW SOMEBODY LOOK UP FOR ME JOHN 14:7. 18:36 I'LL JUST GET YOU READY. 18:40 YOU GOT - MAYBE I GAVE YOU - YEP, THAT'S IT. 18:42 I'M SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT RICHARD - YOU'RE THE ONE. 18:44 HOLD UP YOUR HAND. WE'LL GET YOU A MICROPHONE. 18:46 YEAH, GET A MICROPHONE OVER TO HIM. YEAH, I GAVE THE WRONG 18:48 VERSE - JOHN 14:17 - AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT. 18:53 JEREMIAH 9:23 IS WHERE I WANT YOU TO READ RIGHT NOW. 18:57 TALKING ABOUT KNOWING WHO JESUS WAS. 18:59 "THUS SAYS THE LORD: 'LET NOT THE WISE MAN GLORY IN HIS 19:03 WISDOM, LET NOT THE MIGHTY MAN GLORY IN HIS MIGHT, NOR LET THE 19:07 RICH MAN GLORY IN HIS RICHES; BUT LET HIM WHO GLORIES GLORY IN 19:11 THIS,'" - GLORY MEANS BOAST - "'THAT HE UNDERSTANDS AND KNOWS 19:18 ME,'" - IF YOU THINK WHAT WOULD LEAD TO REAL HAPPINESS. 19:23 WELL, FOR A MAN, IF YOU COULD BE STRONG, FAMOUS AND POWERFUL AND 19:27 RICH - THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT. 19:29 IT'S WHAT THE DEVIL OFFERS. 19:30 BUT WHAT DOES GOD SAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU 19:32 COULD BE THANKFUL FOR? PURPOSE OF LIFE? 19:34 'THAT YOU KNOW ME.' THAT IS ETERNAL LIFE. - 19:38 "'LET HIM WHO GLORIES GLORY IN THIS: THAT HE UNDERSTANDS AND 19:41 KNOWS ME THAT I AM THE LORD, EXERCISING LOVING KINDNESS, 19:45 JUDGMENT, AND RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THE EARTH. 19:47 FOR IN THESE I DELIGHT.'" YOU GO TO JOHN 17, VERSE 2 - THIS IS IN 19:53 THAT GREAT INTERCESSORY PRAYER OF JESUS, "AS YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM 19:56 AUTHORITY OVER ALL FLESH, THAT HE SHOULD GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO 19:59 AS MANY AS YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM. AND THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE," - 20:03 WHAT IS IT? - "THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD," - 20:08 WHAT IS ETERNAL LIFE? TO KNOW HIM. 20:10 SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND STUDYING THE SUBJECT OF THE SON 20:13 TODAY, IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR US TO JUST TALK ABOUT JESUS, WE NEED 20:16 TO SAY, 'DO WE KNOW HIM?' DO WE HAVE A PERSONAL 20:20 RELATIONSHIP? DO YOU TALK TO HIM AFTER CHURCH 20:22 IS OVER AND THROUGH THE WEEK? OR DO YOU JUST THINK ABOUT HIM 20:25 ONCE A WEEK OR WHEN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE? 20:27 IS HE A REGULAR FRIEND IN THE GOOD TIMES AND BAD AND IN THE 20:30 BORING TIMES? I MEAN, HE SHOULD BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. 20:35 THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW YOU THE ONLY TRUE 20:39 GOD AND JESUS CHRIST WHO YOU SENT. 20:41 KNOWING GOD IN CHRIST IS ETERNAL LIFE. 20:44 ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD RICHARD, READ FOR US JOHN 14:17. 20:49 >>"THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, BECAUSE IT 20:52 NEITHER SEES HIM NOR KNOWS HIM; BUT YOU KNOW HIM, FOR HE DWELLS 20:58 WITH YOU AND WILL BE IN YOU." 21:00 >>THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE CHRIST BECAUSE IT DOES NOT KNOW 21:04 HIM. A LOT OF PEOPLE DISMISS JESUS. 21:07 THEY SCOFF, THEY LAUGH - YOU MENTION JESUS' NAME, THEY TURN 21:10 AWAY. 'OH NO.' - THEY ROLL THEIR EYES. 21:12 THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HIM. THEY CAN'T KNOW - 21:16 THEY'VE GOT A DIFFERENT SPIRIT AND THEY'RE BLIND. 21:19 WHAT WILL JESUS DECLARE TO THE LOST? 21:26 MANY SAY, 'LORD, LORD' - AND HE SAYS, 'DEPART FROM ME YE WHO 21:29 WORK INIQUITY, I NEVER - I NEVER KNEW YOU.' GOD WANTS TO KNOW US. 21:35 HE WANTS TO HAVE THAT INTIMATE LOVING RELATIONSHIP WITH US AND 21:38 WHEN I SAY INTIMATE, JUST REMEMBER IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IT 21:42 SAYS, 'ADAM KNEW HIS WIFE' - THEY HAD A BABY. 21:46 I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE A MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIP AND THE LORD WANTS 21:50 TO HAVE A LOVING RELATIONSHIP WITH US. 21:53 I LIKE WHEN JESUS TALKED TO THE WOMAN AT THE WELL. 21:56 IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHO HE WAS - SOME SAY - I'VE 22:01 HEARD PEOPLE SAY BEFORE, 'JESUS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE 22:04 THE MESSIAH.' OH YES HE DID. 22:07 JOHN 4:25, SPEAKING TO THE WOMAN AT THE WELL, SHE SAID, "'I KNOW 22:13 THAT MESSIAH IS COMING' (WHO IS CALLED CHRIST). 22:17 'WHEN HE COMES, HE WILL TELL US ALL THINGS.' JESUS SAID TO HER, 22:21 'I WHO SPEAK TO YOU AM HE.'" CAN THAT BE MISUNDERSTOOD? 22:28 SHE UNDERSTOOD IT BECAUSE SHE DROPPED HER WATER POT, RAN TO 22:30 TOWN, AND SAID, 'WE FOUND HIM OF WHOM MOSES 22:34 AND THE PROPHETS DID SPEAK. 22:36 COME SEE THE MAN WHO TOLD ME ALL THINGS EVER I DID.' IF YOU LOOK 22:39 IN MATTHEW 26, WHEN JESUS WAS BEING TRIED "AND THE HIGH PRIEST 22:45 ANSWERED AND SAID TO HIM, 'I PUT YOU UNDER OATH BY THE LIVING 22:48 GOD: TELL US IF YOU ARE THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD!'" 22:52 THAT'S A PRETTY PLAIN QUESTION. HE SAID, 'TELL US ALREADY. 22:55 YOU'VE BEEN BEATING AROUND' - YOU NOTICE JESUS TOLD OTHER 22:57 PEOPLE BUT HE DIDN'T TELL THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS. 23:00 HE WANTED THEM TO DISCOVER BY EVIDENCE. 23:04 GOD GAVE LOTS OF EVIDENCE IN THE WORD. 23:06 YOU REMEMBER WHEN JOHN THE BAPTIST - I'LL GET BACK TO THIS 23:09 VERSE, DON'T THINK I FORGOT. WHEN JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS IN 23:14 JAIL, HE STARTED GETTING DISCOURAGED. 23:16 HE KEPT WAITING FOR JESUS TO MAKE SOME GRAND ANNOUNCEMENT 23:19 THAT HE WAS THE MESSIAH AND HE DIDN'T. 23:22 AND JOHN - THE DEVIL STARTED WORKING ON HIS - HIS CONFIDENCE 23:25 AND JOHN SENT SOME MESSENGERS TO JESUS. 23:27 THEY SAID, 'ARE YOU THE ONE WE'RE WAITING FOR OR DO WE LOOK 23:30 FOR ANOTHER?' JESUS DIDN'T SAY, 'YES, I'M THE 23:33 ONE.' YOU KNOW WHAT HE DID? HE TOLD THE MESSENGERS, 'STAND 23:37 BY.' AND THEY HAD TO WATCH HIM AS HE TAUGHT AND HE HEALED AND 23:41 HE OPENED PEOPLE'S EYES AND HE FORGAVE SINS. 23:46 AND THEN HE TURNED BACK TO THEM AND HE SAID, 'YOU GO TELL JOHN 23:48 WHAT YOU SAW AND THAT SHOULD ANSWER HIS QUESTION.' IN OTHER 23:51 WORDS, 'I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER YOU YES OR KNOW. 23:54 I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE EVIDENCE IN THE WORD THAT TELLS 23:56 ABOUT WHAT THE MINISTRY OF THE MESSIAH WOULD BE.' BECAUSE IT 23:59 SAID IN ISAIAH 61, 'THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME. 24:01 HE'S ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR, TO OPEN THE 24:04 EYES OF THE BLIND, TO HEAL THE BROKENHEARTED, TO SET AT LIBERTY 24:08 THOSE THAT ARE CAPTIVE.' AND SO IT TOLD EXACTLY WHAT THE MESSIAH 24:12 WOULD DO IN THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECIES AND THEN JESUS DID IT 24:15 IN FRONT OF THE MESSENGERS OF JOHN AND SAID, 'NOW YOU GO BACK 24:18 AND TELL HIM WHAT YOU SAW.' SO THE LORD, HE WANTED THEM TO KNOW 24:23 THE EVIDENCE IN THE WORD. BUT FINALLY, THE HIGH PRIEST, HE 24:27 COULDN'T STAND IT ANYMORE AND HE SAID, 'TELL US. 24:29 ARE YOU THE ONE?' AND JESUS SAID - BECAUSE HE SAID 24:32 IT WITH AN OATH UNDER THE NAME OF GOD. 24:34 CHRIST SAID, OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, "IT IS AS YOU SAID." 24:42 WHAT DID HE SAY? 'TELL US IF YOU'RE THE CHRIST, 24:43 THE SON OF GOD.' JESUS SAID, 'IT IS AS YOU SAID. 24:46 I AM WHAT YOU SAID.' ISN'T THAT WHAT HE'S SAYING? 24:50 "NEVERTHELESS...HEREAFTER YOU WILL SEE THE SON OF MAN SITTING 24:53 AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER AND COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." 24:57 IS THERE ANY QUESTION THAT HE WAS CLAIMING DIVINITY? 25:00 THEY UNDERSTOOD HE WAS CLAIMING DIVINITY BECAUSE THE HIGH PRIEST 25:03 THEN TORE HIS ROBES AND SAID, 'THIS IS BLASPHEMY! 25:06 YOU'RE CLAIMING TO BE GOD!' AND THAT'S WHEN THEY CONDEMNED 25:09 HIM TO DIE. THERE WAS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. 25:13 SO - AND, BY THE WAY, ANOTHER TIME, WHEN THEY THREATENED TO 25:18 STONE JESUS, JESUS SAID, 'BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM.' NOW, YOU 25:24 MIGHT THINK, 'WELL, I AM WHAT?' JESUS WAS SAYING THE SAME THING 25:28 THAT GOD SAID TO MOSES WHEN HE SAID, 'WHO ARE YOU SO I CAN TELL 25:33 THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?' GOD SAID, 'I AM THAT I AM.' - 25:36 I'M NOT ONE OF THE GODS. 25:38 I'M NOT THE GOD OF THE RIVER AND I'M NOT THE GOD OF THE FROGS AND 25:42 I'M - THE EGYPTIANS HAD THE GOD OF THE SUN - THEY HAD ALL THESE 25:44 DIFFERENT GODS AND GOD SAID TO MOSES, SO HE WOULDN'T CONFUSE 25:49 THEM - HE SAID, 'I AM THE SELF-EXISTENT ONE. 25:51 I'M THE ONE THAT MAKES EVERYTHING ELSE. 25:53 I AM THAT I AM.' JESUS SAID THE SAME THING. 25:57 HE SAID, 'BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM.' AND IF YOU THINK, 'WELL, 26:01 WHAT DID THAT MEAN?' THE JEWS KNEW WHAT THAT MEANT. 26:04 THEY TOOK UP STONES TO STONE HIM FOR BLASPHEMY AND THEY SAID, 26:07 'BECAUSE YOU, BEING A MAN, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.' 26:12 WELL, HE DID MAKE HIMSELF GOD. 26:14 DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE RICH YOUNG RULER CAME TO JESUS? 26:17 HE SAID, 'LORD, I WANT ETERNAL LIFE.' CHRIST SAID, 'KEEP THE 26:21 COMMANDMENTS.' FIRST - NO, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT - HE SAID, 'GOOD 26:25 MASTER, WHAT GOOD THINGS SHOULD I DO THAT I MIGHT HAVE ETERNAL 26:27 LIFE?' AND JESUS SAID, 'WHY DO YOU CALL 26:29 ME GOOD? NONE IS GOOD BUT GOD. 26:33 NO ONE IS PURELY GOOD BUT GOD BECAUSE ALL HAVE SINNED.' IS ANY 26:37 MAN GOOD? ALL HAVE TURNED AWAY, THE BIBLE SAYS, RIGHT? 26:43 ALL HAVE FALLEN. ALL HAVE SINNED. 26:44 BUT JESUS SAID, 'NO ONE IS GOOD BUT GOD AND YOU'RE CALLING ME 26:46 GOOD MASTER.' SO WHAT WAS JESUS SAYING? 26:49 THAT NONE IS GOOD BUT GOD? IF ONLY GOD COULD FORGIVE SIN 26:52 AND JESUS FORGAVE SIN, WHAT WAS JESUS SAYING? 26:56 HE WAS GOD THE SON. YOU EVER THINK ABOUT THAT? 26:59 HOW BIG GOD IS AND THAT GOD CAME TO EARTH AND BECAME A MAN TO 27:04 SHOW US WHAT HE WAS LIKE? THAT WAS A LOT OF LOVE TO DO THAT. 27:10 NOW, EVEN THOUGH JESUS WAS GOD, WAS HE MAN? 27:16 JUST LET ME GIVE YOU A COUPLE THINGS TO LOOK AT. 27:19 DID JESUS EXIST BEFORE HE WAS BORN? NOW I AM COVERING THE 27:25 LESSON, I'M JUST BOUNCING AROUND A LITTLE, SO STAY WITH ME. 27:31 MICAH 5, VERSE 2 - NOW THESE ARE VERSES WE TYPICALLY READ AROUND 27:34 CHRISTMAS - MICAH 5:2 - BUT IT'S A GOOD VERSE FOR THE THEOLOGY. 27:39 "BUT YOU, BETHLEHEM EPHRATHAH," - AND THE REASON HE SAYS 27:43 'BETHLEHEM EPHRATHAH' - BETHLEHEM WAS A SEMI-COMMON 27:46 NAME. THERE WERE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF TOWNS IN THE LAND OF 27:51 CANAAN CALLED BETHLEHEM - IT JUST MEANS 'HOUSE OF BREAD' - 27:53 IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON NAME, IT JUST MEANT A PLACE WHERE THEY 27:56 GROUND BREAD. AND SO TO AVOID IT BEING MISUNDERSTOOD WITH ANOTHER 28:01 BETHLEHEM, HE SAYS, 'BETHLEHEM EPHRATHAH' - THAT'S THE 28:05 BETHLEHEM WHERE RACHEL DIED GIVING BIRTH TO BENJAMIN AND 28:09 IT'S THE BETHLEHEM THAT WAS RIGHT BY JERUSALEM - SO THERE'D 28:12 BE NO QUESTION ABOUT WHICH BETHLEHEM THIS WAS. 28:15 "BUT YOU, BETHLEHEM EPHRATHAH, THOUGH YOU ARE LITTLE AMONG THE 28:17 THOUSANDS OF JUDAH," - IT FURTHER TELLS US THIS WAS THE 28:21 BETHLEHEM IN THE SOUTHERN KINGDOM - IN JUDAH - "'YET OUT 28:24 OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH TO ME THE ONE TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL, 28:28 WHOSE GOINGS FORTH ARE FROM OLD, FROM EVERLASTING.'" 28:32 HIS GOINGS FORTH ARE FROM EVERLASTING. 28:36 NOW, SOME HAVE READ - THERE'S AN INTERESTING CHAPTER IN PROVERBS 28:41 WHERE SOLOMON IS TALKING ABOUT WISDOM. AND IN THAT CHAPTER 28:46 WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT WISDOM - AND THIS IS IN PROVERBS 8:22 - 28:50 IT SAYS, "THE LORD POSSESSED ME IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS WAY, 28:55 BEFORE HIS WORKS OF OLD. I WAS SET UP FROM EVERLASTING, 29:00 FROM THE BEGINNING, OR EVER THE EARTH WAS. 29:05 WHEN THERE WERE NO DEPTHS I WAS BROUGHT FORTH;" 29:08 - NOW SOME THINK THAT THAT IS A PROPHECY ABOUT JESUS AND THEY 29:13 USE THAT CHAPTER TO SAY, 'DID CHRIST EVER HAVE A BEGINNING? 29:17 WELL, IT SAYS HE WAS BROUGHT FORTH.' 29:19 WHY IS JESUS CALLED THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON? 29:23 I MEAN, WOULDN'T YOU THINK THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS BEGOTTEN, THERE 29:27 WAS A MOMENT WHEN THEY WERE BEGOT? YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 29:31 A LOT OF DEAR PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT LOVE THE LORD - THEY LOVE 29:36 THE BIBLE - BUT THEY STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA OF THE TRINITY. 29:41 AND IT'S NOT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A FATHER, SON AND HOLY 29:44 SPIRIT, BUT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS ETERNAL GOD. 29:50 THEY BELIEVE JESUS CREATED THE WORLD, BUT THEY BELIEVE THERE 29:53 WAS A POINT WHEN JESUS DID NOT EXIST. 29:56 THEY BELIEVE THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE BEFORE HE EXISTED BUT GOD 29:59 THE FATHER, BUT AT SOME POINT - THEY STRUGGLE WITH THIS - IN THE 30:04 REMOTE RECESSES OF ETERNITY - GO BACK AS FAR AS YOU CAN GO - 30:07 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO WARP SPEED - GO BACK AS FAR AS YOU 30:10 CAN GO INTO THE DARK RECESSES - THERE'S NO STARS, NO NOTHING, 30:13 BUT THERE'S JUST GOD AND GOD WAS LONELY AND HE BEGOT A SON. 30:21 THEY SAY, 'HE HAD TO HAVE A BEGINNING.' AND SO THEY SAY, 30:25 'HE'S NOT EQUAL WITH THE FATHER BECAUSE HE WAS BORN. 30:31 OTHERWISE, HOW CAN HE BE THE BEGOTTEN SON? 30:33 THEY STRUGGLE WITH THAT WORD 'BEGOT'. 30:35 BUT DON'T STRUGGLE WITH THAT. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE WAS 30:37 ONLY ONE TIME WHEN GOD WAS BEGOTTEN AS A MAN. 30:41 SO WHEN CHRIST CAME INTO THIS WORLD, HE WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN 30:45 SON OF GOD WHERE GOD TOOK ON THE FORM OF A MAN. 30:48 BUT JESUS LIVED ETERNALLY - DOESN'T CHRIST SAY, 'I AM THE 30:52 ALPHA AND THE OMEGA'? THAT MEANS YOU FIGURE OUT HOW 30:55 FAR YOU CAN GO IN THAT DIRECTION AND HOW FAR - HE'S ALWAYS BEEN. 30:58 HE'S - 'FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING THOU ART GOD.' IT 31:03 SAYS ABOUT JESUS. NOW HERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS 31:04 THAT THAT IDEA THAT JESUS HAD A BEGINNING DOESN'T WORK. 31:09 AND I BELIEVE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SINCERE AND THEY STRUGGLE 31:12 WITH IT AND I KNOW THE VERSES THAT MAKE THEM STRUGGLE, 31:14 BUT I THINK THEY'RE WRONG. IT IS TRUE - THERE ARE SOME OF 31:20 THE FOUNDERS IN THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH THAT WERE 31:23 ARYANS - THEY DID NOT BELIEVE IN THE 31:27 ETERNAL EXISTENCE OF CHRIST. THEY THOUGHT THAT JESUS HAD A 31:30 BEGINNING. THEY STRUGGLED WITH THE CONCEPT 31:31 OF THE TRINITY. BUT THEY WERE WRONG. 31:35 JAMES WHITE AND ELLEN WHITE, THEY BELIEVED THAT. 31:38 THERE WAS EVEN A DIVISION AMONG THE EARLY ADVENTISTS ON THAT - 31:40 BUT WHEN THEY STUDIED IT OUT - AND THEN SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, 31:42 'WELL, WE CAN'T BELIEVE THAT.' 'WELL, WHY NOT?' 31:45 'BECAUSE THE CATHOLICS BELIEVE IT.' AS THOUGH ANYTHING 31:48 CATHOLICS BELIEVE IS AUTOMATICALLY YOU'VE GOT TO 31:49 BELIEVE THE OPPOSITE. WHERE DO WE GET THAT? 31:52 YES, IT'S TRUE CATHOLICS BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY - OF COURSE, 31:55 THEY BELIEVE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. YOU KNOW, THEY 31:59 SORT OF BELIEVE THAT MARY WAS ALSO A SINLESS BIRTH - 32:03 THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION IS NOT ABOUT JESUS, IT'S ABOUT MARY. 32:07 AND YOU CAN PRAY TO MARY AND SHE INTERCEDES SO MARY IS ALSO A 32:10 MEDIATOR - SO THEY ALMOST HAVE A HOLY QUARTET AS OPPOSED TO A 32:13 TRINITY, SO THE CATHOLIC VERSION IS REALLY DIFFERENT. 32:16 DO CATHOLICS BELIEVE IN REVERENCE IN CHURCH? 32:19 YEAH, SO DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN'T BELIEVE IN IT BECAUSE THEY DO? 32:21 I MEAN, IT'S CRAZY, THE IDEA THAT JUST BECAUSE CATHOLICS 32:23 BELIEVE SOMETHING IT MUST BE WRONG. 32:25 SO ANYWAY, HERE'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT IDEA: IS GOD 32:30 LOVE? HOW LONG HAS HE BEEN LOVE? 32:34 FROM EVERLASTING HE'S BEEN LOVE, RIGHT? 32:38 CAN YOU BE LOVE AND HAVE NOBODY TO LOVE? 32:41 HOW CAN YOU BE LOVE AND NOT BE ABLE TO EXPRESS IT? 32:46 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. SO IN ORDER FOR GOD TO BE LOVE, 32:51 THAT LOVE MUST ALWAYS HAVE FOUND SOME EXPRESSION. 32:54 YOU CAN'T HAVE LOVE WITH ONE PERSON. THE DEVIL TRIED - 32:57 IT'S SELF-LOVE - AND YOU END UP SELF-DESTRUCTING, RIGHT? 33:01 LOVE MUST ALWAYS BE GIVEN AWAY FOR IT TO BE LOVE. 33:04 THE SON HAD TO ALWAYS EXIST FOR GOD TO BE LOVE. 33:07 THE OTHER REASON IS THE BIBLE SAYS 'ALL THINGS THAT WERE MADE 33:12 WERE MADE BY HIM. WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING 33:14 MADE - NOT ANYTHING WAS MADE - THAT WAS MADE.' IF THE FATHER 33:19 MADE JESUS THEN JESUS DIDN'T MAKE HIMSELF THEN THAT VERSE 33:22 ISN'T TRUE. SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? 33:26 IF ALL THINGS THAT WERE MADE WERE MADE BY CHRIST - IT DOESN'T 33:30 SAY 'EXCEPT HIMSELF' - THAT MEANS ALL THINGS. 33:34 THAT MEANS JESUS WASN'T MADE. JESUS IS NOT A CREATURE - 33:39 A CREATURE IS SOMETHING CREATED. DID YOU GET THAT? 33:43 JESUS IS A CREATOR. 33:45 AND SO THE IDEA THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THE TRINITY OF CHRIST, IT 33:48 DIMINISHES THE SACRIFICE THAT JESUS MADE BECAUSE WHAT'S 33:52 HAPPENING THEN, WHEN IT SAYS, 'GOD GAVE HIS SON' - IT'S LIKE 33:55 GOD SAYING, 'I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THERE AND DIE, I'LL JUST 33:57 CREATE SOMEBODY TO DIE FOR ME.' BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. 34:02 GOD, HIMSELF, CAME TO THE WORLD AND DIED FOR US. SO THERE'S A 34:07 LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT IDEA THAT JESUS WAS BORN. 34:11 SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN IN PROVERBS - WE WERE JUST READING THOSE 34:13 VERSES IN PROVERBS - WHEN IT SAYS, IN CHAPTER 8, "THE LORD 34:18 POSSESSED ME AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS WAY...I WAS SET UP FROM 34:22 EVERLASTING...I WAS BROUGHT FORTH...BEFORE THE MOUNTAINS 34:25 WERE SETTLED, BEFORE THE HILLS, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH." 34:28 YOU READ EARLIER IN THAT CHAPTER IT'S TALKING ABOUT WISDOM - IT'S 34:32 NOT ABOUT JESUS, IT'S ABOUT WISDOM. IT IS A SOLILOQUY - 34:36 IT'S POETIC. PROVERBS IS TALKING ABOUT WISDOM 34:39 - 'WISDOM HAS BUILT ITS HOUSE.' IT'S ALMOST GIVING PERSONALITY 34:42 TO WISDOM. IT'S NOT ABOUT JESUS. JUST DON'T FORGET THAT AND 34:45 YOU'LL HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS. 34:46 IT'S TALKING ABOUT WISDOM WAS BROUGHT FORTH AT THE VERY 34:48 BEGINNING. GOD DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT WISDOM. 34:51 THAT'S ALL IT'S SAYING. SO JESUS HAS ALWAYS EXISTED. 34:56 ALRIGHT, THE SON OF MAN - ONE OF THE FAVORITE TITLES OF CHRIST. 35:00 SOMEONE LOOK UP FOR ME DANIEL 7:13 - WHO HAS THAT VERSE? 35:05 WE'LL GET YOU A MICROPHONE, CATHLEEN. 35:07 AND I'M GOING TO READ EZEKIEL 3:17. 35:11 JESUS' FAVORITE DESIGNATION FOR HIMSELF WAS 'THE SON OF MAN.' HE 35:16 USED IT ABOUT 87 TIMES IN THE GOSPELS. 35:20 OF THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS, WHO DO YOU THINK USES THAT TERM 35:23 THE MOST? OF THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS? EZEKIEL. 35:29 EZEKIEL USES THE PHRASE 'SON OF MAN' MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. 35:33 MATTER OF FACT, OFTEN WHEN GOD SPOKE TO EZEKIEL HE SAID, 'SON 35:35 OF MAN DO THIS. SON OF MAN DO THAT.' WHY? 35:37 I DON'T KNOW BUT THAT'S THE WAY HE ADDRESSED EZEKIEL AND HE 35:40 DIDN'T ALWAYS THE OTHER PROPHETS. 35:45 YOU CAN SEE IN VERSE - EZEKIEL 3:17, "SON OF MAN, I HAVE MADE 35:48 THEE A WATCHMAN UNTO THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; THEREFORE HEAR THE 35:51 WORD AT MY MOUTH, AND GIVE THEM WARNING FROM ME." 35:55 NOW JESUS REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS 'SON OF MAN' - WHY? 36:01 HE WANTED US TO KNOW THAT HE LOVED US AND HE'S IDENTIFYING 36:05 WITH US - THAT HE BECAME ONE OF US TO SAVE US. 36:09 HE LOVED TO REMIND US THAT HE BECAME ONE OF US. 36:12 NOW, KEEP IN MIND, AS WE TALK ABOUT JESUS AND YOU TALK ABOUT 36:16 DIVINITY - ANY PREACHER THAT DOES THIS NEEDS TO DO IT WITH A 36:20 PRETTY HEALTHY DOSE OF HUMILITY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO KEEP IN 36:23 MIND, AS THE HEAVENS ARE HIGH ABOVE THE EARTH, 36:26 SO ARE HIS WAYS ABOVE OUR WAYS. 36:28 AND SO AS I'M NOW ATTEMPTING TO TEACH YOU ABOUT JESUS AND THE 36:31 NATURE AND CHARACTER OF JESUS, WE'RE ON HOLY GROUND AND YOU'VE 36:35 GOT TO ADMIT YOU DON'T - THERE'S MYSTERIES. 36:37 THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS. 36:39 YOU'VE GOT THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY IN THE BIBLE, YOU'VE 36:42 GOT THE MYSTERY OF GOD. AND HOW GOD COULD STILL BE GOD 36:47 AND BECOME HUMAN - THE INCARNATION - IS A MYSTERY. 36:51 THERE'S THINGS ABOUT IT THAT EVERY HONEST PREACHER IS GOING 36:53 TO SAY, 'I CAN'T FULLY EXPLAIN. IF I COULD THEN I'D BE GOD 36:58 BECAUSE HOW CAN I EXPLAIN GOD?' I MEAN, HE'S THE CREATOR. 37:03 WE'RE CREATURES. IT'S MUCH BIGGER. 37:05 IT'S WONDERFUL AS HE REVEALS ELEMENTS AND OUR MINDS CONTINUE 37:08 TO GO 'WOW!' THROUGH ETERNITY GOD'LL CONTINUE 37:10 TO SHOW US NEW TRUTH AND WE'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT HE KNOWS EVEN 37:14 THOUGH WE'LL FOREVER BE LEARNING. 37:16 DOES GOD LEARN? THAT'S A TRICK QUESTION. 37:22 I WAS STUDYING WITH SOME FRIENDS OF MINE THAT GO DOOR TO DOOR TWO 37:26 BY TWO AND THEY GIVE BIBLE STUDIES. 37:29 THEY CAME TO OUR HOUSE, I WAS STUDYING WITH THEM, AND 37:31 BASICALLY THEY SAID, 'YEAH, OUR GOD IS ACTUALLY THE GOD OF OUR 37:34 UNIVERSE BUT THERE ARE OTHER GODS OF OTHER UNIVERSES AND OUR 37:37 GOD USED TO BE A LOWER CREATURE AND OVER TIME HE CONTINUED TO 37:41 LEARN UNTIL HE WAS PROMOTED TO BE GOD OF HIS OWN UNIVERSE.' 37:45 AND YOU KNOW WHAT CHURCH THIS IS? 37:49 AND SO I SAID, 'YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT GOD CONTINUES TO LEARN?' 37:52 'YES.' I SAID, 'DOES GOD KNOW EVERYTHING?' 'WELL, COMPARED TO 37:56 US HE KNOWS EVERYTHING.' I SAID, 'WAIT A SECOND. 37:59 DOES THE BIBLE SAY THAT GOD IS OMNISCIENT? 38:02 IS HE ALL-KNOWING?' IF YOU'RE LEARNING AND YOU KNOW 38:06 ETERNITY IN THE FUTURE AND YOU KNOW ETERNITY IN THE PAST. 38:09 IF YOU ARE THE QUINTESSENCE OF KNOWLEDGE THEN YOU'RE NOT 38:13 LEARNING ANYTHING. IT'S SORT OF LIKE BEING A 38:17 TEENAGER - YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. 38:23 GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING, RIGHT? SO IS HE EVER LEARNING? 38:28 YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THERE ARE EVEN SOME PASTORS OUT 38:30 THERE THAT SAY, 'GOD'S ON A JOURNEY.' GOD'S ON A JOURNEY 38:33 LIKE 'HE'S FINDING OUT WHAT'S AROUND THE NEXT CORNER.' I HEARD 38:38 A PASTOR ON THE RADIO SAY THAT YESTERDAY - SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 38:41 HE SAID, 'GOD DIDN'T KNOW WHAT JONAH WAS GOING TO DO. 38:44 HE WAS KIND OF WAITING TO FIND OUT.' 38:45 I SAID, 'WHAT? GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING. 38:48 HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 38:50 IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE A FREE WILL. 38:52 THE FACT THAT HE'S ALL-KNOWING AND SOVEREIGN DOESN'T MEAN THAT 38:55 WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. HE KNOWS WHAT OUR CHOICE IS 38:57 GOING TO BE BUT YOU STILL HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE. 39:01 HE GIVES IT TO YOU AND HE RESPECTS THAT. 39:03 HE JUST KNOWS EVERYTHING. ALRIGHT, DANIEL 7:13 - 39:08 WHO HAS THAT? LET'S GO AHEAD AND READ THAT. 39:11 >>DANIEL 7:13, "I WAS WATCHING IN THE NIGHT VISIONS, AND 39:16 BEHOLD, ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN, COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF 39:20 HEAVEN! HE CAME TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS, 39:24 AND THEY BROUGHT HIM NEAR BEFORE HIM." 39:26 >>YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE PLACES 39:29 IN THE BIBLE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SEE A GLIMPSE OF THE FATHER AND 39:32 THE SON TOGETHER. YOU SEE A LOT OF ANALOGIES OF 39:36 THAT IN THE BIBLE WHERE ABRAHAM IS GOING UP THE MOUNTAIN WITH 39:39 ISAAC. AND YOU CAN SEE PICTURES OF THE 39:43 FATHER AND THE SON. YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THE LOVE OF 39:48 JACOB FOR JOSEPH. JOSEPH WAS AN OLD MAN - I'M 39:51 SORRY, JACOB WAS AN OLD MAN WHEN JOSEPH WAS BORN. 39:53 JACOB, YOU MIGHT SAY, WAS AN ANCIENT OF DAYS. 39:56 WAS ABRAHAM YOUNG OR OLD WHEN ISAAC WAS BORN? OLD. 40:01 HE WAS LIKE - HE WAS AN ANCIENT FATHER OF A YOUNG SON. 40:04 AND JESSE HAD THIS YOUNG BOY NAMED DAVID AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT 40:10 SAYS ABOUT JESSE? HE WAS AN OLD MAN WHEN DAVID WAS ALIVE - 40:14 WHEN DAVID WENT OUT AND FOUGHT THE GIANT. SO YOU SEE THIS 40:17 PICTURE ALL THROUGH THE BIBLE OF THE FATHER AND THE SON, BUT HERE 40:20 YOU ACTUALLY SEE THEM IN VISION TOGETHER. 40:23 YOU SEE THE THRONE OF GOD IN REVELATION AND YOU SEE A LAMB 40:26 THAT WAS SLAIN BEFORE THE THRONE. 40:28 AGAIN, YOU SEE A PICTURE OF THE FATHER AND THE SON. 40:32 AND SO JESUS IS IDENTIFIED AS THE SON OF MAN. 40:36 DANIEL, OF COURSE, SAW CHRIST IN THE FIERY FURNACE. 40:39 WHEN HE WROTE IT - DANIEL WASN'T ACTUALLY THERE THAT DAY BUT IT 40:41 TALKS ABOUT NEBUCHADNEZZAR SAYING, 'ONE LIKE THE SON OF 40:44 GOD' WAS IN THE FURNACE WITH SHADRACH, MESHACH, AND ABEDNEGO, 40:49 RIGHT? AND YOU CAN LOOK IN MATTHEW 40:53 13:55 - THE PEOPLE JUST SAW JESUS - THEY THOUGHT HE WAS JUST 40:58 ONE OF US. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT. 41:00 EVEN CHRIST'S OWN FAMILY - HIS OWN BROTHERS - BEFORE HIS 41:05 RESURRECTION - THEY THOUGHT, 'YOU KNOW, 41:07 JESUS IS AN UNUSUAL BOY. HE'S A VERY GOOD BOY. 41:10 WE COULD NEVER GET HIM TO GET INVOLVED IN THE MISCHIEF AND 41:12 TROUBLE THAT WE GOT INVOLVED IN.' 41:14 BUT THEY THOUGHT HE WAS HUMAN, DIDN'T THEY? 41:20 HIS BROTHERS TRIED TO STRAIGHTEN HIM OUT. 41:25 THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HIS ANOINTING. 41:28 WAS JOSEPH MISUNDERSTOOD BY HIS BROTHERS? 41:31 WAS DAVID MISUNDERSTOOD BY HIS BROTHERS - THE SPECIAL CALLING 41:36 THAT GOD HAD ON DAVID? AND JESUS WAS MISUNDERSTOOD. 41:39 LOOK IN MATTHEW 13:55, "IS NOT THIS THE CARPENTER'S SON?" 41:44 - WHEN JESUS WENT TO NAZARETH TO PREACH - "IS NOT HIS MOTHER 41:47 CALLED MARY?" AND HIS BROTHERS - HERE IT LISTS 41:50 AT LEAST FOUR OF THEM - JAMES, AND JOSES, SIMON, AND JUDAS. 41:54 WHEN YOU READ THE BOOK OF JAMES IN THE BIBLE, YOU'RE READING - 41:57 THAT'S THE BROTHER OF JESUS WHO WROTE THAT. 42:00 HE ENDED UP BECOMING, SORT OF, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FOR THE 42:02 CHURCH IN JERUSALEM. AND IT SAYS JESUS HAD SISTERS. 42:07 THESE ARE PROBABLY HIS HALF SISTERS THROUGH JOSEPH. 42:10 IT DOESN'T TELL US THEIR NAMES, BUT JESUS HAD BROTHERS AND 42:12 SISTERS. HE HAD AT LEAST TWO - HE MIGHT 42:14 HAVE HAD FIVE - WE DON'T KNOW. SO HE HAD A FAMILY AND HE GREW 42:18 UP AND THEY SAID, 'ISN'T THIS THE CARPENTER'S SON?' 42:21 THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY KNEW HIM. THEY SAW, 'YEAH, YOU LIVE 42:23 IN THE HOUSE WHERE JOSEPH, THE CARPENTER, LIVED. 42:26 AND WITH MARY AND WE KNOWN THEM ALL AND WHAT? 42:30 HE'S THE MESSIAH?' SO JESUS WAS SO HUMAN THAT - 42:35 COULD HE DISAPPEAR IN A CROWD? WHY DID THEY HAVE TO PAY JUDAS 42:39 TO IDENTIFY HIM IN THE GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE? 42:42 BECAUSE HE LOOKED LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, RIGHT? 42:45 YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS SEE THE PICTURES OF JESUS PAINTED AND 42:47 HE'S WEARING THIS STUNNING WHITE ROBE WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'LL 42:51 HAVE BLUE TASSELS ON IT AND HE JUST ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE A MOVIE 42:54 STAR AND HE'S NEVER DIRTY. HIS ROBE IS ALWAYS CLEAN AND I 43:01 JUST - I KIND OF PICTURE HIM THAT WAY TOO JUST BECAUSE OF ALL 43:03 THE PAINTINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. 43:05 BUT, IN REALITY, IT WAS PROBABLY PRETTY HARD TO TELL JESUS APART 43:10 FROM THE AVERAGE CARPENTERS AND FISHERMEN AND SHEPHERDS THAT 43:15 LIVED IN THE DAY BACK THEN. HE - THE BIBLE SAYS THERE WAS NO 43:19 OUTWARD BEAUTY THAT WE SHOULD DESIRE HIM. 43:23 HE LOOKED LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. SO WHO WAS JESUS? 43:30 ALRIGHT, IT SAYS HE'S THE SON OF GOD. 43:32 LUKE 1:35, "AND THE ANGEL ANSWERED AND SAID UNTO HER, 'THE 43:36 HOLY SPIRIT WILL COME UPON YOU, AND THE POWER OF THE HIGHEST 43:38 WILL OVERSHADOW YOU; THEREFORE, ALSO, THAT HOLY ONE WHO IS TO BE 43:43 BORN WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD.'" 43:46 SO JESUS, ONE OF HIS NAMES IS 'THE SON OF GOD.' NOW, IN A 43:52 SENSE, ARE WE NOT ALL SONS OF GOD? 43:57 'BEHOLD WHAT MANNER OF LOVE THE FATHER HAS BESTOWED ON US THAT 44:00 WE SHOULD BE CALLED 'SONS OF GOD.'' IN THE BEGINNING IT SAYS, 44:04 'WHEN THE SONS OF GOD CAME TO KNOW THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN.' THAT 44:07 MEANS, WHEN THE DESCENDENTS OF SETH THAT WERE THE CHILDREN OF 44:09 GOD, BEGAN TO INTERMARRY WITH THE DAUGHTERS OF CAIN - THEY 44:12 WERE CALLED THE SONS OF GOD - THEN THINGS REALLY KIND OF WENT 44:15 TO POT IN THE WORLD AND GOD SAYS 'THE THOUGHTS OF MEN'S HEARTS 44:19 WERE ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY.' ISAIAH TALKS ABOUT US BEING 44:22 THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD. 44:24 AND SO, WE ARE CHILDREN OF GOD IN THAT SENSE BUT WHEN 44:27 JESUS IS CALLED - THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US BEING SONS 44:32 AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD AND CHRIST BEING 'THE' SON OF GOD. 44:35 WHEN YOU SAY 'THE' WHAT DOES IT MEAN? 44:38 IF I SAY, 'CAN YOU PLEASE BRING ME THE PEN?' 44:40 IF I SAY, 'BRING ME A PEN OR A PENCIL' THAT MEANS IT COULD BE 44:44 ANYONE'S PEN OR PENCIL IN THE ROOM, RIGHT? 44:46 BUT WHEN I SAY, 'BRING ME 'THE PEN' YOU'RE THINKING THERE'S A 44:49 DEFINITE ARTICLE. THERE'S A SPECIFIC PEN SOMEWHERE. 44:52 SO WHEN JESUS IS CALLED 'THE SON OF GOD' THAT MEANS HE IS THE 44:55 ULTIMATE EXPRESSION OF GOD BECOMING A MAN. 44:58 THERE'S SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT HIM. JOHN 1:49, "NATHANAEL 45:02 ANSWERED AND SAID TO HIM, 'RABBI, YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD! 45:05 YOU ARE THE KING OF ISRAEL!'" MARK 15:39, SO WHEN THE 45:08 CENTURION SAW HIM - WHEN HE WAS ON THE CROSS - "THAT HE CRIED 45:13 OUT LIKE THIS AND BREATHED HIS LAST, HE SAID," - THIS IS A 45:15 ROMAN CENTURION - "'TRULY THIS MAN WAS THE SON OF GOD.'" SO 45:19 EVEN THE ROMANS, THE PAGANS, AND A LOT OF WORLD RELIGIONS KNEW 45:22 THAT GOD WAS GOING TO SOMEHOW MANIFEST HIMSELF AND BE COMING 45:25 TO EARTH. HE SAID THIS WAS HIM, THE SON OF GOD. 45:29 NOW, THIS - WE'RE DELVING NOW, AGAIN, INTO SOME DIFFICULT 45:33 SUBJECTS. JESUS - IS JESUS A HUNDRED 45:37 PERCENT GOD OR WAS HE ONLY NINETY PERCENT GOD? 45:41 WHEN CHRIST BECAME A MAN, WHILE HE STILL WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT 45:46 THE SON OF GOD, HE LAID ASIDE AN ELEMENT OF HIS ETERNAL KNOWLEDGE 45:52 AND POWER SO THAT HE COULD DWELL IN A HUMAN BODY. 45:56 WHEN CHRIST WAS IN A HUMAN BODY AND HE HAD A BRAIN LIKE YOU AND 45:59 I HAVE, DID HE KNOW ALL THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE 46:05 UNIVERSE AT ONE TIME? HE ONLY KNEW WHAT THE FATHER 46:08 REVEALED TO HIM. HE LAID ASIDE THAT ELEMENT - WHY 46:11 DO YOU THINK JESUS SAID, 'NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR OF MY 46:13 COMING, NOT EVEN THE SON, BUT THE FATHER ONLY'? HE KNOWS NOW, 46:16 GOD THE FATHER'S NOT HIDING THAT INFORMATION FROM JESUS 46:19 BECAUSE HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED, BUT WHEN HE WAS ON EARTH HE SAYS, 46:23 'I DON'T HAVE ALL KNOWLEDGE NOW.' 46:25 GOD THE FATHER HAS ULTIMATE POWER. 46:28 WHEN CHRIST WAS ON THE EARTH IT DOESN'T SAY HE EVER TOOK ON 46:31 ANYBODY LIKE SAMPSON DID OR DAVID FIGHTING LIONS AND BEARS. 46:35 JESUS HAD THE SAME KIND OF PHYSICAL STRENGTH AND POWER THAT 46:39 THE AVERAGE MAN WOULD HAVE, RIGHT? 46:41 AND SO HE ONLY HAD THE ADDITIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND THE 46:44 ADDITIONAL POWER AS THE FATHER GAVE IT TO HIM. 46:47 SO HE LAID ASIDE - HE MADE HIMSELF OF NO REPUTATION, 46:49 BUT HE WAS STILL EQUAL WITH THE FATHER. 46:53 JESUS SAID, JOHN 10:30, "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE." 46:59 PHILIPPIANS 2:6, "...BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, DID NOT 47:03 CONSIDER IT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD." 47:06 THAT MEANS IT WASN'T A MISSTATEMENT. 47:08 IT WASN'T OVERSTATED THAT HE WAS EQUAL TO GOD. 47:11 IT WASN'T ROBBING GOD OF ANYTHING OR TAKING A TITLE THAT 47:13 HE DID NOT DESERVE. 47:15 IT SAYS CHRIST DECLARED THAT HE WAS EQUAL WITH GOD. 47:19 JOHN 17:5, "AND NOW, O FATHER, GLORIFY ME TOGETHER WITH 47:23 YOURSELF, WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD 47:27 WAS." SO WE SEE, WHEN JESUS SAID 47:30 'BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM' - HE SAYS HE PRE-EXISTED. 47:36 WHEN CHRIST PRE-EXISTED SOMETIMES HE WAS REFERRED TO IN 47:39 THE OLD TESTAMENT AS 'THE ONE WHO IS AS GOD' - YOU KNOW HOW 47:42 YOU SAY THAT? 'MICHAEL.' THE ONE WHO IS AS GOD. 47:47 THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS - OR 'WHO IS LIKE GOD?' SOMETIMES IT 47:51 COULD BE A STATEMENT. IT COULD BE A QUESTION. 47:53 AND SO WHY DO YOU THINK WHEN THIS GENERAL APPEARS TO JOSHUA 47:59 BEFORE JOSHUA GOES TO BATTLE - A GENERAL APPEARS AND JOSHUA SEES 48:04 HIM AND HE SAYS, 'ARE YOU WITH US OR FOR OUR ENEMIES?' 48:07 HE SAID, 'NO, BUT I'M HERE AS THE COMMANDER OF THE LORD'S 48:09 ARMY.' AND WHEN JOSHUA REALIZED WHO HE WAS, HE KNELT DOWN TO 48:14 WORSHIP HIM. AND WHAT DID JESUS SAY? 'NO, DON'T WORSHIP ME. 48:17 THE BIBLE SAYS YOU SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD. 48:19 IT'S IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.' NO, HE SAID - NOT ONLY SHOULD 48:23 YOU WORSHIP ME - HE SAID, 'TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF, THIS IS HOLY 48:26 GROUND.' THE SAME THING THAT THE 'I AM' SAID TO MOSES, THIS 48:30 GENERAL - IT'S ONE OF THE PRE-INCARNATION MANIFESTATIONS 48:37 OF CHRIST. JESUS APPEARS TO JOSHUA. 48:39 THAT'S WHAT HE SAID, RIGHT? SO HE HUMBLED HIMSELF WHEN HE 48:44 CAME TO THIS EARTH. OKAY, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME 48:47 AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF - LOT OF LESSON LEFT. 48:49 I'LL PUT MY NOTES ON THE INTERNET FOR THINGS THAT MAYBE I 48:51 DON'T GET TO - FOR ANY TEACHERS THAT MAY WANT TO USE THIS. 48:55 SO DID CHRIST SUBMIT HIMSELF TO THE FATHER WHEN HE WAS HERE ON 49:00 EARTH? I BELIEVE THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. 49:07 1 CORINTHIANS 11:3, "BUT I WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW, THAT THE HEAD OF 49:11 EVERY MAN IS CHRIST; AND THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN;" - 49:14 THAT'S A VERY CONTENTIOUS VERSE THESE DAYS - "AND THE HEAD OF 49:17 CHRIST IS GOD." THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD. 49:20 SO WE ALL AGREE THAT, AT LEAST WHILE JESUS WAS ON EARTH, HE 49:23 RECOGNIZED THE FATHER IN SOME SUPERIOR WAY. 49:26 WHILE THEY ARE CO-EQUAL, THERE IS STILL A SUBMISSION ON THE 49:29 PART OF JESUS. IT'S HARD TO MISUNDERSTAND THAT VERSE, RIGHT? 49:34 'NOW YOU KNOW THAT THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST; THE HEAD OF 49:37 THE WOMAN IS MAN; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.' 'FOR GOD SO 49:41 LOVED THE WORLD, HE GAVE HIS SON.' WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO 49:45 GIVE? THE ONE WHO OWNS. 49:48 THE ONE WHO HAS SOME KIND OF SUPERIORITY. 49:49 THE FATHER IS GIVING THE SON, RIGHT? 49:53 'FOR GOD DID NOT SEND THE SON INTO THE WORLD TO CONDEMN.' WHO 49:56 SENDS THE SON? WHO HAS THE SUPREME AUTHORITY? 49:59 THE ONE SENT OR THE ONE SENDING? RIGHT? 50:04 MY SONS DON'T SAY, 'DAD, GO OUT AND GET THE MAIL.' I SAY, 'NO, 50:10 YOU GO OUT AND GET THE MAIL.' SO THERE'S AN AUTHORITY - THERE'S A 50:15 RESPECT HERE - IT'S EVEN IN JOHN 3:16, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? 50:18 EPHESIANS 3:9 - YOU JUST JOT THESE DOWN. 50:21 BY THE WAY, SOMEONE LOOK UP FOR ME JOHN 14:28 - DID SOMEONE GET 50:24 THAT VERSE? RIGHT HERE, MIKE - LET'S GET A 50:26 MICROPHONE OVER HERE. MICROPHONE, RIGHT HERE, OKAY. 50:29 WE'LL GET YOU READY. 50:30 LET'S LOOK AT JOHN 5:19 AND 20, "THEN JESUS ANSWERED AND SAID TO 50:37 THEM, 'MOST ASSUREDLY, I SAY TO YOU, THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF 50:40 HIMSELF, BUT WHAT HE SEES THE FATHER DO; FOR WHATEVER HE DOES, 50:43 THE SON ALSO DOES IN LIKE MANNER. 50:45 FOR THE FATHER LOVES THE SON, AND SHOWS HIM ALL THINGS THAT HE 50:48 HIMSELF DOES; AND HE WILL SHOW HIM GREATER WORKS THAN THESE, 50:52 THAT YOU MAY MARVEL." THE FATHER REVEALED THINGS TO 50:54 JESUS WHILE HE WAS ON EARTH. HE HAD LIMITED KNOWLEDGE. 50:57 YOU AND I CAN HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST'S WILL AS GOD REVEALS IT 51:00 TO US. NOW HERE'S THE BIG QUESTION - 51:02 YOU GO AHEAD MIKE. YOU READ YOUR VERSE. 51:05 >>JOHN 14, VERSE 28, "YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY TO YOU, 'I AM GOING 51:09 AWAY AND COMING BACK TO YOU.' IF YOU LOVED ME, YOU WOULD REJOICE 51:14 BECAUSE I SAID, 'I AM GOING TO THE FATHER,' 51:17 FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I." 51:19 >>SO WHO CAN DENY, AT LEAST ON EARTH, 51:21 THAT THERE WAS SOME SUBMISSION? 51:23 CHRIST SAYS, 'MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.' NOW HERE'S THE 51:26 QUESTION - I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GET LETTERS ON THIS BUT IT'S IN 51:29 THE BIBLE, I'VE GOT TO SHARE IT WITH YOU. 51:31 PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF OUR WORLD, WAS THERE ANY 51:35 SUBORDINATION OF CHRIST TO THE FATHER? WAS THERE ANY 51:40 AUTHORITY THAT THE FATHER SEEMED TO HAVE ABOVE CHRIST? 51:44 LET ME GIVE YOU SOME VERSES AND YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK HERE. 51:50 'GOD MADE ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST.' WHO RELEGATES TO JESUS 51:57 CREATIVE POWER? WOULDN'T YOU THINK THAT IF THE 51:59 FATHER SAID TO CHRIST, 'YOU CREATE' THAT MEANS THE FATHER 52:01 HAD THE RIGHT AND HE GAVE THIS RIGHT? 52:05 HEBREWS 1:2, GOD "HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS 52:10 SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, THROUGH WHOM ALSO 52:14 HE" - THE FATHER - "MADE THE WORLDS." 52:16 THE FATHER MADE THE WORLDS THROUGH CHRIST. 52:19 AND, AGAIN, FOR THE FATHER TO SEND THE SON. 52:24 LET ME GIVE YOU SOMETHING ELSE THAT - THIS IS FROM THE BOOK - 52:27 THIS IS A QUOTE FROM THE 'SPIRIT OF PROPHECY' AND, YOU KNOW, I 52:31 DIDN'T WRITE DOWN WHAT THAT MEANS. 52:34 SR PAGE 13 - I FORGET WHAT THE SR STANDS FOR. 52:37 SOMEONE WILL LOOK THAT UP IN THE E.G. WHITE WRITINGS. 52:41 SELECTED READINGS - IT MIGHT BE. 52:44 "THE GREAT CREATOR ASSEMBLED" - IT'S TALKING ABOUT WHEN CHRIST 52:47 WAS SENT TO THE WORLD - "THE GREAT CREATOR ASSEMBLED THE 52:50 HEAVENLY HOST THAT HE MIGHT, IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL THE ANGELS, 52:55 CONFER SPECIAL HONOR UPON THE SON." 52:58 WHO'S THE GREAT CREATOR HERE? THE FATHER. 53:01 HE'S GOING TO CONFER SPECIAL HONOR UPON THE SON, OKAY. 53:05 DO YOU SEE SOME SUPERIOR AUTHORITY HERE BEING 53:09 REPRESENTED? OKAY. 53:11 "THE SON WAS SEATED ON THE THRONE WITH THE FATHER AND THE 53:14 HEAVENLY THRONG OF HOLY ANGELS WERE GATHERED AROUND THEM. 53:17 THE FATHER THEN MADE KNOWN THAT IT WAS ORDAINED BY HIMSELF THAT 53:21 CHRIST HIS SON SHOULD BE EQUAL WITH HIMSELF." 53:25 WELL, WHO IS DECLARING THAT? THE FATHER IS. "SO WHEREVER THE 53:30 PRESENCE OF HIS SON WAS, IT WAS ALSO HIS OWN PRESENCE. 53:34 THE WORD OF THE SON WAS TO BE OBEYED AS READILY AS 53:37 THE WORD OF THE FATHER. 53:38 HIS SON HAD INVESTED" - HIS SON - HE - NOTICE, THIS IS VERY 53:43 IMPORTANT - "HIS SON" - THE FATHER'S SON - "HE" - THE FATHER 53:47 - "INVESTED WITH AUTHORITY TO COMMAND THE HEAVENLY HOST." 53:52 SO WHEN ONE INVESTS AUTHORITY TO ANOTHER, DOESN'T THAT PERSON 53:55 HAVE SOME SUPERIOR AUTHORITY IN ORDER TO INVEST THEM WITH 53:57 AUTHORITY? IF I'M SHERIFF AND I DEPUTIZE 54:00 YOU, I'VE GOT TO BE SHERIFF FIRST, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? 54:05 YOU CAN'T COME TO ME AND SAY, 'I'M A DEPUTY. 54:07 I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU SHERIFF.' IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. 54:11 YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? 54:13 THAT'S A CRUDE ILLUSTRATION BUT IT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT POPPED 54:15 INTO MY HEAD - "THE WORD OF THE SON WAS TO BE OBEYED AS READILY 54:19 AS THE WORD OF THE FATHER." HIS SON HE HAD INVESTED WITH 54:22 AUTHORITY TO COMMAND THE HEAVENLY HOST." 54:24 NOTICE THIS: "ESPECIALLY WAS HIS SON TO WORK IN UNION WITH 54:28 HIMSELF IN THE ANTICIPATED CREATION OF THE EARTH AND EVERY 54:33 LIVING THING THAT SHOULD EXIST IN THE EARTH." 54:35 ALRIGHT, IS THIS DIFFERENCE IN AUTHORITY - DOES IT EXIST BEFORE 54:41 OUR WORLD WAS MADE? EVEN - YES - IT SAYS HE'S 54:46 INVESTING HIM WITH AUTHORITY, THEY'RE GOING TO COOPERATE IN 54:48 THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. PRIOR TO - YOU GETTING THIS? 54:52 I'M NOT TRYING TO BUILD ANYTHING THAT ISN'T THERE - PRIOR TO THE 54:55 CREATION OF OUR WORLD - FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING - IN 54:59 THE GODHEAD THERE IS A LOVE AND A RESPECT WHERE THERE IS - THERE 55:05 SEEMS TO BE A SEQUENCE OF AUTHORITY. 55:07 THEY ARE CO-EQUAL, THEY HAVE - ALL THREE ARE ALL-POWERFUL, THEY 55:14 ARE GOD, THEY'RE ALL KNOWING, BUT THEY RESPECT A PRIMACY EVEN 55:21 IN THE GODHEAD. NOW DO YOU SEE THAT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? 55:26 IT SEEMS TO BE THERE IN THE BIBLE FOR ME, IF YOU BELIEVE THE 55:29 WORD OF GOD AND THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY. ALRIGHT, I'LL GET A 55:32 COUPLE MORE THOUGHTS IN HERE BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF TIME. 55:34 CHRIST'S DIVING NATURE PART 1 - WELL, WE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT 55:39 THIS - LUKE 5, VERSE 20, IT SAYS, "WHEN HE SAW THEIR FAITH, 55:46 HE SAID TO HIM, 'MAN, YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN YOU.'" AND THEY GOT 55:49 ALL UPSET THAT HE WAS CLAIMING THE POWER TO FORGIVE SIN. 55:52 NO ONE CAN FORGIVE SIN BUT GOD ONLY. JOHN 8:58, "JESUS SAID 55:58 UNTO THEM, 'VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, BEFORE ABRAHAM 56:01 WAS, I AM.'" WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY. 56:04 OH, HERE'S THE ONE I WANTED TO CLOSE WITH: JOHN 20, VERSE 28 - 56:08 AFTER JESUS REVEALED HIMSELF IN THE UPPER ROOM, THOMAS BOWS 56:11 BEFORE THEM AND HE SAYS, 'MY LORD AND MY GOD.' SO CHRIST HAD 56:17 THIS DIVINE NATURE AND JESUS DIDN'T SAY, 'DON'T WORSHIP ME.' 56:20 THEY WORSHIPED HIM. 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