I'm John Carter in Moscow.
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In Havana, Cuba.
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Now in Kiev, the
capital of Ukraine.
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I'm John Carter in Petra.
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Right here in Communist China.
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Reporting from India.
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Hi, I'm John Carter
in the Solomon Islands.
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I'm John Carter in Soweto.
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From El Salvador.
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I'm John Carter
in Sydney, Australia.
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My Heroes and
What They Taught Me,
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a personal
message from John Carter.
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Hi, friend. I'm John Carter.
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Welcome to the Carter Report.
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This is part two of
this tremendous program
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on Heroes and
What They Taught Me.
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I was telling you
folks a few months ago
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about the Soviet Union
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and the terrible things
that happened to believers
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in the days of the Soviet Union.
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I've been to Russia 49 times.
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In the Soviet
Union, this is true,
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tens of millions of
believers and dissidents
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died in the Soviet Union.
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You can read about this
in the Gulag Archipelago
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by that other great hero,
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Alexander Solzhenitsyn,
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a great Christian, great
hero, like Paul the prisoner.
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In the first segment,
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I told you about
Paul the prisoner
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who did some
translation work for me.
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He was thrown into
one of these hellholes.
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His teeth fell out,
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they put him in
this refrigerator cell,
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they'd freeze him,
then they'd warm him up,
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beat him.
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You know why?
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They did it for
one reason, my friend,
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because this
man would not inform
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like others did on
the church members.
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He was a man of courage
and a man of great integrity.
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I'm just
overwhelmed when I think
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of some of these
great friends of mine.
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Then there was the
pastor from Chernobyl.
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God bless his soul.
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Chernobyl, it
was an awful meltdown
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caused by great criminality
and great ineptitude,
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but it also
showed great courage.
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We saw children
who were the product
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of the meltdown at Chernobyl.
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Beverly visited the
orphanages where she saw
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not just healthy little children
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but she saw lots of
poor little deformed babies,
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the product of the meltdown
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that occurred on April 26, 1986.
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There were many heroes that day.
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The firemen. Thank
God for the firemen.
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They went in there and
they fought the flames,
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no protective clothing.
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They had to clean
up huge concrete blocks
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of radioactive material,
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the pilots who
flew the helicopters
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that dropped the
concrete on the reactor.
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And all of this, of course,
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was covered up
by the communists.
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And sometime later,
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we started up
the meetings in Kiev.
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There we saw the glory of God.
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I have never seen
anything quite like it.
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We had this
tremendous auditorium.
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We had tens of thousands
coming to the meetings.
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At one stage we had a
crowd of 100,000 people
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standing outside
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because they were
so, so hungry for God.
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And one night there
came a busload of people
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from the area of
Chernobyl from this hellhole.
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I met there a
gaunt young pastor.
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He was so skinny.
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He looked so unwell.
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And he was bringing
his people every night
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because the people,
unlike us, were hungry for God.
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I said to him, "Why
are you staying there?
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This is going to
kill you, young man.
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Don't you know this
is going to kill you?"
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He said, listen to these words.
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He said, "I
cannot leave my people."
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He said, "I
cannot leave my people.
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I'm their pastor."
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I don't know his name,
but he's an unsung hero.
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God knows his name.
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If the Bible were written today,
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he would be in
Hebrews Chapter 11.
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Hebrews 11 talks about so
great a cloud of witnesses.
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You know, I've seen and I've met
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some of the greatest people
on the face of this earth.
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And they've touched my life.
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Then there was
the police captain
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in the city of Kiev.
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The meetings were so successful
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that the Minister of religion
for the government order
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that the
meetings be closed down.
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I was brought to town hall
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and threatened and interrogated.
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They said to me,
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"You're ordered to
close down the meetings."
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I said one word that
I knew very well yet.
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Nyet, no. We're
not going to do it.
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I said, "You got to do it."
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I said, "No, "
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that was one word
they hadn't heard before.
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They hadn't had a
pastor say to them
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in their faces, "No, no, no.
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What don't you
understand about that?"
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But we could not hold meetings
without a police presence.
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That was the law.
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So the minister of
religion ordered the police
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to stop protecting
us and to withdraw.
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So they did.
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Therefore,
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we were going to be
forced out of the city,
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out of Ukraine.
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Then Pastor Murga,
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watch the first
part of this program,
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Pastor Murga and his
team took to the streets,
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they found a police
captain from outside the city.
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He said, "I've heard
about these meetings,
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I will bring my officers
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and we will
patrol the meetings."
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I don't know his
name, but he was a hero.
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He put his life
on the line for us.
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Under God, he
helped to save the meetings
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that resulted in
thousands of souls
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being baptized.
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I wish I could
tell you his name,
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but I can't
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because he's one
of God's great heroes,
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along with Pastor
Murga and Mrs. Murga.
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We received
messages from overseas,
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telling us to get home and
to close down the meetings.
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We said to
them, "Nyet, nyet, no.
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What don't you
understand about no?
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We will not forsake Christ."
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Now these people over
there in Russia and Ukraine,
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they stood up
against the authorities
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were the real heroes.
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Their names are
recorded in history,
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along with the director
of the Kyiv, Palace of Sport.
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He was given an
ultimatum by the government,
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"Close down Carter's meetings."
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He said, "No."
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He said, "I'd
like listening to him.
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He's blessing my soul.
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The meetings will continue
at the risk of life and limb."
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He said no, he had courage.
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I wish I knew his name.
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I don't.
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But I want to tell you
something, God knows it.
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He's one of God's unsung heroes.
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God has got a big
family, my friend.
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Another one of my
heroes, Dr. Julia Outkina.
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Sister of Dr. Barth Nemstov,
who was murdered not long ago,
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I met her, my friend,
in the Governor's Palace.
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The governor had
invited me to the Kremlin.
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And I was
talking to the governor
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and explaining to him
the truths of the Bible.
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And Danny Shelton was there
standing with me to support me.
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Thank God, I
had some supporters.
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And then I had this
big bunch of letters,
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showing them to the governor.
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And we took the
letter off the top
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and we started to read it.
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And the governor said,
he went white, he said,
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"That's my
sister, that's Julia."
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And just then
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there was a knocking
on the door in the palace.
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And in came Julia.
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God is great.
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And Julia told how
she had found Christ
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at the meetings
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and how she had become baptized.
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Now she is the
director of 3ABN in Russia.
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Under God, Danny Shelton,
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built the largest
Protestant evangelistic meeting,
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the largest Protestant
building in all of Russia.
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It was built not by
the church organization
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but by a bunch of laypeople
who had caught the vision.
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Three Angels'
Broadcasting Network
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Cultural Center,
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and Julia is the director.
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And there she's putting
out great television programs.
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They're being broadcast,
we can't do it anymore.
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But it's being
broadcast across Russia.
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It is having a
powerful impact for Christ.
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Barth Nemstov's
sister, a defender of freedom,
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a lady with courage.
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Recently she's been in hospital.
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But her faith and courage
remained steadfast and true.
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She's one of God's heroes.
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She is one of
God's unsung heroes.
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We are proud of her.
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Look at Hebrews 11:29, 30, 32.
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Look at this text.
Gonna read it to you.
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"By faith they
passed through the Red Sea
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as by dry land,
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whereas the
Egyptians, attempting to do so,
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were drowned.
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By faith the walls
of Jericho fell down
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after they were
encircled for seven days.
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What more shall I say?
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The time would fail me
to tell of Gideon and Barak
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and Samson and Jephthah,
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also of David and
Samuel and the prophets."
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Listen to me.
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With God, you can
do the impossible.
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Where's your faith?
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People say, "That
can't happen anymore."
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My friend, where's your faith?
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Without faith, it is
impossible to please God.
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And this lady,
this Russian lady Julia,
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she's got faith,
steadfast, courageous and true,
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like the old
pastor in St. Petersburg.
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This is one of
the great stories.
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We ran a great
city-wide campaign
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in St. Petersburg,
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in this great auditorium,
biggest hall in town.
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That's why we hired it.
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It had been called Leningrad.
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Dr. Julia has a PhD
from Leningrad University.
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I visited Leningrad
around December, 1994,
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the urgent request
of the Christians there.
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One evening, I sat
with a group of pastors,
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and I was eating food with them,
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breaking bread
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with the Russian
brothers and sisters,
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they gave me pancakes also,
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the best
pancakes you ever tasted,
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anywhere in the
world with real cream,
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but we won't talk about that now
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because those pancakes
are not real good for you,
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but they taste great.
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I was sitting
beside an old pastor.
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He told me the story,
it went back to about 1938
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when communism had
the nation by the throat,
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and Christians especially.
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He told how his
father was taken away
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by the KGB.
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Never saw him again,
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even though every
day they would take gifts
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and they take food
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so they could keep
these people alive.
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But that night,
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the communists
seized 30,000 dissidents,
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pastors, intellectuals,
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doctors,
philosophers, scientists,
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and they dug a great big pit
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and they threw into
that pit still alive,
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30,000 dissidents,
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Have you ever been a
dissident, my friend?
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Have you ever
thought of yourself?
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Have you ever stood up
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against the
tyranny of the crowd?
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Have you ever stood up
against unjust authority?
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In America, we
believe in freedom of speech
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and freedom of religion,
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and freedom to
think differently.
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We are not caller
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to simply go
along with the crowd.
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Did you know this
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that conformity
produces mediocrity?
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And so these people
were thrown into the pit,
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and then they
were shot to death.
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And then the son
took the father's place.
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It was a son to
whom I was speaking,
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he told me of this story.
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He said, "Please come
and preach the Word of God."
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He is one of
God's unsung heroes,
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so is his wife.
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The Bible says
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the World was
not worthy of them,
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says that in Hebrews 11.
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No one knows about them.
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You're not going to
read about these people on
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in the
newspapers or anything else.
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You're not going to
see them on television.
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But their names are
written down and glory.
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They're forgotten and recognized
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and acknowledged.
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But let me tell you something.
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When Jesus comes,
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they're going to
shine like the stars
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for forever and ever.
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They are the people who count
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because of their
integrity, honesty, courage.
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That's what I
learned from these people.
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What about you?
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Are you just going
along with the crowd
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or are you
standing up for the truth?
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Then it was the
pastor in Siberia.
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And this is a great story.
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We hide a whole carriage
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or whole car on the
Trans-Siberian Express.
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They painted it in the
colors of Russia for us.
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And we had this whole
carriage or car to ourselves.
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And we took a team
right across Russia,
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in the middle of winter,
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from Moscow to
Vladivostok in places -40.
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And every time we
came to a town or city
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or a hamlet,
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when the train stopped,
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we got out and set
up a big PA system.
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And we had thousands of Bibles,
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tens of
thousands of audio tapes,
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medicines,
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and the people had
been told beforehand,
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"The Carter team is coming."
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And so they
were there to meet us
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and I'd be preaching
at 2:00 in the morning,
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4"00 in the morning,
6:00 in the morning, - 40.
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And meeting some
of the best people
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on the face of the
earth, Heroes for God.
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You see, hardship makes
heroes, hardship makes heroes.
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A soft lifestyle
makes soft people.
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But then we got to one big town.
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There's no one
there, not a soul.
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So we looked
around, no one there.
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Hey, they couldn't
have got the message.
00:14:39.41\00:14:41.04
Then we saw a lonely
figure standing by himself.
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My team, one of the
Russians, ran up to him said...
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talked in Russian.
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Yeah, I'm the
pastor. Where's the church?
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He said we got the
time mixed up apparently.
00:14:54.26\00:14:56.62
I've been
standing here for 24 hours
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and the church
members, when nighttime came,
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they went home.
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I don't know his
name, but he was a hero.
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He stood there
on the railway track
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for 24 hours,
00:15:09.17\00:15:10.51
we gave him
Bibles, we hugged him,
00:15:10.54\00:15:12.57
we gave him medicines,
we gave him the tapes.
00:15:12.61\00:15:16.34
We hugged him
00:15:16.38\00:15:17.71
and blessed him
in the name of God,
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we prayed with him.
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I don't know his name.
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But what a pastor,
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what a soldier, what a hero.
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His name is
written down in glory,
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the Bible says,
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of whom the
world was not worthy.
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Hear what I'm telling you folks,
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the Bible says,
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of whom the
world was not worthy,
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the world was not
worthy of these people.
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The world was not
worthy of a Paul the prisoner.
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The world was not
worthy of Pastor Mrs. Murga.
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And Pastor Kulikov.
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These people who were
beaten up and threatened
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and persecuted for their faith.
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And then other people,
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you know, I've
met so many of them.
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These people of
courage and integrity,
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who were thrown into prison,
you think, Paul the prisoner,
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put in this refrigerator cell,
frozen up and then warmed up,
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frozen up, warmed up.
00:16:20.24\00:16:21.58
You know why?
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Because he wouldn't inform
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on his brothers and his sisters.
00:16:24.35\00:16:26.35
That's why,
because he had courage.
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Of whom the
world was not worthy.
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What am I learned
from these heroes?
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I've learned, my friend,
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I've learned this
that the darker the night,
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the brighter the stars,
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and that God is sufficient
00:16:47.67\00:16:49.24
for all of our
trials and tribulations.
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And Paul the prisoner
now is working for prisoners,
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lots of prisoners
still in the Russian system.
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He's there
working for the prisoners,
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you've got all sorts of diseases
00:17:01.98\00:17:03.82
in those places.
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He goes, there he
goes, because he's a man.
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I'm going to tell you now
about the old Chinese pastor.
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This is quite an amazing story.
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Little while back,
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I had the privilege of
speaking to the pastors
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from the inland of China,
00:17:23.67\00:17:25.37
I was invited
to go to Hong Kong.
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These were the people
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that I had the
privilege of meeting.
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Some of the Carter
Report team came with me.
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Well, you know, folks,
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we're sort of
living in a bubble here.
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When you tell people
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in this part of the
world and in Australia,
00:17:44.19\00:17:46.03
about these heroes,
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they look at you dumbfounded
00:17:47.43\00:17:49.76
that you know that
like, just not taking in,
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I can understand it.
00:17:52.60\00:17:55.44
You see, these
people know what, it is
00:17:55.47\00:17:58.71
to suffer for Christ.
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I met these young women there
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who are looking
after big churches,
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tens of thousands of people.
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An old pastor
that told me the story,
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I'm going to
share it a bit with you.
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The old pastor told
me about the communist...
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When I say the old pastor,
he's about my age, I guess.
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The old pastor told me
about the communist revolution
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under Mao Tse-tung.
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You know, what's one big problem
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we have in America
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and other places
like Australia today?
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People don't know
anything about history.
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They're
completely dumb on history.
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When you talk about Mao Tse-tung
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and the great leap
forward and the great revolution
00:18:47.22\00:18:50.66
that happened in China,
00:18:50.69\00:18:52.03
they'd look at you
as though you're crazy
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because they
just don't know any.
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Don't they teach these
things in the schools anymore?
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When you talk about,
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when I tell people
about Stalin and Lenin,
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and the terrible things
00:19:05.21\00:19:06.54
that the atheists
and the communists did.
00:19:06.57\00:19:10.41
People today, how can
they support communism?
00:19:10.45\00:19:13.35
How can they support atheism?
00:19:13.38\00:19:16.15
When we know what atheism did?
00:19:16.18\00:19:17.62
It killed tens of
millions. No, no, no.
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When I was in Russia
00:19:22.36\00:19:23.86
after the collapse
of the Soviet Union,
00:19:23.89\00:19:27.13
some scholars, they told
me the communists in Russia
00:19:27.16\00:19:29.86
had killed at
least 70 million people.
00:19:29.90\00:19:33.97
You see, the death of God
00:19:34.00\00:19:35.70
always leads to
the death of man.
00:19:35.74\00:19:37.67
In America today, God
is dying in some places,
00:19:37.71\00:19:40.71
and you can see
what's happening.
00:19:40.74\00:19:42.98
You can see what's happening.
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The crime, the terrible
things that are happening.
00:19:45.95\00:19:51.75
And in China,
well, those people,
00:19:51.79\00:19:55.12
they're like Mao Tse-tung.
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They followed Stalin.
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Yeah.
00:20:00.10\00:20:02.00
Mao, as he's called,
00:20:02.03\00:20:03.57
and the communists hordes
murdered 45 million people
00:20:03.60\00:20:10.11
within a few years.
00:20:10.14\00:20:11.94
Hey, 45 million,
00:20:11.97\00:20:13.68
that's more than everybody
in California being killed,
00:20:13.71\00:20:16.48
it's like,
00:20:16.51\00:20:17.85
two Australias being
killed in a few years.
00:20:17.88\00:20:23.62
Thousands, tens of
thousands every day,
00:20:23.65\00:20:26.29
just murdering them.
00:20:26.32\00:20:28.12
That's what atheism does.
00:20:28.16\00:20:29.66
When you get away from God,
it's hell and hell and hell.
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In those days,
00:20:35.76\00:20:37.37
when people were
starving to death,
00:20:37.40\00:20:40.14
because of the policies of
this rotten evil government,
00:20:40.17\00:20:45.67
if a child, a little
child stole a potato,
00:20:45.71\00:20:50.98
the penalty was
00:20:51.01\00:20:52.35
that the parents
had to tie him up
00:20:52.38\00:20:53.85
and throw him into a
pond and watch him drown.
00:20:53.88\00:20:57.05
The little kid
starving to death.
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Other parents were forced
to bury their children alive.
00:21:00.29\00:21:04.29
Listen, let's be
plain about this.
00:21:04.33\00:21:06.90
Let's not be foolish about this.
00:21:06.93\00:21:08.63
Let's get the facts about this.
00:21:08.66\00:21:10.83
The death of God
00:21:10.87\00:21:12.20
always leads to
the death of man.
00:21:12.23\00:21:14.64
Somebody said, God
died in the 19th century.
00:21:14.67\00:21:19.31
And man died in the 20th century
00:21:19.34\00:21:21.28
with the deaths of millions,
00:21:21.31\00:21:23.55
thanks to Darwinism and
the teachings of Nietzsche.
00:21:23.58\00:21:28.05
But that's another subject.
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You need to read
up on these things.
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Listen.
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So this pastor I'm talking about
00:21:33.62\00:21:36.49
was arrested for preaching.
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Wasn't getting paid,
but he still kept preaching.
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A preacher will
keep on preaching
00:21:41.80\00:21:43.47
whether he's paid or not.
00:21:43.50\00:21:46.37
That's how you can
tell the difference.
00:21:46.40\00:21:49.97
He was thrown in
prison for 10 years.
00:21:50.01\00:21:51.64
He told me the story,
the starvation, the beatings.
00:21:51.67\00:21:55.88
Where would he sleep?
00:21:55.91\00:21:57.25
On concrete,
sometimes out in the rain.
00:21:57.28\00:22:00.28
The floggings,
the beatings, why?
00:22:00.32\00:22:02.48
Because he followed Christ.
00:22:02.52\00:22:04.82
In his mind, he had
the texts of the Bible,
00:22:04.85\00:22:07.02
what about you?
00:22:07.06\00:22:08.59
And so when they were
trying to interrogate him
00:22:08.62\00:22:10.43
and brainwash him,
00:22:10.46\00:22:11.79
he was recalling
the texts of the Bible.
00:22:11.83\00:22:15.36
With God, we can do all things.
00:22:15.40\00:22:18.97
Then he was
released after 10 years
00:22:19.00\00:22:20.90
into an indoctrination
prison for another 10 years.
00:22:20.94\00:22:24.41
He said it was worse
because the beatings got worse.
00:22:24.44\00:22:28.94
More readings
00:22:28.98\00:22:30.31
from The Little Red
Book of Mao Tse-tung.
00:22:30.35\00:22:34.48
But he kept
praying and recalling
00:22:34.52\00:22:35.92
the texts of the Bible.
00:22:35.95\00:22:37.29
After 20 years he was released.
00:22:37.32\00:22:39.15
He's a hero.
00:22:39.19\00:22:40.52
Look at Hebrews 11:32-34.
00:22:40.56\00:22:43.73
Hebrews 11:32-34.
00:22:43.76\00:22:46.19
"What more shall I say?
00:22:46.23\00:22:47.56
For the time would fail me
to tell of Gideon and Barak
00:22:47.60\00:22:51.33
and Samson and Jephthah,
00:22:51.37\00:22:52.97
also of David and
Samuel and the prophets,
00:22:53.00\00:22:56.24
who through
faith subdued kingdoms,
00:22:56.27\00:22:59.04
worked righteousness,
obtained promises,
00:22:59.07\00:23:01.38
stopped the mouths of lions,
quenched the violence of fire,
00:23:01.41\00:23:05.71
escaped the edge of the sword,
00:23:05.75\00:23:08.18
out of weakness
were made strong,
00:23:08.22\00:23:10.09
became valiant in battle,
00:23:10.12\00:23:12.09
turned to flight the
armies of the aliens."
00:23:12.12\00:23:15.36
With God's help, you
can do the impossible,
00:23:15.39\00:23:19.76
and you can be a hero for God.
00:23:19.79\00:23:22.23
Will you believe it?
00:23:22.26\00:23:23.60
I ask you.
00:23:23.63\00:23:25.97
And so that's the
story of that pastor,
00:23:26.00\00:23:28.67
the Chinese pastor.
00:23:28.70\00:23:30.71
Goodness me.
00:23:30.74\00:23:32.21
God and His heroes today.
00:23:32.24\00:23:33.58
We may not know them,
they may be unrecognized,
00:23:33.61\00:23:37.35
but their reward will be great.
00:23:37.38\00:23:41.02
I was tremendously
moved when I met these people,
00:23:41.05\00:23:43.95
the pastors,
the men, the ladies,
00:23:43.99\00:23:47.26
caring for tens of
thousands of souls,
00:23:47.29\00:23:51.13
all God's heroes,
00:23:51.16\00:23:52.83
of whom the world
is not worthy today.
00:23:52.86\00:23:57.90
May be
unrecognized and unrewarded,
00:23:57.93\00:24:00.24
but I want you to
know something about it.
00:24:00.27\00:24:02.24
God knows about it.
00:24:02.27\00:24:03.61
That's what counts, you know?
00:24:03.64\00:24:04.97
You might say, "You know,
00:24:05.01\00:24:06.34
I'm not
recognized by the church."
00:24:06.37\00:24:07.71
Well, who cares?
00:24:07.74\00:24:09.34
As long as God recognizes you.
00:24:09.38\00:24:11.68
I'm not
recognized by the government,
00:24:11.71\00:24:13.52
who cares?
00:24:13.55\00:24:14.95
As long as
Christ knows about you.
00:24:14.98\00:24:18.02
And nothing is lost,
and nothing is forgotten.
00:24:18.05\00:24:24.29
So what are some lessons
I can learn from my heroes?
00:24:24.33\00:24:28.70
Well, there's
grace for every trial.
00:24:28.73\00:24:32.93
Grace, Grace, great grace.
00:24:32.97\00:24:37.31
Amazing Grace.
00:24:37.34\00:24:39.44
Out of great tribulation
comes great strength.
00:24:39.47\00:24:43.51
When the fire is hot,
00:24:43.55\00:24:47.22
the steel is refined.
00:24:47.25\00:24:51.39
One of the reasons we've
got so much weakness today
00:24:51.42\00:24:53.96
among men and
women and all of us
00:24:53.99\00:24:55.92
is because we don't
know what tribulation is.
00:24:55.96\00:24:57.99
We become weak people.
00:24:58.03\00:25:00.60
God has His secret
heroes, both men and women,
00:25:00.63\00:25:06.53
and the darker the
night, the brighter they shine.
00:25:06.57\00:25:12.61
God's greatest heroes I guess
00:25:12.64\00:25:14.91
or some of them
are still to come.
00:25:14.94\00:25:18.01
A time of test does not make us
weak or strong, remember that.
00:25:18.05\00:25:22.32
It doesn't make us brave
or cowardly, good or bad.
00:25:22.35\00:25:26.42
It just reveals what we are,
00:25:26.45\00:25:29.86
and I want you to
know, a great, listen to me,
00:25:29.89\00:25:34.23
a great time of
test is coming to America
00:25:34.26\00:25:36.77
and to the world.
00:25:36.80\00:25:38.33
We are living in the
age of the Apocalypse.
00:25:38.37\00:25:42.40
You better
believe it, my friend.
00:25:42.44\00:25:46.41
But God will have his heroes.
00:25:46.44\00:25:49.34
What do we need?
00:25:49.38\00:25:50.71
Well, we need
00:25:50.75\00:25:52.21
a genuine
experience with Christ.
00:25:52.25\00:25:55.08
We need to read
our Bibles every day.
00:25:55.12\00:25:56.95
You say, "I find it hard."
00:25:56.99\00:25:58.32
Well, just try a bit harder.
00:25:58.35\00:26:02.82
Read the Word, it is written,
00:26:02.86\00:26:04.43
"Man shall not
live by bread alone,"
00:26:04.46\00:26:06.36
read the Word.
00:26:06.39\00:26:09.46
We need to
escape manmade religion
00:26:09.50\00:26:11.63
with all its
palaver, all this talk.
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And I want you to know this.
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Listen to this, with
Christ, we become invincible.
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He is all we need, my friend.
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I need nothing else.
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As Martin Luther said,
"All men need is Jesus Christ."
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And when I'm by myself
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and I'm forsaken by
friends and everybody else,
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and this happens to
all of us on occasions,
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I want you to know this,
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all man needs is Jesus Christ
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and His Word.
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It is written,
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"Man shall not
live by bread alone."
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And by God's grace,
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you my brother
and you my sister,
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you can be a hero for God.
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And the most
important thing is this.
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God will know, Amen.
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God created His
people in different cultures,
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countries, and in
cities around the world.
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He made the human race,
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he made us one people under God.
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At first, when you see someone
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that looks and acts
differently than you,
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you may turn away.
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But take your time.
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Look closer.
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You will see that we
share the same dreams,
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the same troubles,
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the same world.
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Open your minds and
hearts to one another.
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Love each other as He loves us.
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Do this for God,
honor His creation,
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and let His love shine
through each one of us.
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