I'm John Carter in Moscow.
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In Havana, Cuba.
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Now in Kiev, the
capital of Ukraine.
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I'm John Carter in Petra.
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Right here in Communist China.
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Reporting from India.
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Hi, I'm John Carter
in the Solomon Islands.
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I'm John Carter in Soweto.
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From El Salvador.
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I'm John Carter
in Sydney, Australia.
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My heroes and
what they taught me,
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a personal
message from John Carter.
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Hello, friend.
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I'm John Carter
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in the great
city of Los Angeles.
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Welcome today to the program.
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Andrei Sakharov was
one of my great heroes.
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I'm going to tell
you the story of the man
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who created the
greatest hydrogen bomb blast
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in the history
of the human race.
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In spite of that, he
became one of my great heroes.
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Today, we're going
to talk about heroes,
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some of my heroes.
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I've met some remarkable people.
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And I'm going to
tell you their stories,
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what they taught me
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and maybe what they
can teach us together.
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We went to the city of
Gorky in the year 1992.
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That was the city
of Andrei Sakharov.
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Why we went there
and how we went there
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is quite an interesting story.
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I can't tell you the details,
but I can tell you some things.
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We had just run the first
ever full evangelistic campaign
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in the history
of the Soviet Union.
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That was in 1991.
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And it took place
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just down the
road from the Kremlin,
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in a place that was
called the Palace of Culture.
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And there we saw, I believe,
the mighty power of God,
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there we saw the glory of God.
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By the grace of God, we
had a tremendous breakthrough.
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I even spoke one
evening on Good Evening Moscow.
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I mean, this was
sort of astounding.
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This is Andrei, the
director, the producer,
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went on the set of
"Good Evening Moscow."
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This is when the
Communists were still in power.
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One of the most amazing stories,
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I still get
goosebumps thinking about it,
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because this was
the time of atheism.
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Andrei said to me,
"Tell us about God?
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We don't know
anything about God.
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And there on the set
of Good Evening Moscow
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that was broadcast from Moscow
right across to Vladivostok.
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Millions of
people were watching.
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He asked me,
"Tell us about God?"
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I talked to him about God.
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And then on the set
of Good Evening Moscow,
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it's my privilege to
talk to them about prayer.
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I said, "Does anybody
here know about prayer?"
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"We don't know
anything about prayer."
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"Does anybody, do you know any?"
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"No, we don't know
anything about God."
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I was talking to atheists,
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at the heart of the evil
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and at the heart
of the evil empire,
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right in Moscow.
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And this is when
the Soviet system
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was still in charge.
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So we had a
tremendous breakthrough,
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we had tremendous crowds.
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We saw the power of God.
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We saw professors
coming from Moscow University.
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We saw people who
were strong atheists,
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finding God for the
first time in their lives.
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Then Pastor Kulakov,
the president of our church,
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asked us to come
back the next year 1992,
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and run a campaign in
the Great Hall of Congress's
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right in the very
heart of the Kremlin,
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the heart of the evil empire.
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We were successful
in booking this place.
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Amazing, a miracle.
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We raised the
money, we got to deposit,
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Danny Shelton helped
me to raise the deposit.
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And so we booked this place.
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And I want to tell
you, folk, something.
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I want to tell
you, folk, saying,
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I thank God for Danny Sheldon,
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how he stood by me in
those days, still does.
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But I want to
tell you something.
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I have seen the power of God.
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I don't just talk about it.
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But then something happened,
and I can't tell you about it.
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I can't tell you about it
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because it's
better to let some things
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just be forgotten.
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I believe in the text
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that all things
work together for good,
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but something happened.
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And we couldn't
follow through with our plans
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what the Russian
church wanted us to do,
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and preach in the
Great Hall of Congress's.
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We were told to go
to the city of Gorky.
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And that was the
city of Andrei Sakharov.
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And we went there
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because God had something
far better in store for us.
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Our disappointments, my friend,
are often God's appointments.
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And we went to Nizhny Novgorod,
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that's what it's called
today or the city of Gorky,
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the city of Andrei Sakharov,
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and there we saw
the mighty power of God.
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It had been a closed city.
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No foreigners were
allowed to go to Gorky
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since the days
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of that evil man Stalin.
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Sakharov, one of my heroes
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had been sent
there as a prisoner.
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He was the father of
the Soviet hydrogen bomb.
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And yet he became
one of my great heroes.
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He was the leading
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nuclear
scientist in all of Russia.
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He was brought
up as a Christian.
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And after he made
this infernal monster,
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the hydrogen bomb,
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he became a
conscientious objector,
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a dissident who opposed
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the totalitarian
government of the Soviet Union.
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That, my friend,
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took an immense
amount of courage.
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Andrei Sakharov
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then went on a great
campaign for freedom.
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He campaigned against war.
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He said, "If we
have a nuclear war,
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we're all going to die."
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He campaigned
against nuclear weapons,
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and racism, and pollution.
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He campaigned for
freedom of speech,
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let freedom ring.
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Freedom of speech,
freedom of thought,
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that a person's
got the right to think
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what he wants to think
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and to say what he
believes he should say.
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He campaigned for
freedom of the press.
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He campaigned
for an open society,
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freedom of information,
freedom of, listen to it,
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freedom of conscience,
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the right to travel and to
live where you want to live.
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And so he was
branded a dangerous man.
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He was branded a heretic,
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and an enemy of the state.
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Now, while this was going on,
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he was given the
Nobel Peace Prize in 1975.
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But he was not allowed to
go to Oslo and pick it up.
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His wife was allowed to go.
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Then his three
children rejected him,
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because he was threatening
their privileged lifestyles
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because this man
was such a big shot.
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He was vilified as
a traitor to the state
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and that is always dangerous.
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He was arrested in
1980 in White Fred.
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He was sent to Gorky,
the city where we were sent.
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When we could no longer
hold the great meetings,
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because the meetings
somehow were taken from us.
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But I can't tell you that story.
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The Great Hall of
Congress's that we had booked,
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we paid for it,
all the rest of it.
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Can't tell you that story.
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But in the grace of God,
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we were sent to the
city of Nizhny Novgorod
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or the city of Gorky.
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And this was the best thing
that had ever happened to us
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because it was a God thing.
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Sakharov had been sent there.
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Placed in isolation
in a small apartment,
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not allowed to
take any phone calls.
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One of my heroes
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because of his courage
and his great integrity.
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Oh, God, give us
today men of courage,
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give us men today of integrity,
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who will stand up for the truth.
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What do you say, my friend?
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We need to have men like this.
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Then another one of my
heroes comes on the scene.
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His name was and
is Mikhail Gorbachev.
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In 1986,
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he called Sakharov in Gorky,
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where we were sent
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and said, "I want you
to come back to Moscow.
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And I want you
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to become a member
of our parliament."
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Gorbachev, my friend
was a real, real hero.
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I respect him immensely.
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He gave us glasnost,
openness, and Perestroika,
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a reorganization of the
wicked communist system.
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So with God's help,
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because of
Gorbachev and Sakharov,
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we went to Gorky,
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the city of the
famous dissident.
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The man who thought for himself,
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the man who believed
in freedom of conscience,
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the man who
believed in the individual.
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One of the reasons
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I love the
United States of America
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is because of the
emphasis upon the individual
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that all people
are created equal.
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And they have the
right to freedom of speech.
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And there in the city of Gorky,
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we ran a great
evangelistic campaign
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that influenced the
whole Russian nation.
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Hallelujah. Amen.
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And that's where I met
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another great
Russian hero, Boris Nemtsov.
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He was the governor.
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I just admired this man so much,
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Governor Boris Nemtsov, a
man with a PhD in physicists.
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And when we started
the meetings in Gorky,
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firebombs were
thrown on the stage.
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As I was preaching,
they were out to get me.
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It's often dangerous
to preach the Word of God
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and Boris
Nemtsov came to our aid.
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He sent the
militia and delivered us
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out of the hands of
the mouths of the lions.
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I met him '92.
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I think I touched his
life and he touched mine.
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He was a great
defender of freedom.
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I met him at the Kremlin.
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We were invited to
go up to the Kremlin,
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and meet the governor.
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It was quite just an
amazing and astounding meeting.
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More recently Boris
was murdered on the bridge,
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next to the Kremlin,
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a hero and a
fighter for freedom.
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Now, today, we're
talking about my heroes.
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But you've got heroes too.
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But I'm talking about the people
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that I personally knew.
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This is Dr.
Julia, Dr. Julia Outkina,
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she was there at the funeral
of her brother in Moscow.
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I want to read a text now.
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I want to come over
here to Hebrews 12:1.
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Hebrews 12:1.
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And Hebrews Chapter 12,
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as some of you will
know, is a chapter on Hebrews.
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Hebrews 11, the
chapter on the Hebrews,
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on the Hebrew heroes,
the great heroes of faith,
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but Chapter 12, is
a bit of a summary.
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And I want to read verse 1.
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It says, "Therefore we also,
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since we are surrounded
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by so great a
cloud of witnesses,
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let us lay aside every weight,
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and the sin which
so easily ensnares us,
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and let us run with endurance
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the race that is set before us."
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The Bible says,
"We're surrounded
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by a tremendous
crowd of witnesses."
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And it's talking about
the great witnesses of faith,
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these great heroes.
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It's talking about the heroes,
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the Hebrew heroes of Hebrews 11.
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It talks about Abel,
it talks about Enoch.
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Look at Hebrews 11:5.
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Hebrews 11:5 says,
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"By faith Enoch was taken away
so that he did not see death,
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'and was not found,
because God had taken him,
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for before he was
taken he had this testimony,
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that he pleased God."
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He was one of
God's Mighty heroes,
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Abel, Enoch, Noah,
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,
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Joseph, Moses, mighty heroes.
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And today we're talking about
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some of the great unsung heroes,
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not so much the
heroes of the Bible.
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But heroes that nobody,
almost nobody knows about.
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I want you to
notice Hebrews 11:32- 33,
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"What more shall I say?
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For the time would fail me
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to tell of Gideon and
Barak and Samson, Jephthah,
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also David and
Samuel and the prophets,
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who through
faith subdued kingdoms,
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worked righteousness,
obtained promises,
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stopped the mouths of lions."
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You listening to me, friend?
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We're talking today
about ordinary people,
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but ordinary people who
did extraordinary things.
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I'm talking today
about some of the heroes
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that I've known.
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Men and women whose faith,
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whose actions changed
the course of history.
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Now, the heroes
I'm talking about today
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are not written
down in the Bible.
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I'm talking today
about unsung heroes.
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Perhaps you've
never heard of them,
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largely unknown,
unrecognized, not famous,
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but heroes just the same,
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people I personally knew or met
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who touched my
life in a powerful way.
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One of these unsung heroes
or two of these unsung heroes,
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Pastor and Mrs. Murga.
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You say to me, "Who on
earth are these people?
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We've never heard of
Pastor and Mrs. Murga."
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Well, they've worked in
the city of Kiev in Ukraine.
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Pastor Murga was
imprisoned by the communists.
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Why was he imprisoned?
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Because, my friend,
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he wouldn't inform
on his church members.
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Now back in those dreadful days,
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they were informers
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who used to tell the government
about the sheep of the flock.
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What a disgrace.
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But Pastor Murga
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was one of the great
soldiers of the cross,
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there he is with his
wife with Beverley and me.
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One of the greatest
people I've ever met.
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I want to tell you
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just a little bit
about Pastor Murga.
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He was thrown into
prison, he was beaten up,
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he was mistreated.
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He was there for years.
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And the communist
guards would say this to him,
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"Just tell us about
your church members.
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Tell us everything about them.
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Just tell us what
they do and their friends,
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and we're going to let you out.
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And we're going to make
you an officer in the KGB.
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We'll make you a colonel.
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And you'll get special rewards."
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This is what the communist did,
tried to do to the Christians.
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But Pastor Murga
said, "Nyet, nyet, nyet,
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never, never, never."
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He was there in
prison for years.
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I got to know him.
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He's one of my great heroes.
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When I was threatened
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by the state
authorities in 1995,
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in the city of Kiev, in
order to go to town hall,
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he stood by me.
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What happened?
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We were running these meetings,
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the Spirit of God
was being poured out,
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tens of thousands of people
were coming to the meetings.
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You say that
doesn't happen anymore?
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Yes, it does.
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I've seen the power of God.
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I'm not an armchair theologian.
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I'm not just talking
about stuff banging up.
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This is the truth.
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And so the city
authorities are so afraid
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of the success of the meetings,
that I was called to city hall,
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and interrogated and threatened.
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Even threatened me with my life.
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But Pastor Murga was
waiting outside the door.
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And when I came out,
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and he was there
with his colleagues,
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he said to me, "What happened?
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Did you surrender?"
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I said, "By the grace of
God, we did not surrender."
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You know what he said to me?
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I'm embarrassed to
tell you, you want to hear?
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He said, "I was afraid
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that because you
were living in the West,
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you would have surrendered.
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Because I know that
they were threatening you."
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So he said, "We've been
out here praying to God,
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that God will give you
courage not to deny Christ."
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I told him by the grace of God.
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I said to them, one word.
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And I said it over and over,
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and I said it
over and over again.
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I said, "Nyet, nyet, nyet, no."
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I said, "You can lock me
up, you can throw me in prison,
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but by the grace of God,
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we are not going to
close down the meetings,
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we will not forsake Christ."
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And the man who was standing
by my side is Pastor Murga.
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Later, I stood beside
the commanding officer
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at a military march-past.
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I've had some
amazing experiences.
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I've just been amazed.
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I was asked to go and
stand up beside the General.
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And he said, "Would you
like to take the salute?"
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I said, "Look, really, I'm
not into too much of that stuff.
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I'm just a
beaten-up old pastor."
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He said, "We want
you to come up here
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and the troops marched past."
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This, my friend, was in Kiev.
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People say, "We can't
believe these things."
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Of course, you can't
if you don't have faith.
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But, my friend, without faith,
it's impossible to please God.
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But Jesus said, "If
we have faith in God,
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everything will be possible."
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But what am I
telling you about the story,
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the story here
about the soldiers for?
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Because after I had spoken
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to a vast number
of these soldiers
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that I had inspected on parade.
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The General said to me,
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"These people here
need to have Bibles
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and they need to
hear the Word of God."
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And so I
preached to them a sermon.
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But this is not the end of it.
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There was someone
who stepped forward
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like an apostle to preach
and teach to the soldiers,
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and to the
general and the colonels
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and all the rest of them.
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That was Mrs. Murga.
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Pastor Murga came
along with his wife.
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He said, "I'm
giving, I'm preaching here,
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I'm preaching there.
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We don't have
any more preachers,
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but we've got someone here,
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who's prepared to come
and stand in the breach
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and answer the call.
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That was Mrs. Murga.
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I just want you to know,
I get a lump in my throat
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when I think about these people.
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These are my heroes.
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Another great hero,
Pastor Mikhail Kulakov.
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He became the
president of our church,
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and he was the
person who asked me
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to go to the Hall of Congress's.
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I felt so bad about this,
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but it was just
taken out of our hands.
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But we can't
tell you that story.
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It's best to let
some things just die
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and realize that
God is bigger than men,
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and God can overthrow
the crafty council of men.
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And if we trust in
God, it's going to be okay.
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But when Pastor
Kulakov was a young man.
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He used to go along to
church with his father.
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His father was
preaching one day in the pulpit.
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And the communists
came, the KGB came,
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and they took him away,
and he never saw his dad again.
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You know what this man did?
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This is almost
too hard to believe.
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This man, Mikhail Kulakov,
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he said, "I'm going to be
in the pulpit next Sabbath."
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And so next Sabbath, he
was there in the pulpit,
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and he was
preaching the Word of God,
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that takes a lot of courage.
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What would you do?
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If the government says
you're not allowed to do it,
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what are you going to do?
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Let me tell you, my friend,
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something, I want you to
hear this loud and clear.
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God is our first
authority, not the government.
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God, it's better to obey
God than it is to obey men,
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the Bible says.
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So this man, Pastor
Kulakov, he was sent to Siberia.
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I've been to Siberia many times,
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it gets terribly, terribly cold.
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I've been in
Siberia when it's minus 40
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without the wind chill factor.
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It's cold.
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If you spit, the spit
hits the ground as ice.
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You say that's the story.
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Yeah, but it's a true one.
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So he was thrown into prison,
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and he had to
work in the daytime
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had to go out in the
forest and cut down trees.
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Down the road from this prison,
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there was a little village
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and there was a
Christian family,
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Adventist Christians,
beautiful young woman,
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and she was praying that
God would send her a husband.
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Where do you find a husband
in that part of the world?
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Then you heard about
this young man in prison.
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And he was hungry.
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And so they used
to take him food,
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bosch, hot Russian bread,
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they fell in love,
she became Mrs. Kulakov.
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When I went there to
Moscow, by the grace of God,
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when communism is still ruling,
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this man became my translator.
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I want to tell you, folk,
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something, I
salute these people.
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Look, we are simply,
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we're babies
compared with these people.
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We don't know how,
what suffering is like.
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But some of these people
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have been through absolute hell.
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And they've stood for Christ.
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What can I learn?
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I can learn many, many lessons
and one lesson is courage.
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Like Paul, the prisoner had.
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Paul the prisoner.
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Goodness me, Paul, the prisoner.
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There he is.
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Became one of my great friends.
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Why do we call
him Paul the prisoner?
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Because he was
thrown into prison.
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Why was he thrown into prison?
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He was thrown into prison,
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because he was running in secret
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a little printing press.
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That was a big no, no,
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because once you
start putting stuff out,
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people may find out about God.
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He was turned in by
a leader of the church.
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You say, "Those
things don't happen."
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Of course, they happen.
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Back in those days,
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there were people who
were betraying each other.
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People in the church
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were betraying their
brothers and their sisters.
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There's a text
about this, Luke 21:16-17.
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And I'm going to read this text
and then I'm going to tell you
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a little bit more
about Paul, the prisoner.
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Okay, are you still with me?
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Are you listening?
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"You will be betrayed
even by parents and brothers,
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relatives and friends,
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and they will put
some of you to death.
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And you will be hated
by all for My name's sake."
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You say, "I can't believe this."
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What Jesus said
it's going to happen.
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Even your loved ones
are going to be betray you.
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But Jesus said,
now listen to me.
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Jesus said, "Be
faithful unto death.
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And I'm going to
give you a crown of life."
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I want you to know this.
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We are living in the
time of the apocalypse.
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Now I'm going to tell you
the story of Paul the prisoner,
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how he was thrown
into a refrigerator cell.
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How they freeze him
up, and throw him out,
00:25:44.97\00:25:47.98
freeze him up, throw
him out, then beat him up,
00:25:48.01\00:25:52.15
and knock his teeth out.
00:25:52.18\00:25:53.72
All this is coming
up in the next segment.
00:25:53.75\00:25:56.45
I've got so much
to share with you.
00:25:56.48\00:25:58.59
I'm talking today
about God's mighty heroes.
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Stay with me please.
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