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Floods, fires, hurricanes,
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John Carter will focus
today on climate change.
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Hello, friend, I am John Carter.
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Welcome today to
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Dr. Hugh Ross from
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And the topic
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Welcome today to
The Carter Report.
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My special guest is
world famous scientist,
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astronomer,
astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross.
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Dr. Ross, we are delighted
to have you with us today.
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Well, thank you.
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And we're talking
about climate change.
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Before we start,
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we're here in
Southern California
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and down the road from us
about a hundred miles or so
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is Loma Linda University.
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Now you've got 'em,
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you've got a boy
going there to Loma Linda?
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Well, I've given talks
there and very well received
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and, yeah, my younger
son is getting a doctorate
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in clinical
neuropsychology at Loma Linda
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and he's really
enjoyed his experience there.
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Well, we're just so
glad that you've been
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talking at Loma Linda
and that makes it so good
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because we
appreciate Loma Linda very much.
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Now today, ladies and gentlemen,
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we're talking about
climate change, Doctor.
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How much hotter
is the planet today
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than it was 100 years ago?
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One degree centigrade.
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That's a very quick answer.
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I thought you'd fill
that out a little bit for me.
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Well, it doesn't seem like much,
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but it took 8700
years for the temperature
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to very gradually decline
by one degree centigrade.
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In the last 70 years,
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we completely reversed that
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and the alarm
is that could go up
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by another one to
two degrees centigrade.
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And so everybody would agree
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that during the
period of human civilization,
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there has been a
time of global stability
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in the climate.
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Yes, we're partly
responsible for that.
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The astronomical cycles
that began 8700 years ago,
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that would've
cooled the climate rapidly
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if it wasn't for the
launch of human civilization.
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And so you've got
these astronomical cycles
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cooling the planet,
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counterbalance by human
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launch of civilization
that warmed the planet.
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And the two almost perfectly
cancelled one another off,
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to give this period of
extreme climate stability
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that has never existed before.
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So it would almost
appear to the naive mind,
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the unscientific mind
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that there was a little
bit of divine guidance here.
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I think so,
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the divine guidance is not
only on the natural cycle side
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but also on the
human activity side
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'cause why I find fascinating
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the growth of human civilization
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perfectly counterbalanced
the natural cooling cycles
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to give this a period of
extreme climate stability...
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Which is extraordinary.
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So there's a fine
balance and equilibrium.
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Well, also gives me
hope that we can extend this.
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I mean just look at
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what's happened
over the past 9000 years
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if we simply you know,
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counterbalance the
coolingness going on
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with just the right
amount of human activity,
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we can extend this
period of climate stability.
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Does it take much to upset
the equilibrium of the planet?
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Well, especially now there
are about 7.5 billion of us,
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yes, we have to
be much more careful
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about our human activities
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so that we
perfectly balance often.
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So almost we're sitting on a...
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On a knife edge, definitely.
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On a very fine knife edge.
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Yes.
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And this would
indicate to me at least
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that this did not
happen by blind chance.
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What's the main
purpose in my book
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whether in
climate change you see,
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this is not a
fluke, it's not an anomaly.
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This is something that requires
incredible divine fine tuning
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in order to make this possible,
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and it's in the
biblical context,
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God wants to redeem
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a huge
population in human beings
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for that to be possible,
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there has to be this period
of extreme climate stability.
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Now you're talking
like a Bible believer.
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Have you always been
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a Christian and
a Bible believer?
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No, I was not
raised in a Christian home.
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I became a Christian
through my astrophysics.
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Tell me about your
home, not a Christian home?
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It was a moral home.
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My parents definitely
believe in the morality
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that's taught in the Bible.
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Eternal life thing is
something that they rejected
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until late in their life.
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They did become Christians,
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but not until 30 years
after I became a Christian.
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So what made you
become a Christian?
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You're brought up in Canada,
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you're brought
up in a moral home
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but not in a believing home,
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but you became a believer
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and you lead today
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a world famous
Christian organization.
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Well, I got into
astronomy when I was seven.
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I was a very
passionate student of astronomy.
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When you're seven?
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Yeah, I was reading five books
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on physics and astronomy a week.
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And after several
years when I was 17,
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I finally became convinced
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because of my
studies in astronomy,
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the universe had a beginning.
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If the universe had a beginning,
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there has to be
a cosmic beginner.
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So I began to search to
find that cosmic beginner
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and I began in
all the wrong places.
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And almost every
scientist today believes
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that the
universe had a beginning.
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That's true, is it not? Yes.
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But a lot of them,
that's gonna where they stopped,
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they don't go on and
search for the cosmic beginner.
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I did.
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And I began to look for Him
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in the writings
of the philosophers,
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didn't get very
far with that approach,
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then I began to look
up the world's Holy books
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and it was a Gideon Bible
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that was presented to me
in a Canadian Public School,
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I studied that for
18 months and realized
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this gets all
the astronomy right,
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it gets all the science right,
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it predicts
scientific discoveries,
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thousands of years in advance,
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it never makes a mistake,
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this has to be a message
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from the one that
created the universe.
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Now this is extraordinary
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because you read the
other so called Holy books.
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Right.
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And you got a Gideon's Bible.
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You were staying in a hotel?
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No, it was a Bible
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that was given to
us in a public school.
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A couple of Gideon's
came in our public school,
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put two boxes...
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This was allowed in those days?
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It was allowed in those days.
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Wouldn't happen today probably?
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Well today you got a, you know,
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distribute the
Bibles off campus,
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but back then,
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they were allowed
to come to the schools,
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they weren't allowed to speak,
they couldn't say anything.
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They just put a couple of boxes
on our teacher's desk and left,
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but I took only Gideon Bible,
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it stayed on my bookshelf
untouched for six years.
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Goodness!
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And then finally
I have picked it up,
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began to go through it
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and realized this book
is unlike any other book
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I've ever looked at.
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While it took me 18 months
to become completely convinced
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this is a supernatural, inspired
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inerrant word of the one
that created the universe.
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And I got to give
great credit to the Gideon's.
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They tell you
what you need to do
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once you've become
convinced of that truth,
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so I followed
their instructions...
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Thank God for the Gideon's!
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And they don't
let you off the hook.
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They got a place
in their Gideon Bibles
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where you sign
your name and date it,
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committing your
life to Jesus Christ
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as Creator Lord and Savior.
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So I did that
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and it still took me
quite a few years after that
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before I claim that Christians.
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I was looking again
at all the wrong places
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to find Christians,
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but eventually I found them.
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And then you went to university.
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In Canada, it's hard to
find Bible believing churches
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so I found a lot of churches
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but people there didn't believe.
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The Bible's a word of God.
That's the same in America.
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Lot of churches,
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not such a huge
amount of Christianity
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but then you went, what
university did you go to?
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I got my PhD at the
University of Toronto,
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I did meet some
committed Christians
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here just a few weeks before
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I was scheduled to
leave to go to Caltech,
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so I get a little inkling there.
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When I arrived at Caltech,
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that's where I met
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really strong Bible
believing Christians
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in the astronomy
department at Caltech...
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That's not far from here.
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And they showed me
how to find a good church.
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Within seven months that church
put me on their pastoral staff,
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to equip people to
use science as a tool.
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And so you found
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genuine committed
Christians at Caltech?
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Very committed Christians,
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although I found a lot
of them weren't equipped
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to share their
faith with their peers.
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There's a lot of
atheists at Caltech too.
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Yes, of course.
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And that's how it's discovered.
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Christian
astronomers there saw me
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sharing with these atheists
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and using science to
convince them there is a God.
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Actually, I got to see
some atheist astronomers
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come to Christ...
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That's amazing.
There in Caltech.
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It's a great story.
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Now, what did
you study at Caltech?
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What did you do at Caltech?
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I was doing research
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on distant quasars and galaxies
at short radio wavelengths.
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Yeah, that's a big help.
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Okay.
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Well, I was studying
the energy mechanisms
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inside these big
galaxy and quasars,
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trying to figure out
why they're so bright
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and why they bury in
brightness the way they do.
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We now know it's all due
to super massive black holes.
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Back then, it was
considered a mystery.
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And so you were brought
up in a home of unbelief,
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a moral home but unbelief.
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You read a Gideon's Bible,
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God spoke to you
through the reading of the Word
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because you
discovered that the Word
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was in harmony with science.
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Then you become a
specialist in studying
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the fine tuning of the universe,
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and you've
discovered that the universe
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not only fined tuned out there,
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it's fine tuned
right here in the planet.
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Its fine tuned everywhere,
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all the way down to
the fundamental particles.
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No matter what
size scale you look at,
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you see overwhelming
evidence for fine tuning
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to make our existence possible,
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but especially
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to take our
redemption from evil possible.
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I believe the whole universe,
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everything on the earth
has been fine tuned by God
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to eradicate evil and
suffering once and for all.
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Yeah, we say amen to this
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and our friends at Loma
Linda would say amen to this.
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We believe that
there's a great God
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and he has ended human history
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in the person of His Son...
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Yes.
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Who is the active
agent in creation.
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He's the
creator. He did all this.
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Yes, He is. Right.
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Yes.
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The world was made
by Him and through Him.
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Let's get back now
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to climate change on the planet.
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Yes.
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Now, for a period of time,
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during the period
of human civilization
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through fine tuning,
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the temperature has
been wonderfully matched.
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But during the last 100 years,
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the temperature has
gone up 1 degree Celsius,
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is it one degree or more?
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One degree Celsius.
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Not more than that?
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Well, it's continuing
to go up but as of 2019
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compared to the year
1900 one degree centigrade.
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And this can throw
us into a disaster,
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if it continues to go up?
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All, for example
about half of the summer
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ice of the Arctic
ice cap has disappeared
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in the last 35 years.
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Now I want you to say this again
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because I have some folks
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who they say to me,
"No you can't believe this.
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This is sort of a fake news."
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The Arctic ice cap
has decreased by how much?
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By about half.
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And if that were to
continue, in other words,
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if we continue
to warm the planet,
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it could completely disappear.
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If it completely disappears,
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we're gonna get a lot more snow
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falling on the
Canadian north and Siberia.
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Both of those
regions today are deserts.
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They only get about 10 inches
of precipitation per year,
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which is why they
don't have accumulating ice.
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But if we were to
double that to 20 inches,
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even though both
those regions become warmer,
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you're gonna get an accumulation
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of snow and ice.
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And the last time that happened,
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all of Canada was covered
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with more than 3000
feet thickness of ice.
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How many feet?
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Three thousand feet thickness
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and the ice actually
came all the way down
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into Southern California.
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And now this is
not fiction, is it?
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We have evidence
that this did happen.
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Well, just look at
your Samahni Valley.
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Of course.
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That was carved out,
yeah, by the ice stage melting.
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So the evidence is
everywhere and we've known,
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we've been in
this ice age cycle,
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but one of the
good news is this,
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there are things we can do
to maintain climate stability,
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at least for another 1000 years,
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maybe 1500 years,
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hence we can do
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that would actually
boost the world economy,
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stabilize the
climate, everybody wins
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and there's no
need for the politicians
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to get involved in it.
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That'd be great.
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Let me just
give you a text here.
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Sure.
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And I got no idea
what you think about this,
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but I was reading
this, this morning.
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It says in Revelation 11:18.
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Now, I don't know
what you think about this
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but personally from the
study of the scriptures,
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I believe that we're
living in the last era.
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Now, this is my personal belief,
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that's why I do what I do.
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It says here, "The
nations were angry,
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and Your wrath has come,
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and the time of the dead,
that they should be judged,"
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Revelation 11:18,
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"and that You should reward
Your servants the prophets
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and the saints, and
those who fear Your name,
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small and great,
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" now you notice as
well as I do, I'm sure,
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"and should destroy
those who destroy the earth."
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Bible prophecy seem to indicate
that man would get the capacity
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to interfere with the earth
to the extent that he would put
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the very survivability
of the earth in question.
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Well, Isaiah
speaks about this as well
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and I believe that
could really happen.
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It could be a lot more
damage to our environmental life
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to take place before
people wake up to their senses.
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I'm pre-millennial,
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so maybe it's gonna
take the return of the Lord
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to actually bring into affect
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these things are would
actually stabilize the climate
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while boosting
the world economy.
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So yes, it's possible
that things could get worse
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before they get better.
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And so when people say,
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there's no such
thing as climate change,
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they're not really giving
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a great deal of consideration
to this text at least.
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Yeah, I think
what's interesting,
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in the last year
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I've seen that people
across the political spectra
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are now agreeing the
global warming is real,
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where the debate is
what's causing that?
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There's still a big debate
00:16:53.84\00:16:55.18
whether human
activity is mostly responsible,
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but I'm finding at least
in the scientific community,
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there's now a
consensus that human activity
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is the predominant
factor, but not the only factor.
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So you think that human activity
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in the last 100 years,
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during the days
of the industrial age
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could be
pushing us over the edge
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as far as climate
change is concerned?
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That's possible,
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but it's a whole
lot more complicated
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than just looking
at carbon dioxide.
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Oh, it is?
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I think that's where
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there's been a lot of confusion.
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So what should we look at
beside this stuff we got on?
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Well, you should
be looking at methane,
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you should be
looking at nitrous oxide,
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you should be
looking at certain carbon.
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I think one reason why
the polar ice cap is melting
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as fast as it is,
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it's not just
the greenhouse gases,
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it's all that black carbon
substance deposited on the ice
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which absorbs heat from the sun.
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And there's
other factors as well.
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That's one of things
that I'm trying to make clear
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in my book "Weather
and Climate Change."
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But these are human factors?
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They're all human
factors but they're complicated
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and I think we're at great risk
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in trying to
stabilize the climate
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of putting into effect something
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that has
unintended consequences.
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So again, I think we need
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an interdisciplinary
approach to this.
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In fact we're giving away
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a free chapter in
Weather and Climate Change,
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which basically talks about
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how we need to be careful
about unintended consequences
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of what we think
are good actions.
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And be specific.
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What could be
some of the bad things
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that people could do
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to try to stabilize the climate?
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Well, one is we need
to stop all lumbering
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and preserve the forest
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'cause they soak
up greenhouse gases,
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and when they're not
taking into the account is,
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old trees are
dying and when they die,
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they release carbon
dioxide to the atmosphere
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and they don't grow that fast.
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We actually should be careful
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of our harvesting at
least some of these old trees,
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while they are still healthy,
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turn them into
furniture and wood at homes
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and then make
sure we replace those
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with the younger trees
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that are much more efficient
00:19:02.77\00:19:04.11
at pulling greenhouse
gas of the atmosphere.
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This is a very balanced concept.
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It is.
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Well, for one thing
you make the most money
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if you use this
approach in lumbering.
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Because some people say,
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we should stop all lumbering
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and stop cutting down old trees.
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What about what's happening down
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in Brazil and so forth?
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Well, it's a mistake to cut down
00:19:22.56\00:19:24.36
the Amazon forest and
replace with pasture land.
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That's the
worst thing we can do.
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That's disaster,
isn't it? That's disaster.
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The soil can't support that
00:19:30.83\00:19:32.93
and the greenhouse
gases your pull level
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will be much reduced.
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And this is happening, isn't it?
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It's happening.
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But what I'm
arguing for is we can have
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what I call
responsible lumbering
00:19:40.54\00:19:42.78
of the Amazon forest
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where we're pulling
out these old trees,
00:19:44.75\00:19:46.88
replacing with the young trees,
00:19:46.92\00:19:48.82
we can actually make the Amazon
00:19:48.85\00:19:50.35
more productive in
terms of the Brazilian economy
00:19:50.39\00:19:54.06
they are more productive
in pulling greenhouse gases.
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What do the young trees do
that the old trees can't do?
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Well, they grow much faster
00:19:59.26\00:20:00.90
than the older trees, therefore,
00:20:00.93\00:20:02.93
they're pulling
more greenhouse gas
00:20:02.96\00:20:04.57
of the atmosphere.
00:20:04.60\00:20:05.97
They're also less susceptible
to pass a lightning strokes
00:20:06.00\00:20:10.64
and droughts which means
they're less likely to die.
00:20:10.67\00:20:14.01
Keep in mind, when a tree dies,
00:20:14.04\00:20:15.64
it decays and
releases greenhouse gases.
00:20:15.68\00:20:17.35
Of course, yes.
00:20:17.38\00:20:18.71
You want to harvest the tree
before it gets to that point.
00:20:18.75\00:20:22.68
Now this is a
very delicate point
00:20:22.72\00:20:25.65
that I'm going to bring up.
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What about the cows?
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We like cows.
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My wife said, she was brought up
00:20:32.29\00:20:33.63
on a cow farm in Australia.
00:20:33.66\00:20:35.43
She said, "Don't say
anything about the cows."
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She said, "I like the cows."
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Well, I am with
her in that sense
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is that one reason
00:20:42.24\00:20:43.64
why we have this
period of climate stability,
00:20:43.67\00:20:46.84
while the astronomical
cycles were cooling the planet,
00:20:46.88\00:20:49.94
we domesticated cows
00:20:49.98\00:20:52.25
and cows release a
lot of greenhouse gases
00:20:52.28\00:20:54.62
in the atmosphere.
00:20:54.65\00:20:56.05
And that caused
the warming effect
00:20:56.08\00:20:58.49
that counterbalanced
the cooling effect.
00:20:58.52\00:21:00.62
Now, however given that
00:21:00.66\00:21:02.52
we have industrial
activity that's pushing
00:21:02.56\00:21:04.79
a lot more of
these greenhouse gas
00:21:04.83\00:21:06.56
in the atmosphere,
00:21:06.59\00:21:08.03
we might be wise to consider
00:21:08.06\00:21:10.60
replacing the cows
with say ostriches and emus.
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Australia's got emus.
00:21:14.87\00:21:16.20
Yeah, millions of them.
00:21:16.24\00:21:19.34
And so because...
00:21:19.37\00:21:20.71
How much stuff
do the cows put out?
00:21:20.74\00:21:24.65
I'm told they're big
polluter, are they not?
00:21:24.68\00:21:27.12
They are a major contributor
to the global warming
00:21:27.15\00:21:30.52
that we see on planet.
00:21:30.55\00:21:31.95
Really major?
00:21:31.99\00:21:33.32
They're significant.
00:21:33.36\00:21:34.69
I'm not saying
they're the biggest factor,
00:21:34.72\00:21:36.06
but they are a large factor.
00:21:36.09\00:21:38.26
And if we were to
replace our dependence on beef
00:21:38.29\00:21:42.03
with say ostrich meat.
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Number one, the ostrich meat
00:21:43.70\00:21:45.50
is just as iron
rich as the beef,
00:21:45.53\00:21:47.90
it's healthier for you...
00:21:47.94\00:21:49.27
Less fat.
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Lot less fat,
lot less cholesterol
00:21:50.67\00:21:52.54
and they emit less than 2%
00:21:52.57\00:21:54.68
of the greenhouse
gases that cows emit.
00:21:54.71\00:21:57.28
Moreover, you don't
need to cut down as many...
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Two percent?
00:21:58.75\00:22:00.08
Less than 2%.
00:22:00.12\00:22:01.45
Less than 2% of the cows?
00:22:01.48\00:22:02.82
Right. Amazing.
00:22:02.85\00:22:04.19
You don't need as much
land to raise these ostriches,
00:22:04.22\00:22:06.86
so you don't have to cut
down forest to raise them.
00:22:06.89\00:22:09.96
However, there's one caveat.
00:22:09.99\00:22:11.76
They need human attention.
00:22:11.79\00:22:14.30
Cows, you can ignore.
00:22:14.33\00:22:15.70
Yeah, not
ostriches. Not ostriches.
00:22:15.73\00:22:17.27
Certainly not emus.
00:22:17.30\00:22:18.70
But if you give
them human attention,
00:22:18.73\00:22:21.44
they'll be healthy,
they'll be productive,
00:22:21.47\00:22:23.61
you'll make a lot of money.
00:22:23.64\00:22:24.97
Yes. And it's much healthier.
00:22:25.01\00:22:26.71
This is a win-win example.
00:22:26.74\00:22:28.28
It's a great idea.
00:22:28.31\00:22:29.64
People get more money,
00:22:29.68\00:22:31.01
it's healthier for
the human population,
00:22:31.05\00:22:33.31
and it'll be a big factor
in restoring climate stability.
00:22:33.35\00:22:35.82
Let me just say a few words
and if you could comment on,
00:22:35.85\00:22:39.02
if you don't mind.
00:22:39.05\00:22:40.42
Coal burning electricity plants,
00:22:40.46\00:22:44.06
vehicles, planes,
reflectors in space,
00:22:44.09\00:22:50.40
whales, the
Sahara Desert etc, etc.
00:22:50.43\00:22:54.77
Well, I have two chapters...
00:22:54.80\00:22:56.14
I got these out of your book.
00:22:56.17\00:22:57.51
Yes. It's in
Weather and Climate Change
00:22:57.54\00:22:58.87
and basically making a point.
00:22:58.91\00:23:00.84
There's a number
of things we can do
00:23:00.88\00:23:03.91
that will
restore climate stability
00:23:03.95\00:23:06.78
and actually produce more income
00:23:06.82\00:23:08.78
for the peoples of the world.
00:23:08.82\00:23:10.62
I think was driving this debate,
00:23:10.65\00:23:12.49
we got politicians
and scientists saying,
00:23:12.52\00:23:15.49
we have an
impending catastrophe here,
00:23:15.52\00:23:19.09
we need to be prepared to make
Draconian economic sacrifices.
00:23:19.13\00:23:22.73
Stop driving cars, shut
down all of our factories,
00:23:22.76\00:23:25.73
stop burning coal,
you can't enforce that.
00:23:25.77\00:23:28.64
No, you can't.
00:23:28.67\00:23:30.01
Telling people to
live on less money
00:23:30.04\00:23:31.37
really doesn't work very well.
00:23:31.41\00:23:33.48
But if you can
provide them the solutions
00:23:33.51\00:23:35.98
that will increase
our standard of living,
00:23:36.01\00:23:38.81
at the same time
stabilize the climate,
00:23:38.85\00:23:41.35
I don't know what
politician in the world
00:23:41.38\00:23:43.15
that's gonna vote against that.
00:23:43.18\00:23:44.79
Let's go for and we do
that, and I would also argue,
00:23:44.82\00:23:48.19
this is a biblical principle.
00:23:48.22\00:23:50.33
God told us in Genesis and Job,
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we're responsible to manage
the planet for our benefit
00:23:53.53\00:23:57.33
and the benefit of all life.
00:23:57.37\00:23:59.33
What He tells us in
Job is He's provided us
00:23:59.37\00:24:01.97
with the resources
to fulfill that command.
00:24:02.00\00:24:05.07
We need to trust God
and look for those solutions
00:24:05.11\00:24:08.81
that are simultaneously,
00:24:08.84\00:24:10.31
ethically beneficial
and economically beneficial.
00:24:10.35\00:24:14.75
Tell me about the whales
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'cause that's sort of
blew me away, the whales.
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Well, people look
at whales and say,
00:24:19.89\00:24:21.52
they are the biggest
animals in the planet,
00:24:21.56\00:24:23.56
look at all the
carbon dioxide they blew
00:24:23.59\00:24:25.16
breathing of the atmosphere.
00:24:25.19\00:24:27.50
Maybe it's a good thing.
00:24:27.53\00:24:28.86
We were close to
wiping out the whales,
00:24:28.90\00:24:30.97
maybe we should start
trying to restore the whales.
00:24:31.00\00:24:33.84
It was an
Australian study that revealed,
00:24:33.87\00:24:36.74
yes, whales breathe out
a lot of carbon dioxide,
00:24:36.77\00:24:40.04
but they also
defecate soluble iron minerals
00:24:40.08\00:24:43.65
on the surface of the ocean
00:24:43.68\00:24:45.61
that fertilizes
the phytoplankton.
00:24:45.65\00:24:48.05
And for every
ton of carbon dioxide
00:24:48.08\00:24:50.05
they breathe
into the atmosphere,
00:24:50.09\00:24:52.09
they remove 4
tons of carbon dioxide
00:24:52.12\00:24:55.02
by fertilizing
the phytoplankton.
00:24:55.06\00:24:56.56
Astounding.
00:24:56.59\00:24:57.93
And when you
fertilize the phytoplankton,
00:24:57.96\00:25:00.00
you get more
zooplankton, you get more fish.
00:25:00.03\00:25:03.16
So there's more
food for the whales,
00:25:03.20\00:25:06.13
there's more food for us,
00:25:06.17\00:25:07.50
there's more food
00:25:07.54\00:25:08.87
for the entire marine ecosystem.
00:25:08.90\00:25:10.44
This is an economic benefit.
00:25:10.47\00:25:12.31
Let's bring the whales back
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to where they
were 300 years ago.
00:25:13.71\00:25:15.04
This is
evidence for the creator.
00:25:15.08\00:25:16.88
It is. It's all been designed.
00:25:16.91\00:25:18.75
Now, as a Christian and
as a scientist, Dr. Ross,
00:25:18.78\00:25:24.39
what is your
hope for the future?
00:25:24.42\00:25:26.89
Oh, my hope for the future
is that we'd be able to sustain
00:25:26.92\00:25:30.13
this climate
stability long enough
00:25:30.16\00:25:32.93
that we could see
00:25:32.96\00:25:34.73
every people group in the world
hear and respond to the gospel.
00:25:34.76\00:25:39.77
I mean, this is
the biblical message.
00:25:39.80\00:25:41.80
God created this planet
00:25:41.84\00:25:43.77
so that the
full number of humans
00:25:43.81\00:25:46.21
He intends to
redeem would be redeemed.
00:25:46.24\00:25:49.01
I'm convinced we need
climate stability to fulfill
00:25:49.04\00:25:52.18
the great commission
00:25:52.21\00:25:53.55
to take the good
news of salvation,
00:25:53.58\00:25:55.65
to all the people
groups of the world.
00:25:55.68\00:25:57.39
You plan one
day to live forever?
00:25:57.42\00:25:59.69
Yes.
00:25:59.72\00:26:01.06
Not in this life,
but the next life.
00:26:01.09\00:26:02.42
We need to realize
00:26:02.46\00:26:03.79
what's unique
about Christianity,
00:26:03.83\00:26:05.73
it's a two creation model.
00:26:05.76\00:26:07.86
One creation that
God uses to eradicate
00:26:07.90\00:26:10.73
evil and
suffering once and for all
00:26:10.77\00:26:13.23
to be replaced
by second creation
00:26:13.27\00:26:15.90
where evil and suffering
will never exist again.
00:26:15.94\00:26:18.87
That's our eternal home.
00:26:18.91\00:26:20.48
We're simply passing through.
00:26:20.51\00:26:22.54
We say amen and amen.
00:26:22.58\00:26:25.28
And it's been
our great privilege
00:26:25.31\00:26:27.48
to have you with us today
00:26:27.52\00:26:28.85
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00:26:28.88\00:26:31.45
Been great having you
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00:26:31.49\00:26:33.72
you've been
listening to The Carter Report
00:26:33.76\00:26:35.59
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00:26:35.62\00:26:39.79
We've been talking
about climate change,
00:26:39.83\00:26:42.53
and we've been talking about
00:26:42.56\00:26:44.13
the coming of a brand new world.
00:26:44.17\00:26:46.94
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00:27:01.45\00:27:04.25
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00:27:04.29\00:27:09.06
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00:27:09.09\00:27:12.09
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thank you so much.
00:27:12.13\00:27:14.66
It's my pleasure.
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