Hello, friend. I'm John Carter.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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We're talking today
about Freedom of the Press
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and Freedom of Religion.
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My special guest is
the champion of Americanism
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and freedom,
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Attorney Alan Reinach.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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I'm John Carter in Moscow.
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In Havana, Cuba.
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Now in Kiev, the
capital of Ukraine.
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I'm John Carter in Petra.
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Right here in Communist China.
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Reporting from India.
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Hi, I'm John Carter
in the Solomon Islands.
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I'm John Carter in Soweto.
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From El Salvador.
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I'm John Carter
in Sydney, Australia.
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Pastor Carter
explores "Freedom of Religion
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and Freedom of the Press."
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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We're talking today
about Freedom of Religion
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and Freedom of the Press.
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Should America
become a theocracy?
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Alan, tell me about
the First Amendment?
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You know, I was
brought up in Australia,
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so I don't know
much about these things.
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So you're an expert on this.
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Tell me about
the First Amendment?
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Well, that's a
rather broad question, John.
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Yeah.
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But I daresay
most Americans today,
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at least our kids
can name more members
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of The Simpsons
television family
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than they can the freedoms
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that we have preserve
in our First Amendment.
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I use it slightly cynical.
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No, I'm not cynical at all.
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This is just reality.
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So you're been,
you're been factual.
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And I daresay, I
challenge our listeners,
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how many First Amendment
freedoms do you recall?
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Well, that's why
I'm asking you because,
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you know, I was
brought up in Australia.
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I'm not skilled in
these things like you are.
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Freedom of the
Press, Freedom of Religion.
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So Freedom of Religion,
we have two separate clauses,
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no establishment of
religion and free exercise.
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Oh, don't go so fast.
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What does that mean, no
establishment of religion?
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Okay.
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Well, this is terminology
that is foreign to us today.
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When I was a kid,
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there were some big words
that we used to like to say,
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you know, one of them was
antidisestablishmentarianism.
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Oh, goodness.
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Now, nobody had
any idea what it meant?
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I didn't know
until I got to college.
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Did you understand?
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No, I had no idea what it meant.
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Do you understand it now? I do.
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Because, you
know, in colonial days,
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it was a big movement
to disestablish the church
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because the
churches were all established
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in the sense that
they were financed
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and supported officially
by law, by the government.
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That's a bad idea.
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Well, it is a bad idea. Yeah.
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It's un-American now, isn't it?
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The American
way is to completely
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disestablish the church
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to have an
independent religious sector
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from the government sector.
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So we have a healthy
separation of church and state.
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Should religion be kept
out of government altogether?
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No.
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Don't you have a
chaplain in the Senate,
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in the Congress,
and all this stuff?
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So, you know,
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our practices have not
always been entirely consistent
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with the theory of a
complete disestablishment.
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So yes, and the
military presents
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kind of a unique conundrum
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because we have
military chaplains,
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who are not really
free to answer only
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to their own
conscience and faith
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because they're
officers of the military,
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they have to
serve the government.
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So it's, you know,
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they're free to minister
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to the spiritual
needs of the soldiers.
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But they're not free
to advocate, for example,
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a pacifist view
of not taking up arms
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and killing people,
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they can't really preach too
hard on "Thou shalt not kill."
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No.
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You know, so they're, you know,
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they're in an
interesting situation.
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Only in America.
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Now what about
Freedom of the Press?
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Do you think
Freedom of the Press today
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could be something serious?
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Do you think it could be
a serious challenge to it?
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There are enormous
threats to Freedom of the Press
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because the press is
so consistently mocked
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and vilified.
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So the mainstream,
look, the mainstream needed...
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Does it deserve it?
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No, it absolutely doesn't.
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It doesn't? No.
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I think it does sometimes?
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Well, the press obviously
gets things wrong sometimes.
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Yeah. Of course, they do.
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They're human. Yeah.
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You know, they try and...
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Are they
sometimes maliciously so?
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Look, what I am seeing
these days in social media
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are that people are
simply so propagandized,
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that they dismiss
anything the mainstream press
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has to say simply
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because of who the messenger is.
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So it doesn't
matter how factual CNN,
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or NBC, or
anybody else took parting
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or the New York Times.
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Did you say Fox?
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Well, no, they believe
everything that Fox reports,
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you know.
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What side are we
talking about here today?
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We have government apply,
help apply for Rupert Murdoch.
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Rupert Murdoch
owns Fox, and he has...
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Look, he is the
one behind Brexit.
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But he's a great Australian.
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Did you know that?
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Did you know that?
I'm asking you this.
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I knew he was Australian,
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whether you want to
say he's great or not,
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is open to question,
but he is very powerful.
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Some people say he's at least
the second most powerful man
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in America.
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Yeah, that's...
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They say, he calls
to president every day.
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I don't know about a
personal relationship...
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Yeah, they talk about cricket,
and football, and those things,
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that's what they
talk about, I'm sure.
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Look, Fox News has
become, in essence,
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the official press organ
of the American government,
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of the White House,
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their relationship is so cozy.
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It's kind of like what,
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you know, the Soviet media
was during the Soviet Union era.
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Oh, not as bad as that.
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Pretty much the same.
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You know, the Soviet era
was a totalitarian system.
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And even though
the American system
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may have to the casual viewer,
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one or two slight blemishes,
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it's not nearly as bad as
the old Soviet Union, is it?
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Okay.
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But just see the
difference here is that
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we do have other
media besides Fox.
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Yes, we do.
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Okay, so the comparison
between Fox and the Soviet era,
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I think is apropos.
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The fact is, we
have left wing media
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and we have
mainstream media as well.
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Before I dig a hole too deep,
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let me go to
another question here.
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Revelation 13 talks about
a coming time of persecution?
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Yes, it does.
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Now, if you don't mind,
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I'm going to read you the text
in Revelation 13, 14, and 15.
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And I hope my viewing audience
is enjoying the program today.
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And if you've just joined
us, this is the Carter Report
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and my guest is great defender
of freedom, Alan Reinach.
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Here we go, Alan.
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Let me see if I
can get you this text,
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Revelation 13, 14, and 15,
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"And he deceives
those who dwell on the earth
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by those signs
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which he was granted to do
in the sight of the beast."
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Now, the beast, most
people say is the antichrist
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or something like that.
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"Telling those
who dwell on the earth
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to make an image to the beast
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who was wounded by
the sword and lived.
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He was granted
power to give breath
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to the image of the beast,
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that the image of the
beast should both speak
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and cause as many
as would not worship
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the image of the
beast to be killed."
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Now,
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many, many
theologians have seen the beast
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as the union of
church and state.
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Well, the historic Protestant
view is that the beast
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that was wounded by
the sword and yet lived
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was the Roman Catholic Church.
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That's the Protestant view.
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And we're not talking
today about anybody living today
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right now but...
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Correct.
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But the beast power, they said,
was the coalition of church
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and state in the Dark Ages...
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Correct.
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Which persecuted
millions of people.
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It did. Yeah.
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Many believe and I believe
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that the image of the
beast is the copy of that system
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that existed in the Dark Ages,
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where you have
a theocracy today.
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So what it's
describing is really a revival
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of something
like the Inquisition,
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which was the
instrument of persecution
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of religious dissenters.
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Do you think everybody
knows about the Inquisition?
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Do you know about the
Inquisition, my friend,
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watching the Carter Report?
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What's the Inquisition?
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I hope so. Well...
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Not by personal
experience, I hope, Alan.
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No, no, no, no.
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But the Inquisition
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was an instrument of the church
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during the Dark
Ages to essentially
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try to convert
heretics by force.
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Yes.
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The theory was that
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it was okay to destroy the body
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in the hopes of saving the soul.
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And there were
instruments of torture used
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to try to coerce
people to faith in the church.
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You and I may have
possibly been victims
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of the Inquisition.
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Alan, if we lived 500 years ago?
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Well, you know, I'm
not likely to conform
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to any majority if you're...
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I've noticed this.
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You are a very
strong willed young man.
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Young, I like the sound of that.
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Yes, yes.
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We're trying to give
compliments out here today,
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if anybody calls me a
young man, I kiss him.
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Now...
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I'll be sure not to do so, John.
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Do you see unsettling events
happening in the world today
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that could bring about this
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diabolical religious
union of church and state?
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Well, of course.
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And, you know, as
I've said... Of course.
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Look, the greatest
threats to religious freedom
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are
fundamentalism and nationalism.
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And you have both of
those impulses raging
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in the United States today.
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Both
fundamentalism and nationalism.
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Do you think you
do or is this you...
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Pardon my saying because
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you're a distinguished attorney,
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and you know more
about religious liberty
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than just about anybody I
want, more than anybody I know.
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And I watch a bit of television,
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I don't see anybody who
knows as much as you do on this.
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Do you really think
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we have a
flourishing of fundamentalism,
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right-wing religion?
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Yes, we certainly do.
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It's not the
fundamentalism of a century ago
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which was much more orthodox,
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if I can use that
terminology in its theology,
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because today's brand
of religious enthusiasm
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is littered with heresy.
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And ignorance. Yes, it is.
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This is true, ignorance.
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Yes. Yeah.
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You know, for example.
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The less you know,
the louder you shout.
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We had an economic collapse
in this country a decade ago.
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Yes.
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And a lot of fingers
were pointed at greed
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on Wall Street
and appropriately so.
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Yes,
appropriately so. Absolutely.
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But what we
missed was the fact that,
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you know, somebody was taking
out these ridiculous mortgages
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that led to the
packaging of mortgages
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and the collapse of the economy.
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And they were
egged on by preachers
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in mega churches
around the country...
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Astounding.
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Teaching people that
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it was God's will
for them to be rich.
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And if they only had faith,
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they would have bigger
houses and nicer cars...
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The prosperity gospel.
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Praise the Lord. Hallelujah.
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Right.
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Which, you know, sounds great
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except that the flip side
of it is if you're struggling,
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if you're sick,
if you have cancer,
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it's because
God's not blessing you
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and your eternal
destiny is at risk.
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The prosperity
gospel is the very opposite
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of the true Gospel of Christ.
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Jesus said, "Blessed
are the poor in spirit."
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Yes.
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He didn't say,
blessed are the wealthy.
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Let me move on to this.
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And so you do
see thunder clouds,
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you do hear the flashes of,
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you see the
flashes of the lightning.
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Religious
intolerance is dominant
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throughout both
the Western world
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and the rest of the world.
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And it's
getting worse, isn't it?
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It is getting worse.
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You know, everyone recognizes
how polarized our nation is.
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And we see this in all
these terrible killings,
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these killings in
synagogues, and mosques,
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and even churches.
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But, you know, to be fair, John,
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it's often been said that
the Pharisees and Sadducees
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representing the right
and the left of their day
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agreed on little else
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than the necessity
of crucifying Christ.
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Yes.
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Well, the same is
likely to be repeated
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in the prophecy that you read,
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where the religious intolerance
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that forms an image of the beast
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and causes all
who do not worship
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the beast to be killed,
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is likely to be endorsed
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by both the right and the left.
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It is my conviction
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as an old pastor and
preacher of the gospel
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for almost 60 years
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that the
greatest threat to freedom
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is old fashioned ignorance.
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As somebody said,
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"Don't impute malice,
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when old fashioned
stupidity will do."
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And a lot of folks
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just don't have
any idea of history
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or of Bible prophecy.
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They don't know what's going on.
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Now, we're not saying,
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we're not
suggesting there's a parallel
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between what
happened in Nazi Germany
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and anything that's
happening today in the world.
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But you are a Jewish
brother from New York City?
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I am.
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And you happen
to believe in Jesus?
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Yes, I do. Yes.
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What happened in
Germany during the 1930s,
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and then the 1940s
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with the rise
of the Third Reich?
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What happened to
the Jewish people?
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Well, they were sent to camps
and gassed by the millions.
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How many?
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Six million. Six million.
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Some people deny that today.
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You know, when you go
to the Holocaust Museum
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in Washington, DC.
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One of the exhibits there,
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that really was so
emotionally moving for me
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was to see hair.
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Dreadful.
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Human hair that
was bundled into bales,
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like bales of hay
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and used for
commercial purposes.
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They were harvesting hair...
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Can you believe
it? For commerce.
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Yeah. Can you believe it?
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And this is what human beings.
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This is how
inhumane they had become
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in their conduct to regard...
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Why did Hitler
become so popular though?
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You know, there
are lessons for today
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because we have the
growing rise of intolerance
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around the world.
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And there's a
certain sort of sequence
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that we witnessed in Germany,
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it didn't start with the
camps and with the gas chambers.
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It started with
demonizing and scapegoating Jews
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for the economic troubles
and the social troubles.
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You know,
Germany in the 20s was,
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you know, Berlin was a
place of great decadence.
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Yes, it was. It
was the Jazz era.
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And, you know, homosexuality
was very public in Berlin.
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And so Hitler...
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And we're not
against homosexuals.
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Jesus died to save everybody.
Absolutely. Yes, He did.
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So let's just be clear on this,
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regardless of
what we believe about,
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you know, what is
proper sexual conduct?
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Jesus died to
save every human being,
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that's the gospel, right?
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So the sequence began
with scapegoating the Jews
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and blaming them
for the immorality,
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and the decadence,
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and the economic and
social troubles of the nation.
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And today,
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we see a lot of
demonizing of immigrants
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and Muslims in America.
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Well, scapegoating
and demonizing has led
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to attacks here and there,
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such as in Christ
church, New Zealand.
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Yes, outrageous, it's terrible.
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If it keeps going,
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the sequence becomes violence
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and increasing violence
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and even organized violence.
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And what about hate speech?
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Is there more hate speech today?
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Hate speech is
definitely a problem.
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But remember, we
protect speech in this country,
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we don't punish people
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for expressing hateful thoughts.
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It may be protected,
but it's not right, is it?
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No, it's...
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Well, there's a
difference between what's legal
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and what's moral.
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Of course.
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Now back in the days of Germany,
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when the Jews
were being persecuted,
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and other minority
groups were being persecuted.
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Of course, all the Christians
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ran to the side of
the Jews, didn't they?
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All the Christians
turned against Hitler,
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and they opposed him.
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You know, that
would be a very nice
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alternative view of history.
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There was a TV show
that had a version of,
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you know, the outcome of the war
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where Germany won
and conquered America.
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That was very,
very interesting show,
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but no, 80% of
Lutherans in Germany
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supported the Nazi regime.
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I'm told and your
figures would probably be
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more accurate than mine.
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But I'm told that in Germany
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95% of the
people supported Hitler,
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95% went along with Hitler,
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only a very tiny
minority opposed Hitler.
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I don't know the percentages,
00:18:36.91\00:18:38.68
but the vast
majority of Roman Catholics,
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and Lutherans,
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and other
Protestants shouted Sieg Heil
00:18:43.22\00:18:46.82
and turned against the Jews.
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This is true.
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The majority of the Lutherans
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who were professed believers
in the Gospel of Christ.
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Why did they do this?
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Why would people do this?
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Hitler promised to
make Germany great again.
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They had gone through
a time of hyperinflation,
00:19:06.57\00:19:10.11
and terrible ills.
00:19:10.15\00:19:12.58
They suffered a huge blow
00:19:12.61\00:19:16.08
to the national pride
by losing the World War I.
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Terrible things happen to them.
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And so the promise to
make Germany great again,
00:19:21.02\00:19:24.19
to deal with the decadence
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and restore Germany's greatness
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that had considerable appeal.
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Alan, what is
scary to me is this.
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That here you had
the most educated people
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probably on the
face of the earth.
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They gave us the
great theologians
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and the great philosophers.
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Theologians helped us,
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the philosophers
didn't help the world.
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But Germany had great music,
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great school, great medicine...
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A great Christian civilization.
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Probably,
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if you leave
Great Britain out of it,
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at least in Europe,
00:20:03.37\00:20:04.70
the two greatest powers
were Britain and Germany.
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Okay.
00:20:08.30\00:20:09.64
And some would say
that Germany was ahead
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with the philosophers
and all the rest of it.
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So you have all these people
who are intensely educated,
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they're smart people,
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they're cultured people.
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And they committed the
crime of the millennium,
00:20:27.36\00:20:31.99
you know, the
century of our millennium.
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And they marched teams in
step and they shouted Sieg Heil,
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and they gave the
disgusting salute.
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And they turn their backs
and they left 6 million Jews
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go to the gas
chambers in worst places.
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Well, they
didn't just let, they...
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They did it. They did it.
00:20:51.61\00:20:52.95
They did it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:52.98\00:20:55.32
And I would
suggest to the people
00:20:55.35\00:20:56.89
who are watching this program,
00:20:56.92\00:20:58.39
that one of the biggest problems
00:20:58.42\00:21:00.29
was their ignorance.
00:21:00.32\00:21:03.73
They seem to be ignorant
on what they were doing even.
00:21:03.76\00:21:08.90
And so I think that ignorance
is one of the greatest blights
00:21:08.93\00:21:13.00
in the world.
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And I think we have
00:21:14.40\00:21:15.74
a tremendous
amount of ignorance today
00:21:15.77\00:21:19.81
in the Western
world, including America,
00:21:19.84\00:21:22.21
as far as liberty and freedom,
00:21:22.24\00:21:24.48
and all these
things are concerned.
00:21:24.51\00:21:26.41
The intolerance
that was displayed
00:21:26.45\00:21:29.48
in Germany certainly
00:21:29.52\00:21:30.85
can be chalked up to
a nationalistic fervor.
00:21:30.89\00:21:35.26
Yes, nationalism.
00:21:35.29\00:21:36.76
And nationalism is
certainly a very powerful force
00:21:36.79\00:21:40.93
in America today.
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They sang a hymn,
00:21:42.33\00:21:44.00
they sang the national anthem,
00:21:44.03\00:21:45.47
which was set to
the tune of a hymn,
00:21:45.50\00:21:48.10
it were Germany overall.
00:21:48.14\00:21:51.11
Let me ask you this.
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Your answers, of
course, are completely accurate.
00:21:54.48\00:21:57.61
And they're right,
what you're saying is right.
00:21:57.65\00:22:00.12
And people say, I
don't like hearing this,
00:22:00.15\00:22:02.42
well, then they need
to think through their,
00:22:02.45\00:22:04.82
their thought processes,
00:22:04.85\00:22:06.92
and say, am I
prepared to follow the truth
00:22:06.96\00:22:10.36
that Jesus said,
you'll know the truth,
00:22:10.39\00:22:12.26
and the truth
will make you free.
00:22:12.29\00:22:13.93
So we need to put
aside our preconceived ideas,
00:22:13.96\00:22:16.77
and by the grace of
God, believe in the truth.
00:22:16.80\00:22:20.87
This is a tough one.
00:22:20.90\00:22:22.24
I think the left wing movement,
00:22:22.27\00:22:24.41
the extreme left
wing movement in America,
00:22:24.44\00:22:29.24
I was going to say was a curse.
00:22:29.28\00:22:30.68
And I don't
think it's too strong.
00:22:30.71\00:22:34.05
Intolerance,
00:22:34.08\00:22:35.62
throwing out American values,
00:22:35.65\00:22:37.99
throwing out Christian values,
00:22:38.02\00:22:40.39
persecuting those that
think differently to them.
00:22:40.42\00:22:45.69
But the right-wing,
it seems to this pilgrim,
00:22:45.73\00:22:49.60
the extreme
right-wing in America
00:22:49.63\00:22:52.17
is just as bad as
the extreme left-wing.
00:22:52.20\00:22:57.01
And my question is this.
00:22:57.04\00:22:58.54
Are right-wing Christians today
00:22:58.57\00:23:02.41
the betraying
the Gospel of Christ,
00:23:02.44\00:23:05.71
have they lost
their spiritual authority,
00:23:05.75\00:23:08.85
because of their involvement,
their immersion in politics?
00:23:08.88\00:23:13.52
Let me answer that question
with a reference to Jesus
00:23:13.56\00:23:17.66
final discussion
with the disciples
00:23:17.69\00:23:20.43
before His ascension to heaven.
00:23:20.46\00:23:23.23
They asked Him,
00:23:23.26\00:23:24.77
"Lord, is it this time
00:23:24.80\00:23:26.94
that You will
establish the kingdom?"
00:23:26.97\00:23:29.80
And Jesus understood that
00:23:29.84\00:23:31.17
what they were
really asking was,
00:23:31.21\00:23:32.94
hey, do I get to
sit on your right hand
00:23:32.97\00:23:34.64
and your left hand now?
00:23:34.68\00:23:36.08
And, you know, we're
just dying for power.
00:23:36.11\00:23:39.65
And Jesus said,
00:23:39.68\00:23:42.18
"The authority to
rule belongs to the Father.
00:23:42.22\00:23:46.49
That's not for you." Yeah.
00:23:46.52\00:23:48.89
He said, "But you will receive
a different kind of power,
00:23:48.92\00:23:52.19
said you will receive power
00:23:52.23\00:23:53.83
when the Holy
Spirit comes upon you.
00:23:53.86\00:23:56.00
And you'll be my
witnesses in Judea, Samaria,
00:23:56.03\00:23:58.17
and to the
uttermost parts the world."
00:23:58.20\00:24:00.14
The problem that we have
00:24:00.17\00:24:01.50
in the American
church today, John,
00:24:01.54\00:24:03.37
is that there is the
pursuit of political power,
00:24:03.41\00:24:07.34
in the Greek it's the exousia
00:24:07.38\00:24:09.78
and the
forsaking of the dunamis,
00:24:09.81\00:24:12.21
the dynamite power
of the Holy Spirit.
00:24:12.25\00:24:14.58
Which is the setting up
of the image of the beast?
00:24:14.62\00:24:16.85
Right.
00:24:16.89\00:24:18.22
The church is not to
pursue spiritual goals
00:24:18.25\00:24:22.02
through seeking political power.
00:24:22.06\00:24:23.93
That's a
formula for persecution.
00:24:23.96\00:24:26.09
It cannot end well.
00:24:26.13\00:24:27.90
But we've got
very, very bad memories.
00:24:27.93\00:24:30.80
And we don't
remember the Dark Ages
00:24:30.83\00:24:32.93
or any of those things.
00:24:32.97\00:24:34.97
It is my personal belief
00:24:35.00\00:24:37.81
that a minister of the gospel
needs to stay out of politics
00:24:37.84\00:24:40.91
and preach the Gospel of Christ.
00:24:40.94\00:24:44.35
Countries are turned upwards
00:24:44.38\00:24:47.12
when they're turned towards God.
00:24:47.15\00:24:50.89
We don't accomplish a great deal
00:24:50.92\00:24:53.42
by trying to enforce morality
00:24:53.46\00:24:56.46
through laws and legislation.
00:24:56.49\00:24:59.39
Let me ask you this
00:24:59.43\00:25:00.76
because we're coming to
a close of this program.
00:25:00.80\00:25:03.77
And I am glad
that you've joined us
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and it's been a privilege
for you to have with us.
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If you were to have,
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and you're going to have it.
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If you're going to
have a final word of advice
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to Christians today,
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what would you say to them?
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I would say,
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seek the power
of the Holy Spirit,
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not the power of government,
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and learn the lesson
of Jesus judgment parable
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in Matthew 25,
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to see in the least of
these my brothers and sisters,
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to see Jesus.
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To learn to see
Jesus instead of demonizing
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and make and
seeing people as enemies,
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see them as Jesus.
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And, of course,
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that is the Christian viewpoint.
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That is the biblical viewpoint.
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And it's mine too.
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And I thank you so much, Alan.
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It's been my privilege and honor
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to have you with us
today at the Carter Report.
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And it's been our privilege
to have you join us today.
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Please write to me,
John Carter, P.O. Box 1900,
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Thousand Oaks, California 91358.
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In Australia, write
to me at the address
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at Terrigal,
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now appearing on the screen.
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Alan, thank you so much.
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Thank you, John,
it's always a pleasure.
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God bless you,
Alan. God bless you too.
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And God bless you to my friend
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and goodbye for now.
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There's only one thing that
really counts in this lifetime,
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your relationship to Christ.
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And then if you have a
right relationship with Christ,
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you want to tell
people about Christ.
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That's why Jesus
said, "Go into all the world
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and preach the
gospel to every creature."
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By the grace of God,
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we're going to do
that, we are doing that.
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That is why we're
going back to Cuba,
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to this communist land,
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to preach Christ.
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We're accepting an
invitation to go to the vast,
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huge city of Manila,
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the capital of the Philippines.
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Been there before,
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but by the grace of
God, we're going back.
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Please support us.
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And please stand with us
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in the preaching of
the everlasting gospel.
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You say, "How do you do it?
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Who pays the bills?"
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We do.
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"Do you get any help,
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financial help from the church?"
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No, my friend, we don't.
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But we get a lot of help
from God and from His children.
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Please support us
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in the preaching of
the everlasting gospel.
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It's the most
important work in all the world.
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Everything else
is almost trivia.
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So would you please write to me?
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John Carter, P.O. Box 1900,
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Thousand Oaks, California 91358.
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Do your best for Jesus.
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Do your best for the gospel.
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And in Australia,
write to me at Terrigal.
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And we promise you this,
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every dime, every
dollar is going to be used
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to win souls to
our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Please write to me today.
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Thank you and God bless you.
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For a copy of today's program,
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