I'm John Carter in Moscow.
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Right here in Communist China.
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From El Salvador.
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I'm John Carter
in Sydney, Australia.
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John Carter explores,
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Our Liberties Threatened.
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Welcome back to
the Carter Report.
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Our guest today is
Attorney Alan Reinach.
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And we're talking
about religious liberty
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threatened here in the
United States of America.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Alan, it's our
privilege and our pleasure
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to have you with us today.
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Now, you were
talking in our last segment
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about the mark of the beast,
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which is a big
threat in the last days.
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Correct.
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Can I just give you
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and the audience
a little scenario?
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It's believed by
most evangelicals
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that the great time of
trouble or the Great Tribulation
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happens after the rapture.
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All the saints go home to glory.
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How convenient.
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I mean...
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Missed all the fireworks.
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I mean,
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it's extremely comforting.
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I can't go along with it
though because I can show texts
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in the Bible in Matthew 24,
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where Jesus talks
about this Great Tribulation,
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then He says,
"After the tribulation
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of those days, the
sun's going to be darkened,
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and the moon is not
going to give us light,
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the stars are going
to fall from heaven,
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then Jesus is going to come."
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And so I believe
that there's great time
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of persecution
is going to happen
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before the return of Christ.
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So, you know, John, many times
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those of us who work
in religious liberty,
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we've been asked,
"Why are we working
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for religious liberty
when we know persecution
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has to come before Jesus comes?"
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Yes.
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"And after all, don't
we want Jesus to come?"
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Yes.
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One of my
colleagues, used to be,
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who's from Switzerland,
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he used to be
fond of telling people,
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"You know, brother, dear sister,
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if you want the persecution
to come before Jesus returns,
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there are many fine
countries I can recommend
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to you right now.
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You can have all the
persecution you want."
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Most of us
don't know about this.
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So we're here in America,
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and we're really far removed
from the fact that literally,
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literally 80% of the
global population lives
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in nations with little
or no religious freedom.
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There is persecution
of religious minorities,
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Christians, Muslims, others
in most countries of the world.
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Name some of them.
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Well, some of
the worst offenders,
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you know, for
example, North Korea.
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And Saudi Arabia.
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The all across the Arab world.
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No synagogues in Saudi Arabia.
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Saudi Arabia is a big offender
but throughout Pakistan,
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you know, we just got the word
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the Christian lady Asia
Bibi was released after years
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of being
imprisoned for falsely accused
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of blasphemy
against the Prophet.
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Blasphemy laws
are a big problem.
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In China, there's a
re-education campaign,
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complete with camps for
one million weaker Muslims
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in China.
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A million of them?
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And, yes, that's
what the reports are.
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And, you know,
Chinese Christians
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are being persecuted as well.
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So I mean, talk
about the big offenders.
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We could go on and on.
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Now, I've been to
Russia 49 times and in Ukraine,
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run lots of campaigns around.
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You don't want to
be a Jehovah's Witness
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in Russia right now.
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Tell us about the
Jehovah Witnesses in Russia?
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Well, they were
literally outlawed
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as an organization.
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Recent reports, they're starting
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to be arrested now.
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They're
viciously persecuted. Yes.
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All of their
churches or their buildings,
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their kingdom
halls illegally seized.
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And many of their
leaders thrown into prison
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because they're
Jehovah Witnesses.
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Do you believe in the
teachings of Jehovah Witnesses?
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I'm not a Jehovah Witness,
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I believe in their
right to have their beliefs.
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Absolutely.
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And the right to
promote their beliefs,
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I don't have to agree with them.
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Absolutely.
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But in Russia, unfortunately,
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today we see a tendency
with Russia is going back
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to the bad old days
of the Soviet Union.
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Well, you know, forgive me
but President Trump's buddy,
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Mr. Putin there, he
is a former KGB Chief.
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Yes, he is.
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You know, what do you expect?
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I know, what do you expect?
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Let me read you
this passage, Alan.
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Out of the Apocalypse
as you said rightly so,
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written by a Jewish gentleman.
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Yes, indeed.
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So now let me read
you something here.
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In Revelation 13, you
have a symbolic portrayal
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of two beasts,
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or two latter-day world powers.
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The first one we won't go
into but the second one says,
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"Then I saw another beast
coming up out of the earth,
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he had two horns like a
lamb, spoke like a dragon."
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This is a power
that comes up very nice,
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like a lamb that ends
up speaking like a dragon.
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This is not preached
on too much today, Alan,
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because it's too controversial.
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Then it goes on to say,
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"And he
exercises all the authority
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of the first
beast in his presence."
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The first beast was a
union of church and state.
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Yes, it was.
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And a persecuting power.
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Indeed.
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"Causes the earth
and those who dwell
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in it to
worship the first beast,
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whose deadly wound was healed.
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He performs great signs,
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so that even makes
fire come down from heaven
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on the earth, in
the sight of men."
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Then it goes on to say this,
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"And he deceives
those who dwell on the earth
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by those signs
which he was granted to do
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in the sight of the beast,
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telling those who
dwell on the earth."
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Here it is, and
listen to this, my friend,
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"To make an image to the beast,
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and image to the beast,
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who was wounded by
the sword and lived."
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Now if I say to you, Alan,
as I said in the first segment,
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your son or your daughter, hey,
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just the image of you, Alan.
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Spitting image.
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What does it mean?
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Means he looks just like me.
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And acts like you,
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that's a scary
thought, isn't it?
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It is.
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Listen, one of
me is quite enough,
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and one of you too
for that matter, John.
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This is why you and I
get on so well together.
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Yeah.
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So the image of the
beast is the copy...
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The image of the beast
is the copy of the beast.
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And the beast was a
union of church and state.
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Well, the beast
exercised all the authority
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of both civil and
religious authority.
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And now the second beast
will also become a mirror image
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of the first one by exercising
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not just
secular civil authority,
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like all nations do,
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but religious authority as well.
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Now, some of us believe
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who've been
studying these prophecies...
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I've been
studying these prophecies,
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dare I tell you, for 60 years.
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Now you could never
guess that, I know that, Alan,
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but I've been
studying these prophecies
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for a lifetime.
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And we believe that
this scenario is going
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to happen right here
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in the United States of America,
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the bastion of freedom.
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What was the genius
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of the first
amendment, attorney?
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Well, I think it's
portrayed symbolically here
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in this passage where it
talks about having two horns
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like a lamb.
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The lamb in
scripture is a symbol of Jesus.
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Yes. And mild, innocent.
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And horns are a symbol of power.
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So the symbolism
of the United States
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coming up as a nation
with two horns like a lamb
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is we have in our Constitution,
two types of separation.
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We have neither one
of them is the phrases
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are not used in
the Constitution.
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We don't have a
phrase in the constitution
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that says separation of powers.
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But what the Constitution does
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is divide power among Congress,
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and the Supreme
Court, and the presidency,
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the executive branch,
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so we have three
branches of government.
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We also have a division.
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And it's a great
system, isn't it?
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When it works...
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Yes, it's a great system.
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Democracy is the worst
form of government known to man,
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except for every other one.
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Saint Churchill.
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Well, Churchill's
pretty bright guy,
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even if he was a Brit.
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Yes.
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And, of course, we also
have separation between state,
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and local government,
and federal government.
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Each has their sphere.
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And the genius was preventing
too much accumulation of power.
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Now, we have had what's
known as the imperial presidency
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with too much
accumulation of power under both
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Republican and
Democratic administration, so.
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So there's enough
blame to go around, isn't it?
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It's certainly enough to go.
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But when you talk about
these two horns like a lamb,
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it's not just the
separation of civil authority,
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it's also the
separation of church and state,
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which is not what
the First Amendment says.
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It's what the
First Amendment does.
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Just like the
constitution doesn't say,
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separation of powers
but that's what it does.
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So that's the genius
of America, isn't it?
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It is. Yes.
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But I wanna point
out one more thing,
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this business of
speaking like a dragon.
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Yes.
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Many who read
this casually think,
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"Oh, well, that's
going to be in the future."
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And it certainly will be.
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But the text,
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the tense of this passage,
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in the Greek refers to
action that began in the past,
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it's imperfect, which
means it was never completed,
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it's continuing into the present
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and on into the future.
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So both the principles
of the horns like a lamb
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and the dragon speaking,
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this has been the
tension in our nation's history,
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in our national life,
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the tension
between our aspirations
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towards freedom are,
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the equality of all human beings
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has been largely aspirational.
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And yet, we also have lots
of things we could point to
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that are dragon
like in our history.
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Let me ask you
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what could be called a
controversial question.
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You'd never ask a
controversial question,
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so, got a
character for you, John.
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Not to a controversial attorney.
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Do you see the
image of the beast
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being set up in America today?
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Absolutely.
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You really do? I do.
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Look, I'm not talking...
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And this is sort of a bombshell,
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the image of the
beast because this is the...
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this is one of the last signs
before the coming of Christ.
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And it's a scary thing.
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We understand the image
of the beast to be a nation
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that is exercising both
civil and religious authority.
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Yes. Okay.
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So with the, you know, okay,
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you've seen from
this administration,
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persistent
criticism of the press,
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of our major
newspapers, etcetera...
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Is it dangerous or is it
true? And attacking the media.
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Is it true though?
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Doesn't the press
deserve a lot of this?
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I don't think so.
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You don't think so?
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The press is the fourth estate,
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it is the
institution that is supposed
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to hold elected
officials to fire.
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But you and I know
that the liberal press
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in this country
has done untold damage
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to the Christian course.
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The press is largely reflective
of the views of the far left,
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is that so?
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I would not agree with that.
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No, I'm asking you a question.
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The press is secular.
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Most of the
reporters are unchurched.
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And so they may not be,
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you know,
sympathetic to the church.
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But that doesn't mean
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that they're
attacking the church.
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No, no, but they have,
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in my humble opinion shown a
bias towards liberal courses.
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I think the
press works very hard
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to tell it like it is.
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They should, but
they are as you say
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they're being called what?
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Enemies of the people.
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Is that a new term?
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No, it's not.
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We heard the same thing
during the 1930s in Germany,
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didn't we?
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I did some study on
this last night knowing
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that I'd be
interviewing you, Alan.
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And the term the enemy
of the people even goes back
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to the days of
the French Revolution.
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Not talking so
much about the press,
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but anybody who
was seen as being in...
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With a different
viewpoint to the government.
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And so in the days of
the French Revolution,
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anybody who was
against the government
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was an enemy of the people.
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It was a term that
was used by Hitler,
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and the term that
was used by Stalin,
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and the term that
was used by Lenin.
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It's a little bit bad, isn't it,
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that connotations?
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If I may hear,
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there is a twisting, when,
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you know, in our
Declaration of Independence,
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we talk about...
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Well, in the constitution
we talk about we the people
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in order to form a
more perfect union.
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You know, Lincoln's
phrase government of,
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by and for the people,
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and people having God
given inalienable rights,
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and the role of government
is to respect and to protect
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the rights of the people,
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then identify the
government as the people.
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So that if you are in opposition
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to the government,
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you're opposition to the people.
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That's a complete distortion.
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It is 180 degrees. Yes.
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You know, the
people are supposed to hold
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the government to account.
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Yes, not the
other way around. Right.
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I've just
discovered a statement here.
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I forgot and I had it.
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Lenin said,
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"All leaders of
the Constitutional
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Democratic Party..."
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This was not the same as a
democratic party in America,
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I should point to that. Yes.
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"All leaders of
the Constitutional
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Democratic Party,
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a party filled with
enemies of the people,
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are hereby to be
considered outlaws."
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So the very term
is an obnoxious term,
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is it not?
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And it's a dangerous term.
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And what the people did
there, Stalin did and Lenin did,
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they imprisoned,
and they executed people
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who were the
enemies of the people.
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They were dissidents.
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They were good people.
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But you were asking me
about the image of the beast.
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Yes.
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And where I was going
with this was to suggest that
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the danger is when
the government starts
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to assume to itself the
right to choose among religions,
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to favor one and
to disfavor others.
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Now, in our country,
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we have decided that we will
disfavor the Islamic religion
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and we will restrict the rights
of people of the Muslim faith
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who want to
come to this country,
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even if they're
married to American citizens.
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And there have
been number of them.
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So that's really
unconstitutional, isn't it?
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Well, the courts are gonna
have to ultimately decide on,
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you know, that.
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But it certainly,
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I mean, we might as
well cut off the head
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of the Statue of Liberty
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or send the whole
thing back to France
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because we've really
changed our whole view
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of what our nation is about,
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instead of being
a nation welcoming
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the oppressed
peoples of the world.
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We're now saying,
"No, we don't want you,
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you're from
toilet bowl countries,
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and you don't
have the same religion
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or the same skin
color that we do.
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Go home."
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Do you think it is
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because of ignorance of
what America stands for?
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Do you think
people have forgotten
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about the Constitution,
the Bill of Rights?
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Do you think they've
forgotten about persecution?
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Because Americans
were born and bred
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in the concept of
freedom of religion
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because America came,
America became America
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to escape the first beast,
the union of church and state.
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There's always been a
tension, John, in our country,
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between the two principles,
the freedom to believe as I do,
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and the freedom
to believe as you do.
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Yes.
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Now, the genius of our country
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is extending freedom to everyone
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to believe
differently from one another,
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but too many Americans...
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Really, the dominant
view of religious liberty
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in this country is simply
the freedom to believe as I do,
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which is to say, "As
long as you agree with me,
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you know, I'll defend
your right to be free.
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But if you disagree with
me, we don't want you here,
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you know, we don't
like your kind around here."
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Now, I want to say
to the great audience,
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who is watching
today, what Alan is saying,
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is old fashioned American
patriotism, in my opinion.
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Thank you.
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I think you're
an American patriot.
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I've been called worse.
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Is it by me? No.
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No, you're an American patriot.
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Do you find
yourself lonely these days?
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Well, of course.
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Of course? Yeah.
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But you belong to a church
that believes in these things
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in the separation
of church and state.
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You belong to a church that says
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that the church ought
to stay out of the state,
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and vice versa.
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Separation of
church and state in America
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is a
fundamentally Protestant idea.
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It was championed by all
of the Protestant churches
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until segregation was
removed by the Supreme Court.
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And all of a sudden,
00:19:15.05\00:19:17.35
separation of church
and state was attacked
00:19:17.39\00:19:20.69
because the churches started
establishing private schools.
00:19:20.72\00:19:25.99
And instead of, you know,
00:19:26.03\00:19:27.40
wanting to deny public
funding to the Catholic schools,
00:19:27.43\00:19:30.93
now, they wanted public
funding for their own schools.
00:19:30.97\00:19:34.27
And that's because they're in,
00:19:34.30\00:19:35.97
they needed to have their own
00:19:36.00\00:19:37.84
segregated
schools to be all white,
00:19:37.87\00:19:40.91
and they wanted
government funds,
00:19:40.94\00:19:42.51
and so they started
attacking the separation
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of church and state.
00:19:45.25\00:19:46.58
It's been a
radical transformation
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of the Protestant ethos,
00:19:48.92\00:19:50.75
so that religious
Christian conservatives today
00:19:50.79\00:19:53.89
have been fed a
steady diet of propaganda
00:19:53.92\00:19:57.96
attacking the
separation of church and state
00:19:57.99\00:20:00.73
for 30 or 40 years.
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This is amazing, isn't it?
00:20:02.13\00:20:03.47
I mean, this is
quite incredible.
00:20:03.50\00:20:05.57
Because when I was a
boy growing up in Australia,
00:20:05.60\00:20:08.37
I was taught
over and over again,
00:20:08.40\00:20:10.54
that America
stood for the separation
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of church and state.
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We did.
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You know,
00:20:15.21\00:20:16.54
and then we had
the Bill of Rights,
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which I memorized
and the First Amendment,
00:20:18.01\00:20:20.92
and let me tell
you something funny.
00:20:20.95\00:20:22.88
I've asked big congregations,
00:20:22.92\00:20:24.95
"Tell me about
the First Amendment?
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Is anybody here can
say the First Amendment?"
00:20:27.16\00:20:31.63
In my congregations,
00:20:31.66\00:20:33.23
I couldn't find a single person.
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High school students
that have already had
00:20:35.70\00:20:38.73
some kind of government class,
00:20:38.77\00:20:40.90
they could tell
me all the members
00:20:40.94\00:20:42.40
of The Simpsons family
from the cartoon show on TV,
00:20:42.44\00:20:46.11
but they couldn't tell me
what rights were protected
00:20:46.14\00:20:48.64
under the First Amendment.
00:20:48.68\00:20:50.11
And this is the
great tragedy, isn't it?
00:20:50.15\00:20:51.88
It is. It is the
tragedy of ignorance.
00:20:51.91\00:20:55.78
But I'm appealing
today to the audience.
00:20:55.82\00:20:58.89
And I'm appealing to every
person watching the program,
00:20:58.92\00:21:01.82
to stand up for America for
what America used to stand for.
00:21:01.86\00:21:06.59
Our principles that
we have all aspired to,
00:21:06.63\00:21:09.86
principles of
freedom for all are powerful,
00:21:09.90\00:21:13.17
and they've been
a beacon of light
00:21:13.20\00:21:15.30
to the nations of the world.
00:21:15.34\00:21:17.31
Yes. Are they so today?
00:21:17.34\00:21:20.14
Well, it's much more difficult,
00:21:20.18\00:21:22.48
as I've talked to human rights
and religious freedom advocates
00:21:22.51\00:21:26.41
who work overseas.
00:21:26.45\00:21:28.98
When we have in
America first foreign policy,
00:21:29.02\00:21:32.99
and when the rhetoric
coming out of our country
00:21:33.02\00:21:36.29
is attacking other countries,
00:21:36.32\00:21:38.29
attacking
people of other faiths,
00:21:38.33\00:21:40.03
attacking immigrants,
00:21:40.06\00:21:41.96
you know, it's
simply inconsistent
00:21:42.00\00:21:44.07
with our advocacy of human
rights and religious freedom.
00:21:44.10\00:21:46.97
It undermines our effectiveness.
00:21:47.00\00:21:48.80
I sometimes feel a
very lonely person, Alan,
00:21:48.84\00:21:51.34
because I'm not on the
left, and I'm not on the right.
00:21:51.37\00:21:55.41
I'm accused of being one
or the other, but no, I'm not.
00:21:55.44\00:21:58.71
I'm accused of
all sorts of things.
00:21:58.75\00:22:00.95
I don't belong to
any political party.
00:22:00.98\00:22:02.78
Nor do I.
00:22:02.82\00:22:04.15
And I've been
accused of this, no, you...
00:22:04.19\00:22:05.92
I was accused this weekend,
you've got to take your stand,
00:22:05.95\00:22:09.22
and you've got to
stand with these people.
00:22:09.26\00:22:12.39
I've said, "Well,
I stand with Jesus.
00:22:12.43\00:22:15.56
I'm an independent,
00:22:15.60\00:22:17.77
I plan to staying independent."
00:22:17.80\00:22:20.40
I don't want to
offend you, my dear friend,
00:22:20.44\00:22:23.34
and supporter of
the Carter Report.
00:22:23.37\00:22:25.34
But I've got to
be honest with you,
00:22:25.37\00:22:27.48
I don't want other
people thinking for me.
00:22:27.51\00:22:31.38
I don't want to
belong to a party
00:22:31.41\00:22:33.21
then I'm forced
into this little groove.
00:22:33.25\00:22:35.95
And they tell you
what to think and how to...
00:22:35.98\00:22:38.09
I reserve the
right to sing for myself,
00:22:38.12\00:22:42.89
and to follow Christ,
and not in that order.
00:22:42.92\00:22:46.33
And to follow
Christ, and Jesus said,
00:22:46.36\00:22:48.23
didn't He say, "You
will know the truth."
00:22:48.26\00:22:50.70
"And the truth
shall set you free."
00:22:50.73\00:22:52.30
Yeah, a lot of
people today are not free.
00:22:52.33\00:22:54.50
Lot of people are tied up,
00:22:54.54\00:22:55.90
and they can't
think for themselves,
00:22:55.94\00:22:57.94
and they're simply thinking
other people's thoughts,
00:22:57.97\00:23:01.28
and they're getting brainwashed.
00:23:01.31\00:23:03.68
And this is what concerns me.
00:23:03.71\00:23:06.48
Now it says here,
00:23:06.51\00:23:09.28
"He was granted
power to give breath
00:23:09.32\00:23:11.42
to the image of the beast..."
00:23:11.45\00:23:12.79
It's the copy of
church and state.
00:23:12.82\00:23:16.09
"That the image of the
beast should both speak
00:23:16.12\00:23:18.46
and cause as many as
would not" listening,
00:23:18.49\00:23:21.73
"would not worship
00:23:21.76\00:23:23.53
the image of the
beast to be killed."
00:23:23.57\00:23:26.13
It says intolerance is going
to become so strong in America
00:23:26.17\00:23:30.51
that people are
going to be put to death
00:23:30.54\00:23:32.41
over the issue of the separation
00:23:32.44\00:23:34.44
of church and state,
00:23:34.48\00:23:35.91
and to whom is your allegiance?
00:23:35.94\00:23:38.21
Those who belong to God,
who received the seal of God...
00:23:38.25\00:23:41.75
Yes.
00:23:41.78\00:23:43.12
And who do not
worship the beast,
00:23:43.15\00:23:45.49
who are not in
allegiance to the nation,
00:23:45.52\00:23:49.49
they're the ones who
are going to be on the outs.
00:23:49.52\00:23:51.49
It says here, absolutely, Alan.
00:23:51.53\00:23:53.86
It says, "He causes
all, both small and great,
00:23:53.90\00:23:56.26
rich and poor, free and
slave, to receive a mark
00:23:56.30\00:24:00.74
on their right hand
or on the foreheads,
00:24:00.77\00:24:03.47
and that no one may
buy or sell except one
00:24:03.51\00:24:05.87
who has the mark of the beast."
00:24:05.91\00:24:09.01
So they're going to be a
very big group of people,
00:24:09.04\00:24:12.31
aren't they?
00:24:12.35\00:24:13.68
Because they conformists,
they go along with the crowd,
00:24:13.72\00:24:17.32
they go along, to get along.
00:24:17.35\00:24:20.52
Now, Alan, we're
running out of time
00:24:20.56\00:24:23.53
and this has
been a great program.
00:24:23.56\00:24:25.29
What you've said is,
I think is tremendous.
00:24:25.33\00:24:28.03
And I urge the viewers
00:24:28.06\00:24:31.17
to think about what
you've heard here today,
00:24:31.20\00:24:32.87
and to think for yourself.
00:24:32.90\00:24:36.04
Don't be a slave to any system.
00:24:36.07\00:24:39.64
Please write to me, John Carter,
00:24:39.67\00:24:41.18
P.O. Box 1900,
Thousand Oaks, California 91358.
00:24:41.21\00:24:46.18
In Australia,
you can write to me
00:24:46.21\00:24:47.92
at the address on the screen
at Terrigal in New South Wales.
00:24:47.95\00:24:53.42
Write to me.
00:24:53.46\00:24:54.79
And this is a limited time offer
00:24:54.82\00:24:57.33
because we
can't do this forever.
00:24:57.36\00:25:00.80
If you write today,
00:25:00.83\00:25:02.16
and if you support the
great cause of freedom,
00:25:02.20\00:25:04.73
we'll send you a
copy of this talk,
00:25:04.77\00:25:06.77
we'll send you the DVD.
00:25:06.80\00:25:08.37
Alan, have the final word?
00:25:08.40\00:25:10.14
I just think it's
really important that
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we find our hope
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and our faith in
Christ and not put...
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I think the message of
Revelation is to fear God,
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to reverence God...
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Give glory to Him, yeah.
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Because it's going
to be Judgment Day.
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And ultimately,
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are we putting our trust in God?
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Or are we relying on the
powers that be on the state?
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That's really where
the rubber meets the road.
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And I found I'm not
quite as old as you are, John,
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but in my several
decades of walking with Christ,
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we've been through the fire
and He's always sustained me.
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Alan, it's been a great honor
00:25:51.85\00:25:53.72
and a privilege to
have you with us today
00:25:53.75\00:25:55.52
because you're
the voice for freedom.
00:25:55.55\00:25:58.69
It's been a privilege
having you with us today.
00:25:58.72\00:26:01.76
And remember
what the Bible says,
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"You shall worship
the Lord, your God,
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and Him only shall you serve."
00:26:07.10\00:26:10.33
God bless you.
00:26:10.37\00:26:11.70
Greater Manila is
more than 20 million souls.
00:26:16.57\00:26:19.97
Almost all these
beautiful people are ignorant
00:26:20.01\00:26:22.61
of the true gospel of Christ.
00:26:22.64\00:26:24.78
Manila needs Jesus.
00:26:24.81\00:26:26.75
Thirty five years ago,
John Carter came to Manila.
00:26:26.78\00:26:30.35
Pastor Carter is
returning to Manila
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with an urgent assignment,
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preach the gospel of Christ
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and the great
truths of the Bible.
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Don't water down the message.
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Make it plain, make it
clear, make it Christ centered.
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The Carter Report
needs your help now
00:26:44.30\00:26:47.27
to light a fire
in the Philippines.
00:26:47.30\00:26:49.47
Your gift will help
open the doors of bondage,
00:26:49.50\00:26:52.31
smash the chains of sin,
00:26:52.34\00:26:54.31
and open the gates of paradise
to thousands of lost souls.
00:26:54.34\00:26:58.35
The churches have
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00:26:58.38\00:27:00.68
for The Carter Report to return.
00:27:00.72\00:27:02.75
Help us proclaim the
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The word began in a village.
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Churches and schools sprang up
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and multiplied
reaching into the city.
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Great truths revealed to
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changing thousands of lives.
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Our eyes are going to be opened
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to the discovery
of amazing truths.
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The greatest truth in the Bible,
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it is the truth
that God loves you.
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It has
completely changed my life,
00:27:50.27\00:27:52.17
and I'm going to be
baptized this Sabbath.
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Pastor Carter has
put something in my heart
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that I will never forget.
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Thank you, Pastor
Carter, for your program,
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it has changed
my life completely.
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