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Reporting from India.
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Hi, I'm John Carter
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From El Salvador.
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I'm John Carter
in Sydney, Australia
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John Carter explores
Our Liberties Threatened.
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Hello, friend. I'm John Carter.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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When I got out
of bed this morning,
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I opened up my Bible
to the little apocalypse.
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That's Matthew Chapter 24.
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This is a great
prophecy about the end times.
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It describes our day,
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and it says that in
our times and in our day,
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our freedoms are
going to be challenged.
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In fact, our freedoms
are going to be taken away.
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For this reason,
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I've invited
today an old friend,
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Attorney Alan Reinach.
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Alan comes from the
great city of New York.
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Alan is a Jewish
gentleman who believes in Jesus.
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And who believes
that we're living
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in the last days.
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Alan is the Executive
Director and General Counsel
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of the Church State Council.
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He's got some
amazing responsibilities.
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He is a fighter for freedom.
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He has many lawsuits.
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He's defending
the rights of people,
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whose freedom has
been taken away from them`
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here in the
United States of America.
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Today, we welcome you,
Alan, to the Carter Report.
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And we are so glad
that you have joined us,
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especially also my friend.
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Greater Manila is
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Almost all
these beautiful people
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are ignorant of the
true gospel of Christ.
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Manila needs Jesus.
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Thirty five years ago,
John Carter came to Manila.
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Pastor Carter is
returning to Manila
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with an urgent assignment,
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and the great
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Hello, friend, I'm John Carter.
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Welcome again to
the Carter Report.
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Here in The Carter Report Studio
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in beautiful Southern California
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is Alan Reinach,
esquire, attorney,
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a great defender of
the rights of individuals
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as far as freedom is concerned.
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Alan, welcome today.
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It's a delight to
be with you, John.
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You've been with us before?
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I have. And...
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I'm a glutton for
punishment, I'm back.
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We're glad to have you.
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Let me ask you this question.
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You're an attorney.
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You specialize in freedom,
religious liberty issues.
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Is America today
in a dangerous place?
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Yes, we are.
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The culture wars
have been a huge threat
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to all of our freedoms.
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And the threat is sadly
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from both the
left and the right.
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Each side wanting
supremacy in the culture wars
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is willing to go to
great lengths to win
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and to take away the
freedoms of the other.
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You're a student
of the Holy Scriptures
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because of your
Jewish Christian background.
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You know about the Pharisees
and the Sadducees, don't you?
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Yes.
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Well, they could
agree on very little except
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the need to crucify Christ.
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Yeah, the left
wing, extreme left
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and the extreme right,
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they could agree in
very little in theology,
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as you say, except
to crucify the Messiah.
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Do you see a
parallel in our times?
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The spirit of intolerance
is I think the unifying theme.
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It's been very obvious
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and, you know from right
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in terms of intolerance
of Muslims for example
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of immigrants from the left,
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there's similarly
intolerance against Christians.
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There is indeed.
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Yeah. Yes.
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So, you know, if
there's something
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that both sides
have in common, it's...
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You know, the spirit
of intolerance which is,
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you know, let's put our
cards on the table, John.
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You know, Jesus
is a spirit of love,
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He died to save everyone.
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The spirit of
hate and intolerance
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comes from somewhere
else, from the enemy.
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I've had the
privilege of being attacked
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from left and right.
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You were, I'm in
good company then, John.
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That's a good place to be
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'cause it shows that
you're in the middle.
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But I've discovered
that people from the far left
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are tremendously intolerant,
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they want freedom for themselves
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and freedom of
speech for themselves,
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not for you, not for me.
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So it's a my way
or the highway ethos.
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Yes. Right?
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If you're, you know, an advocate
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for lesbian and gay rights,
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then if you don't
agree with them...
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Yes.
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You know, they want
to trample on your right.
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Then take away
your freedom of speech.
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But if you're a
conservative Christian,
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you're just as happy
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to take away the
rights of lesbians and gays.
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So you think that the,
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the far right in
America and around the world
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is also like the far left,
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a threat to our
liberties and freedoms?
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Look, John, let me give
you the big picture here.
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The genius of America is a place
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where people of
all different beliefs
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can live together in peace.
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What about Muslims?
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Our founding fathers and
religious liberty advocates
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of that generation
specifically included Jews,
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Catholics, Muslim saying,
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America is a land of
freedom for everyone,
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not just for Christians.
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So it would
appear to this pilgrim
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that a lot of folks
have forgotten that?
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Or never knew it.
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You know, I tell my kids,
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I forgot more
than you ever learned.
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I'm sure they,
they're impressed by that.
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Yeah, right.
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So let me ask you this,
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because this is
where you specialize.
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What's so wrong
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with the union
of church and state?
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When I first came to America,
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I was in the
great state of Texas
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that I love with all my heart.
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I love Texas.
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And my neighbor said to me,
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"It's going to be great
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when Jesus is the
president of America.
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When Jesus is the
Lord over America."
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What's so bad about that?
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You know, Judas wanted
to make Jesus King too,
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but he would not have
the earthly throne, would He?
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Look, when church
and state come together,
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it is the historic formula
for oppression and persecution.
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Because those who believe
they are ruling in God's name
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and doing God's
will feel justified
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in doing things that,
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if they didn't have
religious justification,
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they would blush,
they would be ashamed of.
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I've got a theology, Alan,
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that you may share or
else you may not share.
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I believe that
before the Second Coming,
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it's called the
rapture by evangelicals
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in North America,
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even though the term
rapture is nowhere found
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in the scriptures,
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but not to
argue over that point.
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I believe that
before the rapture
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or the Second Coming,
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there comes a tremendous
time of religious intolerance...
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Indeed. And persecution.
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Indeed.
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Do you think the stage
is being set for this...
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this scenario?
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Absolutely, it is being set.
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And, you know, Christians,
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I think are blind to the role
that they are playing in this.
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You know, you
started this discussion,
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alluding to Jesus'
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great teaching in
Matthew 24 about the end time.
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The little
Apocalypse, it's called.
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Yeah.
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Now, Jesus did not
warn us about deceptions
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that would be Muslim, or Hindu.
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He didn't warn
us about deceptions
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in the name of Buddha.
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He said many
will come in my name
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and deceive many.
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Even the very elect,
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He warned would be
susceptible to deception.
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Yes.
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So the final round of
intolerance and persecution
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before the return of
Christ is done in Jesus' name.
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Christians are sucked in.
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And what we have today
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essentially is
the religious right
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Christian in name,
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pursuing political
power as a substitute
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for the lack of spiritual power.
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This is pretty hot stuff really,
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if we follow this
through the logical conclusions.
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Alan, I want to read you a text
that's found in the apocalypse,
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the big apocalypse.
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And that's in
Revelation Chapter 17,
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if I may.
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And then I want
you to comment on it
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because you're a
scholar of the Bible too.
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It says, "Then one
of the seven angels
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who had the seven bowls
came and talked with me,
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saying to me, 'Come,
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I will show you the
judgment of the great whore,
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the great harlot."
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Babylon the Great,
the mother of harlots
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and abominations of the earth.
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In Scripture, the
harlot is the harlot church.
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It is.
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A woman represents the church.
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A good woman is the good church,
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a bad woman is the bad church.
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And she's pictured
here atop the beast.
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It says, "With whom
the kings of the earth
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committed fornication..."
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Exactly. What does that mean?
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"And the
inhabitants of the earth
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were made drunk with the
wine of her fornication."
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So, regardless of
what any nation's laws
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or values may be
about the relationship
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between church and state,
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the Bible here
very clearly says,
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using the
symbolism of fornication
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that the intimate relationship
between church and state...
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An unholy alliance. Is immoral.
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Yes.
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Okay, fornication is an intimacy
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that is forbidden.
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Yes. Right?
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It's an immoral intimacy. Yes.
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And what the
Bible is describing here
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in the last days is
church and state are too cozy.
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When it says
here that the woman is
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seated upon the beast,
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it means that the church
is seated upon the state.
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Is this true?
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You know, it
certainly seems like
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the one who's on top is
the one holding the reigns
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and calling the shots.
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That's what the
imagery suggests to me.
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And let me read on.
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"So he carried me
away in the Spirit
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into the wilderness.
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And I saw a woman
sitting on a scarlet beast
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which was full of
names of blasphemy,
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having seven
heads and ten horns."
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So every Bible commentator,
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Alan, says that the
woman in Bible prophecy
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is the church.
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Right.
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And the apostate woman
is the apostate church,
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Christians
who've lost their way.
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And then it goes on to say,
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"The woman was arrayed
in purple and scarlet..."
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But if I may
interject here, John...
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Yes. Yes.
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There's plenty of theological,
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you know, debate
and differences of views
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among the various denominations.
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That's not what this
prophecy is addressing.
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No.
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You know, if I may,
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in the system that leads
to the mark of the beast.
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The mark in the
forehead and the hand
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is a sign of
belonging to the beast
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which is an earthly...
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What it is, is,
instead of having our faith
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and trust and allegiance
to the Creator God in heaven,
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to Jesus Christ,
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the church has put
its trust in princes,
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it has put its allegiance...
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Yes, in the state.
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It now belongs,
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you know, it
belongs to the beast
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instead of belonging to God.
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So it's not so much,
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you know, there may be
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doctrinal confusion
and doctrinal issues.
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But primarily it's
really talking about,
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you know, who are we
putting our trust in?
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Totally, yes.
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Now there's something
else here I've just noticed,
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it says, "And the
inhabitants of the earth
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were made drunk with the
wine of her fornication."
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Now, a drunk person is bit
of a crazy person, isn't he?
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He can't think straight.
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When we think of
people being intoxicated,
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we think of it,
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you know, like
getting high, being happy,
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you know, they're
excited about this alliance
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between church and state.
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But they can't think straight.
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You know, it's
like, you know, fans,
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you know, when your team
scores a touchdown or whatever,
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you know, you get
all excited and cheering
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and you know, that's to me,
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that's the image
everybody's like cheering on.
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Yes.
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Just like, forgive me
for jumping the gun here.
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But the church in
Germany was thrilled
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that Hitler was
restoring national greatness,
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and they were intoxicated
with the revival of the nation.
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Tell me about this,
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because not
everybody knows about this.
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It seems to me that
we have either forgotten
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or else we never knew.
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What happened in Germany?
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You've alluded to it, tell us?
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Well, you know,
holocaust scholars tell us
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that 80%, fully 80%
of the Lutheran Church,
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which was the
dominant church in Germany
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were very strongly
supportive of the Nazi Party,
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and supported the
gradual ostracizing
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and elimination of
the Jewish community.
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And any dissident...
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Right.
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And not only the Lutherans,
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Alan, but the
Roman Catholic Church.
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Well, indeed.
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And some said, I
think you're being very kind
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when you say 80%.
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Some would say that
95% of the German people,
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Lutherans and
Catholics got behind the Fuhrer,
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it's hard to believe, isn't it?
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He certainly had
very strong support,
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you know...
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From the Christians.
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He campaigned on a program
of being against decadence.
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Yes, that's good, that's good.
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And Berlin in the 1920s
was a very decadent place.
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Yes.
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And, you know,
he was vegetarian.
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He would give the
right religious language,
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you know saying nice
things about the church
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and people ate it up.
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And one must bear in mind,
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and you won't misunderstand this
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and neither will my audience,
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because they know
what I believe on this.
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Hitler had a point
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in that he wanted to
restore Germany's fortunes.
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Hitler had been given, you know,
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a terrible deal
after the First World War.
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Germany you mean? Yes, yes.
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And well, Hitler fought in there
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and Hitler had been
given a bad deal too,
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he was a little
corporal back there.
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But Germany was treated
very badly by the Isles,
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by Britain, and France,
and United States of America.
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Well, they did
lose the war after all.
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Yeah, they did lose the war
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and we believe
that they started it.
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Their economy was in shambles.
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They were
driven into the ground.
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There was macro inflation.
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Yes. Hyperinflation.
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I mean up to on a
million percent or something.
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Go to the store
to buy some groceries
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with the
wheelbarrow full of bills.
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Yes, yes. Literally.
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And if you did
it in the morning,
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it was better
than the afternoon.
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Because in the afternoon,
you needed two wheelbarrows.
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Two wheelbarrows, yes.
00:17:13.29\00:17:14.63
And so Hitler wanted to make...
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Restore the glory,
the legitimate glory...
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Of the nation.
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Of Germany, the nation. Sure.
00:17:22.50\00:17:24.11
And so he was
saying some nice things
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about the church,
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and he was against decadence.
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And the Christians, you say 80%,
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I say 95% of the
Catholics and the Lutherans.
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And the Protestants, yeah.
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And not only the Lutherans,
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all of the
Protestants got behind him,
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and shouted Sieg Heil.
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They put their
trust in princess.
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Yes.
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Well, the
Psalms and other places
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the Bible's so clear.
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And I think the
message of Revelation which,
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remember is a Jewish
book picks up on those...
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Of course, it is. It
picks up on those themes.
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Say that again, how do you know
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it's a Jewish book?
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Well, the writer
of it was Jewish.
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And, but, of
course, Jesus wasn't Jewish.
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And the language
and imagery of it
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is all filled with allusions to
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and quotes from
the Jewish Bible.
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It's all the Old
Testament. Right.
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The Book of Revelation is
based on the Old Testament.
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So these messages of
Revelation 13, 14 the whole,
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mark of the beast passage.
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Let me before
you get on to this,
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but what was Jesus Jewish?
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Yeah, He was.
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You're sure about that.
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Yes.
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Well, this is what I
tell my family, you know,
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how can you give me a
hard time for being a Christian
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when I'm believing
in a Jewish Messiah?
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Yes. You know.
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Now you're a Jewish
gentleman who believes in Jesus.
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I've been called
worse than gentlemen
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but thank you, John.
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and we're being
nice here today, Alan.
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And you come from New York?
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I do.
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A Jewish attorney from New York.
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Yes.
00:18:53.93\00:18:55.26
What are you
doing on my program?
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You invited me.
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Of course.
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What were you thinking, John?
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We have a Jewish heritage.
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Our Lord was Jewish.
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All of the apostles were Jewish.
00:19:05.87\00:19:08.24
The Ten Commandments are Jewish.
00:19:08.28\00:19:11.21
The Book of
Revelation is Jewish.
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All the New Testament except
for Luke was written by Jewish.
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Yes, indeed.
00:19:15.85\00:19:17.49
Luke and Acts.
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And so now you're talking
about the mark of the beast.
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Let me ask you this.
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Not only are you an attorney,
00:19:27.36\00:19:31.07
but you have a special burden
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in your soul
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to defend
religious liberty rights
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and also
00:19:42.74\00:19:44.38
the rights of
people not to worship.
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That's been my calling, yes.
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And you defend Mormon.
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We defend people of all faith.
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And Jehovah Witnesses,
00:19:54.56\00:19:56.56
but you wouldn't
defend Muslims, would you?
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I have some Muslims clients.
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You have some
Muslim clients? I do.
00:20:01.20\00:20:03.57
Yes, of course, that's
the Christian viewpoint,
00:20:03.60\00:20:05.20
isn't it, to defend the weak?
00:20:05.23\00:20:08.00
That is the
ultimate Christian viewpoint.
00:20:08.04\00:20:10.61
That's what Jesus would do.
00:20:10.64\00:20:11.97
We practice the
golden rule, John.
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Of course.
00:20:13.64\00:20:14.98
You know,
00:20:15.01\00:20:16.34
we believe that everyone
has the freedom of conscience.
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Yes.
00:20:18.95\00:20:20.28
And, you know, well,
00:20:20.32\00:20:22.08
if someone suffered
religious discrimination,
00:20:22.12\00:20:24.82
we will represent them.
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Yes, let me ask you this,
00:20:27.09\00:20:29.19
because I don't want to
throw this away too quickly.
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Did Hitler seem to be
the savior of his people
00:20:34.80\00:20:38.90
and of the Christian church?
00:20:38.93\00:20:40.84
He was regarded as such.
00:20:40.87\00:20:43.97
Now, as you know,
00:20:44.01\00:20:45.91
because of your
Jewish background,
00:20:45.94\00:20:48.04
Hitler was totally
opposed to socialism.
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True.
00:20:54.92\00:20:56.25
I'm opposed to socialism.
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Okay, that
doesn't make you a Nazi?
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No, no.
00:21:01.02\00:21:02.96
Thank you, Alan,
you're getting back at me now.
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Hitler saw the
evils of communism,
00:21:07.40\00:21:11.63
socialism, Marxism
00:21:11.67\00:21:14.04
as a tremendous threat
00:21:14.07\00:21:17.81
to the Christian heritage.
00:21:17.84\00:21:19.37
And that's why he
hated Russia so much.
00:21:19.41\00:21:22.24
Now, I've been to
Russia and Ukraine 49 times.
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I know socialism.
00:21:25.85\00:21:27.25
I know communism,
00:21:27.28\00:21:28.68
philosophically
and theologically,
00:21:28.72\00:21:30.82
I am opposed to socialism,
00:21:30.85\00:21:33.36
and communism,
all of those things.
00:21:33.39\00:21:35.79
Now, Hitler was opposed
to socialism and communism.
00:21:35.82\00:21:40.30
And because
there were a few Jews
00:21:40.33\00:21:42.73
who were in favor of socialism
00:21:42.76\00:21:45.80
and for other reasons,
00:21:45.83\00:21:47.24
he became opposed to the Jews.
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I'm not sure that's why
he scapegoated the Jews.
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I think it goes a
lot deeper than that.
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Tell me more.
00:21:55.18\00:21:56.51
He was envious?
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You know,
00:21:58.48\00:22:01.28
authority, the authoritarian
00:22:01.32\00:22:04.65
impulse needs to have an enemy.
00:22:04.69\00:22:07.76
Yes, it does, a scapegoat.
00:22:07.79\00:22:10.26
The Jews were the
convenient scapegoat.
00:22:10.29\00:22:12.69
Yes, we've got to
find some bad guy.
00:22:12.73\00:22:15.46
Who was going to be blamed
00:22:15.50\00:22:17.93
for what happened to Germany.
00:22:17.97\00:22:20.04
Yes. He blamed the Jews.
00:22:20.07\00:22:21.40
Yes.
00:22:21.44\00:22:22.77
And so what Hitler did,
00:22:22.80\00:22:24.87
he picked out these people
00:22:24.91\00:22:26.37
because they became
in their own language,
00:22:26.41\00:22:29.61
a convenient scapegoat.
00:22:29.64\00:22:33.11
And so he persecuted them.
00:22:33.15\00:22:37.12
And he did this
for the good of Germany
00:22:37.15\00:22:39.95
and for the good of the world.
00:22:39.99\00:22:42.39
At least that's how it appeared
in the eyes of some people.
00:22:42.42\00:22:45.89
Now you were
referring a moment ago,
00:22:45.93\00:22:47.70
Alan, to the
prophecy of Revelation 13
00:22:47.73\00:22:51.30
about the mark of the beast.
00:22:51.33\00:22:52.67
Can you tell me more?
00:22:52.70\00:22:54.04
Without getting
into the speculation
00:22:54.07\00:22:56.34
about the literal or symbolic,
00:22:56.37\00:22:59.31
you know, what the
mark is or how its manifest.
00:22:59.34\00:23:04.05
What gentiles
tend to miss is that
00:23:04.08\00:23:09.75
this is a counterfeit
of what the Torah says.
00:23:09.78\00:23:13.56
And the Torah which are
the five books of Mosses.
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Tell me more about this?
00:23:16.83\00:23:18.16
Three times
00:23:18.19\00:23:19.53
God commands the Jewish people
00:23:19.56\00:23:21.93
to put His
teaching in the forehead,
00:23:21.96\00:23:25.33
in the hand, and
the way they did that,
00:23:25.37\00:23:27.47
they call it
phylacteries or little boxes
00:23:27.50\00:23:30.41
that you put
little Torah scroll,
00:23:30.44\00:23:32.34
little scroll
inside of and you wrap it
00:23:32.37\00:23:35.04
around your head
and you pray with it on.
00:23:35.08\00:23:38.21
In Exodus was the
first time, in Exodus 13,
00:23:38.25\00:23:42.15
then in Deuteronomy
6 and Deuteronomy 11.
00:23:42.18\00:23:44.85
So if you want to know
what the mark of the beast
00:23:44.89\00:23:46.52
is a counterfeit of,
00:23:46.55\00:23:48.22
we have to look at,
what was the genuine,
00:23:48.26\00:23:51.09
what was the point of
putting God's instruction
00:23:51.13\00:23:55.56
on the forehead and the hand?
00:23:55.60\00:23:57.83
And the Exodus story is
really the story of the plan
00:23:57.87\00:24:01.94
of salvation of
the gospel itself.
00:24:01.97\00:24:04.27
Deliverance from slavery
in Egypt to the Promised Land.
00:24:04.31\00:24:07.68
It's the whole
shoot and match, really.
00:24:07.71\00:24:10.55
And in Deuteronomy 6, you
have what's known as the Shema,
00:24:10.58\00:24:14.62
it's the central
declaration of Judaism.
00:24:14.65\00:24:17.05
Hear, O Israel,
the Lord is our God,
00:24:17.09\00:24:20.36
the Lord is one.
00:24:20.39\00:24:21.99
And it's a statement,
00:24:22.02\00:24:23.36
and you shall
love the Lord your God
00:24:23.39\00:24:25.33
with all your
heart, soul and strength.
00:24:25.36\00:24:27.36
And these words which
I command you this day,
00:24:27.40\00:24:29.90
you shall teach
them to your children.
00:24:29.93\00:24:32.80
You walk by the
way, and you know,
00:24:32.83\00:24:34.74
rise and fall and bind them
00:24:34.77\00:24:36.97
as a sign on the
doorpost of your house,
00:24:37.01\00:24:39.27
your forehead and your hand.
00:24:39.31\00:24:41.18
So, to counterfeit, the Shema,
00:24:41.21\00:24:44.18
to counterfeit in
the mark of the beast
00:24:44.21\00:24:47.45
is really about,
who do you belong to.
00:24:47.48\00:24:50.72
You know, we're
told, we belong to God,
00:24:50.75\00:24:52.45
we're in relationship to God.
00:24:52.49\00:24:54.59
He's our God, we're His people,
00:24:54.62\00:24:56.69
and we love God and
we put our trust in God.
00:24:56.73\00:25:00.26
The mark of the beast
is all about a counterfeit,
00:25:00.30\00:25:02.76
where we've let go
of putting our faith,
00:25:02.80\00:25:06.37
the church is no longer relying
00:25:06.40\00:25:08.47
on the power of
God and trust in God.
00:25:08.50\00:25:10.91
It's now relying on the beast
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and its
allegiance is in the beast,
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its trust is in the beast.
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That's why it's
the mark of the beast.
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So the mark of the beast
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ultimately is a
denial of the concept
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that we trust in God alone.
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But now we're going
to trust in the state.
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Is this what you're saying?
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It's not so much a
denial of the concept,
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but the reality.
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It's the reality that...
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You know, look, we
can say we believe in God
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and we trust in God, you know,
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but is that how
we live our lives?
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So people who in the last days,
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who are getting
the mark of the beast,
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they'll be spreading
a lot of religious talk?
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Yes.
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They'll be talking,
probably praising Jesus.
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Yes.
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Do you think
they'll be praising Jesus?
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Absolutely, Jesus warned us
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that they will be
doing it in His name.
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Praising Jesus. Yes.
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But they get the
mark of the beast?
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Yes.
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And the mark of the beast
is the mark of the antichrist.
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Well, now you're
bringing in another
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whole concept of antichrist.
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Bearing the number of the mark
of the beast is a bad thing,
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isn't it? Yes, it certainly is.
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Because those who get it
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according to
Revelation 14 will face
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the wrath of God poured
out undiluted, full strength.
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Now, you know, the wrath
of the beast is one thing,
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the wrath of
the state, you know,
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I don't relish the
wrath of the state.
00:26:31.52\00:26:34.52
No, we don't.
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But the wrath of God...
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That's million times worse.
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Undiluted, you know,
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his pinky or His hand...
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Yeah. But full strength.
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The wrath of the Almighty God
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poured out upon
those who violate...
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But this is why I
laugh at the whole notion
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of the battle of Armageddon
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because how do
you fight against God?
00:26:53.48\00:26:55.38
You know, you're gonna
get some nuclear missile,
00:26:55.41\00:26:57.68
rocket launchers
and fight against God.
00:26:57.71\00:27:00.02
I mean, it's absurd.
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Of course, it is.
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Now, in our next segment,
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we're going to
go back a little bit
00:27:05.09\00:27:06.82
to religious intolerance.
00:27:06.86\00:27:10.03
We're going to talk
about that a little more.
00:27:10.06\00:27:11.79
We've started in this segment,
we're going to follow this up
00:27:11.83\00:27:14.93
after we have a break.
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But then I'm going
to read to you, Alan,
00:27:17.03\00:27:19.30
and have your
commentary on Revelation 13,
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that talks...
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Wait for it,
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not just the mark of the beast,
00:27:26.94\00:27:29.24
but the image of the beast.
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If I say to you, your
son is the image of you.
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That means he looks like you.
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So the image of the beast
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is the copy of
the antichrist power
00:27:41.66\00:27:45.13
that is portrayed
in the scriptures.
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When my son would
get frustrated with me,
00:27:47.23\00:27:50.47
I would say, and
he'd call me names,
00:27:50.50\00:27:52.50
I'd say, well,
you know what you are?
00:27:52.53\00:27:54.20
You're the son of...
00:27:54.24\00:27:55.57
You're the image of...
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We'll be back in a few moments.
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We're talking today
to Attorney Alan Reinach,
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and we're talking about
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religious liberty
threatened today in America.
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