I'm John Carter in Moscow.
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And now in Kiev,
the capital of Ukraine.
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I'm John Carter in Petra.
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Reporting from India.
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In Colombia.
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I'm John Carter.
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Today, John Carter talks
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to a world famous astrophysicist
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about scientific
reasons to believe in God.
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It's not just about faith,
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it's about a newly
discovered scientific evidence.
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His name is Dr. Hugh Ross.
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Hello, friend,
this is John Carter.
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Welcome back to
The Carter Report.
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We have a special guest
with us today, Dr. Hugh Ross,
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the President of
Reasons to Believe.
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Dr. Ross is a
first rate scientist.
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He knows all
these wonderful things
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about the universe,
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and why the world is as
it is, and what is more,
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he believes that
there is evidence,
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actual scientific
evidence to believe in God.
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Dr. Ross, we're honored,
sir, to have you with us today,
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and thank you for joining us.
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Yeah, you're welcome.
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We were talking about
what is called by scientists
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the Big Bang.
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That's just a term that they use
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for the moment of creation.
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Did the scientific
world always believe
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in a starting
point for the universe?
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No, it wasn't until 1925
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that the idea that
universe had a beginning
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really became known
within the astronomic community
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and astronomers fought
it for several decades.
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But by the late 1960s,
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the evidence
became overwhelming.
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It really does have a beginning.
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And what's interesting is
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if a fight was for
theological reasons.
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They said if there's a...
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Theological reasons. Right.
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"If there's a beginning,
there's got to be a beginner,
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we don't like that, so let's see
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if we get rid
of this beginning."
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But they couldn't
get rid of the beginning.
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Before I asked you the question
in the previous segment,
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many Christians
hate the word "Big Bang."
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That I think somehow it shows
a relationship to evolution.
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Well, also the term "Big
Bang" was coined by someone
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who hated the
Big Bang, Fred Hoyle.
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Yeah.
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And a lot of people think,
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well, Big Bang means it's
like an exploding grenade.
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That's not it at all.
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The expansion of the universe
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is the most
exquisitely fine-tuned thing
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we can measure,
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and so it's a very
carefully controlled
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expansion of the
universe, cosmic beginning.
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I think another reason
why some Christians don't like
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the term "Big Bang" is that
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it means that the
universe is 14 billion years old
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and they think that might
give enough time for evolution.
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But what's interesting
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about the history
of Big Bang cosmology,
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it was evolutionists that says,
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"We've got to get
rid of this Big Bang,
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it doesn't give us enough time."
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Yes.
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You know, 14 billion years,
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that's only 10
zeros after the one,
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you need way more zeroes
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than that if
you're going to save
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a biological evolutionary model.
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Yeah.
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So the idea of the
universe coming into being,
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say a 14 billion years ago
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is the death knell of evolution.
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It is, but it's also
something that's fine tuned
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for our benefit.
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If we were put here,
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we human beings were put here
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earlier in the
history of the universe
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and 14 billion years
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after the cosmic creation event,
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light from that
event wouldn't have time
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to travel along
the space surface
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and reach our telescopes.
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We wouldn't be able
to see that evidence.
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And if God had
put us here any later,
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dark energy would be speeding
an information away from us
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greater than the
velocity of light.
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We're literally
here at the only time
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where we can see
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the entire
history of the universe.
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So now we're going to try
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to get 10 big
reasons to believe in God.
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We've got one so far.
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We've got more evidence
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than we can push
into this period of time.
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Tell me about the fine-tuning
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of the
expansion of the universe.
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The universe is
expanding, isn't it?
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It is.
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And if you expand universe too
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rapidly from the
cosmic creation event,
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the only elements that
will exist in the universe
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will be hydrogen and
helium or only hydrogen.
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You won't have
the carbon, oxygen,
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or nitrogen you need for life.
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If it expanded too slowly
from the cosmic creation event,
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the first stars convert
all the mass of the universe
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and the elements
heavier than iron.
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And once again,
you're missing the carbon,
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oxygen, and
nitrogen that light needs.
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How fast is it expanding?
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Well, where we can...
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It's expanding a little bit
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less than the velocity of light.
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So it's expanding very rapidly
from the cosmic creation event.
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And that itself
is fine-tuned? It is.
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It has to be
expanding a little slower
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in the past than it is today.
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So you need to
fine-tune the expansion rate
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at different times
throughout cosmic history
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in order to get the
right stars and planets.
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How fine is the tuning
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for the
expansion of the universe?
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Well, the expansion
itself must be fine-tuned
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to one part in 10 to
the 56 power but the...
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Now that means nothing to me.
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Well, it's 56
zeros after the one.
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Say it again. That's
56 zeros after the one.
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One with 56 zeros? Right.
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But the
parameters mainly dark energy
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and the cosmic mass density
that control the expansion,
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there the
fine-tuning is one part
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in 10 to the 122nd power.
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How many atoms in the universe?
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Well, let me give you...
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I think I have
better comparison.
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We can compare the fine-tuning
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of these two
features of the universe
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to get it to expand
it just the right rate
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so light can exist
with the very best example
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of human
engineering inventiveness
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design and creativity,
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which in my opinion is
the gravity wave telescope,
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the legal instrument.
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If we compare
the ultimate example
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of human fine-tuning
design with a fine-tuning design
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we see in dark
energy and dark matter,
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our design ranks 10 trillion,
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trillion, trillion, trillion,
trillion, trillion, trillion,
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trillion times inferior...
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Inferior?
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Inferior to the level of design
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we see in dark
energy and dark matter,
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which implies that the
one that created our universe
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of matter, energy, space,
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and time at a
minimum is 10 trillion,
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trillion, trillion, trillion,
trillion, trillion, trillion,
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trillion times more intelligent
and more knowledgeable
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than the Cal Tech
and MIT physicists
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that had invented
this amazing instrument
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and at least that
many times better funded
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than the US government
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that actually
enabled it to be constructed.
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So what we're saying
to the audience today,
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we hope there are lots
of young people watching,
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there is overwhelming
evidence to believe in God,
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not faith evidence,
but evidence from science,
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evidence from astronomy.
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And not just any God,
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we're talking
the God of the Bible.
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It's the God of the
Bible, not a pagan God.
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Not a Hindu God or Buddhist God.
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Yes, mighty God.
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So the universe came
into being at the right time.
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Space, time,
matter came into being,
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then the universe
started to expand,
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and the fine-tuning there
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is one in a
trillion, trillion, trillion...
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Whatever, yeah,
right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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How can a rational person say
this just happened by itself?
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Help me out here.
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How can a person be rational
and look at this fine-tuning
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in the universe and say,
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"Hey, it does happen by itself"?
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Well, when I was in
the London a few weeks ago,
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I debated the British
chemists Peter Atkins and...
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Oh, you did?
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I did. Yes.
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And at the very end, the
question that was put to us
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by the moderator,
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"What scientific
evidence would cause you
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to change your position?"
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And so I gave several examples.
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I said, if we're
to prove the universe
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didn't have a beginning,
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that would be catastrophic
to my Christian faith.
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Yes.
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If we were to prove
that we human beings
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are really only differ by degree
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and not by kind
with the animals,
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that would be catastrophic
to my Christian faith.
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The moderator turned to Peter,
"What scientific evidences
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would cause you to
abandon your atheism?"
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And he said he
couldn't think of any.
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So it's like...
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That's a devastating
confession, isn't it?
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Well, it means the evidence
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really isn't the factor for him,
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and what I discovered
talking to him is that
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he's had some bad
experiences with the church.
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Yeah, the baggage.
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That the baggage
is what's keeping him,
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not the evidence.
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The nasty people.
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Not the God of the
Bible, but the baggage.
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Right.
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Before you talk to me
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about dark energy and...
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Dark matter. Dark matter, yeah,
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you helping me
out here a little bit?
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I'm trying.
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What is the percentage of
dark matter and dark energy?
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Dark energy adds up to 70.7%
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of all the
stuff of the universe.
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And the other stuff?
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The dark energy adds up
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to somewhere between 24%.
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So it's around 99%?
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Ordinary matter,
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the stuff that were
made of protons and neutrons,
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that's about 4.5%.
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Yes.
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And so the visible matter
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that we see is only 0.27%.
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So that's... So the
dark stuff dominates.
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That's a little over a
quarter of one percent.
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Yeah. See, I'm a
mathematician too.
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Right. Okay.
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Is there anything
about the relationship
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between dark matter and
the rest of the universe
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that suggests a grand designer?
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Well, you can have
grand design galaxies,
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unless you've
got that dark matter
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at the right amount,
in the right location,
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with the right distribution.
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What on earth is
it? Does anybody know?
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Well, we're trying to
discover the particles
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that make up dark matter
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and we know that the particles
do not interact with photons,
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which makes an
extremely difficult to detect.
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But I wrote in my book
The Creator and the Cosmos,
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the fourth edition that came out
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a few months ago...
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Yeah. Yes, I read it.
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That we're on the verge
of being able to discover
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these particles.
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I think within the
next two, three years,
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we'll be able to
identify these particles.
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And so there is an
amazing relationship
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between the dark
matter, the dark energy,
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and the
expansion of the universe?
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Well, the dark matter
stabilizes the galaxies.
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So if you want spiral galaxies
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where you got nice
symmetrical spiral arms,
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where the arms are just
the right distance apart
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to make life possible,
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you're going to need a
lot of this exotic dark matter
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and it needs to be in
just the right location.
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Is it true that the dark energy
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drives the
expansion of the universe
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or has that infect upon it?
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Yeah, it's not the only factor
controlling cosmic expansion
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but it is the primary factor.
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And this has got to
overcome the force of gravity?
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Yes.
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Yeah, gravity works to slow down
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the cosmic expansion,
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dark energy
works to speed it up.
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And there is a relationship,
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how fine-tuned is
this cosmic expansion,
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and the dark
matter, and all this stuff?
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Well, I said before,
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one part in 10
of the 122nd power
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or a fine-tuning that's
10 to the 97 times greater
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than anything we human
beings are able to achieve,
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which implies that the
one that created this stuff
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has to be much more intelligent,
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knowledgeable,
creative, and powerful,
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and caring than we human beings.
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So it can't just
be some kind of...
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And so God doesn't
expect an unbeliever, agnostic,
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or an atheist just to
take a blind leap of faith.
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There is evidence
to take this leap.
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There is evidence.
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And, you know,
there's verses in the Bible,
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1 Thessalonians 5:21,
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"Test everything, hold
fast to that which is good."
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The Bible is
against blind faith.
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It wants us to
be... Say that again.
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The Bible's against blind faith.
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Now I want you to hear this,
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the Bible is
against blind faith.
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The Bible wants us to
build that faith upon evidence.
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Well, the Greek and Hebrew words
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used for faith in the Bible
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mean acting upon
established truth.
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So I have a lot of
colleagues who know what's true
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but they don't act upon it.
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Yeah, sure,
you've got to act on it.
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Two components,
you've got to act
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on what you've now
established to be true.
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And we're going to try to
find some great big reasons
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why the universe
tells us to believe in God.
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What else?
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Well, what fascinates me
is that the laws of physics
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not only are
designed to make possible
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the existence
of us human beings,
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they're designed to deliver
us from evil and suffering.
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So and you actually see
this how thermodynamics,
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gravity, and electromagnetism
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work in such a
way that the more evil
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we humans commit,
the more time we waste,
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the more pain we experience,
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and the more work we have to do
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to undo the damage of
the sin and evil we commit,
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and that's because of the way
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God structured
the laws of physics,
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it guarantees that as we depart
from virtue and pursue evil,
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we will suffer
those consequences.
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Now...
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And I can't think of
any better physical laws
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to make that happen
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than what we
see in the universe.
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You're an
outstanding astronomer.
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But you've done a
little bit of dabbling
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in biology, haven't you?
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Oh, I have.
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That's where you
get a lot more evidence.
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Yeah, I've read some
of your stuff on this.
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How complex...
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Now this is the very opposite
of these great galaxies.
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How complex is a cell?
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Far more
complicated than anything
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we astronomers
measure in the universe.
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I mean, if you look inside...
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Are you
kidding? I'm not kidding.
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A cell.
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A single cell, if
you look at it in detail,
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you'll see that
it's more complex
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than a large city.
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It's got highways,
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it's got
machines, you got factories.
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This is not poetic
language. Not at all.
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So tell me about the cell?
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Well, it's loaded with
these very complicated machines.
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For example, every machine,
we humans have ever invented,
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we can find analogies
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to those
machines inside the cell.
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Distant engines,
your rotary engines.
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Boats.
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Little boats?
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Well, you actually see
little transportation vehicles
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that ride along
these microtubules
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to remove waste from the
cell and bring in the resources
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that these different
factories and cells need,
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and it's all
organized in a beautiful way.
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And you can't see
it with the naked eye?
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Well, with electron microscope
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we can see all the stuff
going on inside the cell.
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What I'm trying to say is tiny.
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It's very tiny.
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So you've got all
this incredible machinery
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and all of this stuff
packed inside this cell?
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And you really
can't make it any smaller
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than what we
see inside the cells
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at the very minute
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that the laws of
physics will permit.
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The other thing we noticed is
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the machines that
are inside the cell,
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they're like our machines,
only they're more efficient.
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Now our friends,
the evolutionists say,
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that the cell
basically started by chance.
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They do which is why my
colleague Fazale Rana...
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Yes.
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Biochemist wrote a book called
"Creating Life in the Lab."
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Yes.
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And he talks
about how biochemists
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with a lot of
technology and funding
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are trying to find
ways that they can duplicate
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the manufacture we
see inside the cell,
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and basically all they can do is
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trade parts that
are already there.
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They're not able to
build life from scratch.
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And even if they
could, it would simply prove
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that the one that
created the cell at first place
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was a lot better
funded with more technology
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and a lot more power
into like than they have.
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So when you turn on
PBS or some other station
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here in the US, or
the history channel,
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and someone says
rather confidently,
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"Well, we believe that
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life originated
from non-life in the cell
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simply came into being."
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All these are
people who don't attend
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origin of life research.
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That's the
dreamers, aren't they?
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You know, we
attend these meetings,
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and when we attend the meetings,
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you discover
there's a real spirit
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of depression
and despondency there
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because of the
fact that we are...
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The origin of life.
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Right. Yeah.
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I mean, we attended a conference
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just this past July
in the origin of life
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and the highlight
was if five of the
00:17:07.62\00:17:09.66
world's leading
origin of life researchers
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address the question,
00:17:11.56\00:17:13.23
do we understand
where the building blocks
00:17:13.26\00:17:15.86
of life molecules come from?
00:17:15.90\00:17:18.17
All five said no, in fact,
00:17:18.20\00:17:19.87
all five said we don't even know
00:17:19.90\00:17:21.57
where the building blocks
00:17:21.60\00:17:22.94
or the building
blocks come from.
00:17:22.97\00:17:24.91
And we astronomers
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are actually looking
for these building blocks
00:17:26.31\00:17:28.64
in interstellar
molecular clouds,
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the best place to find
them, and we're not finding.
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And so when a
person says confidently
00:17:33.98\00:17:37.29
that life generated itself.
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He's really saying a
super statement of faith.
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Well, moreover, it's testable.
00:17:43.56\00:17:45.06
I mean, if
you're going to say that
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these amino acids came
together and made proteins...
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Yes.
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Well, where are all
of these amino acids.
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It seems to me like
a massive pipe dream.
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Well... Why would you say...
00:17:56.87\00:17:58.21
I mean, you're
saying stuff, not you,
00:17:58.24\00:18:00.31
but a person who says
00:18:00.34\00:18:02.74
that life invented itself.
00:18:02.78\00:18:07.55
It's a dream.
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Well, it's a dream in a sense
we can't even find a source
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for the simplest of
the building blocks,
00:18:11.99\00:18:14.46
the amino acids,
the ribose sugars,
00:18:14.49\00:18:16.62
the nuclear
bases, that's missing.
00:18:16.66\00:18:19.76
And a question
that should be asked...
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I mean, how can you build life
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if we don't have
the component parts?
00:18:22.66\00:18:24.00
Absolutely.
00:18:24.03\00:18:25.37
And the dreamer should be asked,
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"Where did the dream come from?"
00:18:26.77\00:18:28.10
Where did the dream come from?
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Moreover to put these
pieces of molecules together,
00:18:29.50\00:18:31.87
they all have to have
the same configuration,
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they all have to be left
handed in terms of the proteins
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and right
handed for the nucleic.
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You don't have, I
like these, you know,
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one chance in a billion,
trillion, dillion, you don't...
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What's the
possibility of this happening?
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Well, even the leading
naturalistic origin of life
00:18:48.32\00:18:52.03
researchers admit
00:18:52.06\00:18:53.66
that the possibilities
are extremely remote.
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I mean, and the
idea that, for example,
00:18:57.10\00:19:00.10
they've been trying
to find a way, okay,
00:19:00.14\00:19:01.70
we need to put
these molecules together,
00:19:01.74\00:19:04.14
they all have to
have the same handedness,
00:19:04.17\00:19:06.54
they've done
experiments in the lab
00:19:06.57\00:19:07.98
where they try to get
them all the same handedness.
00:19:08.01\00:19:10.85
In order to do
that what you do is
00:19:10.88\00:19:12.78
you destroy the
right handed ones
00:19:12.81\00:19:14.55
more rapidly than
the left handed ones,
00:19:14.58\00:19:16.99
but long before we
get to 100% left handed,
00:19:17.02\00:19:19.89
you've got no sample left.
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You destroy everything.
00:19:21.52\00:19:23.39
And so there is no
naturalistic solution
00:19:23.43\00:19:26.49
for how you can
get all the molecules
00:19:26.53\00:19:28.16
oriented in the right direction
that you can put them together,
00:19:28.20\00:19:31.33
let alone be able
to put them together.
00:19:31.37\00:19:33.23
I get a feeling we're
not going to get to 10.
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Well, that's okay.
00:19:35.57\00:19:36.97
Now we got into three or four.
00:19:37.01\00:19:39.17
I mean, I'm very quickly I
can summarize this for you.
00:19:39.21\00:19:41.84
There's the
origin of humanity. Yes.
00:19:41.88\00:19:44.51
The exceptionalism of humans,
00:19:44.55\00:19:46.35
the fact that we're distinct
from all of the life forms.
00:19:46.38\00:19:48.15
Yes, we're not animals.
00:19:48.18\00:19:49.52
We're not animals.
And we're not machines.
00:19:49.55\00:19:51.72
But if you look at
the soulish animals,
00:19:51.75\00:19:53.36
the birds and mammals...
00:19:53.39\00:19:54.72
Yes.
00:19:54.76\00:19:56.09
They're also
distinct from all other life
00:19:56.12\00:19:57.46
and they're distinct in
the sense they are designed
00:19:57.49\00:20:00.30
to form
relationships with human beings,
00:20:00.33\00:20:03.60
which tells us that
likewise we are designed
00:20:03.63\00:20:06.03
to form relationships
with a higher being.
00:20:06.07\00:20:08.90
It was Job that said,
look to these animals,
00:20:08.94\00:20:11.04
they will teach
you spiritual lessons.
00:20:11.07\00:20:12.84
So we believe in a
personal Creator God
00:20:12.87\00:20:16.11
who made us in His own
image and who loves us.
00:20:16.14\00:20:20.88
Now tell me a little bit
00:20:20.92\00:20:24.42
about our place in the universe
00:20:24.45\00:20:27.26
and why very
place in the universe
00:20:27.29\00:20:29.52
is quite extraordinary?
00:20:29.56\00:20:32.13
Well, you heard me talk
about how we're the only time
00:20:32.16\00:20:34.80
where we can measure
everything in the universe.
00:20:34.83\00:20:37.17
We're also at the only
light conceivable location
00:20:37.20\00:20:40.64
where we can measure everything,
00:20:40.67\00:20:42.77
which tells me that
there must be a being
00:20:42.80\00:20:45.74
who wants us to
have the capacity
00:20:45.77\00:20:47.64
to read the book of nature.
00:20:47.68\00:20:49.31
So I'm going to say this
back to you so that I get it.
00:20:49.34\00:20:53.48
We're at the only
place in the universe
00:20:53.52\00:20:56.79
which is vast, isn't it?
00:20:56.82\00:20:58.15
It is.
00:20:58.19\00:20:59.52
How many billion galaxies?
00:20:59.55\00:21:01.29
We're talking
200 billion galaxies,
00:21:01.32\00:21:03.49
50 billion trillion stars.
00:21:03.53\00:21:05.79
And we happen to be
orbiting the one star
00:21:05.83\00:21:08.26
where we can actually see
the whole story of creation.
00:21:08.30\00:21:11.30
Did you get that?
00:21:11.33\00:21:12.67
Just think about that.
00:21:12.70\00:21:14.04
We're at the only
place in the universe
00:21:14.07\00:21:16.81
where we can
look back into time.
00:21:16.84\00:21:19.64
Oh, people want to
actually see the evidence
00:21:19.67\00:21:21.51
for that Reasons.org/Ross,
00:21:21.54\00:21:24.28
we're giving away a free chapter
00:21:24.31\00:21:26.45
of why the
universe is the way it is.
00:21:26.48\00:21:28.15
Now let's put
that up on the screen.
00:21:28.18\00:21:29.52
Yeah.
00:21:29.55\00:21:30.89
Well, I think we get
lots of free chapters
00:21:30.92\00:21:32.42
of our books just by doing that,
00:21:32.45\00:21:34.22
which kind of gets
you into the top 10
00:21:34.26\00:21:36.69
because we've written a book
and every one of the top 10.
00:21:36.73\00:21:39.96
All I can say
is it's astounding.
00:21:40.00\00:21:42.26
It is indeed. It's just.
00:21:42.30\00:21:44.23
I think God
wants to blow our mind
00:21:44.27\00:21:46.30
with all the wonder
that He's done on our behalf,
00:21:46.33\00:21:49.10
the whole universe exists.
00:21:49.14\00:21:50.87
And people don't
know this, do they?
00:21:50.91\00:21:53.04
A lot of people...
00:21:53.07\00:21:54.41
A lot of people don't know this.
00:21:54.44\00:21:55.78
A lot of these young people
00:21:55.81\00:21:57.15
who've left the church
have never heard this stuff,
00:21:57.18\00:22:00.78
have gone to
college or university
00:22:00.82\00:22:04.42
and they've been
told that neo-Darwinism
00:22:04.45\00:22:07.16
is an established fact.
00:22:07.19\00:22:09.22
That's what they
are taught, aren't they?
00:22:09.26\00:22:10.89
Well, it is a fact that
life has been here a long time
00:22:10.93\00:22:13.86
and is now more
complex than it used to be,
00:22:13.90\00:22:16.53
that's a simple definition
of biological evolution.
00:22:16.56\00:22:19.83
And I think it, what
they're being taught is
00:22:19.87\00:22:22.10
it all happened
by natural processes.
00:22:22.14\00:22:24.11
Yes, yes, yes, so...
00:22:24.14\00:22:25.47
And the top researchers
00:22:25.51\00:22:26.84
admit that they
can't prove that.
00:22:26.88\00:22:28.21
No.
00:22:28.24\00:22:29.58
Long way from being
able to just do that.
00:22:29.61\00:22:31.85
The Bible teaches that man
was made in the image of God.
00:22:31.88\00:22:35.65
Right.
00:22:35.68\00:22:37.02
And He was a new
and distinct creation.
00:22:37.05\00:22:40.39
We're not just an animal.
00:22:40.42\00:22:41.86
No, we're not animals.
00:22:41.89\00:22:43.32
I used to tell
the Russians this,
00:22:43.36\00:22:45.09
huge audiences and
they love to hear this,
00:22:45.13\00:22:47.56
because I've been
told Marxism is no god,
00:22:47.60\00:22:50.77
you're not an animal
and you're not a machine.
00:22:50.80\00:22:53.47
And this is just a little
aside when people think that
00:22:53.50\00:22:56.97
if you escape from
God, and from the Bible,
00:22:57.01\00:22:59.77
it's going to be so good,
00:22:59.81\00:23:01.94
look at the
Russian experiment...
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Right. Of atheism.
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The tens of millions
who were put to death,
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people don't like
to talk about that.
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Right.
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But the tens of
millions who were put to death
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were people who'd given
up on God and the Bible,
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that in itself is a reason
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to believe in God and the Bible.
00:23:17.73\00:23:21.03
Okay, we're not going
too bad, Dr. Ross, you and I.
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What's another big
reason in the universe
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that points to a Creator?
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Let me give you one
that's on planet earth.
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We have to be living on a planet
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during an ice age cycle,
00:23:36.68\00:23:38.75
where ice on the
planet goes from 10% coverage
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to about 23% coverage.
00:23:42.08\00:23:44.55
I wrote a book
Improbable Planet saying,
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that's the only
kind of planet...
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I wrote a little thing for it.
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You did? Yeah.
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Grateful for
that. Yeah, great book.
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Which was the only way
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you can have billions
of people on one planet,
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and it's the only
way those billions
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can have the technology
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where you can
actually hear all this evidence
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respond to this evidence,
00:24:02.60\00:24:04.57
and develop a
relationship with the one
00:24:04.61\00:24:06.44
that did it all
in the first place.
00:24:06.47\00:24:08.14
I want people to
hear this from your lips.
00:24:08.18\00:24:12.01
What would you
say to a young person
00:24:12.05\00:24:13.82
who's watching this program,
00:24:13.85\00:24:17.05
who's going to a place
where the Bible is to write it,
00:24:17.09\00:24:21.12
what would you say
to that young person
00:24:21.16\00:24:23.56
who feels like
giving up his faith?
00:24:23.59\00:24:26.33
There's evidence out there,
00:24:26.36\00:24:28.36
and I know you
want to ask questions.
00:24:28.40\00:24:31.90
We're here to
answer your questions.
00:24:31.93\00:24:33.67
I actually
answer all the questions
00:24:33.70\00:24:35.30
I get in Facebook and Twitter,
00:24:35.34\00:24:36.91
they can contact at reasons.org.
00:24:36.94\00:24:38.67
Yeah.
00:24:38.71\00:24:40.04
There are books,
we're giving away
00:24:40.08\00:24:41.44
free chapters of our
books at Reasons.org/Ross.
00:24:41.48\00:24:45.11
We want to start a
relationship with you.
00:24:45.15\00:24:47.75
And, you know,
00:24:47.78\00:24:49.12
I was not raised
in a Christian home,
00:24:49.15\00:24:50.89
and was science that brought me
00:24:50.92\00:24:52.25
to faith in Christ.
00:24:52.29\00:24:53.62
Fazale Rana was
raised in an Islamic home,
00:24:53.66\00:24:56.19
but it was a study
of the origin of life
00:24:56.22\00:24:58.06
that brought him
to faith in Christ,
00:24:58.09\00:24:59.43
there is scientific
evidences out there.
00:24:59.46\00:25:02.13
And, you know,
you owe it to yourself
00:25:02.16\00:25:04.43
to check out the evidence.
00:25:04.47\00:25:08.07
Dr. Ross, you're
one in a million,
00:25:08.10\00:25:11.17
or a billion,
00:25:11.21\00:25:12.87
we like these big
figures, you know.
00:25:12.91\00:25:16.04
God has used you, we admire you,
00:25:16.08\00:25:19.68
and we respect you.
00:25:19.71\00:25:21.68
And we thank
you today for coming
00:25:21.72\00:25:23.72
and sharing scientific reasons.
00:25:23.75\00:25:26.99
Why a thinking
person can believe in God.
00:25:27.02\00:25:30.43
We thank you for coming today,
00:25:30.46\00:25:32.03
and we thank you
for joining us today.
00:25:32.06\00:25:35.06
Please write to me and
my name is John Carter,
00:25:35.10\00:25:39.70
The Carter Report and
you can see our details
00:25:39.73\00:25:43.17
up here on the screen.
00:25:43.20\00:25:45.07
Also, contact Dr.
Ross at Reasons to Believe,
00:25:45.11\00:25:50.28
and believe this.
00:25:50.31\00:25:52.21
You know, what
Jesus said, believe this.
00:25:52.25\00:25:54.42
Jesus said, "You
will know the truth
00:25:54.45\00:25:58.15
and the truth
will make you free."
00:25:58.19\00:26:01.42
And so until next time,
thank you for joining us,
00:26:01.46\00:26:04.93
and may God richly
bless you and thank you.
00:26:04.96\00:26:09.60
You're welcome.
00:26:09.63\00:26:10.97
There is only one thing
00:26:13.80\00:26:15.14
that really
counts in this lifetime,
00:26:15.17\00:26:17.67
your relationship to Christ.
00:26:17.71\00:26:20.31
And then if you have
00:26:20.34\00:26:21.68
a right
relationship with Christ,
00:26:21.71\00:26:24.21
you want to tell
people about Christ.
00:26:24.25\00:26:26.92
That's why Jesus
said, "Go into all the world
00:26:26.95\00:26:29.72
and preach the
gospel to every creature."
00:26:29.75\00:26:33.62
By the grace of God,
we're going to do that.
00:26:33.66\00:26:36.36
We are doing that.
00:26:36.39\00:26:38.36
That is why we're
going back to Cuba,
00:26:38.39\00:26:40.76
to this communist
land, to preach Christ.
00:26:40.80\00:26:45.27
We're accepting an invitation
00:26:45.30\00:26:46.97
to go to the vast
and huge city of Manila,
00:26:47.00\00:26:52.07
the capital of the
Philippines been there before,
00:26:52.11\00:26:55.44
but by the grace of
God, we're going back.
00:26:55.48\00:26:58.65
Please support us,
please stand with us
00:26:58.68\00:27:02.95
in the preaching of
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00:27:02.98\00:27:05.69
You say, "How do you do
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00:27:05.72\00:27:08.89
We do.
00:27:08.92\00:27:10.26
"Do you get any help,
00:27:10.29\00:27:11.63
financial help from the church?"
00:27:11.66\00:27:13.16
No, my friend, we don't,
00:27:13.19\00:27:15.00
but we get a lot of help
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00:27:15.03\00:27:19.43
Please support
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00:27:19.47\00:27:22.57
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00:27:22.60\00:27:24.11
It's the most
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00:27:24.14\00:27:27.24
Everything else
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