The Carter Report Presents,
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The Living Word
around the World.
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Hello, my
friend, I'm John Carter.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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And topic today is
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the biggest hoax
in all the world.
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I have a special guest today,
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Dr. Faz Rana from
"Reasons to Believe."
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Dr. Rana is a great scientist.
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And today we're going
to look at the evidence for
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and against the
theory of evolution.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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Hi, I'm John Carter.
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My wife Beverley and I
were watching television
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the other night, watching
the news, American News.
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They told us that the church
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in North America
is actually shrinking.
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They said that atheism
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is the fastest
growing religious movement
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today in North America.
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And people are saying,
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"What on earth can we
do to save the church?"
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Well, of course
Christ died for the church,
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He saved the church.
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But what they mean is,
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"How can we keep the
church as a vibrant force
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in the world
today, in Australia,
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in America and in Europe
and in the rest of the world?"
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Let me tell you a little story.
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John Wesley was one
of the greatest preachers
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of the English
speaking world has ever heard.
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John Wesley came upon the
scene of the church in England
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a few hundred years ago,
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when the church was
dying like the church today,
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it was a shrinking church,
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but the people in the church
were in a state of denial.
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They refused to
accept the reality
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that the church was dying.
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John Wesley did something
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that other people
said it couldn't be done.
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He revived the church
through public evangelism.
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Did you hear that? He
started to preach Christ.
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He preached the Bible
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and he preached out
of doors and indoors
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and the church was saved.
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Not only did he
save a lot of souls,
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the souls of sinners,
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he saved the
souls of the saints.
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Please join me, my
friend, in evangelism.
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It's what Jesus did.
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Write to me John Carter,
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Post Office Box 1900,
Thousand Oaks, California.
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In Australia write to
me at address on the screen
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at Terrigal, in New South Wales.
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Join me, my friend,
in preaching Christ.
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Join me in public
evangelism around the world.
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Thank you in Jesus' name.
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Welcome back to
the Carter Report.
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Today we're talking about
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the
evolutionary theory of Darwin
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that we consider to be
the world's greatest hoax.
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My guest today is Dr. Faz Rana,
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Vice President of
"Reasons To Believe."
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He and Dr. Hugh Ross
co-authored the books
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"Origins of Life"
and also "Who Was Adam."
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After reading these books
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Nobel Prize winning chemist
Dr. Richard Smalley said,
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"Evolution has been
dealt its deathblow.
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After reading "Origins of life"
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with my background in
chemistry and physics,
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it is clear evolution
could not have occurred."
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We're glad that
you're on our program today.
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Well, thank you for
having me, Pastor Carter.
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And, Dr. Rana, it is our
honour to have you with us today
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and we want to
thank you for joining us.
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We're going to get
right into the matter.
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We're gonna jump
into what some would say,
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is a difficult subject
when you talk about evolution,
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because people tell us
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evolution is a
proven scientific fact
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and they use Junk DNA.
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What is Junk DNA?
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Well, when the human
genome was sequenced,
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this would have
been in 2000, 2001
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what was discovered at that time
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was that most of the genome
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didn't code for any
kind of useful products.
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And so the thought was
that this was all junk.
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And so the idea was
95% of the human genome
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is made up of garbage DNA
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that just is an
evolutionary wastage.
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And in fact when you look at
humans and chimps and gorillas,
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there's a shared
Junk DNA sequences
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and everybody
argued, this is evidence
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for an evolutionary
history for humanity,
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evidence for common descent.
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Because why
would God put the stuff
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in there that's no good.
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Exactly, but in
the last few years
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there's been a radical revision
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in terms of how we
understand the human genome.
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We now know that
virtually all of the DNA
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in the human genome
is actually functional,
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only a small
fraction of it codes
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for useful protein products.
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The rest of it is basically
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functioning as
the control system,
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telling the cell when
to make certain proteins
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and when not to make proteins
and how much to make them.
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And this is critical for
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the development
of the human being
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from a small egg to a
fully formed individual.
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So what we're looking at here is
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an incredibly
elegantly designed system
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that is far beyond
anybody's imagination
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in terms of its
complexity and elegance.
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The DNA is full of information.
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It's loaded with information.
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How much
information in a bit of DNA?
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3.2 billion generic letters
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and that's in
each cell in our body.
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I want to get this clear.
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I was told there were
3.2 billion generic letters,
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but this is in
each cell in the body.
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Each cell and there's about
a trillion cells in our body.
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Now each cell has the same,
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same 3.2
billion generic letters,
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at least the
first approximation.
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And so you got
these little letters
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in the right
sequence inside the cell. Yes.
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That you can't see
with the naked eye?
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That's right, you can't
see it with the naked eye.
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And in fact I've seen
the entire human genome
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printed out in book
form and it literally is,
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like a set of encyclopaedias
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that goes from the floor to
a ceiling about 15 feet high.
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And it's just volume after
volume after volume of letters.
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Now remember you're
dealing here with a hoax.
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I don't know much about this,
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that's why we
got you on the show.
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Tell me this
about the library again?
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Well, the
information in one cell,
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if you simply typed
out the generic code,
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that those 3.2 billions letters,
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it looks like a
volume of encyclopaedias
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where each
volume would correspond
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to one of the 23
chromosomes in the human body
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or in the human cells.
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And this happened by itself?
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Well, that's what
evolutionary biologists...
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This came from nothing.
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That's what evolutionary
biologists would say.
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That Darwin didn't know
what you're telling me today?
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No, he didn't know that.
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He thought the
cell was a bit of blob,
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just a bit of nothing.
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Right, a
protoplasm, a bit of jelly.
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Somebody told me
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that if you took the information
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that is in one cel...
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you need, I think
it was 1,500 books,
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each of a 1,000 pages.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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There's a library.
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But I thought
that meant the whole--
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When I read it I had an
idea, this is the whole body,
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but this is one
cell in the body.
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This is one cell in
the body, exactly, exactly.
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And I actually saw again
the human genome printed out
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and there were--
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It was just volume
after volume after volume
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and this, the bookshelf
went from the floor to a ceiling
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15 feet high jammed with books.
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And I pulled one
out and I looked at it
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and the print was so small--
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Tiny print? I
could barely read it.
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And it's digital
information, isn't it?
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It's digital information.
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This is not an
analogue, it's digital?
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Yeah, it's just,
again it's like a--
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the information
in a computer system.
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It's digitized.
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Have you thought
about this, Doctor?
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John 1:1 says,
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"In the beginning
was the word." Yes.
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Now, the word has the
connotation of information.
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So in the very
beginning the information came
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and that gave
way to the universe
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and the human race.
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But the evolutionists says,
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in the beginning
there was nothing.
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Much to do about nothing.
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In the beginning
there was nothing
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and there was
confusion and randomness
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and everything by chance
and it gave birth to the cell.
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You got to have a lot
of faith to be an atheist
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or an evolutionist.
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Yeah, you sure do.
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And to think
about, you know, John 1:1.
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It's interesting
because in our experience,
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information always
comes from our mind.
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Anytime we
encounter information,
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we recognise that
it's the work of a mind.
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Yes, we do.
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And it's provocative to think
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that at its essence
biochemistry is information.
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Most people don't know this.
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They are information systems,
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and you know as I mentioned
in the previous episode,
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the way in which
the cells machinery
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manipulates that information
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is similar to how a
computer system functions.
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And people have
used that insight
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to build literally
computers using DNA
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in the cells machinery.
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This is called DNA computing.
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And tell me about
this DNA computing?
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Explain this to me?
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Well, the idea is that
because DNA is information
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because it's digital information
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just like, which is
found in a computer system,
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you can manipulate
that digital information,
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do all kinds of complex tasks.
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And the cell
basically does the same thing.
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In the vein which it does that
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is fundamentally how a
computer system operates
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at its most basic level.
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And again exploiting that idea,
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there are now nanotechnologists
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that are building
computer systems out of DNA
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and these are more powerful,
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the systems that they are
building are more powerful
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than the most
powerful super computer system
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that we're aware off.
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Or you have
information theorists
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who study problems
in molecular biology
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who have concluded
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that the way in
which the information
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in the cell is structured
is identical to human language.
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This is quite amazing.
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And so it's not just merely
the presence of information
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but how it's structured,
how it's handled by the cell,
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it's identical
to how we structure
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and handle information.
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And that to me suggest
not only a work of a mind,
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but it says, there's
something about the way
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that we think
that it's in resonance
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with how that Creator thinks.
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And of course scripture tells us
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that we're made in God's image.
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And if we're
made in God's image,
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we're mini creators
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and doesn't it really make sense
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to think that what we
would do, would somehow echo
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what the Creator has
done when He has created.
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And so to me it's
not just merely...
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This is evidence
for intelligent design.
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But when we think about it,
it really points to the fact
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that we're made in God's image
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and we have this connection
to the Creator in someway.
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You know, if I go
down to the beach--
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Well, not just the beach,
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to say if I'm out in the desert,
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a lot of sand,
like at the beach.
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And I'm dying of
thirst and I come along
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and I see written in the sand,
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100 yards to water and
it has an arrow pointing.
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I think I could logically assume
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that the letters
are an indication
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of a mind that wrote it down.
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Exactly.
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But the atheistic evolutionists
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looks at the writing in the sand
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and he says, it
came from nowhere
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and it happened by blind chance.
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And man is the
product of time plus matter,
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plus chance that we believe
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is the greatest
hoax in all the world.
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Now I want to
ask you this question
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and I'm enjoying this.
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This is quite amazing.
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And we're running out
of time for this segment,
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so we'll have to
go through this fast.
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Is man genetically different
to a animal, say a chimp?
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What makes mankind distinct?
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Well, we are built out
of the same building blocks
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as a chimp,
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but I look at that as
evidence for common design.
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Designers will
use the same materials
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and make very
different designs with that.
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But have we got
cells like the chimp?
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Yeah, we are
genetically similar to chimps.
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We're bio chemically similar.
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We got the DNA
and all that stuff.
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Yeah, we're atomically similar,
we're physiologically similar.
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But I look at that as
evidence for common design,
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not common descent.
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And what we do stand apart
from chimps in radical ways.
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And a lot of it has to do with
the way our brain is structured
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and the way that
our brain operates.
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And in terms of what's
called gene expression,
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we're radically
different than chimps
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when it comes to our brains.
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Because we were
made in the image of God?
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Exactly.
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Yeah, we're not descendent
or related to the chimps
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because man is a new
and distinct creation
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from the hand of God.
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And therefore we
believe, Dr. Faz,
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that every person is
distinct and glorious
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and every person is important
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and we believe that
life is full of meaning.
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We believe that because
we came from the hand of God,
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one day we shall go
back to the hand of God.
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You're watching
the Carter Report.
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My guest is Dr. Faz
Rana from Reasons to Believe.
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Just stay with us, my friend,
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because we're
going to be back with you
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after this brief message.
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Stay with us.
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God has His time and
His place for everything.
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And the time and the place
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now is Latin
America, including Cuba.
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Time Magazine talks about
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the second
Protestant Reformation
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and describes how
hundreds of thousands
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even millions of Latinos are
coming to the gospel of Christ.
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I'm not an armchair theologian,
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I'm speaking
according toexperience.
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I've seen it with my own eyes.
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Recently we went
down to El Salvador.
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There I spoke in the
largest football stadium
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in Central America
with the biggest crowd
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that, that football
stadium had ever, ever seen.
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They came not to
see a football match,
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but to hear about
the blood of Christ.
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Millions are coming
to a knowledge of God
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in Latin America.
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Doors are opening in Cuba.
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Who knows we may be going
to Cuba soon as the doors open.
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By the grace of God we're going
to step through those doors.
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And we want you to step
through those doors with us
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and be part of our team
for such a time as this.
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Please write to me,
friend, don't put it off.
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Write to me John
Carter, Post Office Box 1900,
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Thousand Oaks,
California, 91358.
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In Australia write to me
at Terrigal, New South Wales.
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Be part of the
Second Reformation.
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Join us to see
the miracles of God.
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Amen.
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Hello, friend, I'm John Carter.
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Welcome back today
to the Carter Report.
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We are talking today
about the greatest hoax
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in all the world.
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And my special
guest is Dr. Faz Rana
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from "Reasons to Believe."
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Welcome back, Doctor.
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Thank you for
having me, Pastor Carter.
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Glad to have you here.
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Now we're talking today about
ideas that influence millions,
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perhaps billions, there
are families and children.
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Tell me about your family?
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Well, I've been
married almost 29 years
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and it's amazing to
me that my wife was able
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to put up with me for 29 years.
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But we have five
kids. Five children?
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Three biological,
two that we adopted
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and they are all grown up
and they are out of the house
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and we're empty nesters now.
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And they are figuring out how
to make their own way in life.
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And one of our
daughter is married,
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and one will be
married this summer.
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So we've got a full family.
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And you're a happy man.
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I'm very happy. I can tell.
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You got a happy face.
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I'm going to read
you this statement.
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Atheistic evolution is a theory
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that is
devastated the human race?
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I want you to
comment on this in a moment.
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Darwin, without
intending to, abolished God.
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The death of God always
leads to the death of man.
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This is
important philosophically.
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Carl Marx seized on Darwinism.
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Friedrich Nietzsche
gladly accepted evolution
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and the concept of the
survival of the fittest.
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Hitler worshiped Nietzsche,
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and he slept with a copy
of Nietzsche under his pillow.
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It was the heart
of the Nazi system.
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The communists in Russia...
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Listen to this, my friend.
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And in China
were ardent atheist,
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ardent evolutionists.
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And I believe this
caused the greatest deaths
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in the history
of the human race.
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The greatest wars in
history, Pol Pot was an atheist.
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No God, no purpose, no meaning.
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If God is destroyed,
then man also is destroyed.
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And it seems to
me that in America
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and in Australia and in another
parts of the world today,
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people have lost hope
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and they have
lost purpose in living.
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Could you comment on that?
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Well, I think
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that's a very powerful
statement that's there.
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I wrote it.
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Well, it's very powerful,
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but it's
absolutely true in my opinion,
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that is why, you know,
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I'm personally troubled
by the theory of evolution.
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Me too.
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Because if life's
origin and life's history
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can be explained exclusively
through evolutionary means,
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there's no need for God.
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And as you point out,
when there's no need for God,
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then what are human beings?
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We're just simply the product
of evolutionary processes.
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We don't have any meaning.
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We're no different than any
other creature on this planet.
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We're just simply
an ephemeral entity--
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Or just another
animal, no better than a frog?
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That's exactly what--
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And that's what
people say, you know,
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we're no better than a frog.
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Well, and there's whole idea
of species of now today. Yes.
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We're to think that human
beings are somehow special
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is, is an
upfront to many people.
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How could you--
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They would say,
make human beings special
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versus these other creatures
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who were no better or no worse.
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Well, that just undermines
as you say any kind of idea
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that there's purpose in life,
it undermines human dignity,
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anything is permissible
in that kind of a framework
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and I think it's a
horrendously frightening idea,
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you know, that has, you
know, profound implications.
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Ideas have real consequences.
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I'm sure you're aware of this.
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When Darwin put out
his idea of evolution,
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it wasn't science.
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He was groping in the darkness
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and people like Huxley
who accepted his ideas,
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did so not on
the basis of science,
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but on the basis of
what they wanted to believe.
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Yeah, well,
Richard Dawkins once said,
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Darwinism allows me
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to be an intellectually
satisfied atheist.
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Yes. Yeah.
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And so it's as if
Darwinism is co-opted to fuel
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the rejection of belief in God.
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Why, because if
evolution can explain it,
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then you don't need God.
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And this is why I think
it's so important for people
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to realize that the
case for evolution is
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not strong scientifically.
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No, it's not a scientific idea.
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That the origin of
life looks to be miraculous,
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that when you look at
the history of life on earth,
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that looks as if
there were places
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where evolution
just simply can't account
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for what's happening
in the history of life,
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that you have to
have divine input,
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that there has to be a
Creator that is intervening.
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And if that's the case and
it's easy for me to believe
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that Creator is intervening
in my own personal life.
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On the basis of the evidence?
On the basis of the evidence.
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This is not
wishful thinking. No.
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This is-- this is
based on the evidence.
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Dawkins said during a
debate with Dr. John Lennox
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from Oxford University.
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He said, you
Christians have got faith,
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we've got the
evidence on our side.
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You just got faith.
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What he doesn't
understand is this,
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that our faith is
built upon evidence.
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I don't believe in God because
I just want to believe in God,
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neither do you.
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I do not believe in Genesis
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just because I would feel like
I want to believe in Genesis.
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I believe in it
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because I believe
the evidence supports it.
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And we believe in
an intelligent faith
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that is based upon truth.
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Was Lucy our ancestor, Doctor,
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who were the hominids.
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Well, the way I like to
think about them as a Christian
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is that these were
creatures that were made by God,
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that they had intelligence,
they had emotional capability,
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but they didn't
have the image of God.
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They didn't have-- They
weren't spiritual beings.
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That is a category reserved
exclusively for human beings.
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Yes, man is made
in the image of God.
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And that's how I think of them.
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I think of them in the same vein
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as I think of the
great apes, chimpanzees,
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orangutans and
gorillas, fascinating creatures,
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remarkable creatures,
00:22:06.05\00:22:07.39
but there's clearly a difference
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between an ape and a human
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and I think that
difference is primarily
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the fact that we
bear God's image.
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Apes don't go to
church. They don't.
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And there's a reason for this.
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But what's interesting is that,
00:22:19.70\00:22:21.04
when you look at the
behavior of the hominids,
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so many people
look at that behavior
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has being kind of an antecedent
00:22:24.37\00:22:27.21
to what's
happening with modern humans.
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They see this in
evolutionary terms.
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But the fact of the matter is
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that more then we
learn about their behavior,
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the creatures like
Neanderthals, Homo erectus,
00:22:34.68\00:22:37.39
the more then we see,
00:22:37.42\00:22:38.75
but their behavior
really is categorically
00:22:38.79\00:22:41.12
like that of the great apes.
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It's not behavior that,
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at anyway I think connects them
00:22:45.26\00:22:47.00
to humans in evolutionary sense.
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Let me read you a statement
and then I want your comment.
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Professor Leakey
who discovered Lucy.
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He says, or he said.
00:22:54.40\00:22:56.20
"If pressed
about man's ancestry,
00:22:56.24\00:22:58.51
I would have to say that
00:22:58.54\00:23:00.28
all we have is a
huge question mark.
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To date, there has been nothing
found to truthfully purport,
00:23:04.48\00:23:09.35
as a transitional
species to man, including Lucy.
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If further pressed, I
would have to state that
00:23:14.56\00:23:16.59
there is more
evidence to suggest,
00:23:16.62\00:23:19.29
to suggest an
abrupt arrival of man
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rather than a gradual
process of evolution."
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Yeah, this is really, I
think an important point.
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So often times when people think
00:23:31.54\00:23:33.04
about hominid fossil record,
00:23:33.07\00:23:34.41
they think of Lucy which is
about a 40% complete skeleton,
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or they think of the Turkana boy
00:23:38.11\00:23:39.95
which is almost
100% complete skeleton.
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Those were highly
unusual, rare finds.
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Most of the hominid
fossils are partial skulls,
00:23:45.79\00:23:49.52
teeth, jaw bones.
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Then often
times they are damaged
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and they are
deformed and nobody knows
00:23:53.29\00:23:55.83
how many species
existed of the hominids.
00:23:55.86\00:23:58.30
Nobody knows how the hominids
00:23:58.33\00:23:59.70
would have been
connected to each other
00:23:59.73\00:24:01.44
in evolutionary terms.
00:24:01.47\00:24:03.17
Most of the hominids that
people traditionally think of
00:24:03.20\00:24:05.81
as part of the ascent of
man Lucy and The Handy Man
00:24:05.84\00:24:10.01
and the Peking
man, and Neanderthals
00:24:10.05\00:24:12.55
are acknowledged by
evolutionary biologists
00:24:12.58\00:24:14.78
to be dead end
since high branches.
00:24:14.82\00:24:16.92
Nobody knows the pathway
00:24:16.95\00:24:18.69
from some kind of a legit
ancestor to modern humans.
00:24:18.72\00:24:22.82
The area of research in
anthropologies in total chaos.
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Yes, it is.
00:24:27.43\00:24:28.76
Every time there's a new find,
00:24:28.80\00:24:30.53
it always
rewrites human evolution.
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Well, that tells me that
nothing in that whole area
00:24:32.47\00:24:35.97
is scientifically concerned.
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No, no, no, it's
wishful thinking. Yeah.
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It's a religion. Yes.
00:24:40.81\00:24:42.14
And all religions have their--
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Well, most religions
have some crazy ideas
00:24:44.61\00:24:47.58
that are built upon
faith and supposition
00:24:47.62\00:24:50.69
and wishful thinking.
00:24:50.72\00:24:52.25
It is true that those
who believe in evolution.
00:24:52.29\00:24:56.09
We say this was
courtesy, Christian courtesy.
00:24:56.12\00:24:59.33
Darwin taught that
the geological column
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was the ultimate
proof of evolution.
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He says, you're
gonna see it in the rocks.
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Are they missing links?
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Are they transitional species?
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You know this is
something that's interesting
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because when Darwin
wrote Origins of Species,
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he had a couple of chapters
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devoted to potential
problems with his theory. Yes.
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And one of them
was the fossil record.
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In Darwin's day,
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the fossil record didn't show
gradual evolutionary change,
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it showed sudden
appearances of groups
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followed by no change or stasis.
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And Darwin thought,
well, give us more time,
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we'll collect more fossils
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and these missing
links will be filed in.
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The fact of the matter
is that's not the case.
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The same pattern...
That's not the case?
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The same
patterns that Darwin saw
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on the fossil
record of the same patterns
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that we recognize today.
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No transitions? Very few.
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If anything that could be
considered even a transition.
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And when innovation
happens in the history of life,
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it happens explosively.
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The queen mother of all examples
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would be the Cambrian explosion.
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When animals first
appear on the planet,
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they appear explosively
in a geological instant.
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And there's a
radiation for mammals,
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there's a radiation for birds.
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In fact a couple
of bird radiations,
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there's radiations for reptiles
and amphibians and for fish.
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Every time innovation
happens, it happens explosively.
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And that to me is
exactly what I would expect
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the geological column
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to look like if God
is involved in creating.
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This thing suddenly would appear
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in their full
range of diversity,
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and that's what we
see in the fossil record.
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Tell me this because our
program is coming to a close.
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You believe in
Christ? I sure do.
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You believe in
the Bible? I sure do.
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Do you believe that a
person, ordinary person like me
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and the people
watching our television program,
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do you believe
that ordinary people
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gonna have a
relationship with God?
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Of course. Yeah.
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I most certainly believe that.
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I have a
relationship with Jesus Christ
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and I'm so
grateful for His life,
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death and resurrection
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because that's the means
by which I have salvation.
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And you're a
scientist? I'm a scientist.
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And you believe in
God? I believe in God.
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And you don't
believe in evolution?
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I'm very skeptical of
the evolutionary paradigm.
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But you do believe in the
text, in the Bible that says,
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"In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth."
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I not only
believe it, but I think
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that there's scientific evidence
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that supports the idea that
the universe had a beginning.
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And you also
believe the text that says,
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God said, "Let us
make man in our own image."
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Yeah, I believe that,
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that we're special
creations in God's image
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to be in a
relationship with Him.
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And even though
we messed that up
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in the form that God has
gone through great lengths
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to restore that relationship
to the person of Christ.
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And I think there's
powerful scientific evidence
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that supports belief in God
and mankind's special status.
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And at this stage of
the program I can say, amen.
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You've been
watching Dr. Faz Rana
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from Reasons to Believe.
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We believe that God made us
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and we came
from the hand of God.
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Please write to me, John Carter,
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Post Office Box 1900,
Thousand Oaks, California.
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In Australia you can write to me
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at the address on
the screen at Terrigal.
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Also remember
this, God made you,
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Christ died for
you, God loves you.
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And until next
time God bless you
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and thank you for
watching this program today.
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