The Carter Report Presents
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The Living Word
around the World.
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Hello, friend, I'm John Carter.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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Our topic today is
a bit of a bombshell.
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We're going to talk about
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the biggest hoax
in the Last 150 Years.
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Dr. Fazale Rana
is vice president
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of Reasons To Believe
in Southern California.
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He has a PhD in
chemistry, with an emphasis
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in Biochemistry
from Ohio University.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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God has His time and
His place for everything.
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And the time and the place now
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is Latin
America, including Cuba.
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Time Magazine talks about
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the second
Protestant Reformation
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and describes how
hundreds of thousands
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even millions of Latinos
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are coming to
the gospel of Christ.
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I'm not an armchair theologian,
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I'm speaking
according to experience.
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I've seen it with my own eyes.
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Recently we went
down to El Salvador.
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There I spoke in the
largest football stadium
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in Central America
with the biggest crowd
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that, that football
stadium had ever, ever seen.
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They came not to
see a football match,
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but hear about
the blood of Christ.
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Millions are coming
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to a knowledge of
God in Latin America.
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Doors are opening in Cuba.
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Who knows we may be going
to Cuba soon as the doors open.
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By the grace of God we're going
to step through those doors.
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And we want you to step
through those doors with us
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and be part of our team
for such a time as this.
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Please write to me,
friend, don't put it off.
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Write to be John
Carter, Post Office Box 1900,
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Thousand Oaks,
California, 91358.
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In Australia write to me
at Terrigal, New South Wales.
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Be part of the
Second Reformation.
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Join us to see
the miracles of God.
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Amen.
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Welcome to the Carter Report.
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Dr. Rana and Dr. Hugh Ross,
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co author the books
"The Origin Of Life"
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and "Who Was Adam."
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And those books
made an impression upon
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a Noble Peace winning
chemist, Dr. Richard Smalley.
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After reading
those two books he said,
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"Evolution has been
dealt its deathblow.
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Well, after
reading 'Origins Of Life'
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with my background in chemistry
and physics, it is clear,"
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said the Noble
prize winning chemist,
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"It is clear, evolution
could not have occurred."
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Dr. Fuzz, welcome
to our program today.
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Pastor Carter,
thank you for having me.
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It's a pleasure to be here.
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It's always a
pleasure to have you
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because we share so
many, so many things
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because you and I are
both interesting in a--
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with a passion, in
the origin of life.
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Where did life come from?
May I ask you this question?
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I personally
believe in micro evolution.
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I think you do too. Yes.
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What's the difference between
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microevolution
and macroevolution
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as taught by Charles Darwin?
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Well, I like to
think of microevolution
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is being established fact
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and macro evolution is
being sheer speculation.
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Micro evolution
just simply refers
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to the ability of organisms
to adapt to their environment,
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so that the example that people
would be familiar with would be
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the peppered moth
changing its wings,
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wing colors in
the United Kingdom
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in response to industrial
population and the environment,
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going from the white
winged to dark winged varieties.
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It's still a moth, it
just simply has varied slightly
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in response to the environment.
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That's a well established fact
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and in fact you
could even see that
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as part of the Creator's design
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where organisms are able
to adapt their environment.
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Macroevolution would be,
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where one kind
changes into another kind.
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For example, a wolf
like creature into a whale
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or a dinosaur into a bird.
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And to me that idea is
really sheer speculation
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that isn't very well
established or scientific fact.
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People hold on to
those ideas of macroevolution
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largely for
philosophical reasons.
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In my view, not for
on the basis of evidence.
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Yes.
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Now on occasions you
will read the newspaper
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or see something on
television and they will say,
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evolution has been
firmly established.
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Here is another
case of evolution,
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you can see it in the
mutations that have occurred
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in a virus or some
other tiny little creature.
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They say now, here is
absolute proof of evolution.
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But you would say, this
is what sort of evolution?
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That would be an
example of microevolution.
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And again it's
clearly established
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as a scientific fact,
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but just
because species can vary
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in response to
changes in the environment,
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it doesn't mean that the
mechanisms for that process
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can be translated
to explain, how again,
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large scale
biological changes can happen
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and that in my mind is
not been firmly established.
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Now as a
scientist, you do not believe
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in the theory of Charles Darwin.
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No, I don't.
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I'm highly
sceptical, at least of aspects
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of Darwin's theory of evolution.
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Part of Darwin's
theory is this idea
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of microevolution
which I freely accept.
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Everybody
believes this, everybody.
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Exactly. Yes.
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But other aspects
of Darwin's theory,
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the idea that again those
mechanisms that can explain
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how a peppered moth
would change its wings,
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can explain how a dinosaur
would evolve into a bird,
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that is something I don't
think it's been established.
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Today 95% of the young
people from Christian homes
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in the United States of America.
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From strong evangelical homes,
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when they go to
secular university
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such as you've gone to,
where you got your PhD from.
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When they go to the
secular universities,
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they are assaulted
by atheistic professors
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on a mission to destroy faith.
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Most scientists
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in the
universities are atheists.
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I'm told that the number
of atheists in universities,
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in the scientific
disciples, it's around 98%.
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So most of them,
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this is not true
outside the universities,
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but inside the universities,
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the vast majority
of the professors,
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do not believe in the Bible
and they do not believe in God.
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Tell me, how can
you, a respected scientist
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believe in God and
believe in the Bible
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and believe in Genesis 1:1,
Chapter 1, verse 1 that says,
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"In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth."
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Well, let's go to Genesis 1:1.
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In the beginning God creates
the heavens and the earth.
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Well, science has discovered
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that the
universe has a beginning.
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And if the
universe has a beginning,
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there must be a
beginner, a cause
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that brought the
universe into existence.
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So on that basis alone,
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I think it's scientifically
credible to think that
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there is a Creator like
this described in scripture.
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Is it not true that
until relatively recent times
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from the around the
time of Hubble and Einstein,
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scientists did not believe
the universe had a beginning.
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That's right.
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Yeah, that-- the
prevailing view was that
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the universe was eternal,
that it always existed...
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The study
states theory. Exactly.
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And the fact that we
know that time has a beginning
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and that the
universe has a beginning.
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It's remarkable because
scripture not only tells us
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the universe has a beginning,
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but it also makes
mention of the fact
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that time had a beginning
and that's a radical concept.
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We're comfortable with it today,
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but when that idea was proposed,
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by Steven Hawking by the
way, it was a radical idea
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but it's something that
was already found in scripture,
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that scripture anticipated.
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So to me, to believe in
God just simply from the fact
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that we've discovered
the universe has a beginning,
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is scientifically credible.
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Sometimes when I talk to
people about the Big Bang
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on my television programs,
they get terribly frightened.
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They say, if you
believe in the Big Bang,
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you believe in the
theory of evolution.
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There's no
relationship, is there?
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No relationship at all
and in fact many scientists
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who are atheists are
very troubled by the Big Bang
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because the philosophical,
and theologically implications
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are readily evident to them.
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Again if there's a beginning
to the universe that means,
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something outside the
universe cause the universe.
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Yes.
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And that's completely consistent
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with what we think of God
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in terms of His role
as creating the universe.
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And is it not true because
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you're the
specialist here and I'm not.
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Evolutionists were
comfortable with new beginning
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because they had
almost infinite time.
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But now we know that
the universe took place,
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came into being in relatively,
we say relatively, recent times
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and therefore the
window of opportunity
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for evolution to occur
has been greatly narrowed.
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Oh, yes, exactly.
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And in fact, when we
look at the fossil record
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We see that as soon as
the earth can support life,
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life appears virtually,
instantaneously on the earth.
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And when it appears
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it's as complex
as life is today.
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So there's no time for evolution
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to generate the
very first life forms.
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Did you know the great atheist
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Richard Dawkins
from Oxford University,
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when he looked at
the geological record
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he said, it almost appears
as though creation took place?
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Exactly and he's
referring to something
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called the Cambrian Explosion.
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Where the very first
appearance of animals
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on the surface of the earth,
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which, then they appear
on the oceans is virtually--
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It's suddenly in
a geological sense.
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It's, they appear in an instant.
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We have single celled organisms
and then suddenly boom,
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we have these fully
formed animals out of nowhere.
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In fact, Darwin knew
about the Cambrian Explosion
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and it deeply troubled him.
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Yes, it did.
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As he saw that is a
serious problem for his theory.
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And Darwin argued well,
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maybe if we
continue to collect fossils
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that problem will disappear.
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But we now know
the Cambrian Explosion
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is a real event
in life's history
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and it defies
evolutionary explanations.
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I was astounded
to read the remarks
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of Professor Leakey, you
know, he's the palaeontologist,
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geologist who discovered Lucy.
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And he said Lucy was her mother.
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We came from Lucy.
This was on PBS all around.
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American people said
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this is a profound
proof of evolution.
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But before his death he said,
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"No, we didn't
come from Lucy at all."
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Well, you know, it's interesting
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because this whole
idea, these harmaneds
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and the fossil record
like Lucy and the Handy Man
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and the Peaking
Man and Neanderthals.
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You know people view them
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as being our
evolutionary ancestors,
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but the fact of the matter is,
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almost everyone of
those has been rendered
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by evolutionary biologist.
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Yes. Side branches in dead ends.
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Nobody knows how that
evolutionary process happened.
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And it's total chaos
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and confusion
in that discipline.
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Absolutely, and
Leakey before his death said,
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not only do we no longer believe
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that Lucy was our ancestor,
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but it appears that man
came upon the scene suddenly
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and abruptly completely formed.
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Yeah, well, this is something
that is to me mind boggling,
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is that today, anthropologist
can look at genetic variation
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of people all over the world.
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And from that
draw information about
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the origin of humanity
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and to everyone's
surprise it looks like,
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everybody on the planet
based on genetic variability,
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can trace an origin back
to a single female individual.
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She's called Mitochondrial Eve
in the scientific literature.
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It's a bit amazing isn't it?
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They are using the
language of the Bible.
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I'm telling you. Exactly.
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Well, when Genesis 3:20
says, Adam named his wife Eve,
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she would become the
mother of every living person.
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That statement
is literally true.
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It's scientifically
demonstrably true.
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And every man can
trace an origin back
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to a single male individual
called Y Chromosome Adam.
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And you're
absolutely certain about this?
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This is throughout
the scientific literature,
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this has been
established and accepted
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since probably the mid
1990s, so it's amazing.
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Now evolutionary
biologists interrupt this,
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from within a
evolutionary framework,
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but if you step back and
say, what will we expect to see
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if the Bible is true
with respect to human origins?
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Well, expect to see
exactly these kind of results.
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We're talking to Dr. Fazale Rana
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from "Reasons to Believe"
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and we're talking
about the greatest hoax
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possibly in the
history of the human race,
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"The Theory of Evolution."
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Stay with us
because we'll be back.
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He's the only One who loves me
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So give me Jesus
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Because Jesus is all I need
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He's been my closest friend
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When no one seem to care
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Hello, there, I'm John Carter.
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You're tuned to
the Carter Report.
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My guest today is a
scientist Dr. Fazale Rana.
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Welcome back, Fuzz.
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Thank you, John, for having me.
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It's a privilege
to have you with us.
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I'm gonna read this statement
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and then I want
you to comment on this
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because this gets to
the heart of the matter.
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"Ignorant people
think all scientists
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are agreed about evolution."
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It's quite a statement.
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"This is not the
case. Thousands dispute it."
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I took this from
another scientist.
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Dr. Rana, Darwin had no idea
about the complexity of a cell?
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He thought it was just a blob
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and it come out of
the ocean or something.
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Now I want to
read you a statement
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and then I want you
to, to talk about this.
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I'm gonna quote
from a person that
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you know, "Michael Denton,
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physician and
molecular biologist."
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He says, "To grasp
the reality of life
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as it has been
revealed by molecular biology,
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we must imagine a cell,
a thousand million times."
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We've just, he got said,
we got to magnify a cell,
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a 1000 million times
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until it is 20 km's in diameter.
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So we blow the cell,
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that you can't see
with the naked eye.
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We blow it up a
1000 million times.
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He says, "It
resembles a giant airship
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large enough to
cover great city like
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London or New York."
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What we would then
see would be an object
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of unparalleled
complexity and adaptive design.
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On the surface of the cell,
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we would see
millions of openings."
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You know all about this.
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I don't know
anything about this.
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"Millions of openings.
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Like the portholes
of a vast spaceship,
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opening and closing
to allow continual stream
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of materials to flow in and out.
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If we were to enter
one of these openings
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we would find
ourselves in a world
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of supreme technology
and bewildering complexity.
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We would see endless
highly organized corridors
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and conduits
branching in every direction."
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Dr. Fuzz, is that
true? Would you comment?
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That is a beautiful analogy
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to the sheer
complexity in the elegance
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of that
complexity inside the cell.
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In fact, the
complexity and the elegance
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and the
sophistication and the ingenuity
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of the cells
chemistry convinced me
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that life must
come from a Creator.
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I was an agnostic when
I started graduate school
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studying biochemistry.
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And within 6 months,
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I recognized that
there had to be a Creator.
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And 6 months later I
converted to Christianity,
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but it's exactly
for the very description
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that you see
Michael Denton providing,
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that was rationale in my mind
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for why there
had to be a Creator.
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How tiny is the cell?
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The smallest cell would be
about 1 millionth of meter.
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And a meter is 39 inches. Yes.
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So it's a
millionth of that. Yeah.
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So you can't see it?
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You can't see it
with the naked eye.
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You can see it with a microscope
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or you do a
thousand fold magnification.
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You can see very, very--
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Very barely can discern
the cell, bacterial cell.
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Is the cell almost
as complex as the city?
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It's more complex than the city.
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It's more complex--
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In fact if you're
actually able to go like
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Michael Denton
describes inside the cell,
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you would see
incredible technology,
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but it would be
completely foreign to you.
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It would be so
sophisticated and so advanced
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that it would be mind boggling.
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Tell me about this
'cause this blows me away.
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Well, this is something
that keeps me awake at night
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when I think
about the implications.
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It keeps you awake? Yes.
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But in the last 10
years computer scientist
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and biochemist
have come to recognize
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that the way the cells
machinery manipulates DNA
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which is the information
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that the cell harbours,
the instructions with the cell.
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The way the cells
machinery manipulates it,
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is identical to how our
computer system functions.
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And in fact it's so
much like a computer system
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that there's a whole
area of nanotechnology
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called DNA computing,
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where scientists are literally
building computers using DNA
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in the cells
machinery and these computers
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are found in little test
tubes that are about that big
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called a Pandora test
tubes and they are more powerful
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than the most powerful
super computer system today.
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That's just a sampling
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of what you're
looking at inside the cell.
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It's amazing to think that,
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in life there are
these computer systems
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that only
recently we've figure out
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how to build ourselves
as, as human designers.
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It's totally mind boggling.
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But the way in which the
cells' machineries produce,
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this, this
elaborate assembled line
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that is so
sophisticated and so elegant,
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it would put the most
complex manufacturing operation
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that we've produced,
this human designers to shame.
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The technology is mind
boggling inside the cell.
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Now evolutionists say that
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they had a
certain period of time
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on planet earth
for this to happen?
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But the time even according
to the evolutionary theory,
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is not very long, is it?
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No, it's just a whisper of time
and when life appears on earth
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it appears suddenly
at the very first cell.
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As soon as the
earth can support life...
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Would Darwin have come out
with these theory of evolution,
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if he had a, a way
of viewing the cell?
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You know, you have to
think that he wouldn't,
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because in Darwin's
day as you mentioned,
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he just thought of the
cell is like a blob of jelly.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But when you,
when you appreciate
00:22:05.05\00:22:06.39
the complexity of
the cell, there's no way
00:22:06.42\00:22:09.02
that, that
complexity could come about
00:22:09.06\00:22:11.39
through the out workings
of evolutionary processes.
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So help me out of this.
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How can an evolutionist
and I'm sure a sincere man like
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Dr. Richard Dawkins and
we could mention others.
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How can they look at the
cell with all its complexity,
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and all the
information inside the cell
00:22:27.68\00:22:30.48
and say, it happened by itself?
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To me it's a
philosophical commitment
00:22:32.81\00:22:35.42
to a particular explanation,
00:22:35.45\00:22:37.72
namely an
evolutionary explanation
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for the origin of life.
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The evidence doesn't support it.
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In fact, a few-- Say it again.
00:22:43.16\00:22:44.86
The evidence doesn't support it.
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Yeah, the
evidence doesn't support
00:22:46.90\00:22:48.26
an evolutionary explanation
for the origin of life.
00:22:48.30\00:22:51.73
In fact if you press most
Origin of life researchers,
00:22:51.77\00:22:54.67
they will agree that
we have no explanation
00:22:54.70\00:22:57.31
for the origin of life.
00:22:57.34\00:22:58.67
In fact, they will acknowledge
00:22:58.71\00:23:00.34
that it really does
seem to be miraclous.
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Let me tell you a
really quick story.
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Hugh Ross and I, who
wrote Origins of Life together,
00:23:04.68\00:23:07.65
went to a Origin of Life
conference in Oaxaca Mexico,
00:23:07.68\00:23:11.79
as we're preparing
to right that book.
00:23:11.82\00:23:14.29
And the opening lecture
00:23:14.32\00:23:16.83
of the conference
of given by, name,
00:23:16.86\00:23:18.66
by man named Lesley Orgel
who died just a few years ago.
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But he was alive
he was considered
00:23:21.96\00:23:23.57
the premier origin
of life researcher.
00:23:23.60\00:23:25.73
He was like the godfather
00:23:25.77\00:23:27.50
in the origin of
life research community.
00:23:27.54\00:23:29.50
And he was given
the honor of giving
00:23:29.54\00:23:31.01
the opening lecture
to the entire conference.
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And he went through a detailed
list of all the problems
00:23:33.68\00:23:37.01
that are confronting
a particular explanation
00:23:37.05\00:23:39.85
for the origin of life
called the RNA World Hypothesis
00:23:39.88\00:23:43.42
and he stopped and he said,
00:23:43.45\00:23:45.45
"I sure hope they are no
creationist in the audience.
00:23:45.49\00:23:49.56
But it would be
miracle if a strand of RNA
00:23:49.59\00:23:53.03
ever appeared on
the primitive earth."
00:23:53.06\00:23:54.83
So it's not that
they acknowledge,
00:23:54.86\00:23:56.67
we don't have an explanation.
00:23:56.70\00:23:58.33
But in an honest
moments they will actually say,
00:23:58.37\00:24:00.67
it really does look
like it's a miracle.
00:24:00.70\00:24:02.97
So if you're a Christian
00:24:03.00\00:24:04.47
and you think God is responsible
00:24:04.51\00:24:06.24
for bringing
life into existence,
00:24:06.27\00:24:08.24
that is a robust
scientific conclusion.
00:24:08.28\00:24:11.35
So they accept their ideas
by a gigantic leap of faith.
00:24:11.38\00:24:15.78
Exactly.
00:24:15.82\00:24:17.15
And it's really a religion.
00:24:17.19\00:24:18.52
It's a religious commitment.
00:24:18.55\00:24:20.12
Yeah, so Richard
Dawkins is the high priest
00:24:20.16\00:24:22.79
of the great religious cult.
00:24:22.82\00:24:24.89
I think you could
think of it that way.
00:24:24.93\00:24:26.26
Where by you believe
not because of evidence,
00:24:26.29\00:24:28.86
but because you
got preconceived ideas
00:24:28.90\00:24:32.03
and you're a naturalist
and you believe in materialism.
00:24:32.07\00:24:35.87
And you don't want God to
get his in the foot in the door.
00:24:35.90\00:24:38.31
That's exactly right.
00:24:38.34\00:24:39.67
In fact, I would say that
it's a greater leap of faith
00:24:39.71\00:24:42.81
to think that evolution
00:24:42.84\00:24:44.25
generated the
very first life forms.
00:24:44.28\00:24:45.75
They were tremendous.
00:24:45.78\00:24:47.12
Than to think
that a creator did it.
00:24:47.15\00:24:48.52
The evidence is
actually substantiated.
00:24:48.55\00:24:51.95
So for me to
think that God did it,
00:24:51.99\00:24:54.56
is really a small
jump, compared to the leap
00:24:54.59\00:24:58.03
that evolutionists have to take.
00:24:58.06\00:24:59.39
These men are full of
faith. What is Panspermia?
00:24:59.43\00:25:02.56
Well, this is
kind of the loophole
00:25:02.60\00:25:05.27
that evolutionists are
appealing to get around
00:25:05.30\00:25:07.47
the fact that we can't explain
how life originated on earth.
00:25:07.50\00:25:11.01
The thought is well, maybe
life didn't originate on earth,
00:25:11.04\00:25:13.71
it just simply was
transported to earth
00:25:13.74\00:25:16.11
from some other location like
00:25:16.14\00:25:17.48
let's say, mars or Uranus.
00:25:17.51\00:25:18.91
But no proof.
00:25:18.95\00:25:20.28
Well, there's
absolutely no proof.
00:25:20.32\00:25:21.65
But you're just postponing
the problem to another place.
00:25:21.68\00:25:24.32
And it doesn't matter
whether it's on the earth
00:25:24.35\00:25:26.89
or on mars or any
other place in the universe,
00:25:26.92\00:25:29.56
the same problems
are gonna confront
00:25:29.59\00:25:31.56
in evolutionary explanation.
00:25:31.59\00:25:33.60
And so at the end of the day
you're forced into a position
00:25:33.63\00:25:37.43
whether you like it or not
00:25:37.47\00:25:38.97
that there has to be a
mind behind life's origin.
00:25:39.00\00:25:42.37
It seems to me
that NASA is driven by
00:25:42.40\00:25:46.57
a burning
desire to find evidence
00:25:46.61\00:25:48.94
of life out there in the stars.
00:25:48.98\00:25:51.21
That is also a
strong motivation of NASA
00:25:51.25\00:25:54.52
and that's how they justify
00:25:54.55\00:25:56.15
the money that
they are spending.
00:25:56.18\00:25:57.59
And because they have accepted
the idea of Neo-Darwinism,
00:25:57.62\00:26:04.29
they are smart enough to realise
00:26:04.33\00:26:05.89
there's not enough
time than this earth
00:26:05.93\00:26:08.00
for life to arise by itself
00:26:08.03\00:26:10.00
and therefore the next thing is,
00:26:10.03\00:26:12.60
that it arose on
Mars or somewhere else
00:26:12.63\00:26:14.40
out in the, out in the universe.
00:26:14.44\00:26:16.84
Yeah, that's it. That's it.
00:26:16.87\00:26:18.21
And then it was
transported here to earth.
00:26:18.24\00:26:20.24
And again it's just
simply trying to evade
00:26:20.28\00:26:23.18
a very serious
scientific problem
00:26:23.21\00:26:25.15
that they are confronted with
and maintain, again as you say
00:26:25.18\00:26:30.42
and I would agree
with a religious commitment
00:26:30.45\00:26:33.25
to a particular
philosophical view
00:26:33.29\00:26:35.62
that shapes, how they look
at the question of origins.
00:26:35.66\00:26:38.46
And that's why we
believe with all our hearts
00:26:38.49\00:26:41.96
after looking at the evidence
00:26:42.00\00:26:43.70
that Darwinism is
the world's biggest hoax.
00:26:43.73\00:26:47.80
Now we're gonna
keep moving along.
00:26:47.84\00:26:51.37
We'll start on this now
00:26:51.41\00:26:52.74
and then in our
next television program,
00:26:52.77\00:26:54.34
which we're gonna
link with this one,
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we're gonna take it up again.
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Tell me briefly, a little bit,
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just very briefly in 30 seconds
tell me about DNA and RNA.
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Essentially you can
think of the DNA and RNA
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as the information systems
in the cell that harbour,
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again all the
information that the cell needs
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to make its machinery
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and to carry out
all of its operations,
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but the information
content is mind boggling
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even in the simpler cell.
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It's a huge
amount of information
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and it's just so
elegant and sophisticated
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in terms of the way
that it's organized,
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in the way that it's structured.
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To me the DNA is one of the most
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powerful
evidences is for a creator.
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And it pushes
you back to the place
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where you're going to say,
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"Am I going to
believe the materialism
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because that's the philosophy?
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Or am I going to believe in God?
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And the evidence from
the cell and from astronomy
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and from geology,
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it all points to
a great Creator God
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and therefore you believe.
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Do you not? I do.
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I believe that God
exists because of the evidence,
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because of the
scientific evidence.
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You're not because of faith,
but because of the evidence?
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Faith must be
based upon evidence.
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We've been talking
today about the greatest hoax
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in the whole wide world,
that's the theory of evolution.
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You've been
listening to Dr. Fazale Rana
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an esteemed scientist.
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Please write to me today
at the address on the screen
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and until next time
this is John Carter saying,
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thank you and
God richly bless you.
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