The Carter Report presents
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"The Living
Word" around the world.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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Today liberty is being
attacked by the very people
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who say they're defending it.
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We have a special guest
today, his name is Alan Reinach
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whose mission in
life is to defend freedom
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that he believes is
under attack everywhere.
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Alan is the executive director
of the Church State Council
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right here in the
United States of America.
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Today Alan and I
are going to talk about
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Edwards Snowden's revelations,
about how loss of privacy...
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We could call this
segment of the program,
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"Beyond Big Brother."
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Did you know this?
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Listen carefully to this one,
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here in the
United States of America
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people are losing their
jobs because of their religion.
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We're gonna
talk about that also.
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Did you know that Protestantism
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is a dying religion in America?
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And yet Protestantism gave
us beliefs in religious freedom.
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What happens when
Protestantism goes?
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What will happen
to religious freedom?
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Going to talk about that soon.
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Also should Christian
churches and Christians
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be forced by the
government to participate
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in same-sex marriage?
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All this and much more
today on the Carter Report.
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Welcome today.
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Hi, I'm John Carter.
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My wife Beverly and I
were watching television
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the other night, watching
the news, American news.
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They told us that the church
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in North America
is actually shrinking.
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They said that
atheism is the fastest-growing
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religious movement
today in North America.
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And people are saying,
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what on earth can we
do to save the church?
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Well, of course,
Christ died for the church.
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He saved the church.
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But what they mean is
how can we keep the church
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as a vibrant force in the
world today, in Australia,
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in America, and in Europe,
and in the rest to the world?
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Let me tell you a little story.
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John Wesley was one
of the greatest preachers
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that the English-speaking
world has ever heard.
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John Wesley came upon the
scene of the church in England
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a few hundred years ago
when the church was dying.
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Like the church today,
it was a shrinking church
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but the people in the church
were in a state of denial.
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They refused to
accept the reality
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that the church was dying.
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John Wesley did something
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that other people
said couldn't be done.
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He revived the church
through public evangelism.
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Did you hear that?
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He started to preach
Christ, he preached the Bible,
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and he preached out
of doors and indoors
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and the church was saved.
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Not only did he
save a lot of souls,
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the souls of sinners, he
saved the souls of the saints.
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Please join me my
friend, in evangelism.
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It's what Jesus did.
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Write to me, John
Carter, Post Office Box 1900,
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Thousand Oaks, California.
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In Australia, write
to me at the address
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on the screen at,
Terrigal, in New South Wales.
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Join me, my friend,
in preaching Christ.
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Join me in public
evangelism around the world.
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Thank you, in Jesus' name.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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Attorney Reinach, Alan,
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we're delighted to
have you here with us today.
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And it's my
pleasure and privilege
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to be with you, John.
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You are an old
friend and an old guest
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on this program,
but not an old person.
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I don't like the old part.
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No, we'll leave that out.
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You and I today,
before we go any further,
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affirm the rights of all people.
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That's right.
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Right to be a
Muslim or a Christian
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or a Buddhist or a Hindu,
a Protestant or a Catholic.
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We also affirm
the rights of people
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to make definite choices
in the area of sexuality.
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Correct.
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Now you and I may not
believe in those choices
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but we believe that
every person has the right
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to be what he wants to be.
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We don't believe in everybody's
religious beliefs either
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but the genius of
America is that this is a place
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where people of
different values,
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different religious beliefs,
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different sexual orientation
can live together in peace,
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and all of us have
our rights respected.
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So what's all this
about the Freedom of Act
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in the Patriot Act which
is going before Congress,
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I think almost as we speak?
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You know it's
amazing to me, John,
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that after the
revelations of Edward Snowden
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about the extent
of government spying
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on not just people
abroad but on Americans.
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You and me?
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On you and me.
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Emails, telephone calls.
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That Congress is ready
to give back to the NSA
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some of the same powers
that they have been abusing
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up until now
spying on Americans.
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But Americans by nature
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and buy tradition
believe in freedom.
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What has happened
to the American person
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that he is prepared now
to ditch those great truths
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that he held dear for so long?
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I have to go back to that great
British novelist George Orwell
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and urge people to reread 1984.
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Yes.
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Orwell talked
about double speak.
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Yes.
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And now we have the Freedom Act
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which is an act to authorize
the government authorities,
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the intelligence community
to violate our freedom.
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Give me some illustrations.
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Well-- The Freedom Act.
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It's been widely reported
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that all of the
major internet companies,
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Google, Yahoo,
Facebook, et cetera,
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they're all letting the NSA
tap in and collect everything.
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They are scooping up everything,
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all our phone calls,
all of our phone data,
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all of our internet
data, everything that you do,
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your phone is a tracking device,
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everywhere you
go, everything you do
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is being
collected by the government.
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This is in the land of freedom.
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Why is it that so many Americans
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and others too, I'm sure,
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so quick to trade
freedom for temporary security?
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Why is this so?
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Well, obviously
they haven't heeded
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the wisdom of that wise
old American Ben Franklin
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who said those who
would trade eternal liberty
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for temporary
security deserve neither.
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And that's what
they're gonna get,
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they're going to get neither.
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Right.
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Alan, this is a story
you'll find hard to believe.
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I was talking as a pastor
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sometime back to a
member of my church
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and she had come from
Germany, it's a little girl.
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She was brought up
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when the Nazis
were ruling Germany.
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And she said to
me in her beautiful
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American-German accent,
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she said, if I've been
back there what else could I do?
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I would have to follow Hitler,
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she said, otherwise
I would lose my life.
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And so people seem to
be so quick to give up
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their freedoms for a little
bit of temporary security.
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But you know John,
this is what happens
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when fear becomes the
dominant political tool.
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Fear, fear, fear.
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How often do we
hear the word terror,
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terrorism, war on terrorism?
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And when you hear the
government declaring war
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on something like
drugs or terror understand
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that it's your
rights that are going to be
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the first casualty in this war.
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Where does this fit in
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with the great
American Constitution?
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Americans are tremendously
proud of their Constitution.
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I don't know too
many have you read it.
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You know, John, I
was sorely tempted
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if I could put
my hands on a copy
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and brought it here today,
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I would sit here
right now and tear it up
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in front of the cameras
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because that's what
the government has done.
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We had a shredding
machine, I would put it
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through the
shredder to demonstrate
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what our government has done
to our constitutional rights.
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Give me some specific instances.
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Fourth Amendment, right to be
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free of unreasonable
searches and seizures.
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Yes.
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Government is
supposed to have probable cause
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before they can
search your belongings,
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your emails, your phone calls.
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They're gathering all of this up
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without any probable
cause that any of us--
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Without a murmur.
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Correct. Yeah.
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So the Fourth
Amendment is basically dead.
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Did you hear that my
friend, the Fourth Amendment
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is virtually dead right here
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in the United States of America.
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Now this country once
upon a time prided itself
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on being a country
that believed in the Bible.
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Sola Christus is only
Christ and sola scriptura
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and therefore this country
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basically was
founded by Protestants.
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And Protestants gave to us
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the concept of
religious freedom.
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You did not have
religious freedom
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in the Roman Catholic countries.
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Is that true or false?
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That's pretty much true. Sure.
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Religious freedom
as a historical matter
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really is a development
of Protestant theology,
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of the notions--
of the notion of--
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So you know
justification by faith,
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that each person has the right,
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the obligation to have
a personal relationship
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with Jesus Christ through faith.
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His own priests before God.
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We didn't see Catholicism
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was predominantly communitarian.
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You're standing
in the community,
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you're standing before God,
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you know, you were
part of the community.
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Yes.
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Protestantism shifted the
focus from the church community
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to the individual personal
relationship with Jesus Christ
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and from that we
got a culture of respect
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for the rights
of the individual.
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Now, this is history,
we're not offending anybody,
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but traditionally the
Roman Catholic countries
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were totalitarian systems.
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Latin America, for generations
no religious freedom.
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Much to Europe,
no religious freedom
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because of the
policies of the great
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Roman Catholic Church.
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And America was
founded by people
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who came over here
because they wanted to set up
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a state without a king
and a church without a pope.
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In fairness you
have to realize that
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when there is a single
religion in a community
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often times that
religion exercises power
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and doesn't
extend freedom to others.
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And the same was true
in puritan New England.
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Yes, it was.
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It was when in the Great
Awakening flooded America
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with a
diversity of denominations
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that America realized well,
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we can't favor one over another,
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we don't want to battle between
all the different churches
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and religious freedom
was nail down and respected
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in our state and
federal constitutions.
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Is Protestantism
dying in America?
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It is. You know, there's a lot
of different aspects to this.
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When you go back to Jefferson's
Declaration of Independence,
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that all man are created
equal that we are endowed
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by our Creator with
certain in alienable rights,
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that's a protestant idea.
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Yes, it is.
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But human beings
have inherent dignity
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because we're created by God.
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Yes. Now in post-modern--
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And the state is the
servant of the people.
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Correct. Not the
other way around.
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And the state is
under judgment of God.
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There's somebody
that the state answers to.
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When you come to
a post-modern ethos
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and you cast of religion
the state no longer has anyone
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to answer to, power
becomes much more corruptible
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and there's no
philosophical foundation
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for human rights
and religious freedom.
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And today in the
United States of American
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people buy the drugs
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are leaving the
Protestant churches
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and are giving up
faith in the Bible.
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And if you were talk-- you know,
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I've spoken around the
world of vast audiences
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but when I've spoken in America
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and I've talked
about Martin Luther
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the vast majority thought
I was talking about that man,
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the African-American--
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The Civil Rights
Movement. Yeah, who was killed.
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And I said, I'm gonna
show a movie on Martin Luther.
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They said, will
be along to see about
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the Civil Rights Movement.
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Right.
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Now, Alan, we're going
to talk in the next segment
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about Mister Snowden,
was he a hero or a heretic?
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You're watching
the Carter Report,
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and we'll be back in a moment.
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Stay with us.
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God has His time and
His place for everything.
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And the time and the
place now is Latin America,
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including Cuba.
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Time Magazine talks about
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the second
Protestant reformation
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and describes how
hundreds of thousands
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even millions of Latinos
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are coming to
the gospel of Christ.
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I'm not an armchair theologians,
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I'm speeding
according to experience.
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I've seen it with my own eyes.
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Recently we went
down to El Salvador,
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there I spoke in the
largest football stadium
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in Central America
with the biggest crowd that,
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that football
stadium had ever, ever seen.
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They came not to
see a football match
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but to hear about
the Blood of Christ.
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Millions are coming
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to a knowledge of
God in Latin America.
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Doors are opening in Cuba.
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Who knows we may
be going to Cuba soon.
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As the doors open
by the grace of God
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we are going to
step through those doors
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and we want you to step
through those doors with us
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and be part of a team
for such a time as this.
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Please write to me
friend, don't put it off.
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Write to me, John Carter, 1900,
00:15:46.98\00:15:51.73
Thousand Oaks California 91358.
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In Australia, write to me
at Terrigal, New South Wales.
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Be part of the
second reformation,
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join us and see
the miracles of God.
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Amen.
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Welcome back to
the Carter Report.
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My special guest is
attorney Alan Reineck
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who is a specialist in
church-state relationships.
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Alan, welcome here today.
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Thank you, John.
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Snowden, let's
talk about Snowden.
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Now we don't
condone people stealing,
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stealing state
secrets or any of those things
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but tell me your
opinion, did Edwin Snowden
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do the course of
freedom a service?
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Is he a heretic or a hero?
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In my books Snowden is a hero
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Oh, you're a brave man
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because that's not
politically correct, is it?
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Well, I've never worried
about being politically correct.
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God bless you, Alan.
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That's why you're on
this program I think.
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You know, secrecy is
the enemy of democracy.
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Yes. Democracy--
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It's un-American.
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America is supposed to be
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in the words of Abraham Lincoln,
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one of our greatest presidents,
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"a government of,
by and for the people."
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But in the age of
our national intelligence
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we no longer have government of,
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by and for the people
because the people have no clue
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what our government is doing
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and the government
is not accountable.
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Yeah, but they
don't care, do they?
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Well, that's pretty sad.
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Yeah, but most
people don't seem to care.
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They say, give me security first
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and I don't care too
much about your liberties.
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Journalist were
interviewing Americans
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in Times Square and asking them
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if they knew who
Edward Snowden was.
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Yes.
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And most of them
did not even know.
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No.
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So we can't assume
that our listeners know
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that's Snowden is the one
who released a lot of documents
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about the extent of
NSA spying on Americans
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and on world leaders and
others in foreign countries.
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But programs that the American
people deserve to know about
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and deserve to have
a public debate about.
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That's why Snowden
wanted to start a public debate
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about the extent of
American spying activities.
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And Snowden said certain
things and he said, you know,
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the government has
been acting against--
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outside the law
or against the law.
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Well, I think
that's pretty clear.
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And only recently
the courts have declared
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in his favor on one
of these crucial points.
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Correct, that the
wholesale you know,
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obtaining of our phone records
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is a violation
of the constitution.
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Do you think that this fits
in some how into Bible prophecy?
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Well, I do, John.
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We see in the final
pages of earth's history
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to the extent that we
have hints in Bible prophecy,
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the complete and utter
demolition of human freedom.
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Yes, yes.
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And this is
part of parcel of it.
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You know, we were all
chilled back you know,
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50, 60 years ago or
longer depending upon your age
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when we first
read Orwell's 1984.
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But as you mentioned--
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Would you recommend
that people read that book?
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Oh, absolutely.
So tell us about it.
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We're so far
beyond Orwell's vision.
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And the name in the book? 1984.
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And you read the book friend,
you need to read it, 1984.
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But we're way beyond that
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in terms of the
government capacity
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to monitor your every movement
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and to have access
to all of your activity.
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So you believe the
government has gone too far
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in violating the
privacy of the citizens?
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You know, the thing that
I've often said in thinking
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about where we're at
here with our freedom John,
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is that you're only free
as long as you're irrelevant.
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As long as you're
completely irrelevant
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and meaningless then
you have nothing to fear
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from the government,
but as soon as you have
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something to say
that's important--
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You are free if
you are irrelevant
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Yes.
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So you know, if you want to-
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That must make a
lot of people feel good?
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If you want to be
blissfully irrelevant
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than you can
relax in your television
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induced slumber or your
beers or whatever it is,
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your drug of choice,
television is a drug.
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Do you think
we've been damning down
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America through
television and other--
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what shall we
call them, you know,
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the American
people are bombarded
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with so much stuff
and much of it is garbage.
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We're totally over medicated.
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Yes.
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Anti-depressions,
anti-anxiety, you know,
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sleeping pills, caffeine,
nicotine, alcoholic, marijuana.
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So who cares
about the constitution?
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Not too many.
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And then groups
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that are
defending it are blasted.
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Yes, yes.
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They considered to be
disloyal and unpatriotic
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to the flag whereas in
fact, they are standing up
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for America and standing
up for the constitution.
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How important Alan,
is the constitution?
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If we want to have
to preserve a culture
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where individuals have
freedom where we have rights,
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constitutions are foundation.
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But you see, the whole
culture is changing, is it not?
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We've got-- we're getting
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rid of the protestant culture
that gave birth to freedom
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and we have a new
culture of permissiveness
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where anything goes.
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Well, but in our postmodern
ethos there's no restraint
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on the
accumulation an abuse of power.
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And the media has been
dominated by large corporations
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that now own the media and
the same large corporations
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are the big financial
donors to the politicians.
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Yes.
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So there's not
really an independent press.
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What happened to democracy?
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Democracy is suffering.
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Tremendously so
because when people think that
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they go to the polling
booth and they put in their vote
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on the whole it doesn't
count for much at all, does it?
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Because you got big forces
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that are controlling
the political process
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and many of these forces
do not believe in freedom
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as we believe the
Constitution teaches.
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You know in the macro
sense, in the big picture sense,
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yes, I think you're right
but I don't want to be someone
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who sells cynicism and apathy.
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Americans are already apathetic
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and when it comes to
influencing specific bills
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and specific actions
everybody does have a voice
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and everybody
does have influence
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and people should not assume
00:23:05.31\00:23:07.68
that they don't
count and be apathetic.
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Let me put
something to you, you know,
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as well as I do
back in-- was it 1859,
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Charles Darwin
put out a book called
00:23:17.42\00:23:19.80
"On the Origin of Species"
and the end result of that book
00:23:19.83\00:23:25.57
became the death of God.
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God was not necessary
because we had a process
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that was call atheistic
evolution and therefore
00:23:31.93\00:23:35.45
God was not only demoted God
was sacked, God was executed.
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And somebody
said, the death of God
00:23:40.44\00:23:44.11
always leads to
the death of a man.
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And with the death
God and the death of a man
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does this contribute tremendous
00:23:51.26\00:23:54.37
to the erosion or
personal liberties?
00:23:54.40\00:23:56.56
Well of course it does.
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If human beings are not
created in the image of God
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and have inherent dignity then
who cares if we live or die?
00:24:02.67\00:24:07.06
Yes.
00:24:07.09\00:24:08.12
And so we have a
culture today of unbelief
00:24:08.15\00:24:11.72
that God is
demoted, God is abolished
00:24:11.75\00:24:14.57
and who cares what
is right and wrong.
00:24:14.60\00:24:17.38
And if this is so it's not
such a big step to go on say,
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not only is the
Bible irrelevant,
00:24:20.81\00:24:23.22
so is the American Constitution.
00:24:23.25\00:24:26.44
But you know, put
this into perspective
00:24:26.47\00:24:28.71
of a secular person.
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Yes.
00:24:30.24\00:24:31.27
The reason why religious
freedom is so tenuous today
00:24:31.30\00:24:35.74
is because religion
itself is increasingly regarded
00:24:35.77\00:24:41.23
as either a
harmless myth at best
00:24:41.26\00:24:44.44
or very dangerous at its worst.
00:24:44.47\00:24:47.60
So why protect religious freedom
00:24:47.63\00:24:50.25
if you just protecting
people's rights to believe
00:24:50.28\00:24:52.67
a myth that could
in fact be dangerous.
00:24:52.70\00:24:55.60
And so you and I believe
00:24:55.63\00:24:57.59
that this book can be
demonstrated to be true?
00:24:57.62\00:25:01.27
Oh, absolutely.
00:25:01.30\00:25:02.53
We believe that there
is tremendous evidence
00:25:02.56\00:25:05.64
to show that
there is a creator God.
00:25:05.67\00:25:08.65
We talk about the
anthropic principle
00:25:08.68\00:25:11.69
that everything in the universe,
00:25:11.72\00:25:13.60
everything in the world
has been designed for you,
00:25:13.63\00:25:18.39
for the human
being and therefore
00:25:18.42\00:25:21.35
we believe that
there is a God who made us.
00:25:22.24\00:25:23.78
And if God made
us, man is distinct
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in glorious and
freedom is a marvelous thing.
00:25:26.45\00:25:29.43
Alan, is there not a fine
line between combating terrorism
00:25:29.46\00:25:35.51
and the rights of the
citizens to maintain privacy?
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Well, that line
has been crossed.
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I don't think it's a fine line,
00:25:43.71\00:25:45.39
I think that
crossing that line--
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So it's a big black line?
00:25:48.00\00:25:50.70
The line has been erased.
00:25:50.73\00:25:52.41
We have principles
in the Fourth Amendment.
00:25:52.44\00:25:57.07
You go after people that
you have reason to suspect,
00:25:57.11\00:26:01.24
you don't go after people
that you have no probable cause
00:26:01.27\00:26:04.74
to suspect but that
line has been obliterated
00:26:04.77\00:26:07.98
and now they're
gathering up everything.
00:26:08.01\00:26:10.61
And so if anybody wants
to abuse that information,
00:26:10.64\00:26:14.92
you know, if the hackers
can hack into the White House
00:26:14.95\00:26:18.55
and if they can hack
into our large media companies
00:26:18.58\00:26:22.06
you don't think
they're gonna be hacking
00:26:22.09\00:26:23.48
into the NSA as well and
all of this data you know,
00:26:23.51\00:26:28.26
once its
accumulated we're all at risk.
00:26:28.29\00:26:31.96
Why is it that
some of the advocates
00:26:31.99\00:26:35.89
of the getting rid
of the constitution,
00:26:35.93\00:26:39.46
they don't say quite like that,
00:26:39.49\00:26:41.06
but some of the
advocates are the Christians?
00:26:41.09\00:26:44.86
You know I don't
know that the Christians
00:26:44.89\00:26:46.90
are so much saying that I
think that there's in philosophy
00:26:46.93\00:26:51.61
tremendous
support for our rights
00:26:51.64\00:26:54.02
but in practice
there's tremendous support
00:26:54.05\00:26:57.16
for the
authorities, for the military,
00:26:57.19\00:27:01.91
for our security agencies.
00:27:01.94\00:27:04.43
You see there is this assumption
00:27:04.46\00:27:06.78
that America is the good guy
and pretty much does no wrong.
00:27:06.81\00:27:12.72
Well, of course
America has been the good guy
00:27:12.75\00:27:15.48
and America has been the
great defender of freedom.
00:27:15.51\00:27:19.02
Now, my friend,
watching the Carter Report today
00:27:19.05\00:27:22.41
with Alan Reineck,
this great attorney,
00:27:22.44\00:27:25.69
I just want you to get
behind this and write to us
00:27:25.72\00:27:29.65
and support this work,
support the cause of freedom
00:27:29.68\00:27:32.92
I say to you today.
00:27:32.95\00:27:34.66
Write to me John
Carter, Post Office Box 1900,
00:27:34.69\00:27:38.49
Thousand Oaks, California 91358.
00:27:38.52\00:27:41.67
In Australia,
write to me at Terrigal.
00:27:41.70\00:27:44.73
And we're going to put up
Alan Reineck's address too,
00:27:44.76\00:27:47.68
he's at Westlake
Village just a few miles
00:27:47.71\00:27:50.51
from our office
here in Moorpark,
00:27:50.54\00:27:52.67
write to Alan Reineck and
stand for the cause of truth,
00:27:52.70\00:27:57.53
defender
freedom, defend the Bible,
00:27:57.56\00:28:00.92
my friend, defend the
American Constitution.
00:28:00.95\00:28:05.14
And remember what our
Lord Jesus Christ said,
00:28:05.17\00:28:08.36
you know the text, Alan,
00:28:08.39\00:28:10.42
because you believe in
Jesus the same as I do.
00:28:10.45\00:28:12.72
Jesus, our blessed Lord said,
00:28:12.75\00:28:15.79
you will know the truth.
00:28:15.82\00:28:19.74
What about it?
00:28:19.77\00:28:20.80
And the truth
shall set you free.
00:28:20.83\00:28:22.40
And the truth
shall set you free.
00:28:22.43\00:28:26.93
Now, we're going
to see you next time
00:28:26.96\00:28:29.82
when Alan and I
continue this conversation.
00:28:29.85\00:28:32.96
Until now God bless you.
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