From Arcadia, California,
the Carter report presents,
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the Living Word
around the world.
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Hello friend, I'm John Carter.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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We have a great program for you.
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My special guest
is Dr. Jeff Zweerink.
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He is an astrophysicist
with a great organization
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entitled "Reasons to Believe."
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A group of scientists
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dedicated to scientific research
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that explores the
wonders of the universe
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and asks the question,
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how did it all happen?
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Welcome today to
the "Carter Report."
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I wish you'd come
with me to a land of more
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than a billion souls,
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all in need of
hearing the gospel of Christ.
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Did you know this my, friend,
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it is the duty of the Christian
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to take the gospel of
Christ to our lost world?
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And the lost world I'm talking
about right now is India,
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land of millions and
millions of pagan gods
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but more than a
billion lost souls.
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India cries out for God.
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We are now back on India TV.
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We're broadcasting
on prime time in India.
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We need your
prayers, we need your support.
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Is it easy in India?
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No, it's a hardest
place we've ever worked.
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Harder than
Russia? Harder than Russia.
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Harder than
America? Harder than America.
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Harder than Australia?
Harder than Australia.
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Because it is a land
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that's given over
almost totally to demonism.
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Now I can tell you
about those demons,
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I can tell you
about the false gods,
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but what I want to tell you
today is about the true God,
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and the true God who
told us go into all the world
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and preach the
gospel to every creature.
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We're back in India.
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Yes, we're back in India.
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By the grace of God,
we're back in India to stay.
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We want you to come with us.
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We want you to pray for India.
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We want you to give
for India and do it today.
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Please write to me, John Carter,
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Post Office Box 1900,
Thousand Oaks, California.
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Write to me at
Terrigal in Australia.
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Email me,
contact me, and say, yes,
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I'm going to stand with you
in the preaching of the gospel
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to the lost souls of India.
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Thank you in Jesus'
name and God bless you.
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Well, we're really glad
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that you've joined us
today at the Carter Report.
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Today we are talking about
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the wonders of
our amazing universe.
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Dr. Jeff, we are glad
to have you here today.
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Very good to be
here, Pastor Carter.
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You are an astrophysicist.
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That is correct.
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What is an astrophysicist?
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As briefly as I could say
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it's a person who goes
out and just ask the question,
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how does the
universe work the way it does
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and what can we learn about it.
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So we--
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Wow.
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Used-- developed different tools
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and try and figure out
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what's going on
out in the universe
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and how does it work?
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That must be the
most interesting job
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in the whole wide world?
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It really is.
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After mine.
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After you.
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Now just kidding. Just kidding.
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So that's what you do?
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It is. It's a lot of fun.
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Yes and it's
tremendously important.
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I would agree, yes.
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Because it's dealing
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with the greatest
questions of time and eternity.
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Where did the
universe come from?
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Why are we here?
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And eventually
where are we going?
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So we are delighted
to have you here today
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from "Reasons to Believe."
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Where did you study?
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I did my
undergraduate and graduate
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both at Iowa State
University in Ames, Iowa.
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I was graduated
with a physics degree
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and then I went on to
get a degree in astrophysics
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from the same school.
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When you studied astrophysics,
what did you major in?
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Well, like I said my
major was physics and so
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I do physics with the
telescope as what it amounts to.
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So a lot of the work I
did was working on building
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and calibrating and operating
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a gamma ray
telescope down in Arizona
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trying to find sources of
gamma rays in the universe.
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Now, Dr. Hugh Ross,
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your associate at
"Reasons to Believe"
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he is an astronomer.
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Correct.
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How do you different
your work to Dr. Ross?
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Fundamentally there
is no real difference.
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We use different
wavelengths of light
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to do our observations.
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He use radio wavelengths,
I use gamma ray wavelengths
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but both of us are going out,
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looking out in
the cosmos and saying,
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what's going on out
there and how do we understand?
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Now this is-- this is
tremendously important
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because today we live in a world
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where many people have
lost the reason for living.
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Suicide, somebody has said
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has become the
badge of our despair.
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Because of the meaninglessness
in our present day society
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because people have
accepted the Darwinian idea,
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that man is the product of
time plus matter plus chance.
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But we joined forces
with you today in saying
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that life has got meaning
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because there is something
far more to the universe
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than meets the eye.
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Is science compatible
with the story of the Bible?
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I asked that
question because people like
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Dr. Richard Dawkins
from Oxford University says,
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you can't believe
a word of the Bible,
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you can't believe in God.
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God is the God delusion.
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He has written
books on stuff like this.
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You are an educated person,
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so I want to say
to the young people
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who are watching
the Carter Report today,
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listen up because you're
gonna find out some things
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that are going to help
you in a tremendous way
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and give you a
purpose in living.
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Now, Dr. Jeff, is in your study,
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is the Bible, this book here
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that I treasure and I
believe, you treasure too.
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Is it compatible with,
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with what you discover
in the world of nature?
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I can say that in 25, 30 years
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that I've been studying physics
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and trying to
understand the universe
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and roughly same amount of time
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that I've been
studying scripture
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I've never found anything
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that is a genuine
contradiction between it.
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So yes, I find that science
very much does support the idea
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that God has revealed
Himself through the scriptures.
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Now, is it not true
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that science and
theology are in conflict today?
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Science and
religion are in conflict
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but not nature and the Bible.
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I would say that some scientists
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want to make science conflict
with religion or Christianity.
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But science is
changing all the time.
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Well, we are getting a
deeper and deeper understanding.
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There are certain things
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that we know to be
true of the universe
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and as we get deeper and deeper,
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we find these details
and certain things do change
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but the big picture
is remarkably constant.
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but we would not want
to deify science would we--
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No, I don't agree.
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a few years ago
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Einstein and all the scientists
believed in the steady-
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state theory for the universe.
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That's correct,
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that was the
prevailing model at the time.
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Yeah.
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And so if we'd live back
there we would have said,
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well, here you got science
and here you got scripture
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and there is a conflict here,
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but science has
moved on from there
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and therefore but however,
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would you believe that
God gave us two great books
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and not all
Christians like to hear this,
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but God gave us two great books.
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He gave us this
divine revelation
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of Himself in Holy Scripture.
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We believe in the
great Protestant principle
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in the Carter Report.
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We believe in "Sola
Christus, Only Christ."
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"Sola
Scriptura, Only Scripture."
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"Sola gratia, Only
Grace." "Sola Fide, Only Faith."
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So God gave us this book
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but He also gave
us the book of nature.
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Absolutely.
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And nature when
rightly read by people like you
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tell us the same
story as the Word of God.
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Yes, I agree.
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As far as the origin of
the human race is concerned.
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Genesis 1:1, it has been
said by many great scientists,
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many scholars and theologian,
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they have the most,
the most important sentence
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or the most important few words.
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"In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth."
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Right.
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And so Moses in the
Book of Genesis tells us
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that there was a
time when in the beginning
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God created the
cosmos, all the universe,
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the heavens and the earth.
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So the Bible points
to a time of a beginning.
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Is there anything in
science that supports the idea
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that the cosmos had a beginning?
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I would say very much so.
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You know,
what's remarkable as it
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if you go back 100 years ago
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and ask that question,
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then scientists
would have said no,
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the universe
didn't have a beginning.
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But when you look over major--
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Only 100 years? Only 100 years.
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Or less?
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You know, so you go and
then you look at Einstein's
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development of his
theory of general relativity.
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He says that constant
laws govern the universe.
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Hubble measures the
expansion of the universe.
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Yes. Yes.
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We measure these laws of decay
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where the
universe is running down,
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we measure the
cosmic microwave background.
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All of those point to--
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when you do all the calculations
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and ask what is the conclusion?
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It points to the idea that
the universe began to exist.
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I understand that
there is a picture
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of Hubble having a
meeting with Einstein.
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Correct.
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And he is showing Einstein
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the evidence for the
expansion of the universe.
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Right.
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Because up to this point of time
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while Hubble had believed
in expansion of the universe,
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Einstein found
this idea disconcerting
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that the universe
should be exploding out.
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But either it's exploding
out as Hubble pointed out
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and Einstein
later came to believe
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that virtually ever scientist
believes today, I understand.
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If it is exploding out
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it's proof that
it had a beginning.
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Very much so.
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In fact I would
argue the evidenc
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of how strong that beginning is,
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as the scientists have
looked for a lot of ways saying,
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did it really have a beginning?
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And they have
tried all sorts of ways.
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Maybe the
expansion is not uniform,
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maybe this, maybe that.
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And all of those
answers come back
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and say no, there
really was a beginning.
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It's a remarkable, remarkable
scientifically sound statement
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that the
universe began to exist.
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Now, I want to say this
to my Christian friends,
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who watch the television program
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and who are suspicious
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when they hear the
term the "Big Ban."
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They say, oh,
that's got to be evolution.
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Well, of course,
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you and I know it's got
nothing to do with evolution.
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And in fact, it's one
of the greatest evidences
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against evolution.
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Because to have evolution,
you got to have infinite time
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virtually but when you
have a universal started
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only so many years ago
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it shows that
evolution can't work.
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Now this idea is called
of course, the "Big Bang."
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Tell me a little
bit about the "Big Bang"
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and how this
seems in your thinking
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as a cosmologist and a scientist
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how it seems to
support scripture?
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Well, there is three or four
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fundamental attributes
of a "Big Bang" universe.
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One is that it has a beginning.
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Two, is that it's expanding.
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Three, is that
it is cooling down
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and that's just a
direct consequence of expansion
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under constant laws of physics.
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And four, is that
there is this law of decay.
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Well, you look at our universe
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and scientifically speaking
the universe began to exist.
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It's expanding,
it's cooling down
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and it's got this
constant law of decay.
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So I would say, you know,
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Bible talks about a
big bang type universe
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and we measure a
big bang type universe.
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If God is the revelation
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or the source of the
revelation in the book of nature
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and the book of
scripture that's exactly
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we would expect to find
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where they talk
about the same thing,
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they are gonna agree.
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So, I want to say to the
people who are watching today,
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I want to say, listen to this.
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Science today is giving us
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tremendous
evidence to believe in God
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and believe in the Bible.
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You would agree
with this, wouldn't you?
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Wholeheartedly agree.
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And this is what your research,
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I want the young people
who doctored to understand
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that your
research as a scientist
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has led you to
believe in the truth
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that the Bible can be trusted.
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It has given me great confidence
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that the Bible is indeed
the revealed word of God.
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I could almost say hallelujah.
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Now, we are gonna
have a little break,
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my watching audience.
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Then we are going to
come back in a minute or so
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and we are going to talk
about the entropic principle
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and don't dismiss it
because it may save your soul.
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I would like you
to get this magazine
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it's called Ebenezer.
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It's the Carter Report
magazine that we put out.
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It's got lots of
good stuff in it.
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Now it's free but
you got to write to us,
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contact us, write to me,
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we would like to
give this book to you.
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Stay with us, we'll
be back in a moment.
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Did you ever have
a sense of destiny?
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Did you ever feel that
God has put His hand upon you
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for some tremendous task
that you really got a purpose,
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that God is called you
for such a time as this?
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I have that sense,
that conviction today
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because God is opening up
doors for us in Latin America.
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And in Latin
America, my good friend,
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there is a revolution going on.
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It's not a
revolution in the streets.
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It is a revolution in
the hearts of men and women.
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That's why the Carter Report
is going to go to El Salvador.
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We are renting
an outdoor stadium
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with room for
more than 60,000 souls
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and we're
planning a baptism in the--
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on the Sabbath
afternoon of more than
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5,000 born again souls
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in El Salvador,
in Latin America,
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where there is a
revolution going on,
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where the Holy
Spirit is being poured out.
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Don't you want to be a
part of this great purpose,
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this great task, this
God designed outreach,
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the Latin America.
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Would you please write to me,
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John Carter,
Post Office Box 1900,
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Thousand Oaks, California.
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Tell me, I'm
going to support you.
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Write to me in
Australia, tell me,
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I'm going to support
the preaching of the gospel.
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Write to me today and support
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the preaching of the
Word of God around the world,
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but right now in Latin America.
Thank you and God bless you.
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Welcome back, friends.
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We are talking to Dr. Jeff,
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from "Reasons to
Believe" an astrophysicist.
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Dr. Jeff, I've heard
about the entropic principle.
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You and I know it's
tremendously important.
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Tell us, tell me,
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tell the audience
about the entropic principle.
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What is it? Why
is it so important?
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I think the way I would
characterize it is this,
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it's basically
it's a recognition
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that when we
look at the universe,
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we see that it seems like
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it's designed
for life to be here.
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Designed?
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Yes, I would say designed.
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Oh, well, designed.
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Yes.
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So, you know, when we look at,
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how the laws of
physics work for example.
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You know, if we are
gonna talk about having life,
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you got to have certain elements
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or certain things have to exist.
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You got to have water for one,
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you got to have carbon for one.
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When you, when you then
go and scientists go look at,
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how do the laws
of physics operate,
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they can ask the question,
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what happens if things
were little bit different?
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And it turns out
that if you tweak
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the laws of
physics just a little bit,
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there is no hydrogen
left in the universe.
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While with no
hydrogen there is no water.
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You know, H2O,
because H is hydrogen.
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So little tweaks and you get
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no hydrogen left in the universe
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or if it's set up so that
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the carbon is all
formed basically in stars
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and there is kind
of two or three steps
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that if again if the
laws of physics were just
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a little bit different,
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no carbon would
form in the universe.
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And so if you have no
carbon or no hydrogen,
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you certainly not gonna
get life in the universe.
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And so when we look
at the laws of physics,
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they look like they are designed
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for life to be here
and there is examples
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when you look at
the types of galaxies
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and what kinds of
stars and even the chemistry
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that goes on in the very
cells of life themselves.
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A lot of fine tuning?
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Lots of fine tuning.
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Yes, you know, one
thing, one place for it shows up
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that I think
it's just fascinating
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is that when we
look at the genetic code,
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you know, the thing
that we just recently decoded
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of how does, how do life--
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the backbone of
life if you will.
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When you look at this,
it's actually a computer code
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that it operates a certain
way that those letters tell
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things in the cells to
do things the certain way.
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What is remarkable is
that it lives in era--
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we live in a environment
where that code can get changed
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but you can do
research and ask the question
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how good does that
code work in spite of errors
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that might crop up.
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And it turns out that the code
is literally one in a million.
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I mean, we can look
at a million other codes
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and the genetic
code in all of life
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that all uses the
same genetic code is better
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than a million other codes.
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That looks like it's designed.
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I'm told that in a human being--
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set me right on this.
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There are three half,
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3.4 billion bits of information.
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That's right, that's how
long the genetic code is, yes.
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That makes up the code of life.
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Correct.
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For humans that changes
for different animals but--
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Not for humans?
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Right.
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And Francis Collins called it
I think "The Language of God."
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Right.
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This is rather powerful
evidence that there is a design
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and that we are not
a product of time plus
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matter plus chance.
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Is it not so?
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I think it
certainly points to there
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being a mind behind all of this.
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You know, I got a cell phone,
most people carry cell phones.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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What I find
remarkable about these
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is that really building
a phone is not that hard.
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But if you wanted
to work when it's cold
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and when it's hot and
after it's been dropped
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and when you go up
in an airplane and down
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there is a lot of
things you have to do
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to make sure that
these errors creep in,
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it works the way it supposed to.
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Well, because this phone works
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we look and say, wow,
this is a product of a mind.
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Something made
this with a purpose.
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Well, when we look
at the genetic code,
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I see that same sort of thing.
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All these errors
that could pop up
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and the genetic code works
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incredibly well
almost all the time.
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You know, not only that,
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you know, I'm a
computer programmer
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and I write fairly
sophisticated computer code.
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I'm sure you do.
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What I find is that
my codes are very simple
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compared to what's
going on in the genetic code.
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Because not only does
the code work reliably,
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it has multiple layers of code.
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It's kind of like every program
I wrote take every tenth letter
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and that's a whole
program in and of itself.
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And so there is these all
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multiple layers
of code built in.
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I mean, not that it--
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I mean, you just
look at things like that
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and says that looks like
there is a mind behind this.
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I think that's just fascinating
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that it looks like
it's the product of a mind.
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I heard a debate or saw a debate
00:21:23.34\00:21:25.29
between Dr. Richard
Dawkins and Dr. John Lennox.
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Dr. Lennox I thought made
a telling point when he said,
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"People today seem
to be talking about
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nothing all the time."
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Because if you
believe Dr. Dawkins
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and others who are atheist,
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then the universe
started with nothing.
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Either you have
somebody, an intelligent being
00:21:48.69\00:21:52.31
that designed
this marvelous universe
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or else you go back
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and you say well,
it started by nothing.
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Now, help me here,
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I understand
that in a millisecond
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after the point of creation
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that scientist
called the "Big Bang."
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Right.
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There were I think four
forces that came into being.
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Yes.
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Whether it's the gravity,
the electromagnetic force
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and then two forces
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that operate
inside atomic nuclear.
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Is that the
strong nuclear force?
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And the weak nuclear force.
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And the weak nuclear force?
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Correct.
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Now they were
somewhat in a delicate balance,
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weren't they?
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Very much so, yes.
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You know, if
gravity were a bit stronger
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then the universe
would have collapsed
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before it grew too large.
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When you say a bit stronger
it's a tiny amount, isn't it?
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Just a very tiny amount.
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Especially very
early in the universe,
00:22:41.45\00:22:43.10
it had to be an
exclusively fine tuned them out
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or else the universe would have
just collapsed back on itself.
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And so you got
these incredible figures.
00:22:48.70\00:22:53.65
I'm told they go into
the trillions, you know,
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one quadrillionth of a
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quadrillionth of
a quadrillionth--
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I said this to your
colleague Dr. Ross and I said,
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thinking I was
being pretty knowledgably.
00:23:04.03\00:23:05.85
I said,
quadrillionth of a quadrillionth
00:23:05.88\00:23:07.70
and he said, no, there
is another quadrillionth.
00:23:07.73\00:23:09.21
There is another
quadrillionth, right.
00:23:09.24\00:23:10.27
Of one percent.
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Yes.
00:23:11.36\00:23:13.10
And so it seems to
me as it does to Lennox
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and to your
colleagues and to others
00:23:18.40\00:23:20.86
who thought these issues through
00:23:20.89\00:23:23.07
that these things could not
have happened by blind chance.
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We must be more than
time plus matter plus chance.
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Now I understand that
you have done a lot of study
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with the multiverse theory?
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Correct.
00:23:39.56\00:23:40.59
What is the multiverse theory?
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Well, basically it's
the idea that our universe
00:23:42.51\00:23:45.80
is just one amongst the
whole bunch of them out there.
00:23:45.83\00:23:48.99
You know, and we've talked
here about how it looks like,
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you know, the universe very much
00:23:51.09\00:23:52.89
appears to have the beginning,
00:23:52.92\00:23:54.16
that's what the
scientific evidence
00:23:54.19\00:23:56.40
seems to indicate at this point.
00:23:56.43\00:23:58.02
And the universe
very much looks like
00:23:58.05\00:24:00.24
it's designed for us to be here.
00:24:00.27\00:24:02.58
And, you know, one of the things
00:24:02.61\00:24:04.55
that the multiverse does,
00:24:04.58\00:24:05.67
it says well, maybe there's
a bunch of universes out there,
00:24:05.70\00:24:07.94
so all of this design
isn't real designed at all.
00:24:07.97\00:24:11.37
Maybe it's just--
00:24:11.40\00:24:13.65
we just happen to get very lucky
00:24:13.68\00:24:14.99
and the beginning is
really nothing special.
00:24:15.02\00:24:17.01
It's kind of like Sunday
it's the beginning of the week,
00:24:17.04\00:24:18.98
but there is gonna be
another beginning next week.
00:24:19.01\00:24:21.47
And so my research
into the multiverse
00:24:21.50\00:24:23.86
was asking the question,
if the multiverse exists
00:24:23.89\00:24:26.83
does it mean
there is no beginning
00:24:26.86\00:24:28.11
and does it mean
there is no design?
00:24:28.14\00:24:29.90
I can give you the
bottom line answer is that,
00:24:29.93\00:24:31.65
even in the multiverse it still
looks like there is a beginning
00:24:31.68\00:24:34.65
and it still looks
like it's designed.
00:24:34.68\00:24:36.88
Well, if you have
one universe like ours
00:24:36.91\00:24:39.72
or if you have a
trillion universes
00:24:39.75\00:24:42.60
you still come back
to the basic question,
00:24:42.63\00:24:45.18
where did it come from?
00:24:45.21\00:24:46.59
I think that's a very
fundamental question, yes.
00:24:46.62\00:24:48.84
Is it not true that
the pagans used to have
00:24:48.87\00:24:51.21
their foolish pagan gods
00:24:51.24\00:24:53.51
and I would tell the followers
00:24:53.54\00:24:57.23
the universe
everything came from these gods,
00:24:57.26\00:25:00.40
you know,
inanimate things but every--
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this what the Egyptians said,
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everything came from these gods.
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Now today we
have people telling us
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the universe and everything
it didn't come from the gods
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but it came from nothing.
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Well, some astro--
or some scientists.
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Some scientists? Yes.
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Some scientists.
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Yes, those who don't
believe in the creator God.
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Well, it's because they
recognize a fundamental point
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is that if the
universe began to exist
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something must have
caused that beginning.
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Some of them do not like
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the idea that it might
have been a personal God
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so they are trying to say
maybe something existed forever
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that is impersonal, it's not God
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but something else
has existed forever,
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because that's where you--
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that's where you're
forced to that conclusion.
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I was reading yesterday
about the idea of Charles Darwin
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and when he started
this idea of evolution
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about 150 years ago,
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my sources said this,
very few scientists believed
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at what he was
saying was scientific
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but the idea
caught on was because
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it was such a wonderful idea.
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It was a wonderful idea
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because it made us
autonomous from the Creator.
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And man was there
for his own little master
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and he could do his own thing.
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Is it not possible
today that many people choose
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not to believe the evidence
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because it is not convenient
for them to believe this?
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I certainly
think that does go on.
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I mean, you know, again if
you look at what scripture says,
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in Romans it says, what
is evident about God is clear
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but men choose to suppress it.
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And so I think there are
very much some scientists
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who do not want
there to be a God.
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In fact, some are so
candid as to say that.
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And so they are
forced to only adopt models
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that don't have any
sort of God in them.
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You're a scientist,
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what is your personal
faith in Christ all about?
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My personal faith
in Christ is that,
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I truly believe
that God is the Creator.
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That He has set up
this world in a certain way
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that humanity
chose to reject God
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and the only way to
restore that relationship
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is through Christ
death on the cross.
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The reason why I believe that is
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because I'm
convinced that is the truth
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and whatever else I'm
doing, I want to have faith,
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I want to choose to
believe what is true
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and as I studied the
science and I studied scripture,
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I'm convinced
that that is the truth.
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And Dr. Jeff, we say amen
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and we thank God for
you and for others like you.
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We want to thank
you for joining us today
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We pray that God
is going to bless you
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put this into your hands
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our most recent
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Here are some of the
articles, Can Bad Be Good,
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Nothing Too Hard for
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00:27:48.81\00:27:52.45
Why They Buried the
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for the privilege of
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