From Arcadia, California,
the Carter Report presents
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The Living Word
around the world.
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Hello friend, my
name is John Carter.
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I'm the president
of the Carter Report.
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And I'm so glad
that you joined us today
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for this animated
discussion on religious liberty.
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My special
guest is Alan Reinach.
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You'll be glad
you joined us today.
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I wish you'd come with me
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to a land of more
than a billion souls
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all in need of
hearing the gospel of Christ.
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Did you know this my friend,
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it is the duty of the Christian
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to take the gospel of
Christ to our lost world?
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And the lost world I'm talking
about right now is India,
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land of millions and
millions are pagan god's
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but more than a
billion lost souls.
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India cries out for God.
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We are now back on India TV
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by broadcasting on
primetime in India.
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We need your
prayers, we need your support.
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Is it easy in India? No.
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It's the hardest
place we've ever worked.
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Harder than
Russian? Harder than Russian.
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Harder than
America? Harder than America.
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Harder than Australia?
Harder than Australia.
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Because it is a
land that's given over
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almost totally to demonism.
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Now I could tell
you about those demons.
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I could tell you
about the false gods,
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but I want to tell you today
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is about the true God
and the true God who told us,
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go into all the world
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and preach the
gospel to every creature.
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We're back in India.
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Yes, we're back in India
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and by the grace of God
we're back in India to stay.
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We want you to come with us.
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We want you to pray for India.
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We want you to give
for India and do it today.
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Please write to me,
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John Carter, P.O. Box 1900,
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Thousand Oaks, CA 91358.
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Write to me at
Terrigal, Australia,
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email me, contact me and say
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"yes, I'm going
to stand with you
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in the preaching of the gospel
to the lost souls of India."
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Thank you in Jesus
name and God bless you.
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Alan, we're
honored and delighted
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to have you here today
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and we're glad that you
joined the Carter Report
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for this animated
discussion on religious liberty.
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The privilege is mine, John.
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Glad to be with you.
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Alan, what is
the most important,
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the individual or the state?
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Here in America, we
have always believed
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that it's the individual.
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Amen.
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Is it true today?
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No, sorry to say we live in
the national security state.
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Everything has
changed, the individual,
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I mean its, look-
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Do you think
Americans know about this?
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No.
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If you are in China
and you're in a country
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where you're
trying to hold together
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a society of 1.3 billion people,
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I can understand
where you're looking
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at keeping the
whole thing together
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is more important
than each individual.
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But the whole
premise of the United States
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has a Protestant foundation.
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And you know the
Protestant genius
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was to rediscover a personal
relationship with Jesus Christ.
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That Christ died for each one
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and wants to have a
relationship with you
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and that you can have
our relationship with God
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through faith in Jesus Christ.
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You can read the
Bible for yourself
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out of the revolution
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that was the
Protestant Reformation
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we discovered
that the individual
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has real significance,
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not just the
community of the church
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or the community of the state
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and out of that when
Protestant's came to America
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we have our
constitution and Bill of Rights
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designed to reverse the idea
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that you know the
king has divine rights.
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And he rules over the people,
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now the people are sovereign.
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Its government of by and
for the people is able to-
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I'm saying, I'm
saying amen, amen, amen.
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This is great
theology and this is the genius
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of the United States of America.
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But you're telling me
and you're an attorney
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who is a
professional in these areas.
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You're saying, this is
actually being threatened today.
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Look, we'll are-
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Or beyond being threatened?
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We're living on borrowed
Protestant cultural capital,
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Protestantism, terms of
its legal influence is dead.
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I would suggest
you that Protestantism
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in its cultural and
religious influences
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is largely dead as well.
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I think this is true.
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And I say that in
the sense of the emphasis
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on a personal
relationship with Jesus Christ,
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the emphasis on
the individual, we are-
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Protestant America is now
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very much Catholic
America in this sense.
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Historic Catholicism,
you're standing before God
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dependent upon your standing
in the religious community.
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Yes.
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Today in America,
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the state and the
security of the community
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is more important
than any individual.
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I can see what you're saying,
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I can hear what you're saying,
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I'm listing with both ears
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but if this is so
then we are really seeing
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Bible prophecies
being fulfilled today.
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One of my favorite
Bible commentators,
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Ellen White observes
of America and prophecy
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that she will repudiate
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every principle
of her constitution,
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both Protestant and republican,
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"small r" republican principles.
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Now republic means,
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government of by
and for the people.
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A republic is a
system of government
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where the people are sovereign.
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Today, its, its hardly,
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I mean you know I take a
Bill Moyers quipped that no,
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I think it was
Stephen Colbert who said
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"well, now that
corporations are people,
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we finally have government
of by and for the people."
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Say that again.
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Well, you know the Supreme Court
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famously decided in
the Citizens United case
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that corporations are persons
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who have first amendment rights.
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And so the television
comedian, Stephen Colbert was-
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now that you know
corporations are persons
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we have government of by
and for the people at last.
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I get it.
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So we're moving away
from the great constitution
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that made America the greatest
force in the world for good.
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We really are.
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We have shredded wholesale,
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whole portions
of the constitution.
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When we have
SWAT teams that go in,
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you know we have a
militarized police force.
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We have militarized
drones coming to a city.
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No, no, everybody
wants to hear this.
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Well, whether you want to
hear it or not it's happening.
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I want to hear
it, tell it to me.
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Let me have it.
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Well, we have an
NSA that is monitoring
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far more than
George Orwell ever imagined
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when he wrote 1984.
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We're way passed in Orwellian
kind of oppressive society.
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You see, I've been
teaching from the Bible
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for more than 50 years,
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Alan and I used to preach
the prophecies of the Bible
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and you know those
prophecies like Revelation 13,
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and Revelation 13
actually describes
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a coalition of church and state.
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Correct.
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And the setting up
a totalitarian system
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that'll take religious
freedoms from the people.
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Right.
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So, can you see this happening?
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It is happening,
but I think that many
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who even study the prophecies
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they don't know
what they're looking for.
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Mark of the Beast
religion is the dominant force
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in religion in world today.
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Because the kind
oppressive religion
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that Revelation 13 talks about
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is what most people
believe that God will kill you
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if you don't tow the line,
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"it's my way or
the highway" approach
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and this is true regardless
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of whether your
worship is you know
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Islamic fundamentalism
or Christian fundamentalism.
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So the people who are watching
this television program today
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would be wise if
they would wake up.
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Because the vast
majority of the people
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I talk to are of
totally oblivious
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to the fulfillment
of Bible prophecies
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and when they
see things happening
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in the United States of America,
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they say "so what."
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So liberties go to
save their securities.
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I think it was Ben Franklin,
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who said those who
would trade eternal liberty
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for temporary security deserve
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neither liberty or
freedom, liberty or security.
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And you would say
from your experience
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that this is taking place today
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in the United States of America.
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Franklin has been so off
quoted in the last decade
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because we realize
that this is happening.
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We have created the
national security state
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and you know by fighting
a- so called war on terrorism,
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you know, I mean more
Americans die on our highways.
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More Americans die
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because they put a
smoking stick in their mouth
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than die from terrorism
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and yet we're
giving away our freedoms
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because of the
fear of terrorism.
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Wouldn't some people say
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that what you're teaching
is dangerous, it's subversive?
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Well, I could be
arrested by the military
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and locked up for
a long time because-
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But, why?
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I'm dangerous and subversive
for questioning authority,
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but my generation
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was the questioning
authority generation.
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We're taught to
do that weren't we?
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Of course and doesn't the
Bible teachers to do that?
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Doesn't Jesus tell us to
search out for the truth?
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Doesn't the Bible teach us
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the importance
of the individual?
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John-
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That the individual is
more important in the state.
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I thought that
religion teaches you
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to leave your mind at home
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and just believe what
the Church teaches you.
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Well, that's what a
lot of people believe,
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check you- you come to church.
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Check your brain at the door.
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Check your brains at the door.
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You know John,
I- we talked about
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my own spiritual
journey in another program.
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I was raised as a
devout secular humanist.
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I was thought to use my brain
to rely on reason and logic
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and when I did that I
came to the conclusion
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that belief in
Jesus was the only thing
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that made sense in this world.
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Absolutely, and
I say amen to this.
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Is torture
including water boarding
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ever justified to save us?
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No.
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Never justifies.
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The short answer is no,
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but I think there is so much
longer answer that's needed.
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There are Americans who think
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and have been
deceived by the propaganda
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the torture can be useful.
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I've had church members
come to me time after time
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and they've said to me
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"we believe it is
justified to carry out torture."
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And I've said to them what about
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what happened in Germany?
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And they've said
one lady even said to me
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"if I had been living
in Germany in those days,
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I would have
gone along with it."
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Yeah, they probably would have.
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You know the FBI has found
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that their
interrogation techniques
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which do not use
torture are much more effective
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and the latest that's
come out in the senate report
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is that the early
reports of great successes
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with the use of
torture were fabricated.
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And remember this,
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we believe as
Protestant Christians
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that the end it does
not justify the means.
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I mean, if you want
to talk about morality,
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what happened
at the golden rule.
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Oh, yeah, I'll torture you
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'cause I don't mind
if you torture me, sure.
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Of course, we know
that is completely false.
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But the Bible teaches
that we should not do evil
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so that good might come.
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That is the teaching
of anti-Christ the idea
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that the end somehow
justifies the means is abhorrent
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and wrong and therefore
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because we see what is
happening in the world today
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and what is
happening in America,
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we see that these
are fulfilling signs
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a Bible prophecies.
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Bible prophecies
are coming to parse.
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They are John, and you know
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it may be that
countries to evil at times
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in pursuit of
their national ends,
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but one of the biggest problems
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that I see in
America's approach to torture
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in the last decade is
the attempt to justify it
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and say that it's legal.
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You know a lot of
countries will break the law
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and do things that
they think are immoral
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and follow this ends
justify the means approach
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but they know that they're
doing things that are black.
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That are immoral- They're evil.
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That are illegal. Yes.
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Okay, and they
make those hard choices
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and they hope that
they don't come to light.
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We're doing in the light
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and we're trying to justify
what cannot be justified.
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But we have stopped it now.
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So we say, I hope so.
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I would
sincerely hope and pray so,
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because torture is abhorrent.
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It goes against
the constitution,
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it goes against
everything the Bible teaches.
00:14:12.58\00:14:15.75
Alan, would you agree with me
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that our greatest
need here in America
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is returned to the
faith of our fathers.
00:14:20.30\00:14:22.83
There's no
question, spiritual revival
00:14:22.86\00:14:26.35
is absolutely our greatest need.
00:14:26.38\00:14:30.16
Now, we don't
want you to go away
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because we got more
stuff coming with Alan Reinach
00:14:32.54\00:14:36.08
and its great stuff
and you need to hear it
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because we're talking
about your religious liberty.
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And we're going to
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some of the greatest issues
that you've ever heard about
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your religious liberty
threatened, here in America.
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Did you ever have
a sense of destiny?
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Did you ever feel that
God has put His hand upon you
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for some tremendous task,
that you really got a purpose,
00:15:37.64\00:15:42.10
that God has called you
for such a time as this?
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I have that sense,
that conviction today
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because God is opening up
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doors for us in Latin America
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and in Latin
America my good friend,
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there's a revolution going on.
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It's not a
revolution in the streets,
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it is a revolution in the hearts
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of men and women.
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That's why the Carter Report
is going to go to El Salvador.
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We're renting an outdoor stadium
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with room for
more then 60,000 souls,
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and we're
planning a baptism in the-
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on the Sabbath afternoon
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of more than
5,000 born-again souls
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in El Salvador, in Latin America
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where there's a
revolution going on,
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where the Holy
Spirit is being poured out.
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Don't you want to be a
part of this great purpose,
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this great task,
00:16:45.00\00:16:46.66
this God designed
outreach for Latin America?
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Would you please
write to me John Carter,
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P.O. Box 1900,
Thousand Oaks, CA,
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tell me I'm
going to support you.
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I'm going support the
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Write to me today
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but right now in Latin America,
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thank you and God bless you.
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Welcome back
friend, to a super program,
00:17:32.24\00:17:34.89
exciting stuff we're
dealing with here today
00:17:34.92\00:17:37.51
with Attorney Alan Reinach.
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We're talking
about religious liberty
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and how your freedoms are
being threatened right here
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in the land of liberty
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in the United States of America.
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Alan, what made the USA
different to those countries
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that had religion
in their constitutions?
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For instance, what
made American different
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to Catholic spying under Franco,
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Catholic Columbia,
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Muslim Saudi
Arabia, Muslim ISIS?
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Very simply John,
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the separation
of church and state.
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Tell me about it.
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Well, the basic
concept is simple
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and it's not what a
lot of Americans think.
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The basic concept is religion
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is not the
business of government.
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The government has
other responsibilities
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and they have no expertise
in matters of faith and belief.
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And so the idea is the state
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stays out of the
business of the church
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and the church
doesn't govern the state.
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They have their unique spheres
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that they are
free to a function end.
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This was the genius
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of the United States
of America, am I right.
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And it was a
principle of religious freedom.
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Today too many see
separation of church and state
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somehow as a threat
to religious freedom
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but not as it was
originally understood.
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But the church never prospers
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when the state
gets involved with it.
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You know, it's
basically a form of socialism.
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And if you think about,
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you know our
attitudes about welfare
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and how it's sap
initiative and vitality.
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Which it does.
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Well, when you put the
church on the public dole
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and have tax dollars
pay for the church well,
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the church is
like a welfare cheat.
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Now you take ISIS
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they want set up a Muslim state.
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Yes. We believe its evil.
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What real difference is
there from those Christians here
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in the United States of America
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who want to have a
Christian American state.
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Well, I certainly don't think
that there are many Christians
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if any here in America
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who are prepared
to tell nonbelievers
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that they have
to convert or die.
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Oh, no, of course not.
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I don't think that
Americans who are there yet.
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No, no, no, but what about
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talking about a Christian state.
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Well, I do think in principle
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we should take a
page from Saudi Arabia
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and other countries like Iran
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where church and
state or mosque and state
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are very much
are working together
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to realize that the
freedom that we have
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is because we don't
give the state jurisdiction
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over the church.
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Alan, this is a
tough one and the answers
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you're giving are not good,
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they're very good
and I do appreciate them.
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Is the US government entering
into the realms a religion
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when it declares
itself the gay marriage,
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the man having sex with man
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and women having sex with women?
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Is it pontificating in matters
that belong to the church
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or does the government
have the right to tell people
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what they ought to
do in these things?
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You know, this is
a very confusing area
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for many people, John.
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And I think there's
a difference between
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the religious freedom analysis
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and the moral and
social policy analysis.
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Let's start with this,
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because we have
relationships that dissolve
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and financial
needs, needs of children.
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The state has
jurisdiction over marriage.
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Civil rights.
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You know
marriage initially began
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as a holy
religious institution but,
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you know, you talk to people
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when their
relationships dissolve
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somebody's got
to come and decide
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is somebody gonna
support the other one.
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How are the kids
going to be supported,
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who has custody of the kids?
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So the state has
legitimate jurisdiction
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over the subjective marriage.
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Now one of the problems,
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when the states began to
vote in the courts actually
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at first began to
bring in same-sex marriage
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is they would
spend hundreds of pages
00:22:00.66\00:22:03.66
describing the
fundamental right to marry,
00:22:03.69\00:22:06.01
which nobody disagrees with.
00:22:06.04\00:22:07.84
There is a
fundamental right to marry.
00:22:07.87\00:22:10.13
The problem is they
never really decided
00:22:10.16\00:22:12.57
what is marriage
in the first place?
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And here's the
crux of the thing,
00:22:14.74\00:22:16.66
in order for us to have
are stable healthy marriages
00:22:16.69\00:22:21.58
as the building
blocks of society
00:22:21.61\00:22:23.92
we need a culture
that supports marriage.
00:22:23.95\00:22:26.94
Now our culture
with no fault divorce
00:22:26.97\00:22:30.33
with the welfare
society that means
00:22:30.36\00:22:33.60
that when men lose their jobs
00:22:33.63\00:22:36.68
and become unemployed
the women and children
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don't get support unless the men
00:22:39.47\00:22:41.60
move out of the
home with the bringing
00:22:41.63\00:22:44.88
in of same-sex
marriage and turning marriage
00:22:44.91\00:22:48.12
into a matter of sexual pleasure
00:22:48.15\00:22:51.07
of convenience
rather than principle.
00:22:51.10\00:22:54.38
We have, as a
society greatly destroyed
00:22:54.41\00:22:57.80
the culture of marriage.
00:22:57.83\00:22:58.95
So this is the
secularization of society?
00:22:58.98\00:23:01.81
Yes.
00:23:01.84\00:23:02.87
So it not so much
the government is it?
00:23:02.90\00:23:04.44
No. And society?
00:23:04.47\00:23:06.36
Well, government really
00:23:06.39\00:23:07.59
if you think about it
the State is following suit.
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It's reflecting society.
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Correct.
00:23:12.56\00:23:15.17
But of course, you and I
as Bible believing Christians,
00:23:15.20\00:23:18.19
we believe in the marriage
00:23:18.22\00:23:20.48
that is taught in the scriptures
00:23:20.51\00:23:22.12
between a man and a woman.
00:23:22.15\00:23:23.68
That's what marriage is.
00:23:23.71\00:23:25.59
And the State can
try to redefine it
00:23:25.62\00:23:27.50
but that doesn't
change the reality.
00:23:27.53\00:23:29.41
So same-sex
marriage is an oxymoron?
00:23:29.44\00:23:31.54
Yes, it is.
00:23:31.57\00:23:32.66
But having said
that, we love gay people,
00:23:32.69\00:23:36.82
we respect them,
00:23:36.85\00:23:38.14
and we believe they
should have their civil rights.
00:23:38.17\00:23:40.99
But as Christians,
00:23:41.02\00:23:42.67
we believe that
we've got some rights also.
00:23:42.70\00:23:45.37
And you know the
crux of the problem,
00:23:45.40\00:23:47.46
when it comes to
religious freedom
00:23:47.49\00:23:49.17
is that it's
become a zero-sum game
00:23:49.20\00:23:51.68
where either the
society is going to protect
00:23:51.71\00:23:54.82
the rights to
the LGBT community,
00:23:54.85\00:23:57.01
Lesbian Gay Bisexual
Transgender Community
00:23:57.04\00:24:00.05
or the rights of
religious freedom but not both.
00:24:00.08\00:24:03.27
And that really both,
00:24:03.30\00:24:05.16
there's now kind
of a war going on
00:24:05.19\00:24:07.47
whether it's gonna be religious
freedom or sexual freedom.
00:24:07.50\00:24:10.69
Yes, and so this
is an indictment,
00:24:10.72\00:24:13.85
I think of our society
00:24:13.88\00:24:15.79
and I believe these things have
been prophesied in the Bible.
00:24:15.82\00:24:18.71
Do you believe that Christians
00:24:18.74\00:24:21.02
and other
believers Jewish believes,
00:24:21.05\00:24:23.03
Muslim believers and so forth
00:24:23.06\00:24:24.84
have the right to
practice their faith
00:24:24.87\00:24:26.90
without government interference
00:24:26.93\00:24:29.03
and I asked this question
because, Dr. Billy Graham,
00:24:29.06\00:24:32.88
who has been called
"The Conscience American"
00:24:32.91\00:24:35.54
said a little while ago
00:24:35.57\00:24:37.18
Christians can
expect to be persecuted
00:24:37.21\00:24:40.19
by their own government
here in the United States.
00:24:40.22\00:24:42.82
Look, basic
principle of religious freedom
00:24:42.85\00:24:46.30
is everybody has the
right to their belief,
00:24:46.33\00:24:48.88
to their worship, to
practice their faith.
00:24:48.91\00:24:51.16
But we also have the saying
00:24:51.19\00:24:53.12
you know my rights end
00:24:53.15\00:24:54.88
when my fist
approaches your nose.
00:24:54.91\00:24:56.98
Absolutely.
00:24:57.01\00:24:58.26
The question is,
00:24:58.29\00:24:59.39
is my practice of my
religion harming somebody else
00:24:59.42\00:25:03.32
and at times rights
do come into conflict
00:25:03.35\00:25:07.35
and the courts
have to figure out
00:25:07.38\00:25:09.34
can we protect
everybody's rights and if not,
00:25:09.37\00:25:12.90
how do we resolve conflicts.
00:25:12.93\00:25:15.54
Now we're gonna run out of time,
00:25:15.57\00:25:17.01
so I'll need to get a
quick answer to this question
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Revelation 13
talks about a situation
00:25:21.42\00:25:27.09
that arises in the world
00:25:27.12\00:25:29.26
where church and
state come together
00:25:29.29\00:25:32.52
and an image to
the beast to set up
00:25:32.55\00:25:35.44
which we
believe is the coalition
00:25:35.47\00:25:37.83
of church and state.
00:25:37.86\00:25:39.66
Do you believe that
this could be coming soon,
00:25:39.69\00:25:44.18
is it just around the corner?
00:25:44.21\00:25:46.83
Yes, is the short answer.
00:25:46.86\00:25:49.16
I started with this illustration
00:25:49.19\00:25:52.14
from the roadrunner
00:25:52.17\00:25:53.20
that the constitutional
foundations have disappeared.
00:25:53.23\00:25:55.88
It's gone, it's gone.
00:25:55.91\00:25:57.17
So the courts
and our legislatures
00:25:57.20\00:26:01.58
here in America
are all too willing
00:26:01.61\00:26:04.71
to see the
government involved in religion.
00:26:04.74\00:26:08.41
It's just that simple.
00:26:08.44\00:26:10.51
And so we ought
to be saying today
00:26:10.54\00:26:13.22
to the American people
and the Australian people
00:26:13.25\00:26:15.71
and everybody else watching,
00:26:15.74\00:26:18.03
it's time for you
to get back to God,
00:26:18.06\00:26:19.81
it's time for you
to read the Bible,
00:26:19.84\00:26:21.72
it's time for you to
stand up for the faith
00:26:21.75\00:26:24.73
that was once
delivered to the saints.
00:26:24.76\00:26:26.87
Amen to that, John.
00:26:26.90\00:26:28.11
And Alan, it's been a privilege
to have you with us today
00:26:28.14\00:26:31.88
and it's been a privilege
to have you to my friend,
00:26:31.91\00:26:34.61
watching out there
in television land.
00:26:34.64\00:26:37.26
Please write to me, would you?
00:26:37.29\00:26:39.47
Write to the Carter
Report P.O. Box 1900,
00:26:39.50\00:26:42.65
Thousand Oaks, California, 91358
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write to me at Terrigal
in Australia or email me.
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Ask for our magazine.
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Hey, this is a great magazine,
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it is called Ebenezer.
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It is full of terrific stories.
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Let me tell you
some of the articles
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can bad be good,
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nothing too hard for
God, signs of the times,
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my warning from the pope,
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why they buried the
bishop on the sidewalk,
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amazing health secrets,
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miracles in a communist prison.
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Friend, please
write to me today,
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we want you to become part
of the Carter Report family,
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we believe in
preaching the Bible truth.
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We believe in the faith
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that was once
delivered to the saints.
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We believe in evangelism,
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in taking the pure
gospel of Jesus Christ
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right around the world.
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And so please write to me today,
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please email me.
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It's been a tremendous privilege
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having you with us today.
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We are living
in tremendous days,
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we're living in that time
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when the Bible
prophecies are being fulfilled.
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And Alan, we believe
that Jesus is coming soon.
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Amen.
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Jesus is coming soon.
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Please write to
me. God bless you.
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It's been great
having you with us.
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Goodbye for now.
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