From Arcadia, California,
the Carter Report presents
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The Living Word
around the world.
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Hello, Friend, I'm John Carter.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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We have an
exciting program today
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because we have
an exciting guest.
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His name is Alan Reinach.
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Alan is in attorney,
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and Alan does a tremendous
work here in North America.
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He serves as the director
of the Church State Council,
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and he is the
president of the North American
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Religious
Liberty Association West.
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We're delighted
that he's here today.
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We're going to be dealing
with some of the great issues
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that concern your freedom.
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Stay with us.
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I wish you'd come with me
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to a land of more
than a billion souls
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all in need of
hearing the gospel of Christ.
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Did you know this my friend,
it is the duty of the Christian
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to take gospel of
Christ to our lost world?
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And the lost world I'm talking
about right now is India,
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land of millions and
millions are pagan god's
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but more than a
billion lost souls.
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India cries out for God.
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We are now back on India TV.
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We're broadcasting
on prime time in India.
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We need your
prayers, we need your support.
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Is it easy in India?
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No, it's a hardest
place we've ever worked.
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Harder than Russia?
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Harder than Russia.
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Harder than America?
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Harder than America.
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Harder than Australia?
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Harder than Australia.
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Because it is a
land that's given over
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almost totally to the demonism.
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Now I could tell
you about those demons,
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I could tell you
about the false gods,
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but what I want
to tell you today
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is about the true God,
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and the true God who
told us go in all the world
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and preach the
gospel every creature.
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We're back in India.
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Yes, we're back in
India, by the grace of God
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we're back in India to stay.
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We want you to come with us,
we want you to pray for India,
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we want you to give
for India and do it today.
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Please write to me, John Carter,
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Post Office Box 1900,
Thousand Oaks, California.
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Write to me at
Terrigal in Australia.
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Email me,
contact me, and say, yes,
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I'm going to stand with you
in the preaching of the gospel,
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to the lost souls of India.
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Thank you, in Jesus
name and God bless you.
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Alan, we're just delighted
to have you with us today.
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It's my pleasure, John.
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And we're delighted to
have this right audience,
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that is
watching around the world
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because we got a great
program for you today on liberty
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and your liberty threatened.
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Alan, tell me a little
bit about your background.
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Would you please?
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Well, I was
raised in a very secular
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Jewish home in New York city.
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A great city. The city.
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Yeah, that's what
people from New York say.
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We call it the city.
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Yeah, of course. Absolutely.
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I come from a an
old Wall Street family.
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My grand father at started
at New York stock exchange,
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brokerage firm way back one,
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left New York in
the summer of 1929,
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saw the crash coming.
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A Jewish family, an
extinguish Jewish family,
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I have tremendous
empathy with the Jewish people.
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I love to tell people
who not always aware of this,
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you know, not
everybody is aware of the fact
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that Jesus Christ was a Jew.
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And all of the
disciple were Jews.
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And so when we
got a Jewish gentlemen
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from New York on our program
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we are doubly blessed.
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Tell me about
your spiritual journey.
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Well, you know, I've
read a lot of history
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when I was young in my preteen
and teenage years, and I--
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the history really
inspired me to want
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to make a difference and to see,
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you know, what was the
meaning in purpose of my life?
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And that led me to
a spiritual journey.
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I just I was kind of an
agnostic for a long time,
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maybe even in atheist
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but somehow I just
had to know who God was
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and if He had a
plan for my life.
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How did you go on this journey?
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Did you start
reading or how did you start?
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You know, I was
pretty incompetent frankly.
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I don't believe that.
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Because, you know,
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I mean at one point I literally,
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I had done a lot of study
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into mystical
experience, drug experience,
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religious
experience, took a course,
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actually a university
course devoted to that.
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But I finally one day stood up
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and shook my fist
at the ceiling at God,
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and I said God,
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if You're there how
am I gonna find You?
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Where am I gonna go?
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What mountain am I gonna climb?
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What ocean am I gonna cross?
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I didn't see that
there was something,
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you know, some place I could go,
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I really didn't
know how to find Him
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and I just kind
of challenged Him
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to reveal Himself to me.
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And few months
later I got a phone call
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from an old friend he said Alan,
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you got to come
out here and see me,
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oh, I have the
truth of the universe,
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that turned me on to.
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Well, he was an amazing man,
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he had the
truth of the universe.
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Well, you know,
somehow I mean yeah,
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he was a kind of guy
could sell ice to the Eskimos.
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But I was you
know, I was impressed
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that I'd needed
to go see him, and--.
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So, it's a long way
from Hawaii to New York.
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Yeah, well, I was in Arizona
at that time of the school.
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And, you know, I've
learned that the Lord
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really does work
in mysterious ways
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and He doesn't
fit into the boxes
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that we make for Him.
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Very good.
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I needed $300 to
buy a plane ticket,
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round trip ticket to go
see my friend David, in Hawaii.
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No where I got
my $300 to go here,
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the gospel of Jesus Christ
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for the very
first time was gambling.
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I played backgammon with
my brother and I won $300.
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You the hymn, "God
moves in a mysterious way.
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His wonders to perform."
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You know, I
challenge you or our listeners,
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to tell me that
you know the God that
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you think of
the box you put in--
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Him in that He's going to help
somebody win at gambling to go
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and buy a ticket
to go hear the gospel.
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So the God is bigger than boxes?
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He is. He is very big.
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So get out to Hawaii.
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It takes us where we're at?
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Yeah, yes. That's what He does.
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He takes us where He finds us.
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Yeah. Yeah. So you go to Hawaii?
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This man preaches
the gospel to you.
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First thing he
says to me out is, Alan,
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how do you know
right form wrong?
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Thought about it for--
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Oh, very good question.
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I thought about
it for five minutes,
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I finally answered
and said, I just know.
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I can't tell you how I know.
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And then he starts to
explain the Ten Commandments
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and how God gave us commandments
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to teach us right wrong,
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and you know that
was a new thought to me,
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I never thought
about it that way.
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You know, how C. S.
Lewis found his way to God?
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The great Oxford scholar.
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I don't.
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Well, he was on the frontline,
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he was in the trenches
during the First World War.
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He was an agnos--
no he was an atheist.
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And when he was out
there, this British scholar
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one of the
England's greatest scholars
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pounded the question,
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why does man have an in
aid sense of right and wrong?
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This was the question,
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he wrote about
this also in his book,
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Mere Christianity,
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that there is in every person
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an innate sense
of right and wrong,
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and this said, he said
well this has to go back
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to the source of truth
and that's how he found God.
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And so you found God,
did you find God in Hawaii?
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I did, and at that
point I was receptive,
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but I was also very concerned
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because when I was a teenager
was the age of the cult.
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And a lot of people
including some people
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I was very close to
got caught up in cults.
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And the problem of
course aside from the fact that,
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they were teaching
strange things was that
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once you got in,
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it was very
difficult to get out.
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I was very cautious.
And you needed to be.
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Getting into something
that I couldn't get out off.
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So when after we
were studying the Bible
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and reading together
and talking about God,
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I experienced
the presence of God
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that really took me by surprise
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and I kind of had an
argument with myself.
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What's wrong with you Alan,
you're believing this stuff?
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You know, what
Saint Augustine said,
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the great Roman
caustic theologian,
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he said our soul
were made for God,
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and I cannot rest
until they rest in Him.
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So in the heart of
every man there is a big hole,
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and only God can fill that hole.
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And so God was filling
up the hole in your life.
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It's true.
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And so today, you
are a Jewish brother
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like all the
brothers in the Bible,
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because I would Jewish people.
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All the Bible writers
except one were Jewish.
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Yes, that was probably Luke.
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Yeah.
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All the gospel writers
with exception of Luke,
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greatest Jew of
course was beside our Lord
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was the great apostle
Paul, the great scholar
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who gave us the Book of Romans.
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It's a Jewish lawyer,
man after my own heart.
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Yeah, because they said
about the Book of Romans,
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it is the greatest
masterpiece of the human mind
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has ever conceived all realized.
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And so the Spirit of
God took this Jewish mind,
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the mind of an
attorney, a lawyer,
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one of the most brilliant minds
in the history of the world
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and produced the Book of Romans.
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It's amazing, isn't it?
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That God takes us frail,
faulty, sinful human beings.
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Tyndale, said its
good, glad and merry tidings
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that makes a man
heart to sing for joy
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and his feet to dance.
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Now, that's the Book of Romans
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that came from a
mind of Jewish attorney,
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a mind that was inspired
by the Holy Spirit, amen.
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What sort of work
are you doing now?
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So, for 20 years I
have been privileged
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to service as director
of the Church State Council,
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and to devote my career
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to the cause of
religious freedom.
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And you live here
in Southern California,
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no longer in the
great city of New York?
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You know, it's a
tough transition.
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We all have to make
sacrifices for the Lord.
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But you can't argue
about the climate here.
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No, no, no, all the smug.
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The church state
council, have I got it right?
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You do, celebrating our
50th anniversary this year.
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The oldest. Congratulations.
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Public interest
and legal services
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our organization in the west,
devoted to religious freedom.
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So this consumes
you, this is you work?
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It is.
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Do you see now,
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I don't want you
to rush this answer
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because it is a
very important question.
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Do you see today
that our liberties
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are being threatened
here in the land of freedom
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in the United States of America?
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They are, but, you know,
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we have to put this in
perspective first John,
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before we look at the
erosion of our freedoms
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76% of the global population
live in counties with little
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or no religious freedom.
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And as we are sitting here,
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you know, the
Christian communist
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in Iraq is decimated
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being told that
they have convert or die.
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So yes, we have our
unique challenge here.
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Tell me more about this.
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Tell me about the situation
of our brothers and sisters
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and our Jewish
brothers and sisters.
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We're not just
talking about Christians
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we're talking about Jewish
brothers and sisters in Iraq.
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The Jewish
community was decimated
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after the American
invasion and the turmoil
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that came after
the second Gulf war,
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there's virtually
no Jews left in Iraq.
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What a tragedy.
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Some of the other
nations where Jews--
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Middle Eastern
countries have emptied out
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their Jewish populations
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after the state of
Israel was founded.
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So the diaspora
that has been Judaism
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for 2,000 years is shrinking,
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and the number of countries
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that are receptive
to Jews is shrinking.
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Anti-Semitism is
on the rise in Europe,
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synagogues being defaced
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in countries like
France and violent attacks.
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I had the
privilege of going to Iraq
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on the number of occasions.
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And when I went to
Iraq before the war,
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I had the privilege of preaching
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in a great
Christian church down town.
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That Christian
church is no longer there
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and virtually
all of the Christians
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have been chased out
of that part of the world,
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and 60,000 Christians have been
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forced out of the city of
Nineveh, the city of Mosul.
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Right.
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And we are going to talk
Alan, you and I after the break,
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we're going to talk
about religious liberty
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being threatened here
also in the United States.
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And I want you to stay tuned
00:14:01.18\00:14:03.46
because we're going to
come back in a few moments,
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we've got here
with us in our studio
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Attorney Alan Reinach
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and we're going to be talking
about your religious liberties
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and how they're
being threatened right here
00:14:15.49\00:14:19.81
in the United States of America.
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Stay with us.
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Did you ever have
a sense of destiny?
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Did you ever feel that
God has put His hand upon you
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for some tremendous task
that you really got a purpose,
00:14:32.02\00:14:36.47
that God is called you
for such a time as this?
00:14:36.50\00:14:40.49
I have that sense,
that conviction today
00:14:40.52\00:14:44.03
because God is opening up
doors for us in Latin America.
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And in Latin
America, my good friend,
00:14:49.29\00:14:52.13
there is a revolution going on.
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It's not a
revolution in the streets.
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It is a revolution in
the hearts of men and women.
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That's why the Carter Report
is going to go to El Salvador.
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We are renting
an outdoor stadium
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with room for
more than 60,000 souls.
00:15:10.66\00:15:15.92
And we're
planning a baptism in the--
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on the Sabbath
afternoon of more than
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5,000 born again
souls in El Salvador,
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in Latin America,
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where there is a
revolution going on,
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where the Holy
Spirit is being poured out.
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Don't you want to be a
part of this great purpose,
00:15:33.51\00:15:39.35
this great task, this
God designed outreach,
00:15:39.38\00:15:44.77
the Latin America.
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Would you please
write to me, John Carter,
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Post Office Box 1900,
Thousand Oaks, California.
00:15:48.69\00:15:52.09
Tell me, I'm
going to support you.
00:15:52.12\00:15:54.69
Write to me in
Australia, tell me,
00:15:54.72\00:15:56.52
I'm going to support
the preaching of the gospel.
00:15:56.55\00:15:59.79
Write to me today
and support the preaching
00:15:59.82\00:16:03.22
of the Word of
God around the world
00:16:03.25\00:16:06.29
but right now in Latin America.
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Thank you and God bless you.
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Hi friend, welcome
back to the Carte Report.
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This is an exciting program,
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is dealing with
religious liberty issues
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in the world today
and especially here
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in the United States of America.
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My great guest is,
Alan Reinach, an attorney
00:16:40.96\00:16:43.51
who defends the rights
of individual's right here
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and who defends
religious liberty.
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But before I talk to
Alan, I want to tell you,
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Alan, thank you for
being our guest today.
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You are a great guest
and we appreciate you.
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We're talking
about religious liberty
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and we are talking-- we
were talking a moment ago,
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before we had this little break
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we were talking about
the situation in Iraq,
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we were talking about Mosul,
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which is where the
old city of Nineveh is.
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I had been there on
a number of occasions.
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Tell me, what you know
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about the
situation over there today.
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For believer--
Christian believers
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and for Jewish believers.
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Well, the Christians were
essentially put to the choice,
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convert or die or run
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or were completely run out
of Mosul, they were robbed.
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Many of them are now refuges
in Kurdish controlled areas.
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There is another minority,
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that I'm gonna
mispronounce the Yazidis--
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Pretty good, I would say.
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Have been hold up in and,
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and I mean ethnic
cleansing is what we are--
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Dreadful.
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We really talking about
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and it's, it's
kind of return to what
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we read about in
the history books.
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We thought this was done away
with in the time of crusades.
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You know, 1,000 years ago
and it's come right back at us.
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The interesting thing of
course is that in the crusades,
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the Christians
were doing the killing.
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Well, both sides
were killing each other,
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sometimes Christians won,
sometimes the Muslims won.
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Yes, that the spirit
of intolerance, hatred
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as shown in
these unspeakable acts
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and then we hardly
heard recently about
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how the American journalist
was actually beheaded.
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The president said,
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no, just God can
condone this evil behavior.
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You know, John, I'm convinced
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that most of the
world worships in a religion
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that regards God as
violent and oppressive.
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Yes.
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Now, most of us don't conceive
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of this kind of act of
violence of beheading somebody
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as consistent with
our religious values,
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but you know, what I call mark
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of the beast religion
is well naive in reversal.
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Yes, it is.
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You know, it's my
way or the high way.
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Yes, indeed.
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You know, this what
we were seeing in Mosul
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is an extreme form of the kind
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of intolerance that's prevalent.
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A religious intolerance.
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Many people and
many different religions
00:20:04.51\00:20:06.68
and putting Christian
feel, okay, I have got it
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and if you don't
have it the way I do,
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you don't deserve
to have your rights,
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and certainly God's
going to condemn you
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to eternal torment.
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So, you made
the very valid point
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during our last
segment that religious liberty
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is not something we
can take for granted
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because, I think you
said 70% of the world--
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Seventy six
percent live in countries
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with little or no
religious freedom.
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Which means, if you
are of the majority faith,
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you're free to
practice your faith
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but if you are not,
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you are not free
to practice your faith
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and if, if you want
to change your religion
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from that of the majority,
you are not free either.
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So, that takes in virtually
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all of the Middle
Eastern countries.
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And it takes in that
vast country of China.
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And it takes in to
a lesser extent Russia
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and it certainly takes in India
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where Christians are persecuted
because of their faith.
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There is quite a bit
of prosecution in India
00:21:05.13\00:21:07.70
by Hindu
nationalists, that's true.
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Let me come
back to the question,
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I asked you before.
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Do you believe
that here in America,
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in the land of freedom
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that religious
liberty is being threatened?
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Do you see it as a
threat on the horizon?
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I do, and some years back John,
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I came up with a,
an illustration to--
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you know, they say a picture
is worth a thousand words.
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Yes.
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You know, I can talk--
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and I will talk
about the principles
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and the constitutional issues,
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but I want to put it in a
picture for our listeners.
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Everybody seen the
Road Runner cartoon
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and we have seen Wile E.
Coyote chasing the Road Runner.
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And then the Road Runner stops
00:21:52.01\00:21:53.31
and Wile E.
Coyote goes sailing out
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over the edge of the cliff.
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And he sailing out there
keeps going his little legs,
00:21:58.07\00:22:00.94
you know, going like this
and then comes that moment
00:22:00.97\00:22:04.62
when he realizes
00:22:04.65\00:22:06.18
there is nothing underneath him.
00:22:06.21\00:22:08.24
And there is that pregnant pause
00:22:08.27\00:22:10.36
before Wile E. Coyote
crashes into the abyss.
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Well, when it comes to our
First Amendment rights John,
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the foundations have crumble,
00:22:18.06\00:22:19.89
the legal of the
constitutional foundation
00:22:19.92\00:22:22.17
even the social foundation--
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Let's stop there
because, you making
00:22:24.03\00:22:25.98
a tremendous statement.
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Well, but let me finish
the matter for, for second.
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Okay.
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We have sailed out
over the edge of the abyss,
00:22:30.96\00:22:34.18
we are hanging out in thin air.
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We don't as a-- as a society,
00:22:36.34\00:22:38.61
we don't realize,
00:22:38.64\00:22:40.67
that there is nothing
underneath us anymore.
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You think it's
a serious as that?
00:22:42.65\00:22:44.26
I do.
00:22:44.29\00:22:45.36
You say that our
freedom foundation
00:22:45.39\00:22:50.86
is eroded, it's going.
00:22:50.89\00:22:52.88
So this sort I
probably, this is reality.
00:22:52.91\00:22:55.29
Let me give you a little
bit of substance of this.
00:22:55.32\00:22:59.15
The basic principle that
we base our freedom on us,
00:22:59.18\00:23:02.29
the idea that
government is founded
00:23:02.32\00:23:05.36
to protect our
fundamental rights.
00:23:05.39\00:23:07.90
That the Bill of Rights,
innumerate's not all of them,
00:23:07.93\00:23:11.34
but some of our
most important rights
00:23:11.37\00:23:13.68
and that the government
00:23:13.71\00:23:14.77
is supposed to
protect these rights
00:23:14.80\00:23:16.20
and especially the courts
00:23:16.23\00:23:17.84
are supposed to
protect their rights
00:23:17.87\00:23:19.90
from the
trinity of the majority.
00:23:19.93\00:23:22.69
That minority
rights are prospective--
00:23:22.72\00:23:24.25
This is when America
is supposed to stand for.
00:23:24.28\00:23:26.22
Correct, so what happens
when the Supreme Court says,
00:23:26.25\00:23:30.79
we will no longer
apply the First Amendment
00:23:30.82\00:23:33.68
to protect minority rights.
00:23:33.71\00:23:35.66
If you as a religious
minority want protection
00:23:35.69\00:23:38.54
for your interests,
you have to get it voted
00:23:38.57\00:23:41.18
by Congress or by
the state legislature
00:23:41.21\00:23:44.39
and get an
exemption for you voted,
00:23:44.42\00:23:47.18
because we no longer
apply broad protection
00:23:47.21\00:23:50.36
under the constitution.
00:23:50.39\00:23:51.94
Is this actually happened?
00:23:51.97\00:23:53.19
1990 employment
division against Smith,
00:23:53.22\00:23:56.08
the infamous peyote case
00:23:56.11\00:23:58.29
where Justice
Antonin Scalia described
00:23:58.32\00:24:00.93
First Amendment protection
for our religious freedom,
00:24:00.96\00:24:03.53
as a court luxury,
00:24:03.56\00:24:05.41
that a well ordered
society can no longer afford.
00:24:05.44\00:24:08.44
That's how Justice Blackmun
characterized it in descend.
00:24:08.47\00:24:11.56
Is this a
reputation of Americanism
00:24:11.59\00:24:16.24
and the Bill of Rights?
00:24:16.27\00:24:17.51
I believe it is.
00:24:17.54\00:24:19.04
And you know, my
view among legal scholars
00:24:19.07\00:24:22.79
who deal with religious liberty
is certainly not remarkable.
00:24:22.82\00:24:28.10
I mean, this is widely
understood among scholars.
00:24:28.13\00:24:31.11
Now mind you the amazing
transformation last 20 years,
00:24:31.14\00:24:35.40
when this Supreme
Court decision came down
00:24:35.43\00:24:37.78
there was a
universal outcry against it.
00:24:37.81\00:24:40.46
Even left, right and
center, very much against it.
00:24:40.49\00:24:44.90
The Nadine Strassen the
director of ACLU called it
00:24:44.93\00:24:48.32
the Dred Scott of
religious liberty.
00:24:48.35\00:24:51.33
You know, call this
decision like Dred Scott case.
00:24:51.36\00:24:54.45
Then what's the Dred Scott case?
00:24:54.48\00:24:56.65
That was-- kind of remember
00:24:56.68\00:24:58.28
which one of it was now.
00:24:58.31\00:24:59.41
The Dred Scott case was one of--
00:24:59.44\00:25:01.77
But it's a monumental one.
00:25:01.80\00:25:03.27
That was the early
one before the civil war,
00:25:03.30\00:25:05.97
that up held's
slavery in the slave states.
00:25:06.00\00:25:09.76
Yeah. So it's a deal breaker.
00:25:09.79\00:25:12.40
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:25:12.43\00:25:14.89
I believe Dred Scott,
00:25:14.92\00:25:15.95
said that the
slaves were capture
00:25:15.98\00:25:18.23
in the free
states had to be retuned.
00:25:18.26\00:25:19.89
Treated men as property.
00:25:19.92\00:25:23.62
So you're saying this that
this Supreme Court has said
00:25:23.65\00:25:27.67
that the rights of minorities
00:25:27.70\00:25:30.83
are now no
longer solid and firm,
00:25:30.86\00:25:36.55
but there upper-- upper grades.
00:25:36.58\00:25:39.25
Is this what you telling me?
00:25:39.28\00:25:40.54
The free exercise of religion,
that basic to our constitution
00:25:40.57\00:25:45.08
is subject to
legislation, to regulation.
00:25:45.11\00:25:49.09
It is no longer
protected as fundamental right.
00:25:49.12\00:25:53.62
Is this still enforced today?
00:25:53.65\00:25:56.21
Yes, absolutely.
00:25:56.24\00:25:57.69
So this is still applicable?
00:25:57.72\00:25:59.71
So in this year
00:25:59.74\00:26:01.91
there was a very controversial
case called Hobby-Lobby.
00:26:01.94\00:26:04.86
Hobby-Lobby was decided
not for the First Amendment,
00:26:04.89\00:26:07.69
but under a Religious
Freedom Restoration Act,
00:26:07.72\00:26:11.33
a statute pass by Congress,
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that because of how it
was applied in Hobby-Lobby
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many people are saying
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let's get rid of the Religious
Freedom Restoration Act
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because they don't like--
they don't like the out come,
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they don't like
protect religious freedom.
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See everybody
it's often been said,
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we all believe in a religious
freedom and the abstract.
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Yes.
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But when it comes
down to brass tax,
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when somebody's
religious freedom
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is actually an issue
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they are very powerful interests
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that are aligned
on the other side.
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We don't necessarily
believe in religious freedom
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in particular circumstances.
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But it is not true to say Alan,
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that the vast
majority of its in America,
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Australia around the world
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where rather epistatic
about these tremendous issues.
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Well, of course we are.
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We had all these
disclosures about
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militarized
drones about the NSA.
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You know, reading our emails,
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keep gathering our
texts and everything else.
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And so what?
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We carry on as the national
security status building
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as though it's nothing.
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Alan, could it
be, I put it to you,
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could it be we
are living in the time
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when Bible
prophesies are being fulfilled.
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I hope Jesus is coming
soon and put an end to this max.
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I believe, He is coming soon,
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I believe from a study
of the Bible prophesies
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that the greatest
issue of religious liberty
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is just around the corner.
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Today my special guest has
been attorney Alan Reinach.
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We've been talking
about the greater issues
00:27:45.16\00:27:47.79
that concerned to you and me.
00:27:47.82\00:27:51.11
Please write to me John Carter,
00:27:51.14\00:27:52.82
Post Office Box
1900, Thousand Oaks,
00:27:52.85\00:27:55.89
California, 91358
00:27:55.92\00:27:58.71
in Australia write to
me at Terrigal, email me,
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I want to say to you,
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you been such a
wonderful group of people
00:28:04.37\00:28:07.59
who watched our
programs over the years.
00:28:07.62\00:28:10.28
You stood with us
through thick and thin
00:28:10.31\00:28:14.07
and the greatest
days are still to come.
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Thank you for
being with me today
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and God bless you.
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