From Arcadia, California,
the Carter report presents
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"The Living
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Hello, friend, I'm John Carter.
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Welcome to the Carter report.
And we got a show for you today.
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We are going to talk about
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"the glory of God
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and making sense of
our incredible universe"
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we have two
distinguish guests with us,
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both eminent scientists,
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Dr. Hugh Ross and
also Dr. Fazale Rana,
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Jesus said, "With God
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Our program today is
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"Making Sense of Our Incredible
Universe and the glory of God."
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We have with us two
great scientists Dr. Ross.
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Welcome today from
Reasons to Believe.
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We are glad that you joined us.
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It's a privilege for
us to have you with us
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and the same to you Dr.
Rana. Thank you for inviting me.
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You are a
biologist, why is a biologist
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also interested in
astronomy because you are.
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Well, you know astronomy
is the study of universe
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and life exists
within the universe
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and it's interesting that
astronomers have discovered
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that the universe has to
be exquisitely fine-tuned,
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very carefully put together
for life to be possible.
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But also evolutionary
biologist claim that life
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which is so
elegant in its designs
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emerge through
evolutionary processes
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and one way that we can
critically evaluate that idea
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is to look at--
when does life originate.
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What are the
resources available to it,
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to life when it originates.
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You know, so in another words,
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life's history is in the context
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of the universe's
history. Yes, yes.
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How did you get
interested Hugh in astronomy,
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because you are
great astronomer,
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you have done lot of
work down at Caltech,
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one of the great
universities in the world.
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What drove you to
become an astronomer?
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Well, my parents say
that I was a born scientist,
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I had this innate curiosity,
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I was doing experiments
when I was a toddler.
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You were? Yes.
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Just a little guy.
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Just a little guy
almost burned down
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my grandmother's
house in the process,
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so got into lot of trouble.
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But I was at age seven,
that I really got fascinated
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about stars and galaxies
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and I was reading everything
that I can find on them.
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I knew from the age of eight
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that astrophysics
would be my future career.
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Kind of amazing you must
have been called to do this?
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I think so, I
mean I just had to know
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what was going
on in the universe
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and every year I would study
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a different
discipline of astronomy.
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And that's what kind of led
me to give my life to Christ.
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And so, both of you men
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you deal with the same subject
but at the opposite extremes.
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You are into biology,
you talk about the cell,
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which is incredibly
small and incredibly complex.
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And you deal with the universe
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which is incredibly
large and incredibly complex.
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Just tell me, the
complexity of a cell.
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How complex is a cell?
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Well, the analogy
that I like to use
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particularly to
somebody who doesn't have
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a lot of familiarity with
biological system. Like me.
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Would be a city, a
cell is like a city,
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it's an
incredibly complex system.
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We have molecules
that are carrying out
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all kinds of different processes
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and those processes
are network together
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and each process is contributing
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to the overall
benefit of the cell.
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There are systems
that are generating energy,
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systems that are
like assembly lines
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making molecules and machines.
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Molecular level
machines in the cell
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that are
carrying out operations,
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there is a control center.
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And so when you see the
complexity of a single cell,
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you used it on
one of our programs
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an analogy is
like Los Angeles. Yes.
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And you said
it's better organized.
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It's better organized
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especially the trash
trucks are better organized.
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And not so many pot holes.
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And but you do have freeways
and everything don't you.
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Yeah, there is these
highway systems inside the cell
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that are track ways that
molecules will walk along
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and move along carrying cargo
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from one place to
the other in cell,
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these are
called molecular motors
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or molecular machines
that carry out these processes.
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Tiny they are so
small so small, so complex
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and we are told by
some cleaver people
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that they sort
of self originated.
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Yeah, and that's to me,
very, very difficult to accept.
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Hard for me to believe this.
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I'm highly skeptical
because when you look
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at the scientific explanations
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for how life
comes from non-life.
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Those explanations
leave a lot to be desired.
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They are lacking robustness.
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They don't have strong support.
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So, atheistic evolution
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that says that
life came from non-life
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in relatively short
period of time, relatively.
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Yes. It seems absurd.
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What astronomy tells us
is that we don't even have
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the building blocks
and the life originates
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on planet earth in a
short window of time.
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But the basic building
blocks you need are there
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but physics says
they're not allowed to be there.
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And so you are very comfortable
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as scientist with
faith in the Bible. Yes.
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What would say to a
young guy or a young girl
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and they have gone to
hear Professor Richard Dawkins
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or somebody like
this at Oxford University
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or one of some
other great university.
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And they told this no God
because we don't need Him.
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I heard one
famous man say recently,
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he said well, it's not a
case of talking about God,
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we don't need
Him. He doesn't exist.
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What would you
say to a young person?
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What would you say?
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Ah, often times I think
people who take that position,
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who are
atheists, who are agnostics
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that deny the existence of God
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or are not
convinced that God exists
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are really
operating with other reasons
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that are
motivating that position
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and they try to use science
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as a way to justify
their atheism. Yes, yes.
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And it's almost the
philosophical commitment
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ahead of time to
an atheistic worldview
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and then everything in nature
is viewed from that perspective.
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So thinking doesn't
happen in a vacuum, does it?
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No, it doesn't.
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Now, there are
many, many factors
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where people take
certain view points,
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theological or scientific.
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How big now, we know a
cell is very, very small.
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How big is the universe?
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Well, thanks to the
Hubble Space Telescope,
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we know that the
observable universe.
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It's a universe that we can see
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and theoretically
see it contains about
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two hundred billion
medium and large galaxies.
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Two hundred thousand million?
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Yes. Two hundred billion.
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Right. Galaxies.
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Where each galaxy contains
about 200 billion stars.
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So we are looking in
above 50 billion trillion stars
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total if we add in
all-- How many stars again?
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50 billion trillion stars
in the observable universe.
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50 billion
trillion stars? Right.
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And then you got
other stuff out there too
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like comets, black holes.
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But black holes
are not black holes
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usually the very
center of the galaxy.
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They can be the big ones are,
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there are also
smaller black holes
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that are scattered
throughout the galaxy
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and they are
basically burnt out stars.
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And when a big star burns
out, it will leave a black hole.
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Because it
collapses upon itself. Right.
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Everything falls in.
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And then black
holes can merge together
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to make bigger black holes
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that's how you get the
super giant black holes.
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Now, in the Milky Way system
that we can see every night
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except if you
live in Los Angeles.
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In the Milky Way system,
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is it not true that at
the center of our system,
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which has what two hundred
billion stars or something?
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It's above 400
billion stars now.
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It's gone up now.
It's gone up a bit.
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I need to keep my reading
up to date, 400 billion stars.
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There is a black
hole in the center. Yes.
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And everything goes around that?
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Yes, and it is consuming
mass at a very slow rate.
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It's about three million times
a mass of our star, the sun.
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How far is planet earth from
this uncomfortable black hole?
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Because if we got
close to the black hole
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is it not true we'd
go in, we'd be sucked in?
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If we got very close. How close?
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Well, I mean-- Close enough.
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If we go within a few trillion
miles you would be in trouble.
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Within a few
trillion miles? Yeah.
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That's close. That's close.
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It means that the universe
is somewhat very big, isn't it?
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A lot bigger than that,
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a light year is
six trillion miles.
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So how far are we from
the center of the universe
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of our galaxy the
center from this black hole?
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We are about, you
know, 27,000 light years
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away from the
center of the black hole.
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So we are safe distance away.
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Is it true that we
are strategically placed?
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Yes, we are.
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We're at distance from
the center of the galaxy
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where the spiral arm structure
rotates at the same rate
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that the sun revolves
around the center of the galaxy,
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which means that
we cross spiral arms
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only about once
every billion years.
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And right now, we are a half way
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between one spiral
arm crossing and the next
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and that's a safe
zone for advanced life.
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and if you are bacterium
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you can handle
crossing a spiral arm,
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but if you are an
advanced life form,
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you don't want
to be at that time.
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Also to if we
were in another place
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would we be exposed to
excessive amounts of radiation?
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That's true, if you are closer
to the center of the galaxy
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you'd be exposed to radiation.
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If you are close to spiral arm,
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you will be exposed
to deadly radiation,
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but if you are too
far away from the center,
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you will not have the
elements you need to make life
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and so we are at the
exact spot within the universe
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where advanced life is possible
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and that same spot is
the only spot in our galaxy
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we actually get to
see outside of our galaxy.
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Now, let's break this down.
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We are at a spot in the universe
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where we are safe
from the spiral arms,
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we are safe from
excessive amounts of radiation,
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but you are saying we
are in a spot we can see out,
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what does that mean?
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Well, there is only
one location in our galaxy
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where we actually get to see
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the entire observable
extend of the universe.
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It actually be
able to directly observe
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the cosmic creation event,
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but to somewhere
else in the galaxy
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there will be too much
light illuminating our sky.
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It's like driving into the sun.
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If we are in a spot where,
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we weren't in a
dark spot. Right.
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If we were in a bright spot
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it will be
difficult to see at it, is it?
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Other way to burn it is,
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we are living
in the darkest life
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conceivable
location in our galaxy
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and it's because we are in
that darkest possible spot,
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we can see the entirety
of the history of universe
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and actually read the whole
story book of the universe.
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So we can see the
cosmic story from planet earth?
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From planet earth
we can see the story
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from the very beginning of
the creation of the universe
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right up to the present moment.
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But we couldn't see this if we
were popped in some other place?
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Or we were at a different time.
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If we were put here any
earlier, we would only be seeing
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a portion of a
history of the universe.
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Likewise we were
put here any later,
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we only be seeing a portion
of the history of the universe.
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What does that-- what
does that tell you Fazale?
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Well, to me it says
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that there is an incredible
design in the universe
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that there is a
purpose to the universe
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and the purpose to human life.
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So this could not
have happened by itself?
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Or God wanted us
to read the whole book
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from start to finish. Yes, yes.
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And there is only one spot
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and one time where we
can read the whole book.
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What an incredible truth,
what an incredible observation.
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We are at a spot in the cosmos
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where we can look at
and look back through time.
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We are in a place
where we are protected
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so whether you go from
the smallest to the biggest,
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it seems to be that
there is a guiding hand
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and a great mind
that has planned it all.
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So it's pretty
hard to be an atheist
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or even an agnostic
and believe this stuff.
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Well, the heavens
declare the glory of God.
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They declare His righteousness
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and God want us to see all
that glory and righteousness.
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We will be back
after this short break.
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We are talking about
how big is the universe.
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We are talking about
the evolutionary idea.
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We are talking about the
great God who made the stars.
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We have two great
scientists with us.
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We will be back in a moment.
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Hello friend, I am
John Carter in Colombia.
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Behind me is the
great city of Bogota,
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the capital of
this amazing country.
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This city is a city of
more than eight million souls.
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It's up more than
8,000 feet in the Andes.
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And we've come here
today with one purpose in mind
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to preach the everlasting
gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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We are here because we
have a commission from God.
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Jesus said, "Go
into all the world
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and preach the
everlasting gospel,
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baptizing them in
the name of the Father,
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and of the Son and
of the Holy Spirit."
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The people here need
the Gospel of Christ.
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And I am asking
you today come with us,
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if not in body but
come with us in spirit.
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This has been a
very, very dangerous city.
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A very dangerous
part of the world,
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but we believe that we are safe
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when we are in the hands of God.
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Therefore I am beseeching
you in the name of Christ
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and in the names of
these eight million plus
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inhabitants in
the city of Bogota
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to come and help us to
preach the word of God.
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Please support the preaching
of the word of God in Columbia.
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Please write to me,
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Thousand Oaks,
California, 91358.
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"Work while it is day
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the night is coming
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Please write to me today.
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Thank you, and God bless you.
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Welcome back.
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We are talking to Dr. Hugh Ross
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and also Dr. Fazale
Rana, two eminent scientists.
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And we are talking about
making sense of the universe.
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You were describing the
vastness of the universe.
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Now you have--you got
your doctorate in astronomy.
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Got your doctorate in biology.
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You both come at the--
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at the subject from
different poles from extremes.
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You come from the very smallest,
you come from the very biggest.
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We talked a little moment ago
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about the
complexity of the single cell
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and how it seems
utterly incomprehensible
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that a cell
could have made itself.
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I think it absurd
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for people to think
that cells can make a cell.
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Now we are talking
about the universe,
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talk to me and we've discussed
this in other occasions,
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but for the sake of people
who are just tuning in now.
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Talk to me about the Big
Bang, the Big Bang Theory
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and its relationship
to Genesis Chapter 1.
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Genesis 1 in the beginning
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God created the
heavens and the earth.
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That phrase, the
heavens and the earth
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means the entire
universe. It's the cosmos.
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It's the cosmos.
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As the Hebrews understood
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it was all of everything
we can see or measure,
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so it's encompassing all
matter, energy, space and time.
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And if we go to
the New Testament
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you actually find
passage is very explicit
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about the universe being
the beginning of space and time.
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Let's talk about
this for a moment.
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You are saying that there was
a time when there was no time.
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Well, I think time is
bigger than cosmic time.
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I prefer to use to
the term temporality
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before God created
cosmic time the time dimension
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to which we are constrain
God was in relationship.
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There are three
members of the triune Godhead.
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They were in
relationship with one another.
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And they were making
plans, mean it tells us
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in Timothy and Titus
that before God created time,
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He was already
setting into affect the grace
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that He was going to
bestow upon His human followers
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which He had not yet created.
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So God was in a
planning environment
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before He created time.
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So God was
experiencing temporal phenomena
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before He created cosmic time.
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But notice what the
thing about cosmic time,
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its only one dimension and time
cannot be stopped or reversed.
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That's the
ideal property of time
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you want for a universe
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where people are still
struggling with sin and evil
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and God has actually
used that cosmic time
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to bring about the end
of all evil and suffering.
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And will enter
into a new creation
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where we'll be delivered from
the restrictions of cosmic time.
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When do you think this
great creation event took place?
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We are talking
about the creation
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of all the-- all the cosmos?
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How long ago?
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Well, in our cosmic time
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that would measure to
be 13.8 billion years ago.
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13.79. Yeah, all right.
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Plus or minus .05.
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Fazale, what is
your concept of this God?
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He must be an awesome God,
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he must be, He
must be a big God.
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We know, typically
the conception of the God
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of the Bible was
that He is all powerful,
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all knowing and
all good. And all wise.
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All wise, He is eternal
and as you begin to look at
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what we're
learning about the cosmos,
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we are learning
about the structure of life
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at its most basic level.
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You just get a-- a
glimpse as to the knowledge
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and the wisdom and the power
and the glory of that Creator.
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The creation is
only just giving us
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a taste of God's
grandeur and God's glory.
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He must be a
huge massive person,
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I'm not talking
about physical form,
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but we are
talking about a universe
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that's 13.8 billion years old.
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Often, Christians
have had the idea of a God
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who made the universe
a few thousand years ago.
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But this opens up a completely
new field, doesn't it?
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It expands our minds
to realize that this God
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is such a huge and a big God
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and as you said
He is all goodness.
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It will be awful
if we woke up one day
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and find that this
is not going to happen
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but imagine if God
was-- was an awful person.
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He is cruel and malicious.
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Or there's something
about the universe that tells us
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that we human beings
must have extremely high value
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mean the very fact that
He had--He made a universe
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and so incredibly
large and so old tells us,
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look at the
resources He put into effect
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in order to make
our existence possible.
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And astronomers have discovered
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they have gave the laws
of physics that God choose,
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it's impossible
to bring human beings
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upon the cosmic scene in
less than 13.8 billion years.
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But the window of
time in which we can exist
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in a civilized state can't
be longer than 40,000 years.
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It's which called the
entropic principle inequality.
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So it's a fine tuning that
is beyond our comprehension.
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The universe was
made long, long time ago
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and was made in such a
way and so finely tuned.
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Put me right if I'm wrong.
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It was finely tuned for God
to make the human race. Right.
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Now, describe to me
because I want the audience
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to get a concept of the
vastness of this universe.
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Briefly tell me
about black holes
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and dark energy and dark matter.
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Now, dark
matter and dark energy,
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these are
relatively new concepts.
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But tell me a little
bit about these things?
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Okay, well, stars
and galaxies we see
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make up about a quarter
percent of the universe.
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And then in addition to that
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we got what's called
ordinary dark matter.
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There will be matter made up of
protons, neutrons and electrons.
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It's so disperse that they
don't really emit any light
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but more than 90 percent
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of all the ordinary
matter is called dark.
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And so when we look
at pictures from NASA
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and from other
astronomical societies.
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We see these
incredible galaxies.
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The word is awesome,
it's incomprehensible,
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it's so glorious but that's,
that's less than one percent
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of what is out there
because of the dark stuff.
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Well, it takes a halo
of ordinary dark matter
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surrounding our Milky Way galaxy
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to help stabilize
the spiral structure
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and beyond that you need a
halo of exotic dark matter.
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Now, there's six
times as much exotic matter
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as there is ordinary matter.
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What I mean by exotic matter
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is matter made up of
fundamental particles
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that do not
interact well with photons.
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Protons, neutrons and electrons
do the exotic stuff doesn't.
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But it takes that exotic stuff
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to really make possible
the kind of spiral galaxy
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where advanced
life can possibly exist.
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So our family
celebrates Thanksgiving,
00:24:27.62\00:24:30.41
we thank God for
the exotic dark matter.
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Because without
that we wouldn't be
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able to enjoy our dinner.
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You have been
studying astronomy for so long
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and you have been
studying biology for so long.
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I'm impressed by your integrity
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and your honesty
in your scholarship
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and it's a privilege for
us to have you here today.
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What do you think about
when you think about God, Hugh?
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What is God like to you?
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Well, God is a being that's
created this whole universe.
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He created me, He
created me for a purpose.
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I'm not just here to live.
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You know, God gave me
attributes that tells me
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and to use that to satisfy
God's demands upon my life
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and that this
universe isn't the end all. No.
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Absolutely, I say amen to this
but if you were to meet God.
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What would He be
like do you think?
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Well, we are told in the
Bible that He is not physical,
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He is spiritual. Of course.
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So He doesn't have a body
00:25:37.80\00:25:39.99
but He also has
given us the spirit
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because we have a spirit,
we can relate spirit to spirit.
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So we are promised that
when this physical life is over,
00:25:46.41\00:25:50.23
we are gonna have a relationship
with the spiritual being.
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Can we have a
relationship with Him now?
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Yes, our spirit can
relate to His spirit right here
00:25:55.63\00:25:58.76
and now and
there's proof of that.
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This what got to me when
I gave my life to Christ.
00:26:00.65\00:26:03.35
There is a promise in
the Bible that that will set
00:26:03.38\00:26:06.37
and affect the Holy
Spirit giving you the desire
00:26:06.40\00:26:09.70
and the power to
live the Christian life.
00:26:09.73\00:26:12.85
And you've seen that
happening in my own life.
00:26:12.88\00:26:14.95
I'm seeing how God was
bringing people into my life
00:26:14.98\00:26:17.88
in supernatural ways
gives me added evidence
00:26:17.91\00:26:21.49
in addition to what
I see in the universe
00:26:21.52\00:26:23.49
that God is alive,
00:26:23.52\00:26:25.03
He is a personal being and
He cares very deeply about me.
00:26:25.06\00:26:28.66
And is it not true to say, Faz,
00:26:28.69\00:26:31.53
that if you want to see God
00:26:31.56\00:26:33.46
and we can't
comprehend His greatness.
00:26:33.49\00:26:35.70
When we talk about the stars
and everything is beyond us,
00:26:35.73\00:26:39.20
but we can
somewhat comprehend Jesus,
00:26:39.23\00:26:42.89
because God became a
man in the person of Jesus
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and Jesus said "He that has
seen Me has seen the Father."
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And He was a pretty
nice person, wasn't He?
00:26:51.29\00:26:54.19
He was kind, He was gracious,
00:26:54.22\00:26:57.00
He was forgiving, He
was a marvelous person.
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And God in Christ
created all of the universe
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and all of the cells everything
00:27:06.76\00:27:09.55
and it's no wonder
they wrote that hymn,
00:27:09.58\00:27:12.70
"How great thou art."
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Because He
certainly is a wonderful God
00:27:14.76\00:27:17.47
and He wants us to know Him.
00:27:17.50\00:27:20.46
And I want you to write to me or
write to my friends here today,
00:27:20.49\00:27:25.09
Dr. Rana or Dr. Ross.
00:27:25.12\00:27:28.02
Write to me at the
Carter Report PO Box 1900,
00:27:28.05\00:27:31.53
Thousand Oaks, California 91358.
00:27:31.56\00:27:34.77
And please write
to Reasons to Believe
00:27:34.80\00:27:37.51
if you want to ask
questions concerning the purpose
00:27:37.54\00:27:41.14
and the
greatness of the universe.
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It's been wonderful
having you with us right now
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and we will be back and we
will be talking to you more
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about these marvelous
things about the stars.
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