From Arcadia, California,
the Carter Report presents
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"The Living
Word" around the world.
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Hello, friend. I'm John Carter.
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Welcome today to
the Carter Report.
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My special guest is a
famous astronomer Dr. Hugh Ross.
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He's known around the world.
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Not only he-- is
he a great astronomer,
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but he is a great
defender of the Christian faith.
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Stay tuned.
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Jesus said, "Go
into all the world
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and make
disciples of all nations,
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baptizing them in
the name of the Father,
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Son and Holy Spirit.
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The Carter Report
team has therefore
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accepted the challenge
of worldwide evangelism.
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Millions in Russia, Ukraine,
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the Philippines,
Africa, India, Australia,
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the United States
and the Isles of the Sea
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have heard the
good news of Christ
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as John Carter has
proclaimed God's living word.
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You're invited to be a
part of the Carter team
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by praying and by giving
and when God calls by going.
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Right a note now
to Pastor John Carter,
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PO Box 1900, Thousand
Oaks, California, 91358
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or to PO Box 861,
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Terrigal, NSW 2260, Australia.
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Jesus said, "With God
all things are possible."
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Dr. Ross, we're delighted
to have you with us today.
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Thank you for
joining us. My pleasure.
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We consider that you're
an old friend now. Oh, good.
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Now down the road from us
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is a famous
university Caltech. Yes.
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Some say it's the greatest
university in North America.
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I know it's coming
number one on some occasions.
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You worked at Caltech. Yes.
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Tell me a little bit
about your work at Caltech?
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Oh, I came there after my--
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I got my Ph.D. at
the University of Toronto
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and did
postdoctoral research work
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on distant quasars and galaxies.
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My goal was to
try and understand
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the energy mechanisms
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that were powering
these amazing objects.
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And it was the first place
where I actually met Christians.
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I became a
Christian at age 19 in Canada
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through studying a Gideon Bible,
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but I was until
eight years later
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on the campus of
Caltech that I met Christians
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and I met them in
the astronomy department
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and then had the pleasure
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of leading my
officemate to Christ.
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You don't
usually think of Caltech
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as being an
evangelical center, do you?
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You don't, but
as you pointed out
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it is a top rate university
especially in astronomy
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and physics and attracts
people from all over the world.
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And so you get people of
an evangelical persuasion
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from many different countries.
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It's a very stimulating place
to grow my Christian faith.
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Tell me about these quasars?
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Well, they are powered
by super giant black holes.
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And so you're actually looking
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very far back in the
history of the universe
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when the
universe was quite young
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and that was a time
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when large galaxies were
accumulating a lot of gas
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and this gas was being fit into
the mass of these black holes
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and just outside the--
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the event
arising the black holes
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is where this incoming gas
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gets converted into
energy with 10% efficiency.
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And so these are the brightest
objects in the universe
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and by studying them
we're able to figure out
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the creation
history of the cosmos.
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So as a Christian
that was very fascinating
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to me to actually
figure out exactly
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how God did the right
things at the right time
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to make possible human beings
because as old this universe is,
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there's an
extremely narrow time window
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in which human beings can
exist in a civilized state.
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And you know, the
universe has to be
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very carefully
prepared or to make sure
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that you don't miss
that narrow time window
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for God to bring about
the existence of human begins
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where they can live
in a civilized state.
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This is quite fascinating
to me because I love astronomy.
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How do these quasars tell
us about the creation event?
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Well, it's important that
you get the right elements
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at the right time
on the right bodies
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in order to have
events like possible.
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The universe starts off
with only one element, hydrogen.
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And by the time the universe
is three and half minutes old,
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25% of that hydrogen has
been converted into helium.
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And then as gas
begins to condense
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under the influence
of gravity into stars
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and it takes it just
right mass of the universe
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and a just right dark energy
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to make sure that
stars will actually form
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and then through
several generations of stars,
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that hydrogen and helium
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gets built up into
carbon, oxygen, nitrogen.
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The elements essential for life
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and therefore
life becomes possible
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in the history of the universe,
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but if the
universe doesn't have a mass
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that's exactly right
not too big, not too small
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you'll not get the
elements you need for life.
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If its too big all you get
is elements heavier than iron,
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if its too small all you
get is hydrogen and helium.
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To get the carbon, the oxygen
and nitrogen the phosphorous
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that you need for life
the universe can be no bigger
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and no smaller
than what we observe.
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Now you have
founded an organization
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called Reasons
to Believe. Right.
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It's a pretty good title,
you know, Reasons to Believe.
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As you know I'm a pastor
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and I run evangelistic
campaigns around the world.
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We've had
millions of secular people
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attend our lectures
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and the purpose
of those meetings
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is to give people
reasons to believe.
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Tell me about
Reasons to Believe,
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why you founded it
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and what sort of
work are you doing now?
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Well, when I was at Caltech
I also got involved in a church
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that made me a
minister of evangelism
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and wasn't very
long till I realized
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to be successful
as an evangelist,
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you need to
approach secular people
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with new reasons to believe.
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Not too many
people have got that yet,
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because the church on the whole
is not reaching secular people.
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But I think you're
reaching secular people?
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Right, I mean our goal is
to reach adults for Christ.
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I commend those who
are reaching children.
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I commend those
who are reaching adults
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who are raised in
Christian homes. Yes.
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Our target audience are adults
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who have not been
exposed to the Christian faith.
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There's something that
you see in the Book of Acts
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when Paul went into Athens,
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he engaged the leaders there
with new reasons to believe.
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Now, I would agree
that the historical evidence
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for Jesus rising bodily from
the dead is very strong. Yes.
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The problem is
getting people to listen.
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And so what we would do
and what we continue to do
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is we'll talk to
people about something
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that was
discovered for the first time,
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may be two days ago.
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Everybody wants to
talk about the latest ideas.
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And so we begin
with the new reasons
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to believe in Christ as
Creator, Lord and Savior
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and use those new evidences
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as a bridge to the
traditional evidences.
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And the wonderful thing about
being alive in the 21st century
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there are about ten
scientific discoveries
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that are made
everyday that are giving us
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more powerful evidences
for the Christian faith.
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You know, you and I
have got a lot in common.
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I'm an Australian
and I come from a--
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I'm also an American citizen.
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I'm both now. I'm a hybrid.
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Oh, I'm too. I'm a
hybrid Canadian American.
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Yes, well, I'm an
Australian America
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or an American Australian.
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I was brought up in
a very secular society
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and when I was a young pastor
I had a passion in my soul
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to try to reach
unbelievers to Christ.
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And that's we devised the system
of using biblical archeology,
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the story of the pyramids
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and we got tremendous
crowds to the Sydney Opera House
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and the great Dallas
Brooks Theater in Melbourne
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and then in Russia we had
about three million communists
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and atheists
come to our meetings.
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I know what
you're talking about,
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because too often it seems to me
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the church is
preaching to the choir. Right.
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But you're not
preaching to the choir,
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you go on to university campuses
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and you're trying to
spread the word of Christ
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to people who
don't, don't believe
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and you're trying to
give them reasons to believe.
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So I think this is marvelous.
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Well, thank you.
Tell me about your staff?
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Oh, Reasons to Believe,
we've a paid staff of about 30,
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but we've 3,000
volunteers. Oh, that's terrific.
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And so our goal is to--
Three thousand volunteers?
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Volunteers around the world
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and our goal is to take them
through our training courses,
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so they will become equipped
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to use this new
reasons to believe
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to bring people
to faith in Christ.
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I mean our staff is limited
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but through our
volunteers we can reach. No, no.
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You're doing something,
I'm very much impressed.
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Tell me about your family?
Well, I've a wife and two sons.
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And you know, my wife
is kind of the executive
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for Reasons to Believe.
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She's got great
people, skills and...
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What you're
saying she's the boss?
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Yeah, she's the boss.
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Of course she sets me
free and the other scientists,
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other staff free
to do the research,
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the writing and the speaking.
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Now, we all
have confidence that,
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you know, she holds our views
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and you know, can manage
our perspective very well
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and so that way we
can write books and--
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You're looking very well.
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You had a health
crisis not so long ago.
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I've just read your
book on the Book of Job.
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At the start of the book
you talk about a health crisis.
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How you're doing?
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And what was--tell the
people about the health crisis?
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Well, I'm doing very well
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but yeah, I mean I
was--yeah I run everyday
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and went on this one trailer
was running down the hill
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and I had severe pain
and said this isn't good. No.
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In the chest? In the chest.
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I had pretty
good idea what it was
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and I went to the doctor.
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He had me do a treadmill test
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and I passed it
with flying colors.
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But I still had
the serious pain.
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I said give me an angiogram.
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He says, well, its
not gonna show anything.
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Well, they did the angiogram,
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my widow maker artery
was completely blocked. Yeah.
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The one from north to south.
It was completely blocked?
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And they said
you're not going home.
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We're gonna operate on you.
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Completely, 100%. Yeah.
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Well, it turned out it
wasn't cholesterol or plaque,
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it was a clot. Oh.
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Because now the artery
is completely clear. Yeah.
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I got five arteries to
my heart now not just four.
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But they did do a bypass
and I recovered very well.
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And the amazing thing was I
got visited by five chaplains,
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four of them
didn't know the Lord.
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And when I
talked to them I said,
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you know, why
are you not believing
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the Bible as God's word?
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And they said, science.
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And so how much
science training have you had?
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Well, they had virtually none.
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And then I let them know that
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I was a
scientist and a believer.
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And so I realized,
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you know, that health
trauma gave me opportunities
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to share my Christian faith
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that I would never
otherwise have had.
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You're a soldier.
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I know of your
little bit of your schedule.
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I just appreciate
you. You're a soldier.
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Then your son had an
awful experience? He did.
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He was stabbed? He
was stabbed four times.
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In Los Angeles?
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Well, this was just
south of Los Angeles.
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Down towards San Diego. Right.
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And, you know, he was trying
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to pull an
attacker off his friend.
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His friend got killed.
His friend got murdered?
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Yeah, he was murdered.
He got stabbed eight times.
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He didn't survive.
And our son almost died.
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We didn't know for three days
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whether he was
gonna live or die.
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But he did survive.
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How he is doing
now? He's doing well.
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He's got, you know, 60 stitches
but he's doing well, so.
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And he's had, again we could see
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the hand of the Lord in this
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because five of the
friends of the young man--
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the young man who got killed
was heading for the ministry.
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I'll say son of
well known pastor
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but through it all
five of his friends
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and friends of my son
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rededicated
their life to Christ.
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They had walked
away from the church
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and because of the incident
they rededicated their life.
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In fact I remember being
in the hospital with my son
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and telling
these five young men,
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you know, we're grieving.
It's good for us to grieve.
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Let me tell you a
story of another young man
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that was killed, stoned to
death and his friends grieved.
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Of course we're talking
about Steven. Yeah, Steven.
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It says because of
the death of Steven,
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look who came to Christ. Paul.
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Paul came to Christ.
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And it's doubtful that
Paul would have come to Christ
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unless Steven was willing to go
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at the time God
called him to go.
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So you're a scientist,
you're well known scientist.
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You go back to Caltech,
you go on university campuses.
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You've been to more
than 300 university campuses
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across the United
States of America.
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You lectured to
thousands of other scientists
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and yet you have
a commitment to God
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and you're a
born again Christian
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and Jesus is your Lord. Right.
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Some people tell me
there's such a conflict
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between science and this
book, the Bible, that this,
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this great
conflict cannot be resolved,
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but it certainly has
been resolved in your life.
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Well, if God
created the universe
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and if God inspired
the Bible-- Which He did.
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Which he did and God can't lie.
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Eight times He
tells in the Bible,
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it's impossible for
God the lie or deceived.
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That means the facts of nature
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and the words of the
Bible must completely agree
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and cooperate one another.
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The problem is theology
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is not the same as
the words of the Bible.
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That's correct.
It's our interpretation.
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And science is not the
same as the facts of nature,
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its interpretation. Yes.
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Therefore as a
scientist and as the evangelist,
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I would expect that
science and theology
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will on occasion contradict.
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But that gives us
the opportunity to say
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let's study this more
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and see where we've gone wrong
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and how we can
reconcile the two.
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When you do that
you'll learn truths
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you otherwise would not learn.
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And so we tell our
people when we train them is
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welcome the
apparent contradictions
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as you gonna learn something
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by wrestling
with those anomalies.
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And keep your mind open.
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Keep your mind
open and realize this,
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every time you
resolve an anomaly,
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God will show you
three or four more anomalies
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that gonna allow you
to learn even more. Yeah.
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And so to me this is a thrill,
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this job of trying to
reconcile the two books
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and by wrestling
through the anomalies
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actually getting
a more consistent
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and deeper
knowledge of the truth.
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You know, God wants us to
study and my whole point is,
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that if you're a
serious Christian
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you are commanded by
the Bible to be a scientist.
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You are commanded to
study the record of nature.
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Psalm and Job
especially bring that out.
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But if you're a
Christian, you're also commanded
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to be a theologian.
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We have to research and
study the books of the Bible.
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And what I see in
university campuses
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that scientists who are
expert in their discipline,
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but not the other
science disciplines.
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And a lot of them will say well,
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the Darwinian paradigm
isn't working in my discipline,
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but I know the
others got to figure it out.
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Well, they're all saying that.
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And so we integrate
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the different
scientific disciplines,
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then you begin to
see a common thread.
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And this is what testifies
of the Christian faith.
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In many respects I think
its harder for the scientist
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to become Christians today,
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because there isn't
the effort to integrate
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that there was a 100 years ago.
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Can I tell you a
little story? Sure.
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Back in
Australia, many years ago
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when I was a young preacher
and I've been preaching know,
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the gospel and
evangelist meetings for more
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just over 50 years. Wow.
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Fifty years and two months
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and by the grace
of God still going.
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Well, I met an old man
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his name was Mr.
Mella or Mr. Mula.
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He's an old German
man. He came to my meetings.
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When I had to visit
him, he was a saint of God.
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He was an old
Lutheran and he said to me,
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Pastor Carter, I'm
a bigoted Lutheran.
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I said bigoted. He said, yes.
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I said, well, okay.
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Well, I've heard of
Missouri Lutheran somewhat.
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This is a new type of Lutheran.
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He's an
Australian bigoted Lutheran.
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And as we, as we
continued to talk,
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he kept talking
about being bigoted.
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He is talking about
being bigoted. Oh, I see.
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He said, I'm a bigoted Lutheran.
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Well, I said,
you don't want to be
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too embarrassed, Mr. Mula.
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We've got some
bigoted Adventists.
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And there are
some bigoted Methodists
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and bigoted Presbyterians
and bigoted Catholics.
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By the grace of God
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we've got to get
over being bigoted
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and let God open up our
minds to new ideas I believe.
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Dr. Richard Dawkins I think
in his own way is quite bigoted.
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He is as you would
know better than I do,
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one of the most
famous atheist in the world
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and a militant atheist. Right.
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I saw a DVD that I know
that you're familiar with
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and I know it had its drawbacks,
but it's called Expelled.
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Just trying to think of it,
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Expelled: No
Intelligence Allowed. Right.
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And the final scene is a scene
when Dr. Dawkins is interviewed
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and the
interviewer says Dr. Dawkins
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do you believe in God?
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He said, of course I
don't believe in God.
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This is completely nonsense.
Nobody could believe in God.
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No, I don't believe in God.
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He said, don't even
suggest that. He said no.
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You wouldn't believe in
intelligent design in nature.
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He said, of
course not--of course,
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he said well, actually there
is intelligent design in nature.
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You've probably
seen the DVD? I have.
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And then he says, well,
it didn't come from God,
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but it came from a
superior intelligence
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somewhere out there in space.
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Now we believe in a
superior intelligence
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out there in space, don't we?
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Well, John, we saw that
DVD before it was released
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and they wanted us
to endorse it. Yeah.
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And we couldn't because
I realized that they had...
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Distort or something?
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They had trapped
Richard Dawkins. Oh.
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If you watch the
DVD very carefully,
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you got to watch
it extremely carefully
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but I was picking it up on,
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because I know that
Richard Dawkin's faces before.
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He was asked this question.
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If you were forced to defend
an intelligent design position,
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how would you do it?
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He says, well, I
don't believe it.
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But if I was forced to defend
an intelligent design position,
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I would say aliens
from another planet
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brought life
here to planet earth.
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So this doesn't
come over in the DVD.
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That doesn't
come across that way.
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And we thought, you
know, this is going to get
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a very negative
reaction from scientists.
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Because scientist hate deception
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and the thing comes
across as deceptive.
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So he says, you know,
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our goal is to maintain
integrity with a scientific--
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Made for-- In other words
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what you're saying
this DVD actually fuels
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the antipathy between
believers and nonbelievers.
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It made it worse. It
made it worse. Right.
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It is somewhat,
what should I say,
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it's a little
sarcastic, isn't it?
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Well, to me it was offensive
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in the way they
trapped Richard Dawkins
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and they're apparently saying
something he doesn't believe.
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And that's a last
thing you want to do
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to a scientist
who's trying to reach...
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Because on the DVD he says, yes,
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well if, if there is a--he says,
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I can see
intelligent design in nature.
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Well, design is not
the issue with scientist.
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I mean, we
actually read Dawkins book,
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he's talking
about design everywhere.
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All scientists agree
we see design in nature.
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The big debate is who
or what is responsible
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for the design that we see.
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Dawkins point is
that Darwinian principles
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can explain the design.
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Our perspective is, no,
you need an intelligent being,
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who is spiritual, and
mindful, and conscious.
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Who is more
powerful and more intelligent
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and better equipped
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than we human
beings to explain we see.
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Is it true to
say that if one is--
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now you're, you're
the authority on this
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and therefore I'm asking you
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this question as
a seek of the truth.
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Is it not true to say that
00:22:06.00\00:22:08.74
if a scientist who is an atheist
an atheist and evolutionist
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as no belief in
a divine creator?
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If he is completely honest,
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will he not be
forced to concede the truth
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that he does not know
how it started, the cell?
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That is true.
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If we look at the origin of life
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what we notice
is that it happened
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in an
instantaneous geologic instant.
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So this is, now you're using
the arguments that they use
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to the extent that you're
talking about the conditions
00:22:51.79\00:22:53.85
that they say existed,
00:22:53.88\00:22:56.01
but an atheistic
evolutionist has to say
00:22:56.04\00:23:00.17
he's got no idea
how they started.
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Well, actually launch the
discipline of astrobiology.
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The recognition
that the origin of life
00:23:05.73\00:23:08.45
happen on planet
earth without any prebiotics
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and in an instant of time
has led to the conclusion,
00:23:11.73\00:23:15.15
it must have
come from outer space.
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Which is transpermia? Yeah.
00:23:16.69\00:23:18.33
Is that right? Right.
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The whole idea and
that's why they went to Mars
00:23:19.76\00:23:22.12
but the conditions on
Mars are actually worse
00:23:22.15\00:23:24.38
for the original life
than they are here on earth.
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And so they kept pushing
it farther and farther away
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and then say its
all must have happen on
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some unknown planetary system
00:23:31.29\00:23:33.77
and got transported
across interstellar space
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by a member
attending an origin of life
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research conference in
Mexico where a researcher got up
00:23:39.37\00:23:44.67
and the astronomer said
planet earth only gets one rock
00:23:44.70\00:23:48.91
the size of a human fist
from the other planetary system
00:23:48.94\00:23:52.90
every 10 to the 16 years.
00:23:52.93\00:23:55.81
That's a million times more
than the age of the universe.
00:23:55.84\00:23:59.90
And therefore we couldn't
have gotten life that way.
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And finally a fellow
came up to the microphone,
00:24:02.38\00:24:04.41
a scientist and
said we've been debating
00:24:04.44\00:24:06.67
the origin of
life for four days now.
00:24:06.70\00:24:09.29
We ruled out earth from
a naturalistic perspective.
00:24:09.32\00:24:12.60
We ruled out other
solar system planets.
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We ruled out comets.
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We ruled out
other planetary systems.
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There's only one
explanation left.
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Aliens on
spaceships came to planet earth
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and they deposited
life here on planet earth
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and probably they came
back with the Cambrian explosion
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and maybe they came back
for the origin of human race.
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Well, that's a wonderful
statement of faith, isn't that?
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Well, the problem from
an astronomer's perspective,
00:24:35.82\00:24:39.00
there's a narrow time window
in the history of the universe
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in which advance
life is possible.
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Some Christians
not all by any means,
00:24:45.52\00:24:47.83
but some Christians are afraid
of the term the Big Bang. Yes.
00:24:47.86\00:24:54.02
I've mentioned it,
when I have been preaching.
00:24:54.05\00:24:56.27
Because I believe it is a
wonderful illustration that,
00:24:56.30\00:25:01.02
that shows the
authenticity of scripture.
00:25:01.05\00:25:04.88
The Big Bang seems to say that
00:25:04.91\00:25:07.09
once upon a time
there was nothing
00:25:07.12\00:25:08.80
and all of a
sudden there's everything.
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Some people are afraid
that if you believe the Big Bang
00:25:13.67\00:25:17.12
you got to believe in evolution.
Can you comment on that?
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That's very interesting
00:25:21.82\00:25:23.19
about the history
of Big Bang cosmology.
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When the Big Bang
was first proposed
00:25:26.06\00:25:28.34
by a Belgian
priest back in the 1920s,
00:25:28.37\00:25:33.27
there was an immediate reaction
00:25:33.30\00:25:34.74
from the
astronomical community--
00:25:34.77\00:25:36.62
who said if it's Big Bang
we only got billions of years.
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If we only got billions of years
00:25:40.63\00:25:42.19
there's no way to
defend a Darwinian paradigm
00:25:42.22\00:25:45.42
for the origin
of history of life.
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We have to
somehow make the universe
00:25:47.58\00:25:49.40
at least trillions of years old
00:25:49.43\00:25:51.34
if not quad millions
of years old. Goodness.
00:25:51.37\00:25:54.04
But after 60 years of
fighting against the Big Bang
00:25:54.07\00:25:57.53
the community
of astronomers says
00:25:57.56\00:25:59.77
the evidence is so strong
00:25:59.80\00:26:01.51
we have to recognize
that there is a Big Bang
00:26:01.54\00:26:04.71
and a beginning
and the cause of age
00:26:04.74\00:26:07.02
beyond space and
time that created it.
00:26:07.05\00:26:09.31
Describe to me in the,
00:26:09.34\00:26:11.35
in the words of an
astronomer the Big Bang.
00:26:11.38\00:26:14.75
What is the Big Bang?
00:26:14.78\00:26:16.18
Well, I started
studying astronomy seriously
00:26:16.21\00:26:18.43
when I was seven years of age.
00:26:18.46\00:26:19.88
In fact I chose my career
when I was eight years of age.
00:26:19.91\00:26:23.75
And every year I will look
00:26:23.78\00:26:25.15
at a different
sub-discipline of astronomy.
00:26:25.18\00:26:27.99
And when I was 16
I studied cosmology.
00:26:28.02\00:26:30.54
And that's when I realized
00:26:30.57\00:26:31.94
the evidence
was heavily favoring
00:26:31.97\00:26:33.66
the Big Bang explanation.
00:26:33.69\00:26:35.99
And that's what led
me to the recognition
00:26:36.02\00:26:37.68
there's got to be a God
00:26:37.71\00:26:39.15
'cause if there's Big
Bang there is a beginning,
00:26:39.18\00:26:41.35
when there is a
beginning, there is a beginner
00:26:41.38\00:26:43.57
and that's when
I started to study
00:26:43.60\00:26:44.97
the different
religions of the world.
00:26:45.00\00:26:46.59
Because not all
scientists believed
00:26:46.62\00:26:49.94
that there had been a Big Bang.
00:26:49.97\00:26:52.73
At that time there
was still people promoting
00:26:52.76\00:26:55.14
the Steady State theory,
the Oscillating Universe Theory
00:26:55.17\00:26:59.02
and I studied those models
00:26:59.05\00:27:00.45
but realize there was a
lot of observational evidence
00:27:00.48\00:27:03.61
against Steady State cosmology
00:27:03.64\00:27:06.08
and they hesitating an
oscillating universe models.
00:27:06.11\00:27:09.31
But do you know when I finally
picked up a Bible at age 17
00:27:09.34\00:27:12.34
and began to go through it.
00:27:12.37\00:27:14.16
I recognized
this book had taught
00:27:14.19\00:27:16.54
Big Bang
cosmology thousands of years
00:27:16.57\00:27:18.98
before any
astronomer discovered it.
00:27:19.01\00:27:21.33
Let me describe it.
00:27:21.36\00:27:22.73
It talks about how
there's a beginning.
00:27:22.76\00:27:24.44
Most people who've
read the Bible realize that,
00:27:24.47\00:27:27.06
they could read
the text carefully,
00:27:27.09\00:27:29.48
it says the
beginning of the universe
00:27:29.51\00:27:31.50
is the beginning of
space and time itself
00:27:31.53\00:27:35.33
and that God
created universe of matter,
00:27:35.36\00:27:38.32
energy, space and time
independent outside beyond
00:27:38.35\00:27:42.54
space, time, matter, and energy.
00:27:42.57\00:27:44.32
So God's not a
part of space and time
00:27:44.35\00:27:46.29
and any of
these things, does He?
00:27:46.32\00:27:47.92
He is over and beyond that.
00:27:47.95\00:27:49.32
Well, space and
time didn't exist
00:27:49.35\00:27:50.79
until He created the universe.
00:27:50.82\00:27:53.10
Now this is important
00:27:53.13\00:27:54.50
because in fact in Hinduism
and Buddhism for example,
00:27:54.53\00:27:57.26
it speaks about space and
time being eternal entities
00:27:57.29\00:28:01.22
in which God creates.
00:28:01.25\00:28:03.00
The Bible says no,
space and time are finite.
00:28:03.03\00:28:06.81
They are created by God
and He creates a universe.
00:28:06.84\00:28:10.40
So that was important to me
00:28:10.43\00:28:11.82
and then I realized as I read
into the Book of Job and Psalms
00:28:11.85\00:28:15.23
and specially
Isaiah and Jeremiah,
00:28:15.26\00:28:18.39
the Bible taught
that the universe
00:28:18.42\00:28:19.91
was continuously
expanding and I was being
00:28:19.94\00:28:22.84
continuously expanded
by a supernatural being
00:28:22.87\00:28:26.22
who is tinkling
with the cosmic expansion
00:28:26.25\00:28:28.94
to make sure you can
get life in human beings.
00:28:28.97\00:28:32.25
No book outside of the Bible
00:28:32.28\00:28:35.24
taught that
until the 20th century.
00:28:35.27\00:28:37.33
For thousands of years the
Bible stood alone in saying
00:28:37.36\00:28:41.00
we live in a
continuously expanding universe
00:28:41.03\00:28:44.05
and a
continuously expanding universe
00:28:44.08\00:28:46.15
that expands under
constant laws of physics.
00:28:46.18\00:28:49.54
And also describes in
detail in the Book of Romans
00:28:49.57\00:28:52.18
one of those
laws of law of decay.
00:28:52.21\00:28:55.16
If you read Romans carefully
00:28:55.19\00:28:57.12
it's a very
accurate description,
00:28:57.15\00:28:59.17
it's a second law
of thermodynamics.
00:28:59.20\00:29:01.72
And it says
okay, if the universe
00:29:01.75\00:29:03.12
is continuously expanding
under constant laws of physics,
00:29:03.15\00:29:06.97
for one of those laws
00:29:07.00\00:29:08.80
is the second law
of thermodynamics,
00:29:08.83\00:29:10.90
a law of decay.
00:29:10.93\00:29:12.36
That means the universe
must get colder and colder
00:29:12.39\00:29:15.77
in a highly predictable
way. Yes, it must run down.
00:29:15.80\00:29:18.54
It must run down
00:29:18.57\00:29:20.36
and if we know the
age of the universe
00:29:20.39\00:29:22.65
we can actually
determine what the Bible says
00:29:22.68\00:29:25.06
exactly what the
temperature curve
00:29:25.09\00:29:26.96
will look like
throughout cosmic history.
00:29:26.99\00:29:29.24
Guess what? It's a perfect fit.
00:29:29.27\00:29:32.00
Everything the Bible
says about the universe
00:29:32.03\00:29:34.26
and it said so
uniquely for thousands of years,
00:29:34.29\00:29:37.41
we now know is true.
00:29:37.44\00:29:39.29
And as a
teenager that was probably
00:29:39.32\00:29:41.88
the most crucial
point in convincing me
00:29:41.91\00:29:45.86
that the Bible had to come
from the being beyond space
00:29:45.89\00:29:49.28
and time that created universe.
00:29:49.31\00:29:50.68
Therefore the term Big
Bang is a descriptive term
00:29:50.71\00:29:55.04
used by scientists to talk about
00:29:55.07\00:29:58.57
the creation of
the universe-- Right.
00:29:58.60\00:30:01.66
Space and time
and everything else.
00:30:01.69\00:30:06.25
Now you believe
00:30:06.28\00:30:11.17
and virtually the whole
scientific world believes
00:30:11.20\00:30:14.79
that this took place
13.7 billion years ago. Right.
00:30:14.82\00:30:22.23
That's when the
cosmos came into place
00:30:22.26\00:30:25.84
through the hand of
Almighty God. Right.
00:30:25.87\00:30:28.61
billion years go.
00:30:28.64\00:30:33.81
I'm going to ask
you this question,
00:30:33.84\00:30:36.23
how do you know the universe
is 13.7 billion years ago?
00:30:36.26\00:30:42.32
And how do you know
00:30:42.35\00:30:43.72
that this is not
just another idea
00:30:43.75\00:30:47.38
that scientists are
going to give up one day?
00:30:47.41\00:30:50.57
I'm going to ask
you that question,
00:30:50.60\00:30:52.68
but firstly, we are
going to have a message.
00:30:52.71\00:30:56.47
And I want you to look at this
message very, very carefully.
00:30:56.50\00:31:00.46
Then after this message
I'll be back with Dr. Hugh Ross
00:31:00.49\00:31:04.49
as we talk about
the age of the universe.
00:31:04.52\00:31:08.18
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Welcome back.
00:32:13.73\00:32:15.10
We are talking to Dr.
Hugh Ross, a famous astronomer.
00:32:15.13\00:32:18.17
Welcome back,
Dr. Ross. Thank you.
00:32:18.20\00:32:20.51
How do you know
that the universe
00:32:20.54\00:32:22.91
is 13.7 billion
years old? Good question.
00:32:22.94\00:32:27.76
I actually wrote an
entire book on that subject
00:32:27.79\00:32:29.83
"The Creator and the Cosmos."
00:32:29.86\00:32:31.25
There is about a dozen
different independent tools,
00:32:31.28\00:32:34.78
astronomers have for
measuring the time back
00:32:34.81\00:32:37.34
to the cosmic creation event.
00:32:37.37\00:32:39.72
And you're talking as a
scientist as an astronomer,
00:32:39.75\00:32:42.39
but also as a Christian
who believes the Bible. Right.
00:32:42.42\00:32:47.16
And to me one of the
more fascinating things about
00:32:47.19\00:32:50.00
our discovery of the cosmic
creation event is recognizing
00:32:50.03\00:32:54.23
that we human
beings are existing
00:32:54.26\00:32:56.75
at the only time
and cosmic history,
00:32:56.78\00:33:00.07
but we get to see the
whole history of the universe.
00:33:00.10\00:33:03.45
So for example, if God
places on the cosmic scene
00:33:03.48\00:33:06.64
five billion years ago
00:33:06.67\00:33:08.45
we will only be seen two thirds
of the history of the universe.
00:33:08.48\00:33:11.81
We would have no data
from the cosmic creation event.
00:33:11.84\00:33:14.87
Because in astronomy we
are always looking back in time
00:33:14.90\00:33:18.05
that takes light time
to travel to our telescope.
00:33:18.08\00:33:20.98
So the farther way we look,
the farter back in time we see.
00:33:21.01\00:33:24.83
But if we were created too early
00:33:24.86\00:33:27.43
right from the
cosmic creation event
00:33:27.46\00:33:29.50
does not have adequate time
00:33:29.53\00:33:31.20
to travel on the
surface of the universe
00:33:31.23\00:33:33.72
and reach our telescopes.
00:33:33.75\00:33:35.59
But if we were
created any later,
00:33:35.62\00:33:37.62
dark energy something
we have just discovered
00:33:37.65\00:33:40.12
is causing the
universe to accelerate
00:33:40.15\00:33:42.51
in terms of this expansion
00:33:42.54\00:33:44.39
will speed the light
from the cosmic creation event
00:33:44.42\00:33:47.02
away from us greater
than the velocity of light.
00:33:47.05\00:33:49.51
We are going to talk
about this dark energy
00:33:49.54\00:33:51.10
in a moment. Sure.
00:33:51.13\00:33:52.50
But tell me how do you know
00:33:52.53\00:33:53.93
the universe is 13.7
billion years old? Okay.
00:33:53.96\00:33:58.46
Well, that's a
theological reason.
00:33:58.49\00:34:00.09
There is only one time in
the history of the universe
00:34:00.12\00:34:02.84
namely when its
13.7 billion years old
00:34:02.87\00:34:05.90
where you get to
see the whole story.
00:34:05.93\00:34:07.62
But how can you measure?
00:34:07.65\00:34:09.24
How we can measure that?
00:34:09.27\00:34:11.18
Okay, the two methods
00:34:11.21\00:34:12.72
that give us a
greatest precision
00:34:12.75\00:34:15.27
is looking at the radiation
in the cosmic creation event.
00:34:15.30\00:34:18.17
What we call the
cosmic background radiation
00:34:18.20\00:34:21.46
which is, you know, because
we are looking back in time.
00:34:21.49\00:34:23.90
Astronomers can now
look so far back in time,
00:34:23.93\00:34:26.76
so far away that
we see that moment
00:34:26.79\00:34:29.60
when light was
separated from darkness.
00:34:29.63\00:34:32.67
But the sizes of the
bright spots and the dark spots
00:34:32.70\00:34:36.24
are proportional to
the age of the universe.
00:34:36.27\00:34:38.81
So the spots have
become bigger or smaller
00:34:38.84\00:34:41.09
depending how long
universe has been around.
00:34:41.12\00:34:43.98
And by measuring
carefully those spot diameters
00:34:44.01\00:34:48.02
we can determine
that the universe
00:34:48.05\00:34:49.66
is 13.76 billion years
old plus or minus .11 billion.
00:34:49.69\00:34:55.02
We are now getting it to
three places the decimal.
00:34:55.05\00:34:58.26
The second most accurate way
00:34:58.29\00:34:59.96
of measuring the
age of the universe
00:34:59.99\00:35:02.43
is to look at
clusters of galaxies
00:35:02.46\00:35:04.75
and we realize is
that these bright spots
00:35:04.78\00:35:07.41
in the cosmic
background radiation,
00:35:07.44\00:35:09.29
when light was
separated from darkness
00:35:09.32\00:35:11.56
they become the future galaxies
and clusters of galaxies.
00:35:11.59\00:35:15.78
And by mapping the clusters
of galaxies that we see,
00:35:15.81\00:35:19.58
now that will also
00:35:19.61\00:35:20.98
in terms of where they
are geographically distributed
00:35:21.01\00:35:23.68
give us a date for when
the universe was created
00:35:23.71\00:35:26.97
and it agrees
perfectly with the date
00:35:27.00\00:35:29.24
we get from looking at the
cosmic background radiation.
00:35:29.27\00:35:32.43
Now the simplest way to
measure the age of the universe
00:35:32.46\00:35:35.67
is to look at how fast
the universe is expanding.
00:35:35.70\00:35:38.85
I mean, in order to get carbon,
00:35:38.88\00:35:40.59
oxygen and
nitrogen in the universe,
00:35:40.62\00:35:42.67
the universe has to begin
00:35:42.70\00:35:44.32
infinitesimally small
and infinitesimally hot.
00:35:44.35\00:35:47.97
How do you know it is expanding?
00:35:48.00\00:35:50.49
Because we can see the
galaxy spreading apart.
00:35:50.52\00:35:53.51
You can actually see it?
00:35:53.54\00:35:54.91
Well, because we
astronomers look back in time,
00:35:54.94\00:35:58.53
we can look at
galaxies that are say
00:35:58.56\00:36:00.83
two billion light years away
00:36:00.86\00:36:02.44
which means you're seeing
them two billion years ago.
00:36:02.47\00:36:05.66
We can also look at
a part of the universe.
00:36:05.69\00:36:07.68
We are looking 10 or 12
billion light years away.
00:36:07.71\00:36:10.73
Now once you notice is
the far the way you look,
00:36:10.76\00:36:13.25
the closer the
galaxies are jammed together.
00:36:13.28\00:36:15.97
In fact, I could
show you a photograph
00:36:16.00\00:36:17.58
that is actually
one in this book.
00:36:17.61\00:36:18.98
Yes, I have seen them.
00:36:19.01\00:36:20.38
Where I show you
we are looking back
00:36:20.41\00:36:22.72
12 billion light years
and the galaxies are jammed
00:36:22.75\00:36:25.39
so tightly together
00:36:25.42\00:36:27.05
they are literally ripping
spiral alarms off one another.
00:36:27.08\00:36:29.82
We call them Tadpole Galaxies.
00:36:29.85\00:36:32.41
But if you look say two
billion light years away
00:36:32.44\00:36:35.21
the galaxies
have now spread apart.
00:36:35.24\00:36:37.38
And of course, you got
many photo images in between
00:36:37.41\00:36:40.41
as kind of like
looking at an album
00:36:40.44\00:36:44.42
of say your grandfather
where you see a photograph,
00:36:44.45\00:36:47.36
when he is a baby and a toddler,
00:36:47.39\00:36:49.04
then a teenager and a
young man and an older man.
00:36:49.07\00:36:52.29
We can actually see the
universe getting older and older
00:36:52.32\00:36:55.53
more and more stretched apart,
00:36:55.56\00:36:57.47
more and more
expanded as the universe goes
00:36:57.50\00:37:00.08
in the cosmic creation
event to the present day.
00:37:00.11\00:37:02.52
This is very impressive.
00:37:02.55\00:37:04.56
A millisecond after the Big
Bang or the moment of creation,
00:37:04.59\00:37:08.53
there were four forces,
were they not in the universe?
00:37:08.56\00:37:12.00
By a millisecond
you got four forces.
00:37:12.03\00:37:14.45
If you're at (10
to the (-43)) seconds
00:37:14.48\00:37:17.51
you got one,
then it becomes two,
00:37:17.54\00:37:20.22
then three, then four.
00:37:20.25\00:37:21.86
What are the four?
00:37:21.89\00:37:23.26
The four are
gravity, electromagnetism,
00:37:23.29\00:37:27.23
the strong nuclear force
00:37:27.26\00:37:29.11
and the weak
nuclear force. Okay.
00:37:29.14\00:37:31.31
And this is where we
use particle accelerators
00:37:31.34\00:37:33.57
because in particle accelerators
00:37:33.60\00:37:35.71
we duplicate the
energy density conditions
00:37:35.74\00:37:38.47
when the universe was very young
00:37:38.50\00:37:40.62
and we actually have
particle accelerate experiments
00:37:40.65\00:37:43.46
that show the
unification of electromagnetism
00:37:43.49\00:37:47.01
with the weak nuclear force.
00:37:47.04\00:37:48.99
And now we are going after
00:37:49.02\00:37:50.39
to the
confirmation of the unification
00:37:50.42\00:37:53.32
of the strong nuclear force
with the electro weak force.
00:37:53.35\00:37:56.76
There's a balance between
these four forces? Right.
00:37:56.79\00:38:00.53
Talk to me about this, please.
00:38:00.56\00:38:02.31
Well, if you want stars
that will be stable enough
00:38:02.34\00:38:05.75
so that you have
planets with life on them.
00:38:05.78\00:38:08.42
It's critical that you balance
the force of electromagnetism
00:38:08.45\00:38:13.43
to the force of
gravity to better than
00:38:13.46\00:38:15.63
trillion, trillion, trillion.
00:38:15.66\00:38:19.21
If you would change the ratio--
One part, one part to what?
00:38:19.24\00:38:22.54
One part in ten of the fortieth.
00:38:22.57\00:38:24.54
If you were to disturb
00:38:24.57\00:38:25.94
the ratio of the
electromagnetic force
00:38:25.97\00:38:27.83
to the gravitational
force by as little as one part
00:38:27.86\00:38:30.79
and ten of the fortieth,
00:38:30.82\00:38:32.38
stars will
either not form at all
00:38:32.41\00:38:34.86
or they will form
and instantly explode.
00:38:34.89\00:38:37.27
In both cases
life is not possible.
00:38:37.30\00:38:40.31
These figures are somewhat
00:38:40.34\00:38:41.84
incomprehensible
to the human mind.
00:38:41.87\00:38:46.24
Tell it to be again,
what is the balance again?
00:38:46.27\00:38:49.90
If you are to disturb
00:38:49.93\00:38:51.30
the ratio of the
electromagnetic force
00:38:51.33\00:38:53.37
to the gravitational
force by as little as one part
00:38:53.40\00:38:57.57
in 10,000 trillion,
trillion, trillion--
00:38:57.60\00:39:00.61
That's probably more than
the atoms in the universe.
00:39:00.64\00:39:04.31
Well, not quite.
00:39:04.34\00:39:05.71
There is 10 of the 79 protons
and neutrons in the universe.
00:39:05.74\00:39:09.24
But you know what?
00:39:09.27\00:39:10.80
I didn't give you
my best example. No.
00:39:10.83\00:39:13.19
My example would be the
fine tuning in dark energy.
00:39:13.22\00:39:18.16
Let's talk
about this dark energy
00:39:18.19\00:39:20.69
because I understand
00:39:20.72\00:39:23.48
when you look
out in the heavens,
00:39:23.51\00:39:25.86
look up at the stars
00:39:25.89\00:39:28.88
we only see a tiny percentage
of what's really out there
00:39:28.91\00:39:32.27
about only we see
less than one percent.
00:39:32.30\00:39:35.61
Is it not true when we
see the light and stars?
00:39:35.64\00:39:39.30
No, yeah, we now know
00:39:39.33\00:39:42.00
that the universe is dominated
by dark stuff. How much?
00:39:42.03\00:39:44.82
The stars and
galaxies and the gas clouds
00:39:44.85\00:39:48.75
that we see make up only .27%
00:39:48.78\00:39:52.52
of all the
stuff of the universe.
00:39:52.55\00:39:53.95
The universe is
99.73% dark stuff.
00:39:53.98\00:39:58.48
This is somewhat
a recent discovery?
00:39:58.51\00:40:01.71
Well, it's difficult
to detect the dark stuff
00:40:01.74\00:40:04.28
because it's not
going to emit light.
00:40:04.31\00:40:06.19
We detected it by looking
at the gravitational influence
00:40:06.22\00:40:10.89
that the dark stuff imposes
on the stuff we can't see.
00:40:10.92\00:40:13.87
Most of the stuff
is dark stuff. Right.
00:40:13.90\00:40:16.53
We see it, and we don't see it.
00:40:16.56\00:40:18.74
Well, we don't its light,
00:40:18.77\00:40:20.14
but we do see its
gravitational influence.
00:40:20.17\00:40:22.69
No. We know it exists.
00:40:22.72\00:40:24.09
We know it exists and we know
it has three different forms.
00:40:24.12\00:40:27.33
And by the way the
Bible said it first,
00:40:27.36\00:40:29.60
it's in Job 38:19-20,
where God ask the question.
00:40:29.63\00:40:33.99
"Do you know
where darkness resides?
00:40:34.02\00:40:36.09
Can you take me to its place?"
00:40:36.12\00:40:38.60
What I found
interesting reading that
00:40:38.63\00:40:40.39
when I was 19 years of age
is that it's actually saying,
00:40:40.42\00:40:44.60
that darkness is a substance.
00:40:44.63\00:40:46.82
I was thought as the young man
00:40:46.85\00:40:48.93
that darkness is
simply the absence of life.
00:40:48.96\00:40:51.96
But the Bible
says it's a substance.
00:40:51.99\00:40:53.94
It's says it's got
locations. Quite amazing.
00:40:53.97\00:40:56.51
Well, what's really amazing is
00:40:56.54\00:40:58.71
we know there's three
different kinds of darkness.
00:40:58.74\00:41:01.62
And we know that the quantity
of the three different kinds
00:41:01.65\00:41:04.85
of darkness gives us the
most spectacular evidence
00:41:04.88\00:41:08.71
we have today for supernatural,
super intelligent design.
00:41:08.74\00:41:12.80
The second most
spectacular evidence
00:41:12.83\00:41:15.40
is the specific locations
00:41:15.43\00:41:17.11
of the three
different kinds of darkness.
00:41:17.14\00:41:19.46
It's like God in the
Book of Job was pointing us
00:41:19.49\00:41:22.59
to the most
powerful evidences in nature,
00:41:22.62\00:41:25.73
whether it's His
supernatural handiwork.
00:41:25.76\00:41:27.68
Now the universe
is expanding. Yes.
00:41:27.71\00:41:29.83
This is a fact. Yes.
00:41:29.86\00:41:32.11
That cannot be
debated because the universe--
00:41:32.14\00:41:35.00
No, no, yeah. The
universe is expanding.
00:41:35.03\00:41:38.42
What relationship is there
00:41:38.45\00:41:40.19
between the
expansion of the universe
00:41:40.22\00:41:42.83
and some of this dark
matter or dark energy?
00:41:42.86\00:41:46.72
Well, the universe is expanding
at almost a constant rate.
00:41:46.75\00:41:51.19
And that's one way we get the
age of the universe, you know.
00:41:51.22\00:41:54.17
Look at the
size of the universe,
00:41:54.20\00:41:55.57
divide by the expansion rate
00:41:55.60\00:41:56.97
that gives you the
age, an easy calculation.
00:41:57.00\00:42:00.26
But today we can measure
the cosmic expansion rate
00:42:00.29\00:42:03.18
with sufficient
precision that we realize
00:42:03.21\00:42:06.02
that the universe was expanding
at a rate about 1% less
00:42:06.05\00:42:10.55
when it was young and about
1% more at its current stage.
00:42:10.58\00:42:14.70
It's going little faster.
It's going little faster.
00:42:14.73\00:42:17.57
And that's what actually led
to the discovery of dark energy.
00:42:17.60\00:42:21.62
Dark energy is
the energy embedded
00:42:21.65\00:42:23.64
in the space
surface of the universe.
00:42:23.67\00:42:26.20
And the universe is kind
of analogous to planet earth.
00:42:26.23\00:42:28.95
Earth has three dimensions
00:42:28.98\00:42:30.77
but we live on the
two dimensional surface
00:42:30.80\00:42:32.97
of the three dimensional earth.
00:42:33.00\00:42:34.81
All the stars and
galaxies, all of man and energy
00:42:34.84\00:42:38.33
is constrained to the
three dimensional surface
00:42:38.36\00:42:41.04
of the four
dimensional expanding universe.
00:42:41.07\00:42:44.56
And what we now
recognize is that
00:42:44.59\00:42:46.76
because of dark energy
as the universe expands,
00:42:46.79\00:42:50.58
the surface gets
bigger and bigger.
00:42:50.61\00:42:52.74
And therefore the influence
of dark energy to accelerate
00:42:52.77\00:42:56.02
the expansion of the universe
00:42:56.05\00:42:57.43
gets stronger and
stronger as time goes by.
00:42:57.46\00:43:00.79
And matter works
the opposite way.
00:43:00.82\00:43:03.46
I mean, everybody knows
that we got two massive bodies.
00:43:03.49\00:43:06.38
The law of gravity means
00:43:06.41\00:43:07.78
that they will tend to
attract one and another.
00:43:07.81\00:43:09.98
And the closer
they are together,
00:43:10.01\00:43:11.47
even more
powerfully they attract.
00:43:11.50\00:43:13.90
But when the universe is young,
00:43:13.93\00:43:15.45
the bits and pieces of
matter are close together.
00:43:15.48\00:43:18.37
And therefore there's a powerful
break on the cosmic expansion.
00:43:18.40\00:43:22.16
But as the universe expands
the bits and pieces of matter
00:43:22.19\00:43:25.45
get spread apart,
gravity gets weaker and weaker
00:43:25.48\00:43:28.71
and its capacity to
slow down cosmic expansion.
00:43:28.74\00:43:32.01
Dark energy is
just the opposite.
00:43:32.04\00:43:34.04
Its weakest when the
space surface is small
00:43:34.07\00:43:36.64
and strongest when it is large.
00:43:36.67\00:43:39.40
A moment ago, you
said, you're going to give us
00:43:39.43\00:43:44.19
an amazing piece of evidence
that points to a great designer
00:43:44.22\00:43:48.91
and you see this was
start up with this dark stuff.
00:43:48.94\00:43:52.65
Tell me about it. Okay.
00:43:52.68\00:43:54.48
And make it simple, so
I can get this, you know.
00:43:54.51\00:43:55.95
I think this will be simple.
00:43:55.98\00:43:57.35
Because I think the
people out there are saying,
00:43:57.38\00:43:59.83
"just make this simple,"
so doctor make this simple.
00:43:59.86\00:44:01.60
All right. This
is great material.
00:44:01.63\00:44:03.92
And this helps me to be
forced into the position
00:44:03.95\00:44:07.76
where I must
believe in a creator God.
00:44:07.79\00:44:10.09
Okay, here is so simple it is.
00:44:10.12\00:44:12.27
If you expand the
universe too quickly
00:44:12.30\00:44:14.62
from the cosmic creation event,
00:44:14.65\00:44:16.44
the bits and pieces of matter
will fly apart from one another
00:44:16.47\00:44:20.11
so rapidly that
gravity will never build
00:44:20.14\00:44:22.80
or collect any of that
stuff to make stars and planets.
00:44:22.83\00:44:26.19
But if you expand
the universe too slowly
00:44:26.22\00:44:28.96
then gravity is
going to collect everything
00:44:28.99\00:44:30.70
into black holes
and neutron stars.
00:44:30.73\00:44:33.54
In order to get
the stars and planets
00:44:33.57\00:44:36.19
that are going to
be optimal for life,
00:44:36.22\00:44:38.32
especially advance life,
you have to expand the universe
00:44:38.35\00:44:41.38
at just the right
rates, at just the right times
00:44:41.41\00:44:44.66
so that all the cosmic history.
00:44:44.69\00:44:46.92
And it's such that we
have to fine tune dark energy
00:44:46.95\00:44:51.39
to better than one part
in 10 to the 122nd power.
00:44:51.42\00:44:56.03
That's 122 zeros after the 1.
00:44:56.06\00:44:59.43
In order to make a
point here, because you know,
00:44:59.46\00:45:03.18
Mike Peter's astronomy & physics
00:45:03.21\00:45:05.54
were not
believers in Jesus Christ,
00:45:05.57\00:45:07.52
would agree with me
that the physics demands
00:45:07.55\00:45:11.21
that there must be a
causal agent beyond space
00:45:11.24\00:45:13.98
in time that
creates the universe.
00:45:14.01\00:45:15.89
So one sense they're idiots,
00:45:15.92\00:45:17.56
they believe that there is
something beyond the universe
00:45:17.59\00:45:20.41
that makes the
universe-- Because of the odds.
00:45:20.44\00:45:22.59
But they deny
that God is personal.
00:45:22.62\00:45:25.16
But how we
refute that let's say,
00:45:25.19\00:45:26.89
if you look at the dark energy,
00:45:26.92\00:45:28.80
it must be fine tuned within one
part and 10 to the 122nd power
00:45:28.83\00:45:33.48
to make life
possible, let alone human life.
00:45:33.51\00:45:36.79
Yeah, I can compare
that with a very best example
00:45:36.82\00:45:40.75
of human engineering design.
00:45:40.78\00:45:43.69
The best
example I could give you
00:45:43.72\00:45:45.51
of a humanly
engineered design instrument
00:45:45.54\00:45:48.51
would be the gravity
wave telescope known as LIGO.
00:45:48.54\00:45:53.43
Most amazing machine ever built.
00:45:53.46\00:45:55.81
It can make measurements
to one part in 10 to 23 power.
00:45:55.84\00:45:59.94
But notice this
best design machine,
00:45:59.97\00:46:02.87
it's ever been
done by human beings,
00:46:02.90\00:46:05.34
ranks 10 to the 98 times
inferior to the level of design
00:46:05.37\00:46:10.36
we see in dark energy that
makes our existence possible.
00:46:10.39\00:46:14.01
You know what
that tells me about
00:46:14.04\00:46:15.41
this agent
beyond space and time,
00:46:15.44\00:46:17.89
He is atleast 10 trillion,
trillion, trillion, trillion,
00:46:17.92\00:46:21.37
trillion, trillion,
trillion, trillion, times--
00:46:21.40\00:46:23.41
Oh, goodness.
00:46:23.44\00:46:24.81
More intelligent
and more knowledgeable
00:46:24.84\00:46:26.69
then the Caltech
and MIT physicists
00:46:26.72\00:46:29.12
that designed this
amazing instrument.
00:46:29.15\00:46:31.37
And at least that
many times better funded
00:46:31.40\00:46:33.62
than the US government
that made it all possible.
00:46:33.65\00:46:36.72
Therefore as agent
beyond space and time
00:46:36.75\00:46:40.13
must be a personal being
because only a personal being
00:46:40.16\00:46:43.81
can manifest the
attributes of intellect,
00:46:43.84\00:46:46.76
knowledge,
creativity and power--
00:46:46.79\00:46:48.43
How great this God must
be? How great this God must be.
00:46:48.46\00:46:50.97
And He became a man
in a person of Christ.
00:46:51.00\00:46:53.31
He did. He did.
00:46:53.34\00:46:55.20
This is almost too much
for us to take in, is it?
00:46:55.23\00:46:57.59
Well, it is too
much for us to take in.
00:46:57.62\00:46:59.92
Well, let me put
it more simply too.
00:46:59.95\00:47:02.14
When you got
people like Richard--
00:47:02.17\00:47:03.56
You sound like an evangelist.
00:47:03.59\00:47:05.30
Yeah, well, as I
am an evangelist.
00:47:05.33\00:47:07.73
But when I see these
people like Stephen Hawking
00:47:07.76\00:47:10.18
and Richard
Dawkins, Victor Stenger
00:47:10.21\00:47:12.62
making points like, you know,
00:47:12.65\00:47:14.37
there is no God it
all came from matter.
00:47:14.40\00:47:18.80
But how can the conscious
come from the non-conscious?
00:47:18.83\00:47:22.31
How can the living
come from the nonliving?
00:47:22.34\00:47:24.81
How can the mindful come
from that which has no mind?
00:47:24.84\00:47:28.02
How can the spiritual come from
that which is not spiritual?
00:47:28.05\00:47:31.62
Everything in science tells us
00:47:31.65\00:47:33.84
that the principle
of causing effect holds,
00:47:33.87\00:47:37.17
and that the effects cannot
be bigger than the causes.
00:47:37.20\00:47:40.80
But if you take an
atheist at the real view,
00:47:40.83\00:47:42.83
you are demanding
bigger effects and the causes
00:47:42.86\00:47:45.64
and bigger by many,
many orders of magnitude
00:47:45.67\00:47:48.85
that violates the
scientific method.
00:47:48.88\00:47:50.91
I'm convinced.
00:47:50.94\00:47:54.23
Is planet earth in a
special place in the universe?
00:47:54.26\00:47:59.89
I think it's in a special
place and also a special time.
00:47:59.92\00:48:04.73
We are here at the right
time and the right place.
00:48:04.76\00:48:06.69
Tell me, now you
folks stay with us here
00:48:06.72\00:48:10.28
because this is material you're
not gonna hear anywhere else,
00:48:10.31\00:48:14.90
so you really listen up
00:48:14.93\00:48:16.46
because this is once in a
lifetime, golden opportunity.
00:48:16.49\00:48:20.78
Tell me planet
earth in a special place,
00:48:20.81\00:48:23.35
in a special time?
00:48:23.38\00:48:24.75
Oh, we are not at the
center of the solar system,
00:48:24.78\00:48:26.27
we are not at the
center of our galaxy.
00:48:26.30\00:48:28.22
And our galaxy is not at
the center of the clusters--
00:48:28.25\00:48:30.19
How many
galaxies in the universe?
00:48:30.22\00:48:32.33
Oh, a little
more than 200 billion,
00:48:32.36\00:48:34.09
medium and large size galaxies
00:48:34.12\00:48:36.01
and about 100 times
as many dwarf galaxies.
00:48:36.04\00:48:38.46
And the universe is
actually a million times bigger
00:48:38.49\00:48:40.99
than we see it because--
00:48:41.02\00:48:43.72
Well, at least
several hundred times
00:48:43.75\00:48:45.12
because the universe we see
is the universe of the past.
00:48:45.15\00:48:48.75
And the universe is expanding,
00:48:48.78\00:48:50.24
so the universe of
today must be bigger
00:48:50.27\00:48:53.01
than the universe that
we see through telescopes.
00:48:53.04\00:48:56.32
Tell me how is the
earth in a special place
00:48:56.35\00:48:59.73
in the universe
and special time.
00:48:59.76\00:49:01.13
Well, special for two reasons,
00:49:01.16\00:49:03.40
we are living at the one locale
00:49:03.43\00:49:05.51
within these 50 billion,
trillion stars that we can see,
00:49:05.54\00:49:09.21
where we can survive and thrive.
00:49:09.24\00:49:12.54
I mean, I can conceive maybe
of other places in the universe
00:49:12.57\00:49:15.82
where you might be
that bacterial life
00:49:15.85\00:49:17.64
living for a few months.
00:49:17.67\00:49:19.55
But we are
living on the one planet
00:49:19.58\00:49:21.24
were advance life is possible.
00:49:21.27\00:49:23.32
It's safe. We
are in a safe spot.
00:49:23.35\00:49:25.84
I mean, if we were at
the center of the galaxy,
00:49:25.87\00:49:27.74
we would be wiped out by
the super giant black hole here.
00:49:27.77\00:49:31.09
And if we are too far away
from the center of the galaxy,
00:49:31.12\00:49:33.49
we wouldn't have the elements
00:49:33.52\00:49:34.89
that we would need to
make advance life possible.
00:49:34.92\00:49:37.54
And we are also
living what's called
00:49:37.57\00:49:38.94
the cold rotation distance,
00:49:38.97\00:49:40.89
where our solar system goes
around the center of the galaxy
00:49:40.92\00:49:44.43
at the same rate the
spiral structure rotates.
00:49:44.46\00:49:47.24
That's the safe spot to
be, but it's also the one place
00:49:47.27\00:49:50.64
where you get a
clear view of the universe.
00:49:50.67\00:49:52.40
It's the darkest spot.
00:49:52.43\00:49:53.84
We are living in the darkest
life conceivable location
00:49:53.87\00:49:56.85
or galaxy and our
galaxy is in darkest life
00:49:56.88\00:50:00.62
conceivable
location in the universe.
00:50:00.65\00:50:02.64
Somebody wants us to look
out. That's my whole point.
00:50:02.67\00:50:05.82
The Bible tells us the heavens
declare the glory of God,
00:50:05.85\00:50:09.41
but we have
astronomers discovered is,
00:50:09.44\00:50:11.44
there's only one place where you
can recide in this vast universe
00:50:11.47\00:50:15.68
where you get to see the
whole story of the universe
00:50:15.71\00:50:18.31
from the moment it was created
right up to the present day.
00:50:18.34\00:50:21.90
It's the safest place,
the best place to live,
00:50:21.93\00:50:24.13
the only place were advance
life can survive and thrive.
00:50:24.16\00:50:27.62
But it's also the only place
where you can do astrophysics.
00:50:27.65\00:50:30.32
As a scientist who is
also a devout Christian
00:50:30.35\00:50:33.64
what would you
say to a young person
00:50:33.67\00:50:35.49
who has been
confronted by arguments say
00:50:35.52\00:50:38.89
from Professor
Dawkins, "That there is no God?"
00:50:38.92\00:50:41.59
What would you
say to a young person
00:50:41.62\00:50:44.61
who is honestly
searching for true faith?
00:50:44.64\00:50:47.53
Well, I would tell me
that I know of many prominent
00:50:47.56\00:50:50.55
atheist scientists who
have become Christians.
00:50:50.58\00:50:53.70
Who were not
raised in Christian homes
00:50:53.73\00:50:55.73
including Nobel Laureate,
but what they've all said
00:50:55.76\00:50:59.77
is that there is four
evidences that persuaded him
00:50:59.80\00:51:03.11
that the God of the
Bible must be the creator.
00:51:03.14\00:51:06.14
Number one, the
creation of the universe,
00:51:06.17\00:51:08.54
the space time theorems prove
00:51:08.57\00:51:10.63
that they are
must be an agent beyond
00:51:10.66\00:51:12.26
space and time
that created universe.
00:51:12.29\00:51:14.66
The second piece of evidence
is the design of the universe
00:51:14.69\00:51:18.26
that makes life possible.
00:51:18.29\00:51:20.34
As Freeman Dyson an
agnostic physicist put it,
00:51:20.37\00:51:22.96
when you look at the universe,
you cannot avoid the conclusion
00:51:22.99\00:51:26.81
that somehow the
universe knew we were coming.
00:51:26.84\00:51:29.71
It was designed in advance
00:51:29.74\00:51:31.72
in a very highly fine
tuned way for human beings.
00:51:31.75\00:51:34.64
Some people call this
the Anthropic Principle.
00:51:34.67\00:51:37.62
The third piece of
evidence Origin of Life,
00:51:37.65\00:51:40.56
when you look at the
Origin of Life you realize
00:51:40.59\00:51:42.78
there's no naturalistic
pathway to make it possible.
00:51:42.81\00:51:46.22
If you got no
prebiotics, and no time,
00:51:46.25\00:51:48.80
you got no naturalistic
possible explanation.
00:51:48.83\00:51:52.01
God must have created it. Sure.
00:51:52.04\00:51:53.83
And the fourth piece of evidence
00:51:53.86\00:51:55.93
and by the way
there's more than four.
00:51:55.96\00:51:57.33
But these are the four
that they consistently name
00:51:57.36\00:52:00.32
that persuaded them
to become Christians.
00:52:00.35\00:52:02.16
Number four is the
origin of human beings.
00:52:02.19\00:52:05.32
And it was Francisco Ayala,
00:52:05.35\00:52:07.66
a famous
evolutionary biologisth as said,
00:52:07.69\00:52:10.38
"We all know that the first life
was unicellular bacterial life."
00:52:10.41\00:52:15.54
If you start with bacteria
and you assume very optimistic
00:52:15.57\00:52:19.76
Darwinian
principles are in affect.
00:52:19.79\00:52:22.00
The best that
Dawkins could ever imagine,
00:52:22.03\00:52:24.92
the probability
that you would wind up
00:52:24.95\00:52:26.85
with human beings or
the functional equivalent,
00:52:26.88\00:52:29.81
that probability is
less than one chance
00:52:29.84\00:52:31.74
in 10 to the 1 millionth power
00:52:31.77\00:52:34.40
and I always making the
point that Darwinian Evolution
00:52:34.43\00:52:38.42
always favors
simplicity over complexity.
00:52:38.45\00:52:41.74
But we see in the
history of life is the opposite.
00:52:41.77\00:52:44.53
You go from simplicity to
increasing levels of complexity.
00:52:44.56\00:52:48.56
And moreover, we're now
recognizing as Psalm 104 states
00:52:48.59\00:52:52.16
"Every life form that's ever
existed in the face of the earth
00:52:52.19\00:52:55.67
plays a role in preparing
the planet for human beings."
00:52:55.70\00:52:59.74
And also I would add if you
look at the Faint sun paradox,
00:52:59.77\00:53:02.98
in fact, three physicists
corrected Francisco Ayala
00:53:03.01\00:53:05.77
and said you assumed
that the solar system
00:53:05.80\00:53:08.93
was constant over time,
we know that's not true.
00:53:08.96\00:53:12.21
The sun gets
brighter and brighter,
00:53:12.24\00:53:13.79
as it gets older and older.
00:53:13.82\00:53:15.83
As we look at
the history of earth,
00:53:15.86\00:53:17.71
you see this in Psalm 104,
00:53:17.74\00:53:19.41
it's a property
of all like die off,
00:53:19.44\00:53:21.95
but God recreates and
renews the face of the earth.
00:53:21.98\00:53:25.73
God knows the
future physics of the sun
00:53:25.76\00:53:27.87
that it's getting
brighter and brighter.
00:53:27.90\00:53:29.92
Therefore He steps in and
removes life from planet earth
00:53:29.95\00:53:33.37
replaces it with new life
that more efficiently pulls
00:53:33.40\00:53:36.86
greenhouse gases out
of the earth's atmosphere.
00:53:36.89\00:53:39.47
So the sun gets
brighter and brighter,
00:53:39.50\00:53:41.61
the life on
planet earth compensates
00:53:41.64\00:53:44.10
by pulling out
the greenhouse gases,
00:53:44.13\00:53:45.98
so that the temperature
in the surfaceof the earth
00:53:46.01\00:53:48.25
remains ideal for life.
00:53:48.28\00:53:50.70
A profound challenge
the evolutionary paradigm,
00:53:50.73\00:53:53.70
because now you need someone
00:53:53.73\00:53:55.49
who knows the
future physics of the sun
00:53:55.52\00:53:57.85
with great
precision to make sure
00:53:57.88\00:53:59.85
you got the right
life on the planet,
00:53:59.88\00:54:01.75
at the right time to
keep everything ideal
00:54:01.78\00:54:04.74
and at the same time
build up bio-deposits,
00:54:04.77\00:54:07.62
that the future human species
00:54:07.65\00:54:09.33
will need to launch
and sustain civilization.
00:54:09.36\00:54:12.57
And John Barrow and
Frank Tipler have said
00:54:12.60\00:54:16.54
the probability is actually
00:54:16.57\00:54:18.25
less of one chance in 10
to the 24 millionth power.
00:54:18.28\00:54:22.29
Dr. Ross? Yes.
00:54:22.32\00:54:24.57
I want to thank you today.
00:54:24.60\00:54:26.73
You have given us many,
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00:54:26.76\00:54:32.44
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00:54:32.47\00:54:35.07
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