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>> FROM ARCADIA, CALIFORNIA,
"THE CARTER REPORT" PRESENTS
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THE LIVING WORD
AROUND THE WORLD.
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>> HELLO, FRIEND.
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I'M JOHN CARTER AND I WANT
TO GIVE YOU THE WARMEST WELCOME
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TODAY TO THIS PROGRAM.
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THIS IS A SPECIAL PROGRAM
BECAUSE WE HAVE WITH US HERE
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TODAY IN "THE CARTER REPORT"
STUDIO, A VERY SPECIAL PERSON,
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AN OLD BUDDY OF
MINE, DR. JAMES GILLEY,
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THE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN,
WHICH OF COURSE STANDS FOR THREE
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ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK.
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I'M GOING TO ASK DR.
GILLEY A NUMBER OF PERTINENT,
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SEARCHING QUESTIONS DURING
THIS TELECAST, ONE BEING WHAT
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MAKES 3ABN SO DIFFERENT TO ALL
THE OTHER TELEVISION STATIONS?
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AND WHAT IS THIS BUSINESS
ABOUT THREE ANGELS PREACHING
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THIS SPECIAL GOSPEL?
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IS IT A SPECIAL GOSPEL?
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AND SO THIS IS WHAT THE
PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE TODAY.
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IT IS GOING TO BE DIRECT
AND FORCEFUL, AND YOU ARE GOING
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TO BE BLESSED.
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>> THERE ARE TWO THINGS
THAT A PASTOR SHOULDN'T DO.
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HE SHOULDN'T TELL LIES
AND HE SHOULDN'T RETIRE.
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THAT'S WHY I PLAN TO KEEP
ON KEEPING ON WHILE GOD CAN
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STILL USE ME.
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WHILE THESE LUNGS ARE WORKING
AND WHILE THIS MOUTH IS TALKING
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AND WHILE JESUS IS STILL ALIVE
AND I'M STILL ALIVE, I PLAN
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TO KEEP ON PREACHING
THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL.
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WILL YOU PRAY FOR ME?
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WILL YOU SUPPORT
US IN THIS GREAT WORK?
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LISTEN, WE HAVE RECEIVED
AN URGENT INVITATION FROM
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THE CHURCH IN INDIA.
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THEY'RE SAYING,
"COME OVER AND HELP US."
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WHAT A CHALLENGE, MY FRIEND.
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DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE
LIVE IN THE LAND OF INDIA?
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MORE THAN A
THOUSAND MILLION PEOPLE.
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AND THE PLACE IS FULL
OF DEMONS AND EVIL SPIRITS.
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THEY DON'T WANT THIS CAMPAIGN,
THOSE EVIL SPIRITS, BUT I WANT
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YOU TO KNOW JESUS IS
STRONGER THAN THE EVIL SPIRITS.
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LAST TIME WE WENT TO INDIA,
WE HAD TREMENDOUS OPPOSITION,
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OUR LIVES WERE THREATENED,
BUT BY THE GRACE OF GOD, WE'RE
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GOING TO GO BACK BECAUSE
JESUS HAS CALLED US TO GO.
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WHEN WE WENT THERE LAST
TIME, WE SAW THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
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COMING TO CHRIST.
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ONE NIGHT, 30,000 PEOPLE CAME
TO CHRIST, HINDUS AND MUSLIMS.
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WE'RE PRAYING JESUS,
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DO IT AGAIN.
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PLEASE SUPPORT US.
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PLEASE WRITE TO ME, JOHN CARTER
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POST OFFICE BOX 1900
THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA
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91358.
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IN AUSTRALIA, WRITE TO ME,
PLEASE, AT BEAUTIFUL TERRIGAL.
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THE ADDRESS IS
RIGHT THERE ON THE SCREEN.
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LISTEN, MY FRIEND, I NEED YOUR
PRAYERS, I NEED YOUR SUPPORT.
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PLEASE PRAY FOR US.
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I'LL BE PRAYING FOR YOU.
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WRITE TODAY AND GOD BLESS YOU.
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>> WELCOME TODAY TO
"THE CARTER REPORT,"
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THIS VERY SPECIAL PROGRAM
WITH A VERY SPECIAL GUEST,
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DR. JIM GILLEY OF 3ABN.
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HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF
3ABN AND HE'S AN OLD FRIEND.
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PASTOR GILLEY, I AM DELIGHTED
TODAY TO WELCOME YOU TO OUR
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SPIRITUAL HOME HERE
IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA,
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IN BEAUTIFUL ARCADIA.
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>> WELL, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE
AND I AM CERTAINLY IMPRESSED,
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NOT ONLY WITH THE BUILDINGS
AND THE WAY GOD HAS BLESSED
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THIS MINISTRY, BUT
ALSO WITH YOUR STAFF
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AND THE VERY WONDERFUL,
FRIENDLY RESPONSE THAT
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I RECEIVED WHEN I GOT
HERE AND WELCOME THAT THEY GAVE
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TO ME.
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>> YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE TELLS
US TO LOVE PEOPLE, BUT IT EVEN
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TELLS YOU--WELL, IT
TELLS YOU TO LOVE ALL PEOPLE.
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THAT INCLUDES TO
LOVE YOUR ENEMIES.
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BUT I TELL MY CHURCH FOLKS
THERE'S SOMETHING EVEN MORE
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IMPORTANT THAN JUST--WELL, MAYBE
NOT MORE IMPORTANT, BUT VERY
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IMPORTANT THAN LOVING PEOPLE.
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THAT'S LIKING PEOPLE.
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>> ALL RIGHT.
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>> OKAY?
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>> OKAY.
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>> YOU DON'T LIKE
PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE.
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YOU GOT TO LOVE THEM, THOUGH.
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BUT NOT ONLY DO WE LOVE YOU,
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WE LIKE YOU TOO.
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>> WELL, WE LIKE YOU, JOHN.
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AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY
FAVORITE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE
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ON 3ABN.
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YOU'VE BEEN WITH
3ABN A LONG TIME.
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>> YEAH, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG?
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>> NO.
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>> I DO.
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>> I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG--
>> TWENTY-FOUR PLUS YEARS.
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ABOUT 24 AND A HALF YEARS.
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>> SO WE WERE ONLY THERE A
COUPLE OF YEARS AT THE MOST
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WHEN YOU CAME-- >>
OH, I DON'T THINK--I MAY
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HAVE--I THINK WE WENT
ON 3ABN AT THE END OF '86.
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>> YEAH, OKAY.
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WELL, THAT WAS VERY EARLY IN
THE TELECAST HISTORY OF 3ABN.
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>> I USED TO GO UP
THERE AND SEE DANNY.
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AND HE'S A SPECIAL PERSON TO US.
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AND YOU ARE A SPECIAL PERSON.
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I FIRST GOT TO KNOW YOU IN
SYDNEY, WHEN I WAS THE PASTOR
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OF THE WAHROONGA CHURCH.
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WHAT A NAME, WAHROONGA.
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>> IN FACT, I REMEMBER GOING
TO THAT CHURCH AND VISITING YOU.
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AND I WAS INTRIGUED
BY THE TITLE THAT DAY.
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>> OH, YOU WERE?
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>> YEAH, DO YOU
REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS?
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>> YES, I DO.
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>> AND THE TITLE WAS
"WHY I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE
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MOTHER TERESA IN HEAVEN."
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AND BOY, I COULDN'T WAIT TO GET
THERE TO FIND OUT HOW'S HE GONNA
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GET OUT OF THIS.
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>> YEAH, A LOT OF PEOPLE
WERE REALLY MAD WITH ME BECAUSE
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I HAD A BIG SIGN
UP OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.
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>> I SAW.
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THAT'S WHAT I SAW.
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>> AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE
ALL TRYING TO GET ALONG WITH
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MOTHER TERESA'S PEOPLE.
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AND THEY SAID,
"WHAT'S THIS GUY DOING?
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HE'S PUTTING UP A SIGN,
'WHY I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE
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MOTHER TERESA IN
HEAVEN.'" >> YES.
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AND WHAT WAS THE ANSWER?
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>> WELL, IT'S THE
STORY OF JOHN WESLEY
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AND GEORGE WHITEFIELD.
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WESLEY WAS AN
ARMENIAN, BIT LIKE ADVENTISTS,
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AND WHITEFIELD WAS A CALVINIST
LIKE THE PRESBYTERIANS.
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AND THESE TWO GREAT PREACHERS,
NOT ORDINARY PREACHERS--I THINK
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PROBABLY GEORGE WHITEFIELD
WAS THE GREAT ORATIST SINCE
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THE APOSTLE PAUL.
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AND THEY HAD THEIR
THEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES.
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THEOLOGY CAN DIVIDE,
BUT PREACHING THE GOSPEL
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UNITES.
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AND THIS IS
WHERE THEY WERE UNITED.
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WHAT A TRAGEDY, JIM, THAT
PEOPLE ALLOW THEOLOGICAL ISSUES
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TO TURN THEM INTO ENEMIES.
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>> RIGHT.
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>> AND SO GEORGE WHITEFIELD
DIED AS A RELATIVELY YOUNG MAN.
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AND AT HIS FUNERAL, JOHN WESLEY,
THE REVEREND JOHN WESLEY, WHO
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RAISED UP THE METHODIST CHURCH,
MADE THESE REMARKABLY POSITIVE
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REMARKS ABOUT GEORGE WHITEFIELD
AND HOW HE WOULD BE SHINING
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THERE IN THE GLORY LAND.
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AND AFTER THE SERMON, A LITTLE,
OLD LADY WITH A LONG NOSE CAME
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AND SHE SAID, "MR. WESLEY,
YOU DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE WHAT
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YOU WERE SAYING BECAUSE
YOU WERE SO MUCH ANTAGONISTIC
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WITH THE THEOLOGY.
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YOU DON'T REALLY BELIEVE
HE'S GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN?"
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AND HE SAID, "NO, I DON'T
EXPECT TO SEE GEORGE WHITEFIELD
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IN HEAVEN."
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"OH," SHE SAID, "I WAS RIGHT.
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YOU DIDN'T LIKE HIM."
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HE SAID, "NO, I DON'T EXPECT HIM
TO BE IN HEAVEN BECAUSE HE WILL
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BE SO CLOSE TO THE THRONE OF
GOD AND I'LL BE SO FAR BACK THAT
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I DON'T EXPECT THAT
I'LL SEE HIM IN HEAVEN."
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>> AND THAT WAS YOUR ANSWER
FOR MOTHER TERESA THAT DAY,
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ON THAT OCCASION.
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AND AS I CAME OUT THE
DOOR, I SHOOK YOUR HAND
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AND INTRODUCED MYSELF.
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AND THEN LATER, YOU CALLED ME AT
THE HOTEL WHERE WE WERE STAYING
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AND TOOK US OUT TO THE COLLEGE.
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WE HAD A WONDERFUL DAY,
CAMILLE AND I DID WITH YOU
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THAT DAY.
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AND A FRIENDSHIP BEGAN
THAT CONTINUED AND HAS CONTINUED
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TO THIS DAY.
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THAT WAS LIKE 26
YEARS AGO OR MORE.
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>> WELL, I
DISCOVERED A KINDRED SPIRIT.
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>> WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
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>> I DISCOVERED A MAN WHO
LOVED JESUS, A MAN WHO BELIEVES
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THE TRUE GOSPEL.
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YOU KNOW, THERE
ARE DIFFERENT GOSPELS.
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THERE'S THE GOSPEL OF
ANTINOMIANISM THAT SAYS THAT
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THE LAW OF GOD IS ABOLISHED.
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THERE'S THE GOSPEL OF LEGALISM
THAT SAYS THAT IT'S BY YOUR
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ATTAINMENT.
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BUT WE BELIEVE
IT'S BY HIS ATONEMENT.
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>> AMEN, ABSOLUTELY.
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>> SO WE GOT ON THE SAME
WAVELENGTH AND WE'VE BEEN ON
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THE SAME WAVELENGTH EVER SINCE.
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>> EVER SINCE, THAT'S RIGHT.
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WE GOT BACK TOGETHER AT
GENERAL CONFERENCE, 1985,
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IN NEW ORLEANS.
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AND THEN YOU WERE CALLED TO
COME TO FORT WORTH AND THE REST
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IS HISTORY.
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>> AND I WANT THE FOLKS WHO ARE
LISTENING TODAY AND WATCHING,
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I WANT YOU TO HEAR THIS.
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WHEN I WENT OVER THERE TO
TEXAS, WHAT SORT OF STATE?
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GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.
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>> AS BEN LEECH WOULD SAY.
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>> YEAH, THE
GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.
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IN FACT, I TOLD THE--I
DID SOMETHING, YOU KNOW,
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IN A METHODOLOGY THAT I
SHOULD HAVE OVERCOME YEARS AGO.
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I TOLD THE TEXANS, I SAID,
"TEXAS, YOU CAN GET 20 TEXAS'
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AND STICK 'EM INSIDE AUSTRALIA."
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THEY SAID, "THAT'S
ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE."
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THEY SAID, "THERE'S NO
COUNTRY AS BIG AS TEXAS."
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[LAUGHING] >> BUT
YOU WENT BEFORE ME IN
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TEXAS AND MADE IT POSSIBLE
FOR ME TO HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME
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THERE.
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>> WELL, WE ENJOYED WORKING
WITH YOU, I GUARANTEE YOU.
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>> OH, YOU DID MORE THAN THAT.
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YOU WERE A BROTHER AND A FRIEND.
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AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW
I'M ETERNALLY GRATEFUL.
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>> WELL, WE LOVE THE CARTER
FAMILY, AND SAW DAVID HERE
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TODAY.
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AND MY FAMILY HAS SAID,
"BE SURE TO TELL PASTOR CARTER
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AND BEVERLY AND
DAVID AND THE ENTIRE FAMILY
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HELLO FOR US."
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>> WELL, YOU TELL 'EM THAT GOD
LOVES THEM AND WE LOVE THEM TOO.
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>> ALL RIGHT.
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>> HOW DID YOU
BECOME PRESIDENT OF 3ABN?
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>> WELL, THAT'S QUITE A STORY.
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AND I HAD INVITED DANNY--I
WAS PASTORING IN DALLAS.
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I HAD DECIDED--WAS A CONFERENCE
PRESIDENT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
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AND WENT TO THE
DIVISION AS VICE PRESIDENT--
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>> VICE PRESIDENT OF
THE NORTH AMERICAN DIVISION.
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>> THAT'S CORRECT.
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AND SO I DECIDED THAT I WANTED
TO SORT OF FINISH MY MINISTRY
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AS A PASTOR.
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IN FACT, AS I'VE SAT HERE TODAY
IN YOUR CHURCH, I HAVE FELT
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THOSE JUICES, THOSE PASTORAL
JUICES, AS A PASTOR/EVANGELIST,
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YOU KNOW, AND FEEL
THOSE JUICES FLOWING.
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AND IT'S A GREAT TEMPTATION.
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SO THEY ASKED
ME TO GO TO DALLAS.
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>> WOULD YOU LIKE A JOB?
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>> WELL, I WENT TO
DALLAS AND WHEN I GOT TO DALLAS,
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THE LORD JUST
BLESSED TREMENDOUSLY.
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>> AND IT'S A GREAT CITY.
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>> IT IS.
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AND THAT'S A GREAT CHURCH.
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I HAD BEEN AT
CHURCH OF MY YOUTH.
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THEY CALLED ME TO COME THERE.
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I SAID NO AT FIRST.
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THEN THE SECOND TIME THEY
CALLED, I FELT THAT WE SHOULD
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REALLY PRAY ABOUT IT.
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WE DID, FELT
IMPRESSED, AND WE WENT.
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AND I'M SO GLAD WE DID BECAUSE
WE HAD A COUPLE OF FELLOWS
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THERE, A FELLOW BY THE NAME
OF MICHAEL SHULA, THAT WANTED ME
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TO DO TELEVISION.
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AND SO HE BROUGHT ALL OF HIS
TELEVISION EQUIPMENT, AND HE HAD
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ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS'
WORTH OF TV EQUIPMENT AT LEAST,
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SET IT UP IN THE CHURCH,
AND WE STARTED DOING TELEVISION
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ON LOCAL CHANNEL.
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THAT GAVE ME A LITTLE EXPERIENCE
BECAUSE I REALLY HAD HAD NO
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TELEVISION EXPERIENCE AT ALL.
00:11:52.16\00:11:55.06
DANNY CAME.
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WE INVITED DANNY
SHELTON TO COME FOR A WEEKEND.
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AND, BY THE WAY, I HAD NO IDEA
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HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR 3ABN
TO GO FOR A WEEKEND LIKE THAT.
00:12:02.86\00:12:05.90
I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED TO DO IT
NOW TO COME TO MY CHURCH 'CAUSE
00:12:05.90\00:12:09.43
IT'S JUST
UNBELIEVABLY EXPENSIVE.
00:12:09.43\00:12:11.63
BUT DANNY, BOY,
YOU KNOW HOW DANNY IS.
00:12:11.63\00:12:13.70
HE JUST--HE CAME--
>> HE'S A VISIONARY.
00:12:13.70\00:12:16.23
>> HE IS.
00:12:16.23\00:12:17.30
AND WE HAD A TREMENDOUS TIME, SO
I SAID, "COME BACK NEXT YEAR."
00:12:17.30\00:12:20.90
I DON'T KNOW IF, AGAIN, IF
I'D HAVE JUST KNOWN, I WOULD
00:12:20.90\00:12:23.03
NEVER HAVE HAD THE COURAGE.
00:12:24.13\00:12:25.80
AND THE NEXT YEAR HE DID,
HE CAME BACK, HE CAME BACK
00:12:25.80\00:12:28.50
IN AUGUST.
00:12:28.50\00:12:29.70
AND AT THAT TIME, HE SAID TO ME,
"YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON THE LIST
00:12:29.70\00:12:34.16
TO BE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN."
00:12:34.16\00:12:36.10
I SAID, "DANNY, I'VE
ONLY BEEN HERE 2 YEARS."
00:12:36.10\00:12:38.33
HE SAID, "WELL," HE SAID, "WE
NEED A PRESIDENT VERY BADLY."
00:12:38.33\00:12:41.36
HE WAS HAVING A REAL
HEALTH CHALLENGE AT THE TIME.
00:12:41.36\00:12:45.13
AND I SAID, "WELL--" HE
SAID, "YOU'RE NUMBER THREE
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ON THE LIST."
00:12:48.40\00:12:48.96
I SAID, "WHEW, MAN, YOU KNOW,
I'M SURE THAT ONE OF THOSE OTHER
00:12:48.96\00:12:53.26
TWO GUYS WOULD BE SELECTED."
00:12:53.26\00:12:56.53
FACT, NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST WAS
SELECTED, BUT HE WANTED TO NOT
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ONLY DO THAT, BUT CONTINUE
WITH THE POSITION THAT HE HAD AT
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THE TIME, WHICH WAS OUT HERE
ON THE WEST COAST, AND EVERYBODY
00:13:04.20\00:13:07.80
KNEW THAT WOULD NOT WORK.
00:13:07.80\00:13:10.26
AND SO THEY--I THOUGHT,
"WELL, GOOD, THAT'S GREAT.
00:13:10.26\00:13:15.00
I MEAN, HE DIDN'T TAKE
IT, BUT THE SECOND FELLOW WILL
00:13:15.00\00:13:17.93
FOR SURE TAKE IT."
00:13:17.93\00:13:19.30
I KNEW WHO HE WAS AND I KNEW
THAT HE WANTED THE POSITION.
00:13:19.30\00:13:21.36
AND I GET A CALL FROM DANNY.
00:13:22.93\00:13:24.90
THEY HAD SKIPPED OVER
NUMBER TWO AND HAD GONE TO ME.
00:13:24.90\00:13:28.83
AND I WAS SHOCKED.
00:13:28.83\00:13:30.83
BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING?
00:13:30.83\00:13:31.63
WE BEGAN TO PRAY.
00:13:31.63\00:13:33.23
GOD BEGAN TO MAKE IT
SO ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, JOHN,
00:13:33.23\00:13:36.73
THAT THIS IS WHAT I WAS TO DO.
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AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME ON THIS
PROGRAM TO GO THROUGH ALL THE
00:13:38.46\00:13:41.06
DIFFERENT ABSOLUTE, UNBELIEVABLE
MIRACLES THAT TOOK PLACE,
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INCLUDING THE SALE OF A HOUSE
IMMEDIATELY AT FULL PRICE, WHICH
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WAS NOT HAPPENING IN
THAT MARKET AT THAT TIME.
00:13:50.83\00:13:54.13
>> IT HASN'T BEEN
HAPPENING FOR YEARS.
00:13:54.13\00:13:55.50
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:13:55.50\00:13:56.13
AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN
GLAD TO HAVE TAKEN EVEN A LOSS.
00:13:56.13\00:14:00.30
BUT WE PRAYED AND WE SAID,
"LORD, IT WAS KIND OF A FLEECE.
00:14:00.30\00:14:03.43
HELP US TO SELL THIS HOUSE
SOMEWHERE NEAR FULL PRICE."
00:14:03.43\00:14:06.80
HE GAVE US FULL PRICE
AND WITHOUT COMING OFF EVEN A
00:14:06.80\00:14:10.56
DIME OFF THE ASKING PRICE.
00:14:10.56\00:14:12.50
SO THIS--THERE WERE SEVERAL
OTHER THINGS LIKE THIS, JOHN,
00:14:12.50\00:14:15.96
THAT JUST HAPPENED AND WE
JUST KNEW THIS IS WHAT THE LORD
00:14:15.96\00:14:18.86
WANTED US TO DO.
00:14:18.86\00:14:20.43
>> YOU'VE SERVED GOD
AND THE CHURCH AS A PASTOR,
00:14:20.43\00:14:22.03
AS AN EVANGELIST,
00:14:22.03\00:14:25.20
AS A CONFERENCE
PRESIDENT, AS THE VICE PRESIDENT
00:14:27.26\00:14:30.30
OF THE NORTH AMERICAN DIVISION.
00:14:30.30\00:14:34.56
WHY IS 3ABN DIFFERENT?
00:14:34.56\00:14:37.70
>> 3ABN IS AN
UNBELIEVABLE MINISTRY.
00:14:37.70\00:14:42.83
THE OUTREACH THAT IT
HAS--YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS AT THE
00:14:42.83\00:14:46.53
DIVISION, I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF
THE BOARD AND ACTUALLY THE LEGAL
00:14:46.53\00:14:52.43
PRESIDENT OF ALL THE
MEDIA CENTER MINISTRIES.
00:14:52.43\00:14:55.76
AND THAT, AT THAT TIME, I WAS,
YOU KNOW, FEELING LIKE, "WOW,
00:14:55.76\00:15:02.26
WE'RE REACHING THE WORLD."
00:15:02.26\00:15:03.80
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ONLY
REACHING WITH THOSE PROGRAMS
00:15:03.80\00:15:07.30
1 HOUR OR 30
MINUTES A WEEK, SEE.
00:15:07.30\00:15:11.93
WITH 3ABN, IT'S 24/7.
00:15:11.93\00:15:16.13
IT'S ON 135 STATIONS
THAT WE OWN HERE IN THE U.S.
00:15:16.13\00:15:20.20
>> A HUNDRED AND
THIRTY-FIVE STATIONS.
00:15:20.20\00:15:22.13
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:15:22.13\00:15:22.80
>> THAT YOU OWN.
00:15:22.80\00:15:23.50
>> THAT WE OWN HERE IN THE
U.S., PLUS 1200 CABLE OUTLETS
00:15:23.50\00:15:28.83
ON DISH NETWORK.
00:15:28.83\00:15:30.80
AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE WITH
VERIZON FIOS, WE'RE WITH AT&T.
00:15:30.80\00:15:36.20
SO PEOPLE CAN GET US IN THESE
PACKAGES WHERE THEY GET THEIR
00:15:36.20\00:15:39.23
PHONE AND THEIR SATELLITE
TELEVISION AND THEY GET THEIR
00:15:39.23\00:15:43.13
INTERNET.
00:15:43.13\00:15:44.16
AND THEN ON THE INTERNET NOW.
00:15:44.16\00:15:46.73
AND WE HAVE FIVE OF OUR CHANNELS
THAT ARE ON THE INTERNET.
00:15:46.73\00:15:51.33
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THE
RESULTS OF THAT, IT'S AN IMPACT
00:15:51.33\00:15:56.80
THAT IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE.
00:15:56.80\00:15:58.36
AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON NOW
FOR--WE'RE IN OUR 26TH YEAR THAT
00:15:58.36\00:16:02.13
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON.
00:16:02.13\00:16:03.66
>> YOU BELIEVE
THAT GOD RAISED UP 3ABN.
00:16:03.66\00:16:07.06
>> I HAVE NO
QUESTION ABOUT IT WHATSOEVER.
00:16:07.06\00:16:08.83
IT'S AN ABSOLUTE, TOTAL MIRACLE.
00:16:08.83\00:16:11.40
YOU KNOW, YOU AND I WERE BOTH
VERY MUCH ALIVE IN THAT PERIOD.
00:16:11.40\00:16:14.53
>> YES, WE WERE.
00:16:14.53\00:16:15.33
>> I KNEW THE
CLIMATE OF THE TIME.
00:16:15.33\00:16:17.66
I HAD GONE TO THE GENERAL
CONFERENCE PRESIDENT MYSELF AND
00:16:17.66\00:16:22.23
SLIPPED INTO HIS OFFICE DURING
THE NOON HOUR, KNOWING THAT IT
00:16:22.23\00:16:25.76
WAS HIS HABIT TO SIT THERE
AND EAT A SANDWICH IN THE DARK
00:16:25.76\00:16:29.76
END OF HIS OFFICE.
00:16:29.76\00:16:30.60
HE'D TURN THE LIGHTS OFF.
00:16:30.60\00:16:31.76
>> ELDER WILSON?
00:16:31.76\00:16:32.23
>> YEAH, WONDERFUL MAN.
00:16:32.23\00:16:33.23
FANTASTIC MAN.
00:16:33.23\00:16:35.06
AND LOVED HIM SO MUCH.
00:16:35.06\00:16:37.63
HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR HIM.
00:16:37.63\00:16:39.86
BUT WHEN I SAID TO HIM,
"ELDER, WE HAVE GOT TO BEGIN
00:16:39.86\00:16:43.40
A TELEVISION MINISTRY," HE
JUST--HE PUT HIS HAND TO HIS
00:16:43.40\00:16:48.96
HEAD AND HE SAID,
"OH, BROTHER GILLEY,
00:16:48.96\00:16:51.03
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH
MONEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT."
00:16:51.03\00:16:54.26
AND AT THAT TIME, OF COURSE,
THE CHALLENGES OF THE CHURCH
00:16:54.26\00:16:58.40
WERE UNBELIEVABLE.
00:16:58.40\00:16:59.56
THEY HAD THE FDR CHALLENGE,
FORD, DAVENPORT, AND RAY.
00:16:59.56\00:17:03.93
AND THE CHURCH WAS
ROCKED AT THAT TIME.
00:17:03.93\00:17:06.86
AND TO TAKE ON ANOTHER
THING--AND THEN A COUPLE OF GUYS
00:17:06.86\00:17:10.23
OUT THERE IN
ILLINOIS TOOK IT ON.
00:17:10.23\00:17:13.83
AND THE REST, AS
THEY SAY, IS HISTORY.
00:17:13.83\00:17:17.26
>> A COUPLE OF LAYPEOPLE.
00:17:17.26\00:17:18.26
>> YES.
00:17:18.26\00:17:19.30
YEAH, A COUPLE OF GUY--
DANNY SHELTON WAS THE ONE WHO
00:17:19.30\00:17:22.90
RECEIVED THE DREAM.
00:17:22.90\00:17:24.50
HE GOT HIS
BROTHER TO WORK WITH HIM.
00:17:24.50\00:17:26.43
BUT DANNY SHELTON IS THE
ONE THAT RECEIVED THE DREAM.
00:17:26.43\00:17:29.13
DANNY SHELTON'S THE ONE THAT
RESPONDED, AND I WILL TELL YOU
00:17:29.13\00:17:33.03
SOMETHING.
00:17:33.03\00:17:35.30
THIS IS A GUY HAS MORE FAITH
THAN, JOHN, I'VE EVER SEEN IN
00:17:35.30\00:17:38.83
ANY HUMAN BEING ON THIS EARTH.
00:17:38.83\00:17:40.43
I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
00:17:40.43\00:17:43.03
SOMETIMES WE GET JUST
ROCKED AND SOCKED AND IT IS
00:17:43.03\00:17:45.93
A DAY BY DAY FAITH VENTURE.
00:17:45.93\00:17:49.10
BUT HE IS ALWAYS THERE.
00:17:49.10\00:17:50.66
HIS FAITH IS ALWAYS STRONG.
00:17:50.66\00:17:52.93
AND I MARVEL AT IT.
00:17:52.93\00:17:55.53
IT'S A GREAT ENCOURAGEMENT TO
THOSE OF US THAT WORK WITH HIM.
00:17:55.53\00:17:58.23
>> I KNOW.
00:17:58.23\00:17:59.00
WHAT MAKES 3ABN
DIFFERENT, THOUGH?
00:17:59.00\00:18:02.13
>> I THINK IT'S THE MESSAGE.
00:18:02.13\00:18:03.83
SEE, THE MESSAGE IS
WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
00:18:03.83\00:18:05.90
AND THAT'S WHAT CAME
TO DANNY THAT FIRST NIGHT.
00:18:05.90\00:18:08.83
WHAT CAME TO HIM THAT FIRST
NIGHT WAS THAT IT HAD TO BE AN
00:18:08.83\00:18:12.16
UNDILUTED THREE ANGELS' MESSAGE.
00:18:12.16\00:18:16.20
>> I CAN HEAR DANNY SAYING IT.
00:18:16.20\00:18:17.46
>> YEAH, THE MESSAGE OF
REVELATION 13, 14, THE TRUTH AS
00:18:17.46\00:18:21.50
IT IS IN JESUS.
00:18:21.50\00:18:23.00
AND AT THE TIME, DANNY DIDN'T
EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT.
00:18:23.00\00:18:26.56
AND HE'LL TELL YOU, "I DID
NOT KNOW MY BIBLE WELL ENOUGH TO
00:18:26.56\00:18:29.66
KNOW WHAT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT."
00:18:29.66\00:18:32.20
AND SO HE SAID, "I HAD TO
LOOK IT UP TO FIND OUT WHAT IT
00:18:32.20\00:18:35.66
WAS--WHAT IT REALLY MEANT."
00:18:35.66\00:18:38.70
>> I BELIEVE THAT WHEN I LOOK AT
3ABN AND COMPARE 3ABN TO OTHER
00:18:38.70\00:18:45.03
TELEVISION STATIONS IN
NORTH AMERICA, IT IS WHAT
00:18:45.03\00:18:48.63
YOU SAY--IT IS
TRUE, IT IS THE MESSAGE.
00:18:48.63\00:18:52.56
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
00:18:52.56\00:18:53.56
>> NOW, THIS MESSAGE OF
REVELATION 14 IS NOT GOING TO
00:18:53.56\00:18:56.60
WIN ANY POPULARITY CONTESTS.
00:18:56.60\00:18:58.70
>> NO.
00:18:58.70\00:19:00.33
>> IT'S GOT THE GOSPEL.
00:19:00.33\00:19:01.83
I MEAN, IT STARTS WITH THE
GOSPEL, THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL,
00:19:01.83\00:19:04.43
THE GOOD NEWS OF THE LOVE
OF GOD, THE GOOD NEWS OF THE
00:19:04.43\00:19:07.56
ATONING SACRIFICE OF JESUS ON
THE CROSS, THIS WONDERFUL TRUTH
00:19:07.56\00:19:11.73
THAT WE ARE SAVED BY
GRACE ALONE THROUGH FAITH ALONE.
00:19:11.73\00:19:16.20
>> ABSOLUTELY.
00:19:16.20\00:19:17.40
>> I LOVE THE RALLYING CRY
OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMERS.
00:19:17.40\00:19:22.00
SOLA CHRISTUS, ONLY CHRIST.
00:19:22.00\00:19:24.10
SOLA SCRIPTURA, ONLY SCRIPTURE.
00:19:24.10\00:19:27.50
SOLA GRATIA, ONLY GRACE.
00:19:27.50\00:19:30.20
SOLA FIDE, ONLY FAITH.
00:19:30.20\00:19:33.33
BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT--JIM, YOU
KNOW AND I KNOW IT, YOU'VE GOT A
00:19:33.33\00:19:36.53
PACKAGE THERE THAT'S
NOT ALWAYS EASY TO PREACH.
00:19:36.53\00:19:40.16
IT TALKS ABOUT THE BEAST AND THE
IMAGE AND THE MARK OF THE BEAST.
00:19:40.16\00:19:45.40
BUT BLESS YOUR HEART, IF WE
ARE GOING TO DO THE WILL OF GOD,
00:19:45.40\00:19:49.03
WE CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM THAT.
00:19:49.03\00:19:50.96
>> NO.
00:19:50.96\00:19:51.73
GOD GAVE US THE
BOOK OF REVELATION.
00:19:51.73\00:19:53.76
JESUS--THIS IS JESUS' BOOK.
00:19:53.76\00:19:57.53
THIS IS HIS MAGNA CARTA.
00:19:57.53\00:19:59.86
THIS IS HIS SPEECH TO THE WORLD.
00:19:59.86\00:20:01.93
THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS,
"HEY, I'M COMING BACK.
00:20:01.93\00:20:05.06
THESE ARE THINGS THAT
ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
00:20:05.06\00:20:07.23
IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU'RE GOING TO
BE SHARING THESE THINGS," SEE.
00:20:07.23\00:20:11.20
AND YOU SHARE THEM IN
LOVE, BUT YOU SHARE THEM DIRECT.
00:20:11.20\00:20:14.56
I'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE THAT
HAVE TOLD ME, THEY SAY, "YOU
00:20:14.56\00:20:18.43
KNOW--" YOU SAY JOHN CARTER,
SAY, "BOY, HE PREACHES IT
00:20:18.43\00:20:21.56
STRAIGHT."
00:20:21.56\00:20:23.63
>> WOULD THEY LIKE
ME TO PREACH IT CROOKED?
00:20:23.63\00:20:25.80
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE
TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THERE ARE
00:20:25.80\00:20:28.60
A LOT OF NETWORKS
THAT WOULD NOT PUT YOU ON.
00:20:28.60\00:20:31.03
BUT WE PUT YOU ON BECAUSE WE
BELIEVE IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY
00:20:31.03\00:20:36.50
TO PUT YOU ON BECAUSE
YOU ARE PREACHING THE TRUTH.
00:20:36.50\00:20:40.90
AND THE SAME IS
TRUE WITH KENNETH COX
00:20:40.90\00:20:43.90
AND WITH DAVID ASSCHERICK
AND WITH LYLE ALBRECHT.
00:20:43.90\00:20:48.16
AND THESE ARE GUYS WHO ARE
PREACHING THE MESSAGE DIRECT.
00:20:48.16\00:20:52.53
JOHN, I RAN INTO A COUPLE
THE OTHER DAY, AND THIS CAN BE
00:20:52.53\00:20:56.60
REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
00:20:56.60\00:20:58.26
THIS WAS A
COUPLE OVER IN GEORGIA.
00:20:58.26\00:21:01.16
AND THE GENTLEMAN SAID TO ME,
HE SAID, "I WOULD SIT THERE WITH
00:21:01.16\00:21:05.13
MY NOTEBOOK."
00:21:05.13\00:21:06.03
HE SAID, "I
WATCHED 3ABN FOR 6 YEARS.
00:21:06.03\00:21:08.83
I WOULD SIT
THERE WITH MY NOTEBOOK.
00:21:08.83\00:21:10.76
JOHN CARTER WOULD COME ON,
I'D WRITE DOWN EVERY TEXT THAT
00:21:10.76\00:21:13.13
JOHN CARTER WOULD SAY
AND I'D LOOK THEM UP TO PROVE
00:21:13.13\00:21:16.20
HIM WRONG."
00:21:16.20\00:21:17.46
AND HE SAID, "I'D DO THE
SAME WITH KENNETH COX AND I'D DO
00:21:17.46\00:21:19.86
THE SAME WITH LYLE
ALBRECHT AND I WOULD DO IT WITH
00:21:19.86\00:21:22.20
DOUG BATCHELOR."
00:21:22.20\00:21:23.56
AND HE SAID, "FINALLY, I
TOLD MY WIFE--" HE SAID, "I HAD
00:21:23.56\00:21:26.56
NOTEBOOKS FULL OF NOTES."
00:21:26.56\00:21:28.63
HE SAID, "I FINALLY TOLD
MY WIFE, 'I CAN'T PROVE THIS
00:21:28.63\00:21:31.13
MESSAGE WRONG.'" HE
SAID, "WE'VE GOT TO FIND
00:21:31.13\00:21:34.93
A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST
CHURCH AND BECOME PART OF IT."
00:21:34.93\00:21:38.00
AND THERE HE WAS.
00:21:38.00\00:21:39.33
>> JIM, I'VE DISCOVERED THIS AND
YOU'VE DISCOVERED THIS TOO WHEN
00:21:39.33\00:21:42.26
YOU HAD THAT EXTRAORDINARY
SUCCESS IN UKRAINE THAT WE'RE
00:21:42.26\00:21:46.60
GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT.
00:21:46.60\00:21:48.83
I'VE DISCOVERED THIS, THAT WHEN
I PREACH THE MESSAGE IN THE LOVE
00:21:48.83\00:21:53.03
OF GOD, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE
GOSPEL OF CHRIST, BUT DON'T HOLD
00:21:53.03\00:21:57.80
BACK, PREACH THE WHOLE
MESSAGE, GOD TAKES OVER.
00:21:57.80\00:22:04.73
I'VE SEEN AROUND THE WORLD SOME
OF THE BIGGEST CROWDS IN THE
00:22:04.73\00:22:07.73
HISTORY OF THE PUBLIC
PREACHING OF THE MESSAGE OF GOD.
00:22:07.73\00:22:09.70
YOU HAVE, TOO.
00:22:09.70\00:22:12.50
>> YES.
00:22:13.13\00:22:14.53
>> WE HAD IN UKRAINE 100,000
PEOPLE NOT AT THE FIRST MEETING,
00:22:14.53\00:22:18.76
BUT TURNED AWAY.
00:22:18.76\00:22:21.50
SO I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE UP
DOING WHAT GOD TELLS ME TO DO
00:22:21.50\00:22:24.66
SIMPLY FOR POPULARITY.
00:22:24.66\00:22:26.53
AND SO THE PEOPLE WILL
SAY, "BOY, HE'S A NICE GUY.
00:22:26.53\00:22:28.70
HE'S NOT GOING TO
EVER EMBARRASS US."
00:22:31.26\00:22:35.13
>> "WE LIKE HIM."
00:22:35.13\00:22:36.56
>> YEAH, "WE LIKE HIM.
00:22:36.56\00:22:37.80
HE'S OUR KIND OF WIMPY GUY."
00:22:37.80\00:22:41.16
>> YEAH, YEAH.
00:22:41.16\00:22:42.16
"HE'S GOT FUNNY
STORIES TO TELL."
00:22:42.16\00:22:47.23
>> LET ME HAVE CHRIST.
00:22:47.23\00:22:48.30
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
00:22:48.30\00:22:49.63
>> LET ME HAVE THE BIBLE.
00:22:49.63\00:22:50.70
>> AMEN.
00:22:50.70\00:22:51.60
>> AND WHEN I READ THE STORIES
OF THE GREAT PREACHERS OF TIMES
00:22:51.60\00:22:55.20
PAST LIKE MARTIN LUTHER,
JOHN WESLEY, AND JOHN KNOX,
00:22:55.20\00:23:00.86
AND GEORGE WHITEFIELD, I
FIND MEN PREACHING A MESSAGE
00:23:00.86\00:23:06.40
THAT COMPLETELY
POLARIZED SOCIETY.
00:23:06.40\00:23:09.40
>> OH YEAH.
00:23:09.40\00:23:10.70
>> THEY USED TO COME
TO JOHN WESLEY'S MEETINGS
00:23:10.70\00:23:12.83
AND THROW MUD BALLS AT
HIM AND THROW STONES AT HIM.
00:23:12.83\00:23:17.60
AND ON SOME OCCASIONS, THEY'D
TAKE HIM AND HE HAD A WIG AND A
00:23:17.60\00:23:21.96
CLERGYMAN'S SUIT AND THEY WOULD
TAKE HIM AND THROW HIM IN THE
00:23:21.96\00:23:24.60
RIVER.
00:23:24.60\00:23:25.40
>> OH YEAH.
00:23:25.40\00:23:27.23
>> BECAUSE HE WAS
PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD.
00:23:27.23\00:23:29.20
THIS MAN HERE WHOM YOU AND
I VENERATE, H.M.S RICHARDS--
00:23:29.20\00:23:36.56
>> HE WAS CUT FROM THAT CLOTH.
00:23:36.56\00:23:38.43
>> YEAH, HE SAID IF YOU DON'T
HAVE A REVIVAL, YOU BETTER HAVE
00:23:38.43\00:23:42.13
A REVOLUTION.
00:23:42.13\00:23:43.30
>> THERE YOU GO, YES.
00:23:43.30\00:23:44.90
>> BUT DON'T HAVE NOTHING.
00:23:44.90\00:23:47.36
SO WHY DID YOU BECOME
A PASTOR AND MINISTER?
00:23:47.36\00:23:51.86
>> YOU KNOW, THIS
MAN HAD SOME INFLUENCE.
00:23:51.86\00:23:55.63
I FIRST MET HIM
WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY.
00:23:55.63\00:23:59.66
AND I WAS AT THE
TEXAS CAMP MEETING.
00:23:59.66\00:24:02.96
>> IN KEENE?
00:24:02.96\00:24:03.76
>> YES.
00:24:03.76\00:24:04.53
AND I REMEMBER THAT WE
WOULD WATCH FOR H.M.S RICHARDS
00:24:04.53\00:24:09.16
AND THE KING'S HERALDS
PROBABLY--THEY WERE COMING DOWN
00:24:09.16\00:24:13.36
THE ROAD IN THAT LIMOUSINE.
00:24:13.36\00:24:14.76
SOMEBODY HAD
GIVEN THEM A LIMOUSINE.
00:24:14.76\00:24:17.16
AND SO THEY WOULD DRIVE IN IN
THAT LIMOUSINE, AND THEY HAD A
00:24:17.16\00:24:21.00
BIG RACK ON TOP
OF THAT LIMOUSINE.
00:24:21.00\00:24:22.96
AND WE WOULD WATCH FOR THEM
SORT OF LIKE PEOPLE WOULD DO
00:24:22.96\00:24:27.03
ROCK STARS TODAY.
00:24:28.36\00:24:29.83
I MEAN, SERIOUSLY.
00:24:29.83\00:24:30.70
>> YES, I KNOW.
00:24:30.70\00:24:31.36
>> AND WHEN THEY WERE
COMING, WE SAW THAT QUARTET.
00:24:31.36\00:24:34.33
NOW, WE LOVED THAT
QUARTET, BUT WE ALSO--WE REVERED
00:24:34.33\00:24:39.16
ELDER RICHARDS.
00:24:39.16\00:24:40.43
I REMEMBER ONE DAY OUT UNDER
A TREE, I WAS WITH MY BROTHER,
00:24:40.43\00:24:43.10
PAUL, AND MY GOOD FRIEND,
DAN BUCKINGHAM, THE THREE
00:24:43.10\00:24:47.63
OF US OUT UNDER A TREE.
00:24:47.63\00:24:49.36
AND IT WAS A HOT TEXAS DAY.
00:24:49.36\00:24:52.26
WE WERE JUST WAITING PROBABLY
TO FIND SOME FUN TO GET INTO,
00:24:52.26\00:24:55.36
MAYBE A LITTLE MISCHIEF.
00:24:55.36\00:24:57.36
ELDER RICHARDS IS WALKING ALONG
WITH THE CONFERENCE PRESIDENT.
00:24:57.36\00:25:00.36
NOW, HE IS A GOOD 30 FEET AT
LEAST OR 40 FEET MAYBE FROM THE
00:25:00.36\00:25:04.43
SIDEWALK, AND HE SEES 3 BOYS
UNDER A TREE AND HE VEERS OFF.
00:25:04.43\00:25:09.46
I BELIEVE TO THIS DAY THAT
AN ANGEL VEERED HIM OVER THERE.
00:25:09.46\00:25:13.70
HE LEFT THE PRESIDENT AND
CAME OVER AND SPOKE TO US.
00:25:13.70\00:25:17.56
HE MUST HAVE THOUGHT THAT HE HAD
COME ON TO THREE BOYS WHO WERE
00:25:17.56\00:25:22.80
ABSOLUTELY DUMB
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SAY A WORD.
00:25:22.80\00:25:25.83
OUR MOUTHS WERE OPEN.
00:25:25.83\00:25:28.03
WE COULD NOT BELIEVE--I COULD
00:25:25.83\00:25:28.03
NOT EVEN RESPOND TO HIM.
00:25:30.23\00:25:32.46
I COULDN'T EVEN BE NICE TO HIM.
00:25:32.46\00:25:34.16
AND FINALLY, AFTER SPEAKING
TO US, HE SAID, "WELL, GOODBYE,
00:25:34.16\00:25:36.90
BOYS," AND HE LEFT.
00:25:36.90\00:25:37.76
AND HE PROBABLY THOUGHT, "WELL,
THOSE KIDS, THEY DIDN'T EVEN
00:25:37.76\00:25:40.20
APPRECIATE MY COMING OVER."
00:25:40.20\00:25:41.86
WE WERE JUST ASTOUNDED
THAT HE WOULD COME OVER.
00:25:41.86\00:25:45.43
AND LATER, I WAS ON HIS BOARD
OF COUNSELORS AS A YOUNG MAN AND
00:25:45.43\00:25:50.86
WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH HIM
SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR, WAS ABLE
00:25:50.86\00:25:54.33
TO GO TO HIS LIBRARY WITH HIM.
00:25:54.33\00:25:57.90
AND CAMILLE AND I WENT THERE.
00:25:57.90\00:26:00.63
JUST ENJOYED SPENDING LOTS
OF TIME WITH HIM, AND IT WAS
00:26:00.63\00:26:04.23
A GREAT BLESSING.
00:26:04.23\00:26:05.50
>> THE ONLY SERMON I
REMEMBER FROM AVONDALE DAYS,
00:26:05.50\00:26:08.53
I'M TELLING YOU-- >>
THAT'S A WHILE, YEAH.
00:26:08.53\00:26:12.33
>> YEAH, I MEAN, THAT
WASN'T LAST YEAR, JIM.
00:26:12.33\00:26:14.90
OR THE YEAR BEFORE.
00:26:14.90\00:26:17.00
I'LL SOON BE
SAYING THE CENTURY AGO.
00:26:17.00\00:26:20.06
NO, 50 YEARS AGO.
00:26:20.06\00:26:22.23
THE ONLY SERMON I REMEMBER FROM
AVONDALE WAS NOT PREACHED BY ANY
00:26:22.23\00:26:26.16
OF THE FACULTY.
00:26:26.16\00:26:28.43
A SERMON PREACHED
BY H.M.S RICHARDS.
00:26:28.43\00:26:31.43
I CAN TELL YOU THE SERMON NOW.
00:26:31.43\00:26:32.73
>> I BET YOU CAN.
00:26:32.73\00:26:33.90
>> IT WAS ON THE UNSPARING GOD.
00:26:33.90\00:26:35.96
>> OKAY.
00:26:35.96\00:26:37.70
>> IF GOD SPARED NOT THE
ANGELS, IF GOD SPARED NOT THE
00:26:37.70\00:26:43.13
ANTEDILUVIANS,
WILL HE SPARE YOU?
00:26:43.13\00:26:45.63
NO, HE'S AN UNSPARING GOD.
00:26:45.63\00:26:47.76
IF SPARED NOT--HE WENT ON TO THE
PEOPLE IN SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
00:26:47.76\00:26:53.03
SO GOD IS NOT GOING TO SPARE.
00:26:53.03\00:26:54.76
I'VE PREACHED
THE SAME A FEW TIMES.
00:26:54.76\00:26:56.90
GOD CANNOT SPARE US.
00:26:56.90\00:26:58.30
HE WILL NOT SPARE US AS
MINISTERS IF WE DO NOT PREACH
00:26:58.30\00:27:01.93
THE WORD OF GOD.
00:27:01.93\00:27:04.00
IF WE'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH OUR
FOOLISH POPULARITY THAN WE ARE
00:27:04.00\00:27:09.60
WITH FIDELITY TO GOD AND
TO TRUTH, HE WON'T SPARE US.
00:27:09.60\00:27:12.50
SO THIS WAS THE SERMON.
00:27:12.50\00:27:14.83
AND SO WHEN HE HAD TOLD US THAT
GOD WAS UTTERLY UNSPARING, THEN
00:27:14.83\00:27:18.50
HE TURNED TO ROMANS 8, "HE
THAT SPARED NOT HIS OWN SON."
00:27:18.50\00:27:23.30
THEN HE TOLD THE STORY OF
THE CROSS AND TOLD HOW HE BECAME
00:27:23.30\00:27:26.83
A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN.
00:27:26.83\00:27:28.63
YOU KNOW THE STORY.
00:27:28.63\00:27:29.30
YOU'VE HEARD IT.
00:27:29.30\00:27:30.10
>> RIGHT.
00:27:30.10\00:27:31.26
>> NOW, HIS MOTHER SAID, "YOU'VE
GOT TO BEAT ME," YOU KNOW,
00:27:31.26\00:27:36.00
BECAUSE SHE'D GIVEN UP ON HIM.
00:27:36.00\00:27:39.16
AND THEN HE TOLD HOW
HE WAS TO BEAT HIS MOTHER.
00:27:39.16\00:27:43.50
SHE BARED HER BACK AND SAID,
"HAROLD, YOU'LL HAVE TO BEAT
00:27:43.50\00:27:47.26
ME."
00:27:47.26\00:27:49.10
>> I REMEMBER THE SERMON MYSELF.
00:27:49.10\00:27:50.60
NOW YOU'RE TELLING IT.
00:27:50.60\00:27:52.43
YOU KNOW WHAT HE
SAID ABOUT PREACHING?
00:27:52.43\00:27:54.50
HE SAID, "I CAN'T PREACH A
SERMON TILL I'VE PREACHED IT
00:27:54.50\00:27:56.43
60 TIMES."
00:27:56.43\00:27:58.16
NOW, SEE, BECAUSE HE WAS GOING
TO SO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES,
00:27:58.16\00:28:01.06
HE COULD DO THAT.
00:28:01.06\00:28:02.73
>> SIXTY TIMES?
00:28:02.73\00:28:03.56
>> SIXTY TIMES.
00:28:03.56\00:28:04.33
I THINK IT MAY BE IN THIS
BOOK, BUT I'VE HEARD HIM SAY IT.
00:28:04.33\00:28:07.33
>> THAT MEANS HE
WAS ALSO AN EVANGELIST.
00:28:07.33\00:28:08.96
>> YES.
00:28:08.96\00:28:09.53
OH, HE WAS OUT THERE GOING.
00:28:09.53\00:28:10.76
>> WELL, HE ADDED TO
IT A LITTLE BIT, I THINK.
00:28:10.76\00:28:12.43
>> RIGHT.
00:28:12.43\00:28:16.16
>> AND, OF COURSE, THAT'S
SOMETHING YOU AND I WOULD NEVER
00:28:16.16\00:28:18.40
DO.
00:28:18.40\00:28:19.03
>> YOU KNOW, THE QUARTET USED TO
SAY THAT HE WOULD PREACH THOSE
00:28:19.03\00:28:23.30
SAME SERMONS.
00:28:23.30\00:28:24.26
LIKE THEY WOULD DO A
FRIDAY NIGHT, SABBATH MORNING,
00:28:24.26\00:28:26.53
SATURDAY NIGHT.
00:28:26.53\00:28:27.36
HE'D PREACH THE SAME SERMONS,
BUT HE SAID--THEY SAID, "WE
00:28:27.36\00:28:31.13
NEVER TIRED OF HEARING THEM
BECAUSE HE WOULD ALWAYS THROW IN
00:28:31.13\00:28:34.53
A LITTLE SOMETHING
DIFFERENT FOR US," THEY SAID.
00:28:34.53\00:28:38.66
>> HE WAS A MAN OF GOD.
00:28:38.66\00:28:40.36
HE TOUCHED MY LIFE.
00:28:40.36\00:28:42.20
AND HE TOUCHED YOURS.
00:28:42.20\00:28:43.00
>> YES, HE DID.
00:28:43.00\00:28:43.76
>> AND NOW HE'S TOUCHING
THE MINISTRY OF 3ABN AROUND
00:28:43.76\00:28:46.43
THE WORLD.
00:28:46.43\00:28:47.73
>> YES.
00:28:47.73\00:28:48.66
AND HE TOUCHED DANNY'S LIFE.
00:28:48.66\00:28:50.33
>> HE TOUCHED DANNY'S LIFE?
00:28:50.33\00:28:51.43
>> THROUGH H.M.S RICHARDS JR.
00:28:51.43\00:28:53.36
ESPECIALLY, WHO
ALSO WAS A GOOD FRIEND--
00:28:53.36\00:28:55.66
>> I LOVED HIM.
00:28:55.66\00:28:56.36
>> OF THE THREE OF US, YOU KNOW.
00:28:56.36\00:28:58.26
>> YES, I KNEW HIM WELL.
00:28:58.26\00:29:00.26
NOW JIM, LET ME TELL
YOU WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
00:29:00.26\00:29:02.66
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE
PAUSE FOR A MESSAGE AND WE'RE
00:29:02.66\00:29:05.93
GOING TO COME BACK AND I'M GOING
TO GET YOU TO TELL ME THE STORY
00:29:05.93\00:29:09.70
OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU WENT
TO UKRAINE BECAUSE THERE WERE
00:29:09.70\00:29:14.80
MIRACLES.
00:29:14.80\00:29:15.73
STAY WITH US.
00:29:15.73\00:29:16.80
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
00:29:16.80\00:29:18.80
>> HELLO, FRIEND.
00:29:20.80\00:29:22.00
DO YOU EVER WONDER
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT?
00:29:22.00\00:29:24.66
HOW CAN WE EVER GET THE IMAGES
OF JAPAN OUT OF OUR MINDS?
00:29:24.66\00:29:28.76
THINK OF THIS
TREMENDOUS TSUNAMI.
00:29:28.76\00:29:30.60
I'VE NEVER SEEN
ANYTHING LIKE IT.
00:29:30.60\00:29:32.40
I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT
GOD IS SENDING A WAKEUP CALL
00:29:32.40\00:29:37.60
TO THE NATIONS OF THIS WORLD.
00:29:37.60\00:29:39.66
THAT MESSAGE IS GET READY
00:29:37.60\00:29:39.66
BECAUSE CHRIST IS COMING SOON.
00:29:41.56\00:29:43.93
I BELIEVE THAT CHRIST IS ALSO
SENDING A WAKEUP CALL TO THE
00:29:43.93\00:29:47.70
CHURCH.
00:29:47.70\00:29:49.13
I WANT YOU TO KNOW TODAY THIS
CANNOT BE BUSINESS AS USUAL.
00:29:49.13\00:29:54.56
WE HAVE A WORK TO DO.
00:29:54.56\00:29:56.26
AND THE BIBLE TELLS ME WE ARE
CALLED TO GO INTO ALL THE WORLD
00:29:56.26\00:30:00.26
AND TO PREACH THE EVERLASTING
GOSPEL, THE GOOD NEWS
00:30:00.26\00:30:03.80
OF JESUS CHRIST, THE LORD.
00:30:03.80\00:30:06.06
I WANT YOU TO JOIN ME, MY
FRIEND, IN THE GREAT NATIONS OF
00:30:06.06\00:30:09.46
THE WORLD IN WORLD EVANGELISM.
00:30:09.46\00:30:13.03
WE'RE WORKING IN CHINA.
00:30:13.03\00:30:14.63
JOIN US.
00:30:14.63\00:30:15.76
I WANT YOU TO JOIN US IN INDIA.
00:30:15.76\00:30:17.96
WE'VE GOT A
TELEVISION PROGRAM IN INDIA.
00:30:17.96\00:30:20.13
IT IS A LAND OF MORE
THAN A BILLION SOULS.
00:30:20.13\00:30:23.40
JOIN US IN INDIA.
00:30:23.40\00:30:25.16
I WANT YOU TO JOIN US IN RUSSIA
AND UKRAINE AND HERE IN THE
00:30:25.16\00:30:28.86
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN
AUSTRALIA, ALL AROUND THE WORLD
00:30:28.86\00:30:33.36
WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR
THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST.
00:30:33.36\00:30:39.13
I SAY THIS BECAUSE
I'VE GOT A FIRE IN MY SOUL.
00:30:39.13\00:30:43.30
JESUS IS COMING SOON, AND
YOU AND I HAVE GOT A WORK TO DO.
00:30:43.30\00:30:49.96
PLEASE WRITE TO
ME TODAY, JOHN CARTER
00:30:49.96\00:30:52.73
POST OFFICE BOX 1900
THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA
00:30:52.73\00:30:56.73
91358.
00:30:56.73\00:30:58.60
IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC, WRITE
TO ME AT BEAUTIFUL TERRIGAL.
00:30:58.60\00:31:03.56
THE ADDRESS IS NOW
APPEARING ON THE SCREEN.
00:31:03.56\00:31:06.26
LISTEN, MY FRIEND.
00:31:06.26\00:31:08.16
JESUS IS COMING SOON.
00:31:08.16\00:31:11.60
WE MUST WORK WHILE IT IS
DAY BECAUSE THE NIGHT IS COMING.
00:31:11.60\00:31:18.20
>> WELCOME BACK.
00:31:22.10\00:31:23.53
MY SPECIAL GUEST TODAY IS
DR. JAMES GILLEY, THE PRESIDENT
00:31:23.53\00:31:27.90
OF THREE ANGELS
BROADCASTING NETWORK.
00:31:27.90\00:31:30.86
WELCOME BACK, JIM.
00:31:30.86\00:31:31.66
>> WELL, THANK YOU, JOHN.
00:31:31.66\00:31:32.83
IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
00:31:32.83\00:31:34.83
>> NOW TELL ME A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IN
00:31:34.83\00:31:38.36
YOUR LIFE.
00:31:38.36\00:31:40.13
>> WELL, SHE REALLY IS.
00:31:40.13\00:31:41.40
CAMILLE AND I MET
WHEN WE WERE IN COLLEGE.
00:31:41.40\00:31:45.60
>> THAT WAS, WHAT, 20 YEARS AGO?
00:31:45.60\00:31:46.93
FIFTEEN?
00:31:46.93\00:31:48.33
MAYBE A LITTLE MORE.
00:31:48.33\00:31:49.60
>> AT LEAST THAT MANY.
00:31:49.60\00:31:50.56
WE HAVE CHILDREN
IN THEIR 40s, SO--
00:31:50.56\00:31:52.90
>> OH, YOU DO?
00:31:52.90\00:31:53.66
>> OH, YES.
00:31:53.66\00:31:54.53
AND NINE GRANDCHILDREN.
00:31:54.53\00:31:56.50
SO WE'VE BEEN
MARRIED A LONG TIME.
00:31:56.50\00:31:59.36
AND WE WERE MARRIED AT
THE END OF 2 YEARS OF COLLEGE.
00:31:59.36\00:32:03.36
>> AND DOESN'T SHE LOOK GREAT?
00:32:03.36\00:32:04.93
>> SHE LOOKS LIKE
SHE JUST GRADUATED.
00:32:04.93\00:32:07.13
IT'S AMAZING.
00:32:07.13\00:32:08.16
AS DOES BEVERLY.
00:32:08.16\00:32:09.40
THOSE TWO HAVE REALLY DONE WELL.
00:32:09.40\00:32:11.93
AND WE CAN BOTH BE
PROUD OF OUR WIVES.
00:32:11.93\00:32:15.23
WE REALLY CAN.
00:32:15.23\00:32:16.50
BUT JOHN, YOU KNOW, WE WENT
TO MONTANA FOR A YEAR AND TAUGHT
00:32:16.50\00:32:20.20
SCHOOL TO GET A LITTLE
MONEY TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.
00:32:20.20\00:32:22.33
WENT BACK TO ANDREWS.
00:32:22.33\00:32:23.76
LATER RECEIVED A CALL INTO
THE MINISTRY OUT IN SOUTHERN
00:32:23.76\00:32:25.56
NEW ENGLAND CONFERENCE.
00:32:25.56\00:32:29.26
AND MURRO MILLS CALLED
US OUT THERE, WONDERFUL MAN.
00:32:30.83\00:32:34.86
LATER GOT TO WORK
ALSO WITH LOWELL BACH.
00:32:34.86\00:32:38.30
AFTER 1 YEAR OF PASTORAL WORK,
THEY MADE ME THE CONFERENCE
00:32:38.30\00:32:41.83
EVANGELIST OF ALL THINGS, AND
I WORKED THERE AS A CONFERENCE
00:32:41.83\00:32:46.03
EVANGELIST UNTIL
I MOVED TO TEXAS.
00:32:46.03\00:32:48.50
>> HOW MANY CAMPAIGNS A YEAR?
00:32:48.50\00:32:50.60
>> WELL, IN THOSE
DAYS, I WAS DOING TEN A YEAR.
00:32:50.60\00:32:53.36
>> TEN A YEAR.
00:32:53.36\00:32:54.36
>> AND IT JUST
ABOUT DESTROYED ME.
00:32:54.36\00:32:57.63
IT REALLY DID.
00:32:57.63\00:32:58.36
WHEN I LEFT THERE, I
WAS PRETTY WELL BURNED OUT.
00:32:58.36\00:33:00.63
>> EACH CAMPAIGN 3 WEEKS.
00:33:00.63\00:33:02.76
>> FOUR WEEKS IN THOSE--I
WAS DOING A 4-WEEK CAMPAIGN
00:33:02.76\00:33:05.63
IN NEW ENGLAND.
00:33:05.63\00:33:06.90
>> NOBODY KNOWS
WHAT THAT IS LIKE.
00:33:06.90\00:33:08.80
>> NO, AND I WOULD FINISH IT ON
SABBATH AND START THE NEXT ONE
00:33:08.80\00:33:13.33
SOMETIMES THE NEXT
NIGHT ON SUNDAY NIGHT.
00:33:13.33\00:33:16.76
AT THE MOST, I HAD TO START
IT THE NEXT WEEKEND, THE NEXT
00:33:16.76\00:33:19.96
FRIDAY NIGHT.
00:33:19.96\00:33:21.13
>> LORD HAVE MERCY.
00:33:21.13\00:33:21.96
>> THAT WAS THE MOST TIME I HAD
BETWEEN MEETINGS AT THAT TIME.
00:33:21.96\00:33:25.36
>> YOU WENT BACK THEN TO TEXAS?
00:33:25.36\00:33:26.80
>> WENT BACK TO TEXAS AND HAD
A DREAM FOR A SELF-SUPPORTING--
00:33:26.80\00:33:31.10
>> YOU'RE A TEXAN?
00:33:31.10\00:33:32.23
>> YES, I AM.
00:33:32.23\00:33:33.60
>> YOU WENT DOWN TO TEXAS.
00:33:33.60\00:33:34.56
>> I WENT DOWN THERE WITH
A DREAM OF BEING IN BUSINESS
00:33:34.56\00:33:37.90
BECAUSE I HAD BEEN IN BUSINESS.
00:33:37.90\00:33:39.53
MY FATHER WAS IN BUSINESS, I
KIND OF HAD THAT IN MY BLOOD.
00:33:39.53\00:33:43.13
AND I HAD BEEN IN
BUSINESS IN COLLEGE.
00:33:43.13\00:33:45.33
I HAD A DREAM OF BEING IN
BUSINESS AS AN ASI BUSINESS AND
00:33:45.33\00:33:49.90
THEN HAVING A MINISTRY AT
THE SAME TIME, AN EVANGELISTIC
00:33:49.90\00:33:53.13
MINISTRY.
00:33:53.13\00:33:54.00
IT TOOK ME A LITTLE
WHILE TO REALLY GET THAT GOING.
00:33:54.00\00:33:57.33
BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING, JOHN,
I CAN REMEMBER TRAVELING OUT
00:33:57.33\00:34:01.26
AND MY FAMILY GOING WITH
ME, MY KIDS, JIMMY AND MARYANN
00:34:01.26\00:34:06.93
AND JOHN AND AMY, AND MY WIFE,
CAMILLE, WE WOULD GO OUT IN A
00:34:06.93\00:34:12.86
VAN.
00:34:12.86\00:34:13.86
WE GO, DRIVE MANY MILES TO
A PLACE WHERE WE WERE HOLDING
00:34:13.86\00:34:17.20
EVANGELISTIC MEETING, HOLD A
MEETING AND THOSE KIDS WOULD BE
00:34:17.20\00:34:20.20
ASLEEP WHILE I
WOULD DRIVE BACK AT NIGHT.
00:34:20.20\00:34:22.60
THEY GET UP AND GO TO
SCHOOL THE NEXT MORNING.
00:34:22.60\00:34:24.30
>> I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE.
00:34:24.30\00:34:25.06
>> YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE.
00:34:25.06\00:34:26.40
AND SOMETIMES THOSE
MEETINGS WERE VERY SMALL.
00:34:26.40\00:34:30.30
AND SOMETIMES I WOULD DRIVE
ALONG AND THE LORD AND I WOULD
00:34:30.30\00:34:32.93
JUST BE TALKING AND I'D SAY,
"LORD, WHY AM I DOING THIS?"
00:34:32.93\00:34:37.43
AND YOU KNOW-- >>
AND CAN YOU BUILD UP THE
00:34:37.43\00:34:39.10
AUDIENCE A LITTLE?
00:34:39.10\00:34:40.00
>> YEAH, RIGHT.
00:34:40.00\00:34:41.93
BUT THE ANSWER
CAME BACK TO ME CLEARLY.
00:34:41.93\00:34:44.56
HE SAID, "JIM, KEEP DOING THIS
BECAUSE YOU'RE STAYING SHARP.
00:34:44.56\00:34:50.20
I'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR
YOU ONE OF THESE DAYS."
00:34:50.20\00:34:52.43
AND WHEN I GOT TO UKRAINE,
I FOUND OUT WHAT IT WAS.
00:34:52.43\00:34:55.90
>> TELL US WHAT
HAPPENED IN UKRAINE.
00:34:55.90\00:34:57.30
>> WELL, IN UKRAINE, IT
WAS ALL THE HOLY SPIRIT.
00:34:57.30\00:34:59.86
I JUST GOT TO WATCH WHAT
THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS DOING.
00:34:59.86\00:35:02.66
AND IT WAS SO AMAZING AND I
JUST USED TO THANK GOD AND SAY,
00:35:02.66\00:35:05.56
"THANK YOU, LORD,
FOR LETTING ME SEE THIS."
00:35:05.56\00:35:08.20
>> YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
IS TRUE, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE
00:35:08.20\00:35:11.16
MORE THAT COULD BE ADDED.
00:35:11.16\00:35:14.23
THERE COMES A TIME
WHEN GOD NEEDS A MAN.
00:35:14.23\00:35:19.13
THERE WAS A MAN
SENT FROM GOD, YOU KNOW?
00:35:19.13\00:35:22.20
JOHN 1.
00:35:22.20\00:35:23.40
>> YEAH.
00:35:23.40\00:35:24.60
>> YOU WERE THERE AT THE
RIGHT TIME, IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
00:35:24.60\00:35:28.56
>> 1991.
00:35:28.56\00:35:30.20
COMMUNISM HADN'T FALLEN YET.
00:35:30.20\00:35:31.56
>> NO, NO.
00:35:31.56\00:35:32.53
I WAS IN MOSCOW IN 1991.
00:35:32.53\00:35:34.83
BUT GOD PREPARED YOU FOR
THAT PRECIOUS MOMENT IN HISTORY.
00:35:34.83\00:35:38.80
>> EXACTLY, HE DID.
00:35:38.80\00:35:40.40
>> YOU WERE A PART
OF HISTORY THERE, JIM.
00:35:40.40\00:35:42.33
>> IT WAS AMAZING.
00:35:42.33\00:35:43.90
NOW DNEPROPETROVSK IS--WAS
WHERE MY FIRST MEETING WAS.
00:35:43.90\00:35:47.70
>> YEAH, I KNOW THE CITY.
00:35:47.70\00:35:48.70
>> AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO
KIEV, I WAS TOLD I WAS GOING TO
00:35:48.70\00:35:51.03
KIEV FIRST.
00:35:51.03\00:35:52.06
AND THEN I WAS REALLY
DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I COULD SAY
00:35:52.06\00:35:55.70
KIEV AND I CAN--STILL NOT
PRONOUNCE DNEPROPETROVSK--
00:35:55.70\00:35:58.93
>> YOU DO IT PRETTY WELL.
00:35:58.93\00:35:59.83
>> EXACTLY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
00:35:59.83\00:36:01.93
AND I COULDN'T
FIND IT ON THE MAP.
00:36:01.93\00:36:04.53
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS
A TWO AND A HALF MILLION
00:36:04.53\00:36:07.10
POPULATION CITY BECAUSE I
COULDN'T EVEN FIND--IT WAS
00:36:07.10\00:36:11.40
ONE OF THOSE CLOSED CITIES,
ONE OF THOSE HIDDEN CITIES.
00:36:11.40\00:36:14.33
PEOPLE COULD NOT GO IN
AND OUT OF THERE FREELY.
00:36:14.33\00:36:17.33
UP UNTIL 2 YEARS BEFORE THE
MEETINGS, A BAPTISM WAS ILLEGAL
00:36:17.33\00:36:22.00
AND PEOPLE COULD GO TO JAIL FOR
6 MONTHS FIRST OFFENSE, UP TO
00:36:22.00\00:36:25.33
3 YEARS SECOND OFFENSE.
00:36:25.33\00:36:27.60
AND SO THAT HOLDS DOWN
BAPTISMS QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW.
00:36:27.60\00:36:31.80
AND IN 1946, A LADY BY THE NAME
OF DORYA HAD HAD A DREAM THAT
00:36:31.80\00:36:38.86
SOMEDAY A MAN FROM AMERICA WOULD
COME TO DNEPROPETROVSK, THAT HE
00:36:38.86\00:36:43.66
WOULD HOLD AN EVANGELISTIC--THAT
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WOULD COME,
00:36:43.66\00:36:46.50
THAT HUNDREDS WOULD BE BAPTIZED.
00:36:46.50\00:36:48.53
>> MORE THAN HUNDREDS.
00:36:48.53\00:36:49.50
>> AND THAT THAT LITTLE CHURCH
WOULD JUST BLOSSOM INTO MANY
00:36:49.50\00:36:53.93
CHURCHES.
00:36:53.93\00:36:55.33
AND THAT LADY WAS STILL ALIVE
WHEN I HELD MY MEETING THERE.
00:36:55.33\00:36:59.30
SHE WAS SICK, LYING AT HOME.
00:36:59.30\00:37:01.50
BUT THEY WOULD TAKE A RECORDER
TO HER, 'CAUSE I TOOK A LOT OF
00:37:01.50\00:37:04.53
TAPE RECORDERS WITH ME, AND I
GAVE AWAY ONE EVERY NIGHT WITH A
00:37:04.53\00:37:08.10
SET OF TAPES.
00:37:08.10\00:37:09.50
AND THEY WOULD TAKE THE TAPES
AND THE RECORDER AND PLAY HER
00:37:09.50\00:37:13.93
THE MESSAGE WHICH SHE COULD HEAR
IT IN ENGLISH BUT SHE HEARD THE
00:37:13.93\00:37:17.60
TRANSLATOR AS WELL.
00:37:17.60\00:37:19.50
AND THIS LADY, WITH TEARS
FLOWING DOWN HER CHEEKS, BECAUSE
00:37:19.50\00:37:22.76
SHE'D HAD THIS DREAM AND SHE
HAD SHARED THE DREAM AND ANOTHER
00:37:22.76\00:37:26.23
LADY HAD HAD THE
EXACT SAME DREAM.
00:37:26.23\00:37:28.23
AND THROUGHOUT THE SOVIET UNION,
THEY HAD ENCOURAGED THEMSELVES
00:37:28.23\00:37:32.16
THAT THIS WAS
GOING TO HAPPEN SOMEDAY.
00:37:32.16\00:37:34.83
LOOK AT THE MIRACLE,
CLOSED CITY, AMERICA COULD
00:37:34.83\00:37:38.03
NOT EVEN GO IN THE CITY.
00:37:38.03\00:37:39.93
AMERICANS COULD CERTAINLY NOT
PREACH OR ANYBODY ELSE PREACH
00:37:39.93\00:37:43.13
THE GOSPEL.
00:37:43.13\00:37:45.83
THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF THIS WAS
COMPLETE AND TOTAL IMPOSSIBILITY
00:37:45.83\00:37:51.60
WITHOUT GOD'S INTERVENTION.
00:37:51.60\00:37:54.00
>> TELL ME ABOUT THE CROWDS.
00:37:54.00\00:37:55.46
>> WELL THE FIRST NIGHT, IN FACT
IT WAS SO AMAZING, THE MAN THAT
00:37:55.46\00:38:00.43
RENTED THE THEATER, IT WAS
AN OUTDOOR THEATER BUT IT WAS
00:38:00.43\00:38:04.76
TOTALLY TIGHTLY ENCLOSED, THAT
FIRST THEATER I WENT INTO LATER.
00:38:04.76\00:38:08.53
WENT INTO THE SPORTS ARENA
AND THE LORD GAVE US OVER 1200
00:38:08.53\00:38:11.76
BAPTISMS IN THAT MEETING.
00:38:11.76\00:38:13.60
>> WAS THAT THE PALACE OF SPORT?
00:38:13.60\00:38:14.70
>> YEAH, THAT'S THE PLACE THERE.
00:38:14.70\00:38:17.13
AND WE--THAT WAS
OUR SECOND MEETING.
00:38:17.13\00:38:20.23
BUT IN THAT FIRST MEETING, THEY
RENTED A LITTLE PLACE SEATED
00:38:20.23\00:38:22.90
MAYBE 2,000 PEOPLE.
00:38:22.90\00:38:25.13
YOU COULD STAND ANOTHER
1,000; 2,000 IN THE AISLES.
00:38:25.13\00:38:29.96
WHEN WE GOT TO THAT FIRST
MEETING THAT NIGHT, AND BY THE
00:38:29.96\00:38:33.83
WAY, SOME OF THE SEATS IN THE
BACK, OUTDOOR THEATER, IN THE
00:38:33.83\00:38:37.56
PARK THERE, THEY HAD MOVIES
AT NIGHT THERE IN THE SUMMER.
00:38:37.56\00:38:42.90
AND WHEN THEY RENTED IT, THEY
SAID, "YOU NEED TO FIX THESE
00:38:42.90\00:38:48.13
SEATS."
00:38:48.13\00:38:49.43
AND THE MAN WHO RAN THE PLACE
LAUGHED AND HE SAID, "YOU'LL
00:38:49.43\00:38:52.46
NEVER FILL THIS PLACE.
00:38:52.46\00:38:53.80
NOBODY'S GONNA COME
HERE, A RELIGIOUS MEETING."
00:38:53.80\00:38:56.60
>> HAVEN'T WE HEARD THIS?
00:38:56.60\00:38:57.63
>> YEAH, AND THEN HE--THEN HIS
STATEMENT WAS, "I'LL TELL YOU
00:38:57.63\00:39:01.26
WHAT.
00:39:01.26\00:39:02.23
IF YOU FILL THE SEAT, I'LL
TAKE THE LAST SEAT AND SIT IN IT
00:39:02.23\00:39:04.96
MYSELF."
00:39:04.96\00:39:06.80
AND BEHOLD, HE WAS
THERE, SITTING IN THE LAST SEAT
00:39:06.80\00:39:10.96
HIMSELF.
00:39:10.96\00:39:11.86
HE DID FINALLY FIX THOSE SEATS
THAT WERE BROKEN IN THE BACK.
00:39:11.86\00:39:15.70
THAT NIGHT, TOTALLY PACKED
OUT, PEOPLE STANDING IN ALL THE
00:39:15.70\00:39:19.83
AISLES.
00:39:19.83\00:39:20.56
WE HAD TO GO TWO SESSIONS.
00:39:20.56\00:39:22.43
>> AND YOU COULD SENSE
THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRIT.
00:39:22.43\00:39:24.13
>> OH, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
00:39:24.13\00:39:25.86
>> YOU COULD
FEEL THE POWER THERE.
00:39:25.86\00:39:28.40
>> THERE WERE
HEALINGS THAT TOOK PLACE.
00:39:28.40\00:39:30.06
IT WAS PENTECOST.
00:39:30.06\00:39:31.80
THERE WAS--I HAVE NEVER SEEN
ANYTHING OR FELT ANYTHING LIKE
00:39:31.80\00:39:35.66
THIS IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.
00:39:35.66\00:39:37.30
>> YOU AND I HAVE
MANY THINGS IN COMMON.
00:39:37.30\00:39:39.93
>> YES.
00:39:39.93\00:39:40.63
>> WE HAVE SEEN THE LATTER RAIN.
00:39:40.63\00:39:42.83
>> YES, WE HAVE.
00:39:42.83\00:39:43.60
>> I'VE MET PEOPLE WHO SAY, "YOU
KNOW, IT'S GOING TO COME IN THE
00:39:43.60\00:39:46.03
FUTURE."
00:39:46.03\00:39:46.63
YEAH, IT IS.
00:39:46.63\00:39:47.40
IT IS.
00:39:47.40\00:39:48.40
BUT WE HAVE SEEN IT ALSO.
00:39:48.40\00:39:49.63
>> YES, WE HAVE.
00:39:49.63\00:39:50.53
>> WE'VE SEEN THE MIGHTY
OUTPOURING OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
00:39:50.53\00:39:54.23
>> THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
00:39:54.23\00:39:55.96
AND YOU KNOW, THE LORD DID SOME
MIRACLES THERE BECAUSE 70 YEARS
00:39:55.96\00:39:59.56
THE GOSPEL HADN'T BEEN PREACHED.
00:39:59.56\00:40:01.60
AND THEY BROUGHT IN ALL OF THE
PREACHERS, 120 PREACHERS OUT IN
00:40:01.60\00:40:04.83
A FIELD SCHOOL EVERY MORNING.
00:40:04.83\00:40:07.10
AND THEN WE WOULD GATHER FOR AN
HOUR AND PRAY OVER EVERY ONE OF
00:40:07.10\00:40:12.83
THOSE REQUESTS THAT CAME IN,
EVERY INTEREST THAT WAS THERE.
00:40:12.83\00:40:17.23
WE PRAYED FOR THOSE
PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE MORNING.
00:40:17.23\00:40:21.16
AND THE MIRACLES THAT WE SAW AND
HEALINGS THAT HAPPENED AND JUST
00:40:21.16\00:40:26.80
ABSOLUTE MIRACLES THAT
WERE--SOME OF THEM THAT WERE
00:40:26.80\00:40:30.66
VERIFIED BY
X-RAYS, FOR INSTANCE.
00:40:30.66\00:40:35.10
CANCERS THAT WERE GONE, THAT
NO LONGER SHOWED UP ON X-RAYS.
00:40:35.10\00:40:39.36
THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
00:40:39.36\00:40:41.33
>> HE'S ALIVE.
00:40:41.33\00:40:42.26
>> HE IS.
00:40:42.26\00:40:42.90
I'M JUST--THANK GOD HE LET
ME SEE WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO.
00:40:42.90\00:40:46.26
>> I WANT TO TELL
THE PEOPLE, HE'S ALIVE.
00:40:46.26\00:40:47.96
>> YES, HE IS.
00:40:47.96\00:40:48.73
>> YOU SHOULD NEVER BE
DISCOURAGED BECAUSE JESUS IS
00:40:48.73\00:40:51.76
ALIVE.
00:40:51.76\00:40:53.36
WHEN WE WERE IN DNEPROPETROVSK,
WE CAME TO WORK ON FOUNDATIONS
00:40:53.36\00:40:55.30
THAT YOU HAD SO WONDERFULLY
00:40:55.30\00:40:58.40
ESTABLISHED
THROUGH THE POWER OF GOD.
00:41:00.06\00:41:02.33
WE SAW HEALINGS.
00:41:02.33\00:41:03.30
>> YES.
00:41:03.30\00:41:04.30
>> PEOPLE SAY, "WELL, THOSE
THINGS DON'T HAPPEN ANYMORE."
00:41:04.30\00:41:06.50
>> OH, YES THEY DO.
00:41:06.50\00:41:07.70
>> WE SAW A LADY
WHO WAS DYING OF CANCER.
00:41:07.70\00:41:10.66
WE ANOINTED HER IN THE NAME OF
THE LORD BETWEEN TWO SESSIONS.
00:41:10.66\00:41:14.50
AND WHEN I WENT BACK THE
FOLLOWING WINTER TO GREET THE
00:41:14.50\00:41:16.96
PEOPLE, I WALKED UP ON THE
STAGE, VAST CROWD OF PEOPLE
00:41:16.96\00:41:20.26
THERE, AND THE LADY WHO WELCOMED
00:41:20.26\00:41:23.60
ME BROUGHT A BIG
BOUQUET OF FLOWERS.
00:41:25.83\00:41:29.03
SHE SAID, "YOU
DON'T REMEMBER ME."
00:41:29.03\00:41:31.06
SHE SAID, "I WAS THE
LADY THEY WERE GOING TO BURY."
00:41:31.06\00:41:35.60
SHE SAID, "I WAS
COMPLETELY HEALED OF CANCER."
00:41:35.60\00:41:40.33
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WILL
OF GOD IS FOR EVERY SPECIFIC
00:41:40.33\00:41:44.13
SITUATION, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT
GOD IS MORE THAN ABLE TO TAKE
00:41:44.13\00:41:49.36
CARE OF THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE.
00:41:49.36\00:41:50.73
>> YOU KNOW, JOHN, IN THAT
MEETING, WE ONLY WENT 3 WEEKS
00:41:50.73\00:41:53.80
AND ONLY DID 1 BAPTISM.
00:41:53.80\00:41:56.06
AND THEY HAD NEVER HAD A BAPTISM
OF MORE THAN A FEW PEOPLE IN
00:41:56.06\00:42:00.73
UKRAINE AT THAT TIME.
00:42:00.73\00:42:02.86
AND THERE WERE
480 IN THAT BAPTISM.
00:42:02.86\00:42:06.13
AND THE PEOPLE SAID, "NO MORE,
NO, THERE CANNOT BE ANYMORE."
00:42:06.13\00:42:10.43
THEY COULD NOT HANDLE--THE
PASTORS COULDN'T THINK THAT THAT
00:42:10.43\00:42:14.40
MANY PEOPLE COULD
BE READY, EXCEPT JESUS.
00:42:14.40\00:42:17.10
>> SOME PEOPLE, WE'LL LET
THEM REMAIN ANONYMOUS, SENT ME A
00:42:17.10\00:42:18.76
MESSAGE DURING
THE KIEV CAMPAIGN.
00:42:20.70\00:42:23.30
WE SAW THOUSANDS BAPTIZED.
00:42:23.30\00:42:25.73
THEY TOLD ME A MESSAGE,
"GET BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG,
00:42:25.73\00:42:28.56
GET BACK TO AMERICA.
00:42:28.56\00:42:30.30
WE DON'T WANT YOU PREACHING OVER
THERE BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE
00:42:30.30\00:42:33.76
THAT THESE
PEOPLE COULD BE READY."
00:42:33.76\00:42:35.73
>> YEAH, BUT WHEN I WENT TO
KIEV, I WAS LOOKING--THEY HAD
00:42:35.73\00:42:39.20
PUT OUT NO
ADVERTISING WHEN I WENT.
00:42:39.20\00:42:42.06
I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, WE HAD PAID
TO HAVE SOME THINGS PRINTED.
00:42:42.06\00:42:45.76
WE HAD PAID TO HAVE THE POSTERS.
00:42:45.76\00:42:47.66
AND I'M DRIVING ALONG AND I
KNOW HOW TO GET A FEEL FOR IT.
00:42:47.66\00:42:51.86
AND I SAID, "THESE
POSTERS HAVE NOT BEEN PUT OUT."
00:42:51.86\00:42:55.56
AND THEY SAID, "OH,
YES, THEY'VE BEEN PUT OUT."
00:42:55.56\00:42:57.16
I SAID, "NO, THEY HAVEN'T.
00:42:57.16\00:42:58.26
I WOULD KNOW."
00:42:58.26\00:42:59.23
THAT NIGHT, THEY WENT AND TACKED
UP POSTERS BETWEEN WHERE I WAS
00:42:59.23\00:43:04.06
STAYING AND THE THEATER AND
SAID, "SEE, THERE'S A POSTER."
00:43:04.06\00:43:08.06
I SAID, "THOSE HAVE JUST
BEEN TACKED UP OVERNIGHT."
00:43:08.06\00:43:10.63
>> AND THESE ARE OUR FRIENDS.
00:43:10.63\00:43:11.73
>> THESE WERE--YOU KNOW WHAT?
00:43:11.73\00:43:12.76
THE PRESIDENT OF THAT PARTICULAR
CONFERENCE AT THAT PARTICULAR
00:43:12.76\00:43:15.30
TIME, HE WAS NO
LONGER PRESIDENT.
00:43:15.30\00:43:17.70
BUT HE SAID, "WE
CAN'T HANDLE THE BAPTISMS."
00:43:17.70\00:43:21.16
>> I KNOW.
00:43:21.16\00:43:21.93
>> WE DON'T HAVE THE PASTORS,
WE DON'T HAVE THE CHURCH.
00:43:21.93\00:43:24.86
WE JUST KIND OF
WANTED A LITTLE REVIVAL.
00:43:24.86\00:43:27.53
AND SO THIS WAS THE KIND
OF THING YOU SOMETIMES HAD TO
00:43:27.53\00:43:30.76
BATTLE AGAINST, JOHN.
00:43:30.76\00:43:32.26
>> OH, OFTEN.
00:43:32.26\00:43:32.96
>> YEAH.
00:43:32.96\00:43:33.73
>> HOW WAS THIS PAID FOR?
00:43:33.73\00:43:35.23
>> WELL, WE JUST MOSTLY PAID
FOR IT OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET AND
00:43:35.23\00:43:38.50
SOME OF OUR FRIENDS.
00:43:38.50\00:43:39.60
I NEVER HAD MORE THAN $15,000
FOR ANY BUDGET THAT WE HELD.
00:43:39.60\00:43:41.76
AND THE LORD GAVE US--WHEN WE
BACK TO DNEPROPETROVSK, WE GOT
00:43:44.40\00:43:47.03
400 THERE AND THEN WE
GOT ANOTHER 200 THAT CAME OUT
00:43:47.03\00:43:51.23
EVENTUALLY.
00:43:51.23\00:43:52.53
WE WENT BACK AND GOT 1200
PLUS AND THEN OTHERS AND--
00:43:52.53\00:43:57.03
>> YEAH, THOUSANDS.
00:43:57.03\00:43:57.93
>> YEAH, WE WENT TO ODESSA, WE
HAD BASICALLY THE SAME TYPE OF
00:43:57.93\00:44:01.06
SITUATION, A TOTAL OF
2,000 THERE OVER THE 2 MEETINGS.
00:44:01.06\00:44:05.10
AND THEN, JOHN, WHEN THEY ADDED
'EM ALL UP, THEY SAID THAT THE
00:44:05.10\00:44:09.20
LORD HAD GIVEN US OVER 10,000
BAPTISMS JUST IN KIEV--JUST IN
00:44:09.20\00:44:14.33
THE UKRAINE.
00:44:14.33\00:44:15.66
WELL, WE LOVE THOSE
PEOPLE, WE LOVE THOSE PEOPLE.
00:44:15.66\00:44:18.50
>> BUT WE DO THIS FOR-- >>
BUT REMEMBER, THIS WAS GOD'S
00:44:18.50\00:44:20.43
DOING.
00:44:20.43\00:44:21.13
HE--I JUST THANKED
HIM, HE LET US SEE IT.
00:44:21.13\00:44:23.66
WE TAKE NO CREDIT
FOR IT WHATSOEVER.
00:44:23.66\00:44:25.40
>> WE CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR
THESE THINGS BECAUSE IT IS HIS
00:44:25.40\00:44:27.60
WORK.
00:44:27.60\00:44:28.26
BUT THERE WAS A MAN SENT FROM
GOD AND YOU WERE THAT MAN, JIM.
00:44:28.26\00:44:32.90
>> WELL, IT WAS GOD'S DOING AND
IT WAS JUST A THRILL THAT HE LET
00:44:32.90\00:44:36.76
US DO IT.
00:44:36.76\00:44:37.50
>> NOW LATER ON YOU
BECAME A CONFERENCE PRESIDENT.
00:44:37.50\00:44:40.96
>> YEAH, THEN THE
SOUL WINNING STOPPED.
00:44:40.96\00:44:45.60
I'M SORRY, NOT REALLY.
00:44:45.60\00:44:47.63
BUT YOU KNOW,
THE ADMINISTRATION--
00:44:47.63\00:44:49.13
>> YOU AND I
SHOULDN'T GET TOGETHER TOO MUCH.
00:44:49.13\00:44:52.20
>> I LOVED BEING A CONFERENCE
PRESIDENT BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE
00:44:52.20\00:44:55.60
TO WORK WITH ADMINISTERS AND
SUPPORT THOSE GUYS AND ENCOURAGE
00:44:55.60\00:44:59.33
THEM.
00:44:59.33\00:44:59.96
>> WHEN YOU BECAME A CONFERENCE
PRESIDENT, FOR HOW LONG DID YOU
00:44:59.96\00:45:03.23
STAY?
00:45:03.23\00:45:04.06
>> SEVEN YEARS.
00:45:04.06\00:45:05.06
>> NO, BUT WASN'T THERE A
LITTLE INTERLUDE OR SOMETHING?
00:45:05.06\00:45:08.13
>> OH, YOU KNOW, I WAS-- >>
SHOULD I NOT BE TALKING ABOUT
00:45:08.13\00:45:11.20
THIS?
00:45:11.20\00:45:11.93
I MEAN, IT'S IN YOUR
BOOK, IT'S IN ONE OF YOUR BOOKS.
00:45:11.93\00:45:14.16
>> IT'S IN THE
"KEEP ON KEEPING ON"--
00:45:14.16\00:45:15.53
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S THIS
ONE, "GOD WITH US," WHICH IS A
00:45:15.53\00:45:17.46
MARVELOUS BOOK.
00:45:17.46\00:45:18.40
AND THEN THERE'S "KEEP ON--"
>> GOD FOR US, "KEEP ON KEEPING
00:45:18.40\00:45:21.53
ON" TELLS THE REAL TRUE
STORY OF A LOT OF THINGS.
00:45:21.53\00:45:25.56
I THOUGHT THAT I WAS
GONNA RETIRE AFTER THAT,
00:45:25.56\00:45:28.33
THEN I DECIDED, "WHY RETIRE?
00:45:28.33\00:45:31.40
I'M GONNA
PREACHING ANYWAYS, SO WHY--"
00:45:31.40\00:45:33.50
>> RETIRE IS A NICE WORD.
00:45:33.50\00:45:34.63
>> IT'S--I DON'T
THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD WORD.
00:45:34.63\00:45:37.23
>> WELL, IT'S
BETTER THAN BEING SACKED.
00:45:37.23\00:45:40.26
>> I HAD SOMEBODY TELL
ME THE OTHER DAY, THEY SAID,
00:45:40.26\00:45:42.86
"YOU ARE NOT A VERY GOOD
CANDIDATE FOR RETIREMENT."
00:45:42.86\00:45:45.76
>> NO, YOU'RE NOT.
00:45:45.76\00:45:46.43
>> SO I THOUGHT IF I'M NOT
GONNA BE GOOD AT IT, WHY DO IT?
00:45:46.43\00:45:49.70
>> YOU KNOW WHAT
H.M.S RICHARDS SAID?
00:45:49.70\00:45:51.10
>> YEAH, HE SAID TWO THINGS
THAT ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE.
00:45:51.10\00:45:53.86
>> AND WHAT ARE THOSE TWO
THINGS THAT A MINISTER CAN'T DO.
00:45:53.86\00:45:55.96
>> RETIRE-- >> AND TELL LIES.
00:45:55.96\00:45:57.96
>> YEAH.
00:45:57.96\00:45:59.76
>> AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.
00:45:59.76\00:46:01.93
THERE'S NOTHING WORSE
THAN A MINISTER OR A PERSON WHO
00:46:01.93\00:46:05.46
PROFESSES THE NAME
OF JESUS WHO TELLS LIES.
00:46:05.46\00:46:09.36
>> YOU KNOW, I
HEARD-- >> THEY'RE TWO-FACED.
00:46:09.36\00:46:10.90
>> I HEARD RICHARDS ONE TIME
SAY, "THERE ARE TWO THINGS NOT
00:46:10.90\00:46:13.66
IN THE BIBLE.
00:46:13.66\00:46:14.43
ONE'S RETIREMENT, THE
OTHER'S SUNDAY-KEEPING."
00:46:14.43\00:46:17.00
HE SAID, "YOU CAN'T PROVE
EITHER ONE FROM THE BIBLE."
00:46:17.00\00:46:19.86
>> YEAH, AND HE'S RIGHT.
00:46:19.86\00:46:20.63
>> YEAH.
00:46:20.63\00:46:21.50
>> SO YOU WERE A
CONFERENCE PRESIDENT.
00:46:21.50\00:46:22.73
>> YES.
00:46:22.73\00:46:24.40
>> AND THEN YOU GOT TIED UP WITH
THE NORTH AMERICAN DIVISION,
00:46:24.40\00:46:28.06
WHICH BASICALLY FUNDS
THE REST OF THE WORLD.
00:46:28.06\00:46:31.76
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CALL
TO GO TO ADVENTIST WORLD RADIO
00:46:31.76\00:46:35.53
AS VICE PRESIDENT AND THEY
SAID, "YOU WILL BE THE NEXT
00:46:35.53\00:46:39.63
PRESIDENT."
00:46:39.63\00:46:40.80
AND SO I TURNED IT DOWN.
00:46:40.80\00:46:43.53
THEY CALLED AGAIN
AND I TURNED IT DOWN.
00:46:43.53\00:46:46.20
THEN THE--OUR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR
CAUGHT HIS HOUSE ON FIRE AND IT
00:46:46.20\00:46:50.53
BURNED OUR HOUSE AND THE ONE ON
THE OTHER SIDE, BURNED ALL THREE
00:46:50.53\00:46:53.56
OF US DOWN.
00:46:53.56\00:46:54.20
>> AND THAT'S HOW
YOU LOST YOUR BOOTS.
00:46:54.20\00:46:55.50
>> YEAH, IT'S
EXACTLY--SO AFTER THAT--
00:46:55.50\00:46:58.60
>> THAT'S WORSE
THAN A RECESSION.
00:46:58.60\00:46:59.63
>> DON SCHNEIDER
CALLED AND ASKED ME TO COME
00:46:59.63\00:47:02.06
AS VICE PRESIDENT.
00:47:02.06\00:47:04.20
I SAID, "DON, I'M A CHEAP MOVE
RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE
00:47:04.20\00:47:07.20
ANYTHING TO MOVE
EXCEPT A FEW CLOTHES."
00:47:07.20\00:47:10.70
AND SO I SAID, "YOU
KNOW, I'M AFRAID TO SAY NO.
00:47:10.70\00:47:14.96
I'VE SAID NO TWICE TO A CALL TO
WASHINGTON AND I THINK THAT I'D
00:47:14.96\00:47:20.23
BETTER SAY YES."
00:47:20.23\00:47:21.83
WORKING WITH DON
SCHNEIDER WAS A REAL PRIVILEGE.
00:47:21.83\00:47:26.33
THIS IS A MAN OF GOD.
00:47:26.33\00:47:28.06
HE IS FORWARD THINKING,
HE IS A TRUE, LOYAL FRIEND.
00:47:28.06\00:47:33.03
AND I WILL TELL YOU--
>> IN OTHER WORDS, HE'S A
00:47:33.03\00:47:34.66
CHRISTIAN.
00:47:34.66\00:47:35.36
>> HE IS EVERY BIT OF CHRISTIAN.
00:47:35.36\00:47:37.13
>> AND HE'S GENUINE.
00:47:37.13\00:47:38.03
>> HE--YOU KNOW, WE USED TO CALL
HIM THE KING OF CARE BECAUSE
00:47:38.03\00:47:42.26
PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA THE WAY THAT
DON WAS--SOMETIMES, HE WOULD
00:47:42.26\00:47:46.80
HAVE A SABBATH WHEN WE'D SAY,
"WOW, THIS GREAT, DON'S GONNA
00:47:46.80\00:47:50.16
GET TO REST."
00:47:50.16\00:47:51.36
AND THEN WE'D FIND OUT HE'D
GET IN HIS CAR, DRIVE SEVERAL
00:47:51.36\00:47:54.13
HUNDRED MILES TO ENCOURAGE SOME
POOR, DOWN AND OUT PREACHER THAT
00:47:54.13\00:47:59.13
WAS MAYBE SICK OR SOMEBODY
HE HAD HEARD ABOUT, AND GO OUT
00:47:59.13\00:48:03.10
THERE AND JUST LOVE 'EM AND PRAY
WITH 'EM AND WEAR HIMSELF OUT IN
00:48:03.10\00:48:08.96
THE PROCESS.
00:48:08.96\00:48:10.00
BUT HE GAVE OF HIMSELF, HE AND
MARTI ARE--THEY LOVE THE LORD,
00:48:10.00\00:48:14.70
THEY REALLY DO.
00:48:14.70\00:48:15.73
AND BY THE WAY, THE SAME KIND
OF THING WITH THE NEW PRESIDENT,
00:48:15.73\00:48:19.80
DAN JACKSON AND HIS WIFE, THESE
ARE COMMITTED CHRISTIAN PEOPLE.
00:48:19.80\00:48:24.36
OH, FANTASTIC PEOPLE.
00:48:24.36\00:48:26.46
I KNEW DAN WHEN HE WAS--WE WERE
CONFERENCE PRESIDENTS TOGETHER
00:48:26.46\00:48:29.86
AND THEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT
OF THE CHURCH IN CANADA WHICH IS
00:48:29.86\00:48:33.60
THE CANADIAN UNION.
00:48:33.60\00:48:34.73
>> IS HE A CANADIAN?
00:48:34.73\00:48:35.66
>> YES, HE IS.
00:48:35.66\00:48:36.90
AND-- >> PART OF THE BRITISH
00:48:36.90\00:48:38.46
COMMONWEALTH, REMIND YOU, JIM.
00:48:38.46\00:48:40.33
>> YEAH, BUT HE AND
DON SCHNEIDER HAVE MANY
00:48:40.33\00:48:44.30
SIMILARITIES AND BEING FRIENDLY
PEOPLE, ENJOY HUMOR, BUT READY
00:48:44.30\00:48:51.76
TO TACKLE THINGS
AND BRING SOLUTIONS.
00:48:51.76\00:48:55.43
AND I--WE HAVE
GREAT HOPE FOR JACKSON.
00:48:55.43\00:48:57.60
AND BY THE WAY, DON
IS STILL MINISTERING.
00:48:57.60\00:48:59.63
HE'S PASTORING RIGHT NOW IN
DENVER, COLORADO, DENVER SOUTH.
00:48:59.63\00:49:04.86
>> GOD BLESS HIM.
00:49:04.86\00:49:05.53
>> OH, YEAH.
00:49:05.53\00:49:07.26
>> THEN YOU BECAME MORE
RECENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF 3ABN.
00:49:07.26\00:49:10.50
>> MM-HMM.
00:49:10.50\00:49:11.33
>> THIS IS A
RATHER DIFFICULT QUESTION.
00:49:11.33\00:49:14.70
NOT FOR ME TO ASK.
00:49:14.70\00:49:18.33
WHY DOES 3ABN GET SO MUCH
OPPOSITION FROM PEOPLE WHO OUGHT
00:49:18.33\00:49:23.06
TO BE SUPPORTING?
00:49:23.06\00:49:24.86
>> WELL, LET ME
ASK YOU SOMETHING.
00:49:24.86\00:49:26.30
IF YOU WERE THE DEVIL.
00:49:26.30\00:49:27.56
>> MM-HMM.
00:49:27.56\00:49:28.60
>> AND THAT'S NOT HARD TO
IMAGINE--I'M JUST TEASING, JOHN.
00:49:28.60\00:49:34.33
I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE,
"I CAN IMAGINE MYSELF--"
00:49:34.33\00:49:37.20
>> IT'S A BLESSING.
00:49:37.20\00:49:38.10
>> IF I WERE THE DEVIL--LET'S
PUT IT THIS WAY, IF I WERE THE
00:49:38.10\00:49:40.90
DEVIL, I WOULD NOT BE ATTACKING
PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T DOING
00:49:40.90\00:49:44.20
ANYTHING.
00:49:44.20\00:49:44.93
I WOULD ATTACK A MINISTRY THAT
WAS EFFECTIVE, I REALLY WOULD.
00:49:44.93\00:49:50.53
AND 3ABN IS SO EFFECTIVE.
00:49:50.53\00:49:53.10
I WAS JUST, A FEW WEEKS AGO,
WITH PASTOR MARVIN WRAY UP IN
00:49:53.10\00:49:58.40
NAPA, CALIFORNIA.
00:49:58.40\00:49:59.36
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
DOING A MOTORCYCLE TRIP.
00:49:59.36\00:50:01.40
IN FACT, I BOUGHT HIS BOOK, IT
TELLS ABOUT THAT, IT'S A GREAT
00:50:01.40\00:50:03.63
BOOK.
00:50:03.63\00:50:04.66
AND I-- >> HE'S
TAKING--GONNA RIDE A
00:50:04.66\00:50:07.83
MOTORBIKE?
00:50:07.83\00:50:08.60
>> HE RODE IT ALL AROUND
THE UNITED STATES, 12,000 MILES
00:50:08.60\00:50:11.30
OR SO, AND WOULD
STOP AND VISIT A LOT--
00:50:11.30\00:50:13.90
>> HOW OLD IS HE?
00:50:13.90\00:50:14.66
>> A LOT OF CHURCHES.
00:50:14.66\00:50:15.56
WELL, I DON'T KNOW,
HE'S-- >> OLD ENOUGH.
00:50:15.56\00:50:17.90
>> YOUNGER THAN YOU AND I,
BUT HE'S OLDER THAN MOST PEOPLE.
00:50:17.90\00:50:20.16
>> HE'S OLD
ENOUGH TO GET A LICENSE.
00:50:20.16\00:50:21.56
>> HE'S OLD
ENOUGH TO HAVE A LICENSE.
00:50:21.56\00:50:22.93
AND SO HE--WHEN HE GOT TO
LAS VEGAS AND HE WENT TO THE
00:50:22.93\00:50:27.70
MOUNTAIN VIEW CHURCH, HE TOLD
ME, HE SAID, "I WAS AMAZED THAT
00:50:27.70\00:50:32.90
THE PASTOR TOLD ME THAT HIS
BIGGEST NUMBER OF BAPTISMS COME
00:50:32.90\00:50:36.43
FROM 3ABN."
00:50:36.43\00:50:38.46
AND HE SAID, "THE MOUNTAIN VIEW
CHURCH IS THOUGHT OF AS SORT OF
00:50:38.46\00:50:42.90
A LIBERAL CHURCH."
00:50:42.90\00:50:43.80
>> THIS IS LAS VEGAS?
00:50:43.80\00:50:44.76
>> YEAH.
00:50:44.76\00:50:45.50
>> WE BAPTIZED A PERSON
IN THIS CHURCH FROM LAS VEGAS
00:50:45.50\00:50:47.76
BECAUSE OF 3ABN.
00:50:47.76\00:50:48.86
>> ABSOLUTELY.
00:50:48.86\00:50:49.63
AND PARADISE
CHURCH DOES THE SAME.
00:50:49.63\00:50:51.86
IN FACT, OVER 300 PEOPLE IN THE
LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE WALKED
00:50:51.86\00:50:57.36
INTO CHURCHES IN THE LAS VEGAS
AREA, THERE ARE 13 CHURCHES IN
00:50:57.36\00:51:01.43
THE GREATER AREA.
00:51:01.43\00:51:02.30
>> YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.
00:51:02.30\00:51:03.20
>> AND BEEN BAPTIZED DIRECTLY
AS A RESULT OF WATCHING THE TV
00:51:03.20\00:51:08.53
CHANNEL THAT WE
HAVE THERE IN LAS VEGAS.
00:51:08.53\00:51:12.10
AND IT'S AMAZING THE
IMPACT THAT 3ABN HAS.
00:51:12.10\00:51:17.63
AND SO IF I WERE THE DEVIL,
I'D BE ATTACKING THIS, I'D DO MY
00:51:17.63\00:51:21.03
BEST TO TRY TO GET THIS.
00:51:21.03\00:51:22.73
I WOULD USE GOOD PEOPLE TO
ATTACK THEM, I WOULD USE BAD
00:51:22.73\00:51:24.16
PEOPLE TO ATTACK THEM, I WOULD
00:51:24.16\00:51:26.23
USE ANYTHING THAT I
COULD IF I WERE THE DEVIL.
00:51:27.76\00:51:30.43
>> BUT THOSE PEOPLE OUGHT TO
REALIZE THIS, IT'S A DANGEROUS
00:51:30.43\00:51:34.33
THING TO ATTACK THE WORK OF GOD.
00:51:34.33\00:51:36.16
>> YES, IT IS.
00:51:36.16\00:51:37.43
>> AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE
MOTIVES BEHIND THESE ATTACKS,
00:51:37.43\00:51:40.43
I SEEM TO THINK, ARE
LESS THAN RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY.
00:51:40.43\00:51:45.90
3ABN HAS BEEN USED BY GOD,
BLESSED BY GOD, IT CONTINUES TO
00:51:45.90\00:51:50.26
BE SO.
00:51:50.26\00:51:51.70
MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE
JEALOUSY SOMEWHERE THERE.
00:51:51.70\00:51:54.10
>> YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE RECEIVE
ANY KIND OF ATTACK, WE SEARCH
00:51:54.10\00:51:58.50
OUR HEARTS.
00:51:58.50\00:51:59.23
>> YES.
00:51:59.23\00:52:00.33
>> AND WE SAY, "LORD, IS THERE
ANYTHING HERE THAT WE NEED TO
00:52:00.33\00:52:04.80
LEARN FROM THIS?"
00:52:04.80\00:52:06.63
WE GO TO OUR KNEES AND WE PRAY
AND WE PRAY OUR WAY THROUGH THE
00:52:06.63\00:52:11.40
ATTACKS AND WE SAY, "LORD,
YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE'RE NOT
00:52:11.40\00:52:15.20
PERFECT."
00:52:15.20\00:52:15.90
IN FACT, THE PROPHET TELLS
US THAT THIS WORK IS GONNA BE
00:52:15.90\00:52:19.86
FINISHED BY WEAK, ERRING PEOPLE.
00:52:19.86\00:52:22.76
>> YEAH, WELL,
HE'S GOT A COUPLE HERE.
00:52:22.76\00:52:24.33
>> I'M QUALIFIED.
00:52:24.33\00:52:25.33
>> YEAH, I'M QUALIFIED TOO.
00:52:25.33\00:52:26.53
>> IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA
TAKE, I'M DEFINITELY QUALIFIED.
00:52:26.53\00:52:29.53
>> I WANT TO SAY TO YOU, FRIEND,
WATCHING, DON'T NEED TO BE
00:52:29.53\00:52:31.76
DISCOURAGED.
00:52:31.76\00:52:32.76
THE LORD IS GOING TO
USE PEOPLE LIKE JIM AND ME.
00:52:32.76\00:52:35.66
AND IF HE CAN USE US, I THINK
HE CAN JUST ABOUT USE ANYBODY.
00:52:35.66\00:52:38.20
>> WELL, I BELIEVE THAT.
00:52:39.86\00:52:41.03
AND WE NEVER TAKE
ANYTHING FOR GRANTED.
00:52:41.03\00:52:43.56
WE KNOW THAT HE CAN
REPLACE US JUST LIKE THAT.
00:52:43.56\00:52:47.26
>> WHAT ARE SOME OF
THE BIG PROJECTS OF 3ABN?
00:52:47.26\00:52:49.23
>> OH, MAN, THE MOST EXCITING
THING THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON
00:52:49.23\00:52:52.60
RIGHT NOW IS WE'VE GOT A NEW
CHANNEL CALLED, "DARE TO DREAM."
00:52:52.60\00:52:56.53
THIS IS FOR THE URBAN
PEOPLE AND FOR MINORITIES.
00:52:56.53\00:53:02.16
AND DR. YVONNE LEWIS IS
THE ONE WHO'S HEADING THAT UP.
00:53:02.16\00:53:07.90
LATINO IS GROWING LEAPS
AND BOUNDS, 3ABN LATINO.
00:53:07.90\00:53:12.16
WE JUST SIGNED UP
LAST--RECENTLY, IT WAS MORE THAN
00:53:12.16\00:53:16.13
A WEEK AGO NOW, BUT-- >>
AND THESE WERE WARM PEOPLE.
00:53:16.13\00:53:19.43
>> YES, THEY ARE.
00:53:19.43\00:53:20.43
WE SIGNED UP, ON ONE DAY,
SEVENTY-SEVEN NEW CABLE OUTLETS.
00:53:20.43\00:53:26.46
>> SEVENTY-SEVEN.
00:53:26.46\00:53:27.20
>> ONE DAY.
00:53:27.20\00:53:28.33
AND THEY JUST KEEP
COMING IN FOR LATINO.
00:53:28.33\00:53:32.46
WE HAVE 3ABN PROCLAIM.
00:53:32.46\00:53:35.73
AND THIS IS PREACHING, NOTHING
BUT PREACHING, 24/7, ONE SERMON
00:53:35.73\00:53:40.70
AFTER ANOTHER.
00:53:40.70\00:53:42.10
IF SOMEONE WANTS PREACHING,
THEY CAN GET IT THERE.
00:53:42.10\00:53:45.46
WE HAVE 3ABN RUSSIAN.
00:53:45.46\00:53:46.86
NOW ALL OF THESE ARE
AVAILABLE IN THE INTERNET.
00:53:46.86\00:53:48.66
>> YEAH, I KNOW A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
00:53:48.66\00:53:50.30
>> YEAH, 3ABN RUSSIAN, AND
YOU KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THAT.
00:53:50.30\00:53:53.90
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR REGULAR
3ABN, WHICH IS ON 1200 DIFFERENT
00:53:53.90\00:54:00.93
CABLE OUTLETS.
00:54:00.93\00:54:01.96
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE,
IT'S ON DISH NETWORK AND--
00:54:01.96\00:54:07.13
>> THIS IS WHY THE
DEVIL'S POPPING MAD.
00:54:07.13\00:54:09.23
>> YEAH, AND IT IS TRUE.
00:54:09.23\00:54:10.53
>> AND HE SEEMS TO
HAVE A LOT OF ASSISTANCE.
00:54:10.53\00:54:13.20
>> YEAH.
00:54:13.20\00:54:14.76
WELL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST
HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THAT
00:54:14.76\00:54:20.26
GOD'S WORK'S GONNA BE ATTACKED.
00:54:20.26\00:54:22.06
THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST IS UNDER ATTACK, PERIOD.
00:54:22.06\00:54:25.13
>> HE SAID, "I WILL
BUILD MY CHURCH ON THIS ROCK.
00:54:25.13\00:54:28.73
THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT
PREVAIL AGAINST THIS CHURCH."
00:54:28.73\00:54:32.86
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
00:54:32.86\00:54:33.83
>> SOME PEOPLE OF COURSE HAVE
A VERY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING AT
00:54:33.83\00:54:36.56
WHAT CONSTITUTES THE CHURCH.
00:54:36.56\00:54:38.06
>> YES.
00:54:38.06\00:54:39.13
>> BUT THE CHURCH IS MADE UP
OF THE FAITHFUL IN CHRIST JESUS.
00:54:39.13\00:54:42.63
TELL ME THIS, JIM.
00:54:42.63\00:54:43.80
THIS IS IMPORTANT, ALL RIGHT.
00:54:43.80\00:54:44.76
I WANT YOU TO TELL ME.
00:54:44.76\00:54:47.33
HOW IS 3ABN DOING FINANCIALLY?
00:54:47.33\00:54:50.10
BECAUSE TIMES ARE TOUGH.
00:54:50.10\00:54:51.60
DOES 3ABN NEED
SOME HELP AT THIS TIME?
00:54:51.60\00:54:54.10
>> WE ALWAYS NEED HELP.
00:54:54.10\00:54:55.33
THERE ARE ALWAYS MORE
PROJECTS--BY THE WAY, WE KEEP
00:54:55.33\00:54:59.96
SPENDING MORE AND MORE MONEY.
00:54:59.96\00:55:01.83
AND I HAD A MAN THE OTHER DAY
WHO WROTE ME A LETTER, I WISH
00:55:01.83\00:55:05.56
HE'D SIGNED 'CAUSE I'D LOVE TO
CALL HIM AND THANKED HIM FOR THE
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LETTER.
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HE HAD A LOT OF GOOD
SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS IN IT.
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>> EXCEPT HE
COULDN'T SIGN HIS OWN NAME.
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>> EXCEPT HE COULDN'T
SIGN IT, HE COULDN'T SIGN IT.
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AND I WISH HE HAD.
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BUT HE MADE A STATEMENT IN
THERE THAT IS SO TRUE, HE SAID,
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"I BELIEVE--" HE WAS GIVING
ME A HARD TIME FOR TALKING ABOUT
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MONEY.
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HE SAID, "I BELIEVE THAT IF
SOMEBODY GAVE 3ABN A BILLION
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DOLLARS THAT YOU'D BE ASKING
FOR MONEY AGAIN VERY SOON."
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>> THAT'S CORRECT.
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>> AND I SAID, "HE'S RIGHT.
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WE WOULD SPEND IT TO
PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL."
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JOHN, WE DO NOT WANT $1 IN
THE BANK WHEN CHRIST COMES.
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>> YOU ARE CORRECT.
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>> IF WE WERE HOARDING MONEY AND
NOT PREACHING THIS MESSAGE, THEN
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WE ARE NOT TRUE TO WHAT GOD HAS
ASKED US TO DO IN PROCLAIMING
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THE GOSPEL.
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I DON'T WANT TO BE
FOUND WITH $2 OR $3 MILLION.
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NOW LOOK, WE HAVE TWO
BANK ACCOUNTS, OUR TRUST IS
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DIFFERENT.
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THE TRUST DEPARTMENT,
THAT'S NOT OUR MONEY.
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THAT'S FOR THE BANK OF
CALIFORNIA, THAT'S INVESTED WITH
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PROFESSIONALS, THAT IS
GUARDED LIKE FORT KNOX.
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OUR MONEY IS THE MONEY THAT
PEOPLE SEND IN AND THAT'S THE
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ONLY THING WE HAVE, WE
HAVE NO CHURCH OR DENOMINATIONAL
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AFFILIATION OR
ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
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NOBODY'S BACK THERE
WITH A BIG CHECKBOOK.
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>> NOW JIM, I WANT TO
GIVE A MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE.
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>> ALL RIGHT.
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>> 'CAUSE YOU AND I HAVE GOT
ONE GIFT, THE GIFT OF TALKING.
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>> YEAH.
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>> WE BELIEVE IN
THE MINISTRY OF 3ABN.
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GOD RAISED UP THIS MINISTRY,
STAND BY THEM IN THIS TREMENDOUS
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HOUR.
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AND MY DEAR BROTHER, JIM.
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>> YOU'RE VERY KIND, JOHN.
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>> NO, NO, NO, IT'S MY JOY.
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IT'S BEEN A
PRIVILEGE TO KNOW YOU SO LONG.
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>> WELL, IT'S OUR PRIVILEGE.
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>> YOU'RE A DEAR FRIEND.
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>> OUR PRIVILEGE.
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>> GOD BLESS YOU, JIM.
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AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
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GOD BLESS YOU.
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