[MUSIC] >> FROM
ARCADIA, CALIFORNIA,
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THE CARTER REPORT
PRESENTS "THE LIVING WORD AROUND
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THE WORLD."
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>> HELLO, FRIEND.
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I'M JOHN CARTER.
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A WARM WELCOME TO YOU.
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I HAVE A SPECIAL PROGRAM
FOR YOU TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE MY
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OLD FRIEND, ALAN
REINACH, AN ATTORNEY.
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ALAN IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF THE CHURCH STATE COUNCIL
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HERE IN BEAUTIFUL CALIFORNIA.
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AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE
TALKING ABOUT A MUSLIM MOSQUE
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IN THE GREAT CITY OF
NEW YORK NEAR GROUND ZERO.
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AND ALSO WE'RE GOING TO BE
TALKING ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE.
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STAY WITH US.
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>> HELLO,
FRIEND, I'M JOHN CARTER,
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STANDING ON THE
BANKS OF THE KAZAN RIVER.
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THAT'S A TRIBUTARY OF
THE MIGHTY VOLGA RIVER
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IN THE LAND OF RUSSIA.
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THIS IS THE CITY OF KAZAN,
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THE CAPITAL OF
TATARSTAN, A MUSLIM REPUBLIC OF
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THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION.
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WE ARE HERE BY THE SHEER GRACE
OF GOD AND WE SAY GLORY BE TO
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GOD FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY
BECAUSE DURING THE YEAR 2008,
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THE CARTER REPORT TEAM,
ONCE AGAIN BY THE GRACE OF GOD,
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BAPTIZED HUNDREDS OF
MUSLIMS INTO CHRIST IN FRONT
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OF THE MUSLIM MOSQUE.
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PEOPLE SAID IT COULD
NEVER HAPPEN, BUT REMEMBER THIS.
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GOD IS GREAT.
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AND JESUS SAID, "WITH
GOD, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."
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I WANT TO THANK YOU TODAY FOR
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YOUR MARVELOUS SUPPORT,
FOR STANDING WITH US IN THE
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PREACHING OF THE
EVERLASTING GOSPEL.
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PLEASE CONTINUE TO PRAY
FOR US AND PRAY FOR KAZAN.
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WRITE TO ME, PLEASE.
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JOHN CARTER
POST OFFICE BOX 1900,
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THOUSAND OAKS,
CALIFORNIA, 91358.
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WE'RE NOT GIVING UP ON RUSSIA.
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NEITHER SHOULD YOU.
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PLEASE WRITE TO ME.
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JOHN CARTER
POST OFFICE BOX 1900,
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THOUSAND OAKS,
CALIFORNIA, 91358.
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THAT'S: JOHN CARTER
POST OFFICE BOX 1900,
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THOUSAND OAKS,
CALIFORNIA, 91358.
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SUPPORT US IN THIS GREAT WORK.
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PRAY FOR RUSSIA AND THANK YOU.
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IN JESUS' NAME, MAY
GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU.
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>> ALAN, I'M DELIGHTED TO SEE
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YOU AGAIN.
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>> PASTOR CARTER, IT'S
A DELIGHT TO BE WITH YOU.
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>> YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD.
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>> THANK YOU.
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>> HOW ARE
THINGS GOING WITH YOU?
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>> WELL, WE'RE VERY, VERY BUSY.
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A LOT OF RELIGIOUS
LIBERTY ISSUES TO DEAL WITH.
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>> HERE IN THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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>> INDEED.
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MANY PEOPLE LOSING THEIR JOBS
FOR NO OTHER CRIME THAN WANTING
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TO OBEY GOD.
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>> WE'RE GONNA
TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY.
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TELL ME, WHAT ARE YOUR
VIEWS ABOUT THE BUILDING OF THIS
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MOSQUE IN THE
GREAT CITY OF NEW YORK?
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>> THERE'S SO MUCH
MISINFORMATION COMING OUT
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OF THIS THING, JOHN.
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YOU KNOW, IF THIS
WERE A METHODIST CHURCH,
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NOBODY WOULD CARE ONE WHIT.
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AND NOBODY CARED ABOUT IT UNTIL
SOME POLITICIANS DECIDED THIS
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WAS A GREAT WAY TO GET PEOPLE
STIRRED UP AND STOKE THE FIRES
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OF INTOLERANCE.
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>> YEAH, THEY'VE CERTAINLY
GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE STIRRED UP.
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>> YOU KNOW, I PUT THIS
STORY TOGETHER WITH WHAT WE SAW
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IN FLORIDA LEADING UP TO 9/11
WITH THE PASTOR THERE WHO WAS
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ANNOUNCING HIS
INTENTION TO BURN THE KORAN,
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GATHER KORANS TO BURN.
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>> WHY IS THAT SO BAD?
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>> HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF
OVER IN SAUDI ARABIA, THEY SAID,
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"WE'RE GONNA GATHER UP
BIBLES AND BURN BIBLES"?
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>> NOW DO THEY DO
THAT IN SAUDI ARABIA?
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>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
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>> BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD CHURCHES
IN SAUDI ARABIA, CAN YOU?
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>> OH, NO, THERE IS NO
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM THERE.
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LET'S BE CLEAR.
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BUT MY--YOU ASKED ME WHY
IS IT SO BAD TO BURN KORANS.
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WELL, LET'S ASSUME THAT
AS A CHRISTIAN MINISTER,
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YOU FEEL THAT IT'S YOUR
OBLIGATION TO PREACH THE GOSPEL
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TO EVERY NATION, KINDRED,
TONGUE, AND PEOPLE AND TO SHOW
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THE LOVE OF CHRIST,
THAT CHRIST DIED TO SAVE
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EVERYONE.
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WELL, ARE YOU GONNA WIN ANYBODY
TO CHRIST BY BURNING THEIR HOLY
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BOOK?
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>> NO, IT GOES ENTIRELY AGAINST
THE TEACHINGS OF OUR LORD JESUS
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CHRIST.
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>> IT DOES.
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THE GOLDEN RULE SAYS WE DO
TO OTHERS THE WAY WE WOULD WANT
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TO BE TREATED.
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>> BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS
PASTOR IS STIRRED UP, ISN'T HE?
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>> AND HE'S GOT A
LOT OF PEOPLE STIRRED UP.
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>> YES, HE HAS.
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>> AND, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY
SHOWS THE DARK SIDE OF AMERICAN
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CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE IT BRINGS
OUT THE WORST KIND OF US AND
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THEM, YOU'RE THE ENEMY,
HATRED, INTOLERANCE, BIGOTRY.
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AND THE THING THAT TROUBLES ME,
JOHN, IS THE INABILITY OF TOO
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MANY AMERICANS TO DISTINGUISH
BETWEEN GENUINELY DANGEROUS
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AND VIOLENT ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS
THAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE EVERY
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RIGHT AND NEED TO
DEAL WITH ON THE ONE HAND,
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AND THE REST OF MUSLIMS
WHO ARE JUST ORDINARY PEOPLE
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LIKE WE ARE.
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>> YEAH, YEAH.
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I HAD AN AMAZING
EXPERIENCE SOME YEARS AGO.
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NOW I AGREE WITH YOU.
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THERE ARE EXTREMISTS AND THESE
PEOPLE ARE--WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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MUSLIMS, BUT, YOU KNOW,
THERE ARE EXTREMISTS AMONG THE
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CHRISTIANS TOO, LIKE THIS PASTOR
WANTING TO BURN KORANS AND ALL
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OF THE REST OF THAT.
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BUT I HAD A BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE
SOME YEARS AGO IN THE GREAT LAND
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OF JORDAN.
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I WAS PREACHING IN THE
CHURCH IN AMMAN, ON THE SABBATH.
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AND THE PASTOR TOLD
ME THIS AMAZING STORY.
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BECAUSE HE WAS A CHRISTIAN,
HIS HOME WAS BOMBED BY SOME
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MUSLIM EXTREMISTS.
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HIS WIFE DIED.
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>> OH, NO.
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>> MM-HMM.
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HIS DAUGHTER WAS DISFIGURED
AND HE WAS JUST ABOUT KILLED
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HIMSELF.
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AND WHEN HE CAME-TO,
ALAN, HE WAS IN A HOSPITAL.
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AND THE FIRST PERSON HE SAW,
THIS WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO,
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WAS KING HUSSEIN.
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HE'S A MUSLIM.
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AND THE KING OF JORDAN WAS
STANDING THERE AND WHEN THE
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CHRISTIAN PASTOR CAME
TO, KING HUSSEIN SAID TO HIM,
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"IN THE NAME OF GOD,
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH,
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I WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW SORRY
I AM. THIS DOES NOT REPRESENT
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WHAT I BELIEVE."
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AND HE SAID, "I CAN'T BRING BACK
YOUR WIFE, BUT I'M GOING TO DO
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EVERYTHING I CAN DO.
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I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A
NEW HOUSE. I'M GOING TO PAY FOR
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YOUR MEDICAL EXPENSES.
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I'M GOING TO TAKE
CARE OF YOUR DAUGHTER."
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SO I SAY THIS TO AMPLIFY
THE TRUTH THAT YOU'VE SAID.
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NOT ALL THE
MUSLIMS ARE BAD PEOPLE.
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BUT HERE IN AMERICA, AS
YOU SAID, SOME PEOPLE SEEM
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TO THINK LIKE THAT PASTOR,
THAT ANY PERSON WHO'S NOT
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A CHRISTIAN
NEEDS TO BE PERSECUTED.
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>> PERSECUTION IS NOT A
REFLECTION OF THE CHARACTER
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OF GOD.
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LET'S BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
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ALL RELIGIONS PRETTY MUCH
HAVE DEGENERATED TO PERSECUTION
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AT SOME TIME OR ANOTHER.
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>> YES, THEY HAVE.
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>> I'M A PROTESTANT.
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PROTESTANTS HAVE
OUR OWN DARK HISTORY.
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CATHOLICISM, ISLAM DOES.
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>> CATHOLICISM, THE INQUISITION.
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>> SURE.
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>> GOODNESS ME,
MILLIONS TORTURED TO DEATH.
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>> BUT YOU KNOW, AS I READ
THE BIBLE, JOHN, I SEE THAT THIS
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CONFLICT BETWEEN EAST AND WEST,
BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY
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IS PROPHESIED IN SCRIPTURE AND
IT'S THE FINAL CONFLICT BEFORE
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THE COMING OF CHRIST.
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IT'S BACK TO THE CRUSADES.
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IT'S A RENEWAL OF
THIS ANCIENT CONFLICT.
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>> LET'S GET BACK TO
THIS MOSQUE AGAIN BECAUSE THIS
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IS A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.
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IT CERTAINLY
HAS DIVIDED AMERICA.
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>> IT HAS.
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>> WHY DO YOU, A PERSON WHO IS
A CHRISTIAN, A SABBATH-KEEPING
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CHRISTIAN, SO THAT--SOME
WOULD SAY THAT IS JEWISH.
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WE DON'T BELIEVE IT IS JEWISH IN
THE SENSE THAT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
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GAVE US THE SABBATH.
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BUT HERE YOU ARE, ALAN REINACH.
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YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY.
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YOU HAVE A JEWISH BACKGROUND
AND YOU CAME FROM NEW YORK.
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>> FROM AN OLD
WALL STREET FAMILY.
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>> YOU OWN HALF
OF--A WALL STREET FAMILY.
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WE WON'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
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>> I'M THE FIRST BLACK
SHEEP TO LEAVE WALL STREET.
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>> NO, YOU WERE THE FIRST WHITE
SHEEP TO LEAVE WALL STREET.
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SO ALAN REINACH,
A JEWISH ATTORNEY,
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WHO'S NOW A CHRISTIAN,
WHO WAS A SABBATH-KEEPER,
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BELIEVES IT'S OKAY FOR THE
MUSLIMS TO BUILD THIS MOSQUE
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NEAR GROUND ZERO.
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>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
IT ISN'T REALLY A MOSQUE.
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IT'S A CULTURAL CENTER.
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>> BUT THEY'RE GOING TO
HAVE A WORSHIP CENTER IN THERE.
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>> YES, THEY WILL.
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BUT WE'RE SO IGNORANT.
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FIRST OF ALL, AMERICANS
ARE SO IGNORANT ABOUT ISLAM,
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WE DON'T EVEN KNOW
WHAT THIS IMAM--HE'S A SUFI.
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SUFI, THEY'RE THE MYSTICS
AND THEY'VE BEEN PERSECUTED BY
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THE SHIITES AND THE SUNNIS
ALIKE. SO TO ASSOCIATE HIM WITH,
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YOU KNOW, HAMAS AND HEZBOLLAH
AND THE TERRORISTS IS JUST--AND
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AL QAEDA IS JUST ABSURD.
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>> AND I WANT TO MAKE IT PLAIN
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FOR THE SAKE OF THE AUDIENCE.
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YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY
DEAD OPPOSED TO EXTREMISTS.
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>> OH, THERE'S NO QUESTION.
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>> MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS,
CATHOLICS, PROTESTANTS.
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>> ABSOLUTELY. VIOLENCE
IN THE NAME OF RELIGION IS--
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>> AND YOU'RE
UTTERLY OPPOSED TO TORTURE.
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I'VE HEARD YOU ON THIS BEFORE.
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>> YES, WE HAVE
TALKED ABOUT TORTURE.
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TORTURE'S WRONG.
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>> AND TORTURE IS EVIL.
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>> IT IS.
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AND CHRISTIAN LEADERS
OUGHT TO BE SPEAKING OUT MORE.
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SOME CHRISTIAN LEADERS
HAVE SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF TORTURE.
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>> YEAH, THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
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>> IT IS. YOU KNOW,
WHO WOULD JESUS TORTURE?
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>> IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
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YOU KNOW WHY SOME
CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN TORTURE?
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>> I THINK THE REASON SOME
CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN TORTURE
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IS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE
JESUS ONLY DIED FOR THEM.
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>> OH, BUT THERE'S
ANOTHER REASON, ALAN.
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>> OKAY, TELL ME.
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>> THEY THINK
GOD IS THE TORTURER.
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>> WELL, THAT'S TRUE.
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>> THEY THINK GOD IS THE
TORTURER-IN-CHIEF BECAUSE OF THE
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DOCTRINE OF THE IMMORTALITY
OF THE SOUL AND THE ETERNAL
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DAMNATION OF THE WICKED.
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THEY SAY THAT GOD IS
GOING TO BURN PEOPLE.
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NOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CALL
ME UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY,
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"BUT THAT'S
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS."
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NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT
THE BIBLE SAYS AT ALL.
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IT'S WHAT YOU THINK THE
BIBLE SAYS, MY BELOVED FRIEND.
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>> IT SAYS
THEY'RE GOING TO BURN UP.
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IT DOESN'T SAY
THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP BURNING.
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>> BUT THE IDEA IS TAUGHT
BY MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS THAT
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PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE BURNED,
THEY'RE GOING TO BE TORTURED,
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AND AFTER 10 MINUTES,
THEY'RE GOING TO BE BURNT
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FOR ANOTHER 10 MINUTES AND THEIR
BLOOD IS GOING TO BE BOILING
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AND THEIR BRAIN IS GOING TO BE
BOILING AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE
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SCREAMING AND IT'S GOING TO GO
ON FOR 100 YEARS, 1,000 YEARS,
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A MILLION
YEARS, A BILLION YEARS.
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IT ALMOST DRIVES THE MIND INTO--
>> AND WHAT WE DON'T REALIZE
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IS THAT WE HAVE MADE THE
ATHEISTS BY THAT DOCTRINE.
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>> YES, WE HAVE.
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>> BECAUSE THE ATHEISTS HAVE
ENOUGH SENSE TO REALIZE THAT
00:11:23.63\00:11:26.50
IF THAT'S WHAT GOD IS LIKE,
THEY REALLY AREN'T INTERESTED IN
00:11:26.50\00:11:29.16
HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM.
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>> IF THAT'S WHAT
GOD IS LIKE, I HATE HIM.
00:11:31.13\00:11:34.23
>> FOR GOOD REASON.
00:11:34.23\00:11:35.13
>> YEAH, FOR GOOD REASON.
00:11:35.13\00:11:36.23
>> YOU KNOW,
JOHN, I DID A DEBATE.
00:11:36.23\00:11:37.60
I DID A TELEVISION DEBATE--
>> THESE PEOPLE HAVE BRED--THESE
00:11:37.60\00:11:40.16
PEOPLE HAVE BRED ATHEISTS.
00:11:40.16\00:11:41.83
>> DID A TV DEBATE YEARS
AGO ON THIS TOPIC OF HELL.
00:11:41.83\00:11:46.80
AND I DECIDED, YOU KNOW,
IF WE CAME OUT ON A CHRISTIAN
00:11:46.80\00:11:50.20
AUDIENCE AND SAID, "WE
DON'T BELIEVE IN HELL,"
00:11:50.20\00:11:52.53
WE'RE GOING TO
LOSE OUR LISTENERS.
00:11:52.53\00:11:54.33
SO I CAME OUT AND
WE'RE GONNA LOSE THE DEBATE.
00:11:54.33\00:11:57.06
I CAME OUT AND I SAID,
"YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE
00:11:57.06\00:11:59.06
BETWEEN OUR POSITIONS IS
WE BELIEVE HELL IS HOTTER THAN
00:11:59.06\00:12:02.30
YOU DO."
00:12:02.30\00:12:03.16
>> OH, WE BELIEVE IN
A REAL HOT HELL. WE DO.
00:12:03.16\00:12:05.20
>> IT'S SO HOT, IT BURNS YOU UP.
00:12:05.20\00:12:06.96
>> YES, IT DOES.
00:12:06.96\00:12:08.20
>> AND THAT WAY WE GOT PEOPLE,
YOU KNOW, I THINK, LISTENING.
00:12:08.20\00:12:11.50
>> THE BIBLE TEACHES HELL,
BUT IT DOESN'T TEACH A GOD WHO
00:12:11.50\00:12:15.10
PROLONGS LIFE TO TORTURE PEOPLE.
00:12:15.10\00:12:17.93
>> YOU KNOW, JOHN--
>> THAT'S WHY SOME OF THE
00:12:17.93\00:12:20.13
CHRISTIANS ARE INTO TORTURE.
00:12:20.13\00:12:21.50
>> NEITHER MY MOM OR MY
DAD WERE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.
00:12:21.50\00:12:25.53
NEITHER ONE OF 'EM
EVER BELIEVED IN JESUS.
00:12:25.53\00:12:27.90
NEITHER ONE OF THEM ARE
PARTICULARLY GOOD CANDIDATES FOR
00:12:27.90\00:12:30.90
THE KINGDOM FROM, YOU KNOW--NOW,
WE'RE NOT TO JUDGE AND,
00:12:30.90\00:12:34.10
YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY--
>> AND IT'S NOT OVER YET.
00:12:34.10\00:12:37.30
>> I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE AND
PRAY, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE GOD
00:12:37.30\00:12:40.13
SEES SOMETHING THAT I'M
NOT AWARE OF, BUT, YOU KNOW,
00:12:40.13\00:12:44.40
I'M COMFORTED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE
THAT EVEN IF THEY'RE GONNA MISS
00:12:44.40\00:12:48.36
OUT, THEY'RE GONNA BE
ALLOWED TO REST IN PEACE.
00:12:48.36\00:12:52.26
THEY'RE NOT GONNA
BE--GOD'S NOT GONNA TORTURE 'EM.
00:12:54.23\00:12:56.70
EVEN IF THEY CAN'T BE
INCLUDED IN THE KINGDOM,
00:12:56.70\00:12:59.76
THEY'RE GONNA BE
ALLOWED TO REST IN THE GRAVE.
00:12:59.76\00:13:03.36
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE
SUBJECTED TO TORTURE.
00:13:03.36\00:13:05.60
THEY DON'T DESERVE THAT.
00:13:05.60\00:13:06.80
>> YOU KNOW, THE MOST WONDERFUL
TEXT IN THE BIBLE FOR ME AND FOR
00:13:06.80\00:13:10.56
MILLIONS OF MY VIEWERS
TODAY IS GOOD OLD JOHN 3:16.
00:13:10.56\00:13:15.60
"FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT
HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON SO THAT
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WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL
NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING
00:13:19.60\00:13:25.26
LIFE."
00:13:25.26\00:13:26.23
IF I AM SCREAMING IN
AN ETERNALLY BURNING HELL
00:13:26.23\00:13:30.53
AND I'M ALIVE AND MY
BLOOD IS BUBBLING AND I'M GOING
00:13:30.53\00:13:34.83
THROUGH EXCRUCIATING
AGONY, I HAVEN'T PERISHED.
00:13:34.83\00:13:37.96
>> NOPE, THAT'S TRUE.
00:13:39.56\00:13:41.03
BUT MORE TO THE POINT,
ARE YOU GOING TO BE ENJOYING
00:13:41.03\00:13:46.33
THE GLORIES OF HEAVEN IF YOUR
LOVED ONES ARE BEING TORTURED
00:13:46.33\00:13:51.83
IN THE FIRES OF HELL?
00:13:51.83\00:13:53.13
>> THEY'RE GONNA LOOK
OVER THE SIDE AND SAY,
00:13:53.13\00:13:54.63
"THERE'S GRANDPA DOWN THERE.
00:13:54.63\00:13:56.36
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE
GETTING WHAT YOU DESERVED."
00:13:56.36\00:13:58.83
NOW THIS IS AN EVIL CONCEPT.
00:13:58.83\00:14:01.63
NOW LET'S GET
BACK TO THIS MOSQUE.
00:14:01.63\00:14:04.93
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHY
SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IN TORTURE.
00:14:04.93\00:14:07.46
IT'S BECAUSE OF THEIR
MISCONCEPTION OF GOD, BUT--
00:14:07.46\00:14:10.53
>> THE IMAM WHO'S DOING THIS
CULTURAL CENTER IS DOING EXACTLY
00:14:10.53\00:14:14.16
WHAT THOUGHTFUL
AMERICANS OUGHT TO HOPE FOR,
00:14:14.16\00:14:17.93
WHICH IS TO BUILD A COMMUNITY
CENTER TO BRING THE FAITHS
00:14:17.93\00:14:21.00
TOGETHER, TO BUILD UNDERSTANDING
AMONG JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
00:14:21.00\00:14:24.73
AND MUSLIMS.
00:14:24.73\00:14:25.76
>> BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
SAY TO YOU, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY,
00:14:25.76\00:14:29.66
YOU AND I WOULD
THINK PERHAPS WRONGLY.
00:14:29.66\00:14:32.00
THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, BUT THIS
COULD BECOME A POTENTIAL CENTER
00:14:32.00\00:14:35.80
FOR TERRORISM.
00:14:35.80\00:14:38.23
AND HERE MUSLIM PEOPLE
BROUGHT DOWN THE TWIN TOWERS.
00:14:38.23\00:14:42.66
THEY KILLED THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS, TOOK THE
00:14:42.66\00:14:46.30
LIVES OF SOME OF OUR LOVED ONES.
00:14:46.30\00:14:49.53
AND NOW WITH NO SENSITIVITY
AT ALL, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP
00:14:49.53\00:14:53.70
A MUSLIM PLACE.
00:14:53.70\00:14:56.30
AND SOME ARE GOING TO SAY ABOUT
THIS, "THEY'RE REALLY CLAIMING
00:14:56.30\00:15:01.40
VICTORY.
00:15:01.40\00:15:02.36
'WE BROUGHT DOWN THE TWIN
TOWERS. NOW WE'RE BUILDING
00:15:02.36\00:15:05.70
A MOSQUE AND WE'RE
CLAIMING VICTORY.'"
00:15:05.70\00:15:08.23
>> WHAT YOU'RE EXPRESSING
AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM
00:15:08.23\00:15:10.96
AMERICANS WHO ARE
OPPOSED IS WE'RE HEARING FEAR.
00:15:10.96\00:15:14.63
>> YEAH.
00:15:14.63\00:15:15.46
>> AND YOU KNOW-- >>
BUT THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
00:15:15.46\00:15:17.33
>> BUT LET'S PUT THIS--LET'S
PUT THIS IN THE LARGER CONTEXT.
00:15:17.33\00:15:20.63
FEAR IS THE ENGINE OF EMPIRE.
00:15:20.63\00:15:23.50
EVERY EMPIRE NEEDS TO MOBILIZE
ITS SUPPORT AND ITS CITIZENS
00:15:23.50\00:15:28.60
THROUGH FEAR.
00:15:28.60\00:15:29.93
COMMUNISM IS DEAD.
00:15:29.93\00:15:32.16
IT USED TO BE, YOU KNOW,
THE ONLY GOOD RED IS A DEAD RED.
00:15:32.16\00:15:36.63
AND WE'D MOBILIZE
FEAR OF COMMUNISM.
00:15:36.63\00:15:39.23
NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS
LARGER-THAN-LIFE ENEMY CALLED
00:15:39.23\00:15:44.20
DANGEROUS, YOU
KNOW, ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
00:15:44.20\00:15:46.46
AND ALL--THE ONLY GOOD
MUSLIM IS A DEAD MUSLIM.
00:15:46.46\00:15:49.26
>> NO, NO, NO.
00:15:49.26\00:15:51.06
I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT.
00:15:51.06\00:15:53.03
I DON'T KNOW IF TOO MANY
AMERICANS WOULD TAKE THAT
00:15:53.03\00:15:55.93
VIEWPOINT, BUT WE ARE DEALING
WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE KILLED US.
00:15:55.93\00:16:00.43
DID YOU KNOW THAT IN THE
SUDAN MUSLIMS HAVE BURNED DOWN
00:16:00.43\00:16:05.93
1,000 CHURCHES?
00:16:05.93\00:16:08.40
A THOUSAND CHURCHES.
00:16:08.40\00:16:11.06
AND THEY HAVE KILLED THOUSANDS
AND THOUSANDS, SOME WOULD SAY
00:16:11.06\00:16:14.63
HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS.
00:16:14.63\00:16:18.23
>> THERE HAS BEEN CONFLICT
IN SUDAN AND OTHER PLACES.
00:16:18.23\00:16:22.26
INDONESIA, ABSOLUTELY.
00:16:22.26\00:16:24.23
SO WOULDN'T THAT SUGGEST THAT
WE NEED TO NURTURE THOSE ISLAMIC
00:16:24.23\00:16:30.50
FORCES THAT ARE WILLING TO
MAKE THEIR PEACE WITH MODERNITY,
00:16:30.50\00:16:34.86
WITH PLURALISM,
THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FROM
00:16:34.86\00:16:38.80
THE INSIDE OF ISLAM TO ENCOURAGE
THOSE WHO WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE?
00:16:38.80\00:16:44.63
>> AND IT IS TRUE, AS YOU KNOW--
>> THE MODEL FOR THE MOSQUE,
00:16:44.63\00:16:48.66
FOR THE IMAM, IS A
PERIOD IN SPANISH HISTORY,
00:16:48.66\00:16:52.76
FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE
THE INQUISITION, WHEN JEWS
00:16:52.76\00:16:56.26
AND CHRISTIANS AND
MUSLIMS LIVED TOGETHER IN PEACE
00:16:56.26\00:16:59.30
ON THE SPANISH PENINSULA.
00:16:59.30\00:17:01.13
>> AND ALSO THE
MUSLIMS PROTECTED CHRISTIANS.
00:17:01.13\00:17:06.30
IN THE DAYS OF THE INQUISITION,
WHEN THE CHURCH OF ROME WAS
00:17:06.30\00:17:09.23
KILLING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT GOD WAS THE
00:17:09.23\00:17:13.56
TORTURER-IN-CHIEF,
CHRISTIANS FOUND SANCTUARY
00:17:13.56\00:17:18.76
IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
00:17:18.76\00:17:20.36
>> WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT
IF WE HAVE A GOSPEL ATTITUDE,
00:17:20.36\00:17:26.20
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENEMIES.
00:17:26.20\00:17:28.20
NOW THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT
THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T HAVE
00:17:28.20\00:17:29.50
ENEMIES, BUT LET'S DEAL WITH
00:17:29.50\00:17:30.93
THOSE ENEMIES FOR WHO THEY ARE
AND NOT JUST PAINT WITH A BROAD
00:17:32.56\00:17:35.83
BRUSH THAT A BILLION MUSLIMS
IN THIS WORLD ARE THE ENEMIES
00:17:35.83\00:17:39.23
OF THE UNITED STATES.
00:17:39.23\00:17:40.50
WHAT THE FEAR DOES IS IT
ACTUALLY CREATES MORE ENEMIES
00:17:40.50\00:17:44.56
OF THE NATION.
00:17:44.56\00:17:45.50
>> NOW SABBATH-KEEPING
CHRISTIAN, WE KEEP THE SABBATH
00:17:45.50\00:17:50.26
OF THE BIBLE, THE SAME
SABBATH THAT THE JEWS HAVE KEPT
00:17:50.26\00:17:53.93
FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
00:17:53.93\00:17:55.50
>> SAME SABBATH THAT JESUS KEPT.
00:17:55.50\00:17:56.63
>> YEAH, THE SAME SABBATH
THAT ALL THE BIBLE WRITERS KEPT,
00:17:56.63\00:17:59.33
HALLELUJAH.
00:17:59.33\00:18:00.50
ALAN, YOU BELIEVE IT'S
OKAY TO BUILD THIS MOSQUE.
00:18:00.50\00:18:05.23
DOES THE CONSTITUTION OF THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA--YOU
00:18:05.23\00:18:08.66
KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO
BE AN AMERICAN AND SAY,
00:18:08.66\00:18:11.73
"WE BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION.
00:18:11.73\00:18:14.43
YOU KNOW, WE
LOVE THE CONSTITUTION.
00:18:14.43\00:18:16.90
WE SALUTE THE
FLAG," UNTIL THE FLAG
00:18:16.90\00:18:18.76
AND THE CONSTITUTION TELL US
00:18:18.76\00:18:20.20
SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR.
00:18:21.96\00:18:24.06
>> RIGHT. WELL--
>> DO MUSLIMS HAVE A
00:18:24.06\00:18:26.90
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO
BUILD A MOSQUE IN NEW YORK CITY?
00:18:26.90\00:18:31.00
>> THAT'S AN EASY QUESTION.
00:18:31.00\00:18:33.10
YES! ABSOLUTELY THEY DO.
00:18:33.10\00:18:35.86
THEY BOUGHT THE
BUILDING FAIR AND SQUARE.
00:18:35.86\00:18:37.83
>> TELL ME MORE.
00:18:37.83\00:18:40.06
>> THEY BOUGHT THE BUILDING.
00:18:40.06\00:18:41.23
IT'S A COUPLE OF
BLOCKS NORTH OF GROUND ZERO.
00:18:41.23\00:18:44.43
AND HONESTLY, EVERYBODY WHO GOES
TO GROUND ZERO, IF YOU DIDN'T
00:18:44.43\00:18:47.73
KNOW THAT BUILDING WAS
THERE, YOU'D NEVER SEE IT.
00:18:47.73\00:18:50.06
>> I UNDERSTAND IT'S
GOING TO BE A BIG THING.
00:18:50.06\00:18:52.73
>> WELL, THERE ARE
OTHER BIG THINGS ALL AROUND.
00:18:52.73\00:18:55.96
THAT'S THE WAY MANHATTAN IS.
00:18:55.96\00:18:58.63
>> I THINK IT WOULD
BE A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.
00:18:58.63\00:19:00.73
IT'S THE MOST
EXCITING CITY IN THE WORLD.
00:19:00.73\00:19:03.23
>> IT IS. IT'S A
GREAT--IT'S A GREAT CITY.
00:19:03.23\00:19:05.63
>> IT'S THE GREATEST--NEW
YORK IS NOT A CITY.
00:19:05.63\00:19:11.63
>> LOOK, BACK TO THE--EVEN OUR
FOUNDING FATHERS RECOGNIZED THAT
00:19:11.63\00:19:16.03
OUR NATION WOULD BE A HOSPITABLE
PLACE FOR MUSLIMS, THAT THIS
00:19:16.03\00:19:20.50
NATION WELCOMED PEOPLE OF ALL
FAITHS AND EVERYONE IS TREATED
00:19:20.50\00:19:24.76
AS EQUAL IN THE EYES OF THE LAW.
00:19:24.76\00:19:26.30
>> WHAT DID THEY SAY?
00:19:26.30\00:19:27.96
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY.
00:19:27.96\00:19:29.93
THERE'S SOME LETTERS CIRCULATING
ON THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW--
00:19:29.93\00:19:32.63
>> NO, NO, YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT--YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
00:19:32.63\00:19:35.86
THE FOUNDING FATHERS.
00:19:35.86\00:19:36.63
WHAT DID THE FOUNDING
FATHERS SAY ABOUT SIMILAR ISSUES
00:19:36.63\00:19:41.30
TO BUILDING THIS MOSQUE?
00:19:41.30\00:19:43.43
WHAT DID THE FOUNDING FATHERS
SAY ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE
00:19:43.43\00:19:47.10
TO WORSHIP GOD ACCORDING TO THE
DICTATES OF THEIR CONSCIENCES?
00:19:47.10\00:19:50.46
>> MANY, MANY OF THEM
SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZED THAT THE
00:19:50.46\00:19:53.46
PRINCIPLES OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
THAT WERE BEING ENACTED IN THE
00:19:53.46\00:19:56.30
FIRST AMENDMENT WOULD ENCOMPASS
MUSLIMS AS WELL AS JEWS AS WELL
00:19:56.30\00:20:01.53
AS CHRISTIANS.
00:20:01.53\00:20:02.50
BECAUSE THE PREVAILING TENDENCY
BEFORE THE CONSTITUTION WAS
00:20:02.50\00:20:07.20
TO RESTRICT LIBERTIES FOR
PROTESTANTS OR, IN SOME CASES,
00:20:07.20\00:20:11.86
MAYBE TO EXTEND IT TO CATHOLICS
AS THEY DID IN MARYLAND,
00:20:11.86\00:20:15.70
BUT IT WAS VERY NARROW
AND RESTRICTIVE AND WHEN THEY
00:20:15.70\00:20:19.16
STARTED TO OPEN UP AND
SAY, "NO, WE'RE GONNA PROTECT
00:20:19.16\00:20:21.66
RELIGIOUS LIBERTY FOR
EVERYBODY," THEY WERE THINKING
00:20:21.66\00:20:24.60
ABOUT JEWS AND
MUSLIMS IN PARTICULAR.
00:20:24.60\00:20:26.80
>> OF COURSE.
00:20:26.80\00:20:28.26
I HAD AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE SOME
TIME AGO IN BEVERLY HILLS, ALAN.
00:20:28.26\00:20:33.60
I HAVE--SOME OF MY
BEST FRIENDS ARE MY DOCTORS.
00:20:33.60\00:20:38.13
I HAVE A NUMBER OF--YEAH.
00:20:38.13\00:20:39.63
AND THESE DOCTORS ARE MY FRIENDS
AND THEY TAKE CARE OF ME.
00:20:39.63\00:20:43.96
I GET ON VERY WELL WITH THEM.
00:20:43.96\00:20:45.73
WHEN I GO AND SEE MY
OLD FRIEND--HE'S NOT OLD.
00:20:45.73\00:20:48.73
BUT DOCTOR JACK
GINDI, WE TALK THEOLOGY.
00:20:48.73\00:20:53.43
WE EVEN TALK ABOUT THE
BIBLE AND WE TALK ABOUT JESUS
00:20:53.43\00:20:56.60
AND I GO TO ANOTHER
JEWISH FRIEND, A DOCTOR,
00:20:56.60\00:21:00.53
AND HE SAYS TO ME
AFTER HE'S CHECKED ME OUT,
00:21:00.53\00:21:03.20
AND HE'S A GREAT DOCTOR,
HE SAYS, "YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN."
00:21:03.20\00:21:06.73
I SAY, "NO, I
HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN."
00:21:06.73\00:21:09.00
HE SAYS, "WELL,
CAN WE DO THIS NOW?"
00:21:09.00\00:21:12.06
I SAY, "NOW
YOU'VE GOT TO TELL ME."
00:21:12.06\00:21:13.96
I KNOW WHAT HE WANTS.
00:21:13.96\00:21:14.96
HE SAYS, "SAY A PRAYER FOR ME."
00:21:14.96\00:21:18.40
SO I PUT MY ARM AROUND HIM.
00:21:18.40\00:21:19.43
WE HAVE A PRAYER TOGETHER.
00:21:19.43\00:21:21.40
SO I HAVE GREAT FRIENDS
AMONG THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
00:21:21.40\00:21:24.20
WONDERFUL DOCTORS.
00:21:24.20\00:21:26.50
BUT I HAVE A GREAT
DOCTOR DOWN IN BEVERLY HILLS,
00:21:26.50\00:21:28.53
WHO RUNS A BIG HEART CLINIC.
00:21:28.53\00:21:30.26
AND BECAUSE I WANT TO TAKE
CARE OF MYSELF SO I CAN DO GOD'S
00:21:30.26\00:21:33.56
WORK, I GO AND HAVE A
CHECKOUT WITH DR. NORMAN LEPOR.
00:21:33.56\00:21:37.56
HE'S A GREAT CARDIOLOGIST,
ONE OF THE GREATEST IN THE
00:21:37.56\00:21:39.93
WORLD.
00:21:39.93\00:21:40.76
ALAN, I WENT TO SEE
THIS JEWISH BROTHER OF YOURS,
00:21:40.76\00:21:44.16
THIS JEWISH BROTHER OF MINE,
AND I SAID TO HIM, "I WANT YOU
00:21:44.16\00:21:48.13
TO KNOW, DR. LEPOR, I'VE
PAID YOU A GREAT COMPLIMENT.
00:21:48.13\00:21:52.50
I'VE JUST DRIVEN 50
MILES TO COME AND SEE YOU.
00:21:52.50\00:21:56.13
I'VE DRIVEN FROM THOUSAND OAKS
DOWN HERE TO BEVERLY HILLS."
00:21:56.13\00:22:00.50
HE SAID, "THANK YOU
SO VERY MUCH." HE SAID,
00:22:00.50\00:22:03.06
"THE PRIME MINISTER OF MALAYSIA
HAS JUST FLOWN 7,000 MILES."
00:22:03.06\00:22:09.63
THEN WHEN WE GOT-- >>
IT'S EASIER TO FLY FROM
00:22:09.63\00:22:11.50
MALAYSIA THAN TO DEAL WITH
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TRAFFIC
00:22:11.50\00:22:14.50
SOMETIMES.
00:22:14.50\00:22:15.90
>> MUCH EASIER. I'D RATHER FLY.
00:22:15.90\00:22:20.66
HE SAID, "YOU KNOW
CEDARS-SINAI HOSPITAL HERE?"
00:22:20.66\00:22:23.23
I SAID, "YES, I KNOW IT.
00:22:23.23\00:22:24.50
I KNOW OF IT.
00:22:24.50\00:22:25.43
I'VE NEVER BEEN THERE."
00:22:25.43\00:22:26.83
BUT YOU KNOW OF CEDARS-SINAI.
00:22:26.83\00:22:28.36
IT'S A GREAT JEWISH CENTER.
00:22:28.36\00:22:30.53
HE SAID, "DO YOU KNOW
WHY WE BUILT CEDARS-SINAI?"
00:22:30.53\00:22:35.30
I SAID, "THE SAME REASON THAT
THE ADVENTISTS BUILD LOMA LINDA
00:22:35.30\00:22:39.03
AND OTHER
PEOPLE BUILT HOSPITALS.
00:22:39.03\00:22:41.80
WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL
THAT YOU BUILD A HOSPITAL?"
00:22:41.80\00:22:44.56
HE SAID, "BECAUSE WE WERE
NOT ALLOWED TO PRACTICE MEDICINE
00:22:44.56\00:22:50.66
IN AMERICA."
00:22:50.66\00:22:51.93
I SAID, "ARE YOU PUTTING ME ON?"
00:22:51.93\00:22:56.26
HE SAID, "NO."
00:22:56.26\00:22:57.00
HE SAID, "I THINK
I CAN TALK TO YOU."
00:22:57.00\00:22:58.50
AND THIS MAN'S A GREAT GUY.
00:22:58.50\00:23:00.30
HE'S JUST THE NICEST GUY.
00:23:00.30\00:23:02.56
I WOULD SAY HE WAS A CHRISTIAN
00:23:00.30\00:23:02.56
GENTLEMAN, EXCEPT
THAT HE'S NOT A CHRISTIAN.
00:23:03.83\00:23:06.43
HE'S JEWISH, BUT YOU
KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
00:23:06.43\00:23:08.60
HE'S A WONDERFUL MAN.
00:23:08.60\00:23:09.93
HE SAID, "WE WERE NOT EVEN
ALLOWED TO STUDY IT AT COLLEGES
00:23:09.93\00:23:16.50
AND UNIVERSITIES
THAT PRODUCED DOCTORS."
00:23:16.50\00:23:19.93
>> YOU KNOW, JOHN-- >>
HERE'S A RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
00:23:19.93\00:23:22.43
THING.
00:23:22.43\00:23:23.26
>> MOST AMERICANS DON'T REALIZE
HOW PERVASIVE DISCRIMINATION
00:23:23.26\00:23:28.26
IN EDUCATION AND EMPLOYMENT--YOU
KNOW, ALAN DERSHOWITZ WRITES
00:23:28.26\00:23:32.86
THAT AFTER CLERKING AT THE
UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT,
00:23:32.86\00:23:36.23
NONE OF THE GENTILE LAW FIRMS
IN NEW YORK CITY WOULD HIRE HIM.
00:23:36.23\00:23:40.16
>> IT'S AMAZING, ISN'T IT?
00:23:40.16\00:23:41.66
>> AND HERE HE IS,
YOU KNOW, TOP OF HIS CLASS
00:23:41.66\00:23:43.70
AT HARVARD LAW SCHOOL,
CLERKING FOR U.S. SUPREME COURT,
00:23:43.70\00:23:47.56
AND HE CAN'T BEG, BORROW,
OR STEAL A JOB IN A PROTESTANT
00:23:47.56\00:23:48.80
LAW FIRM.
00:23:48.80\00:23:51.76
>> WELL, WE CALL THIS BIGOTRY.
00:23:52.93\00:23:54.50
>> IT IS. AND IT'S--YOU KNOW,
IT'S THE DARK SIDE OF AMERICAN
00:23:54.50\00:23:59.60
CHRISTIANITY.
00:23:59.60\00:24:00.93
AND FRANKLY, IT IS NOT BECOMING
A CHRISTIAN TO SHOW ANY SORT
00:24:00.93\00:24:06.23
OF BIGOTRY OR HOSTILITY
TO PEOPLE OF ANOTHER FAITH.
00:24:06.23\00:24:09.83
>> YEARS AGO, I KNEW AN
AUSTRALIAN, AN OLD MAN BY THE
00:24:09.83\00:24:12.43
NAME OF MR. MUELLER.
00:24:12.43\00:24:14.46
AND HE'D BEEN A LUTHERAN.
00:24:14.46\00:24:15.96
AND HE BECAME AN
ADVENTIST CHRISTIAN.
00:24:15.96\00:24:18.43
AND I SAID TO HIM,
"WHAT WAS YOUR RELIGION?
00:24:18.43\00:24:21.10
HOW WERE YOU BROUGHT UP?"
00:24:21.10\00:24:22.23
HE SAID, "I WAS A
BY-GOTED LUTHERAN."
00:24:22.23\00:24:25.76
>> A WHAT?
00:24:25.76\00:24:26.50
>> BY-GOTED.
00:24:26.50\00:24:27.26
I THOUGHT, "WELL, THERE'S
LUTHERANS AND I THOUGHT THIS
00:24:27.26\00:24:30.06
IS A PARTICULAR BRAND.
00:24:30.06\00:24:31.53
SO WHEN I INTRODUCED HIM
TO SOME OF MY FRIENDS, I SAID,
00:24:31.53\00:24:34.73
"MY FRIEND HERE, MR. MUELLER,
WAS BROUGHT AS A BY-GOTED
00:24:34.73\00:24:39.73
LUTHERAN. BY-GOTED."
00:24:39.73\00:24:43.93
AN OLD GERMAN
MAN, HE MEANT BIGOTED.
00:24:43.93\00:24:47.33
BY-GOTED.
00:24:47.33\00:24:49.13
AND SO THERE ARE BY-GOTED
ADVENTISTS, BY-GOTED CATHOLICS,
00:24:49.13\00:24:56.43
BY-GOTED LUTHERANS,
BY-GOTED JEWS, AND QUITE A FEW
00:24:56.43\00:25:02.86
BY-GOTED MUSLIMS.
00:25:02.86\00:25:05.93
THE WHOLE LOT.
00:25:05.93\00:25:07.73
WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A CULTURE
WHERE BIGOTRY IS LAID ASIDE
00:25:07.73\00:25:14.33
AND WE ACCEPT
PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEY ARE.
00:25:14.33\00:25:17.80
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT?
00:25:17.80\00:25:18.66
>> ABSOLUTELY.
00:25:18.66\00:25:19.90
LOOK, WE'RE
FIGHTING A WAR ON TERRORISM.
00:25:19.90\00:25:22.60
>> YES, WE ARE.
00:25:22.60\00:25:23.63
>> BUT TERRORISM IS
BUILT ON FEAR AND HATRED.
00:25:23.63\00:25:28.73
THE ONLY WAY TO COMBAT THIS
IS WITH THE GENUINE AMERICAN
00:25:28.73\00:25:33.06
VALUES OF INCLUSIVENESS,
OF RESPECT FOR EVERYONE
00:25:33.06\00:25:37.63
REGARDLESS OF THEIR BELIEFS.
00:25:37.63\00:25:39.33
THE ONLY WAY TO PENETRATE
ISLAMIC CULTURE IS FOR THEM
00:25:39.33\00:25:43.63
TO SEE US PRACTICING OUR VALUES
AS AMERICANS AND FOR THEM TO BUY
00:25:43.63\00:25:49.33
INTO THESE VALUES OF
AN INCLUSIVE SOCIETY.
00:25:49.33\00:25:53.60
OTHERWISE, AS LONG AS IT'S
US AGAINST THEM, WE'RE GONNA BE
00:25:53.60\00:25:58.40
HAVING THIS ENDLESS BATTLE
AGAINST DANGEROUS TERRORISTS.
00:25:58.40\00:26:01.46
>> WHAT IS THE GREATNESS OF
AMERICA ANYHOW IF IT IS NOT HER
00:26:01.46\00:26:06.36
TOLERANCE AND HER SPLENDID
CONSTITUTION AND THE AMENDMENTS
00:26:06.36\00:26:11.66
THAT GUARANTEE THE SEPARATION
OF CHURCH AND STATE AND THE
00:26:11.66\00:26:15.96
RIGHT OF EVERY PERSON TO WORSHIP
GOD AS HE BELIEVES HE OUGHT TO?
00:26:15.96\00:26:20.20
THIS IS WHAT
THE FLAG STANDS FOR.
00:26:20.20\00:26:22.50
>> IT IS, BUT WHEN WE TOSS
ASIDE OUR VALUES, OUR FREEDOM,
00:26:22.50\00:26:28.63
OUR CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME
OF SELF-PRESERVATION, YOU KNOW,
00:26:28.63\00:26:34.26
IN THE NAME OF
SECURITY AND PATRIOTISM,
00:26:34.26\00:26:37.66
AND WE PROJECT OUR MILITARY
MIGHT AND THE ATTITUDE THAT
00:26:37.66\00:26:42.13
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, WE
COMPROMISE OUR VERY CHARACTER
00:26:42.13\00:26:46.06
AS A NATION.
00:26:46.06\00:26:48.40
>> SO, MY FRIEND, WE
BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
00:26:48.40\00:26:51.70
WE BELIEVE IN THE
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
00:26:51.70\00:26:54.86
WE BELIEVE IN THE AMERICA THAT
SAYS, "YOU'RE WELCOME HERE AND
00:26:54.86\00:27:00.16
WE LOVE YOU."
00:27:00.16\00:27:01.70
AND WE BELIEVE IN THE AMERICA
THAT GIVES PEOPLE THE RIGHT
00:27:01.70\00:27:05.86
TO BE WHAT GOD WANTS THEM
TO BE ACCORDING TO THE DICTATES
00:27:05.86\00:27:11.06
OF THEIR CONSCIENCES.
00:27:11.06\00:27:13.40
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE
BREAK AND THIS LITTLE BREAK IS
00:27:13.40\00:27:16.16
IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A
SUPER IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR YOU.
00:27:16.16\00:27:17.60
AND THEN I'M GOING TO BE BACK
00:27:17.60\00:27:21.20
WITH MY FRIEND,
ATTORNEY ALAN REINACH.
00:27:22.33\00:27:24.76
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE
TALKING ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE
00:27:24.76\00:27:28.06
AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
00:27:28.06\00:27:29.70
STAY WITH US.
00:27:29.70\00:27:32.23
>> HELLO, FRIEND.
00:27:34.23\00:27:35.00
I'M JOHN CARTER WITH A VERY
SPECIAL MESSAGE JUST FOR YOU.
00:27:35.00\00:27:39.66
I BELIEVE THAT GOD HAS CALLED
YOU AND ME TO TELL THE WORLD
00:27:39.66\00:27:44.06
ABOUT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
00:27:44.06\00:27:46.40
YOU KNOW, FRIEND,
WHEN I TURN IN MY BIBLE
00:27:46.40\00:27:48.63
TO REVELATION 14, I
READ THERE OF A WORLDWIDE
00:27:48.63\00:27:54.10
PROCLAMATION OF THE GOSPEL
IN THE SETTING OF SOME VERY
00:27:54.10\00:27:58.13
AMAZING TRUTHS.
00:27:58.13\00:28:00.13
AND THAT IS WHY
THE CARTER REPORT
00:28:00.13\00:28:01.46
RIGHT NOW IS WORKING IN CHINA.
00:28:01.46\00:28:03.96
ISN'T THAT AMAZING?
00:28:03.96\00:28:05.36
ALSO IN INDIA.
00:28:05.36\00:28:07.20
WE'RE TELECASTING IN INDIA.
00:28:07.20\00:28:09.36
AND VERY SHORTLY,
WE'RE GOING TO AFRICA.
00:28:09.36\00:28:12.23
AND WHEN WE GO TO AFRICA,
THE MESSAGE OF CHRIST IS GOING
00:28:12.23\00:28:15.40
TO BE TELECAST RIGHT
ACROSS THAT GREAT CONTINENT
00:28:15.40\00:28:19.10
AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
00:28:19.10\00:28:22.73
TO COME TO THE
KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST.
00:28:22.73\00:28:25.46
I'M ASKING TODAY FOR YOUR
HELP AND YOUR PARTNERSHIP.
00:28:25.46\00:28:31.26
I WANT YOU TO
WRITE TO ME, PLEASE.
00:28:31.26\00:28:33.40
AND I WANT YOU TO SUPPORT US
IN THIS WORLDWIDE EVANGELISM.
00:28:33.40\00:28:39.23
AND WHEN YOU DO SO, I
WANT TO SEND YOU TWO DVDS.
00:28:39.23\00:28:44.93
TWO DVDS.
00:28:44.93\00:28:48.33
ONE IS ABOUT HOW TO SURVIVE
THE COMING FINANCIAL MELTDOWN
00:28:48.33\00:28:53.80
AND THE SECOND ONE IS ABOUT THE
HEALTH CRISIS THAT IS JUST ABOUT
00:28:53.80\00:28:57.90
BLOWING AMERICA APART,
BUT IT CONCERNS MY FRIENDS
00:28:57.90\00:29:02.03
ALSO IN AUSTRALIA.
00:29:02.03\00:29:04.63
SO PLEASE SUPPORT
US IN THIS GREAT WORK,
00:29:04.63\00:29:07.53
AND WHEN YOU SUPPORT US,
I'LL SEND YOU THESE TWO DVDS.
00:29:07.53\00:29:12.83
WRITE TO ME, JOHN
CARTER, POST OFFICE BOX 1900,
00:29:12.83\00:29:16.03
THOUSAND OAKS,
CALIFORNIA, 91358.
00:29:16.03\00:29:19.03
IN AUSTRALIA,
WRITE TO ME AT TERRIGAL.
00:29:19.03\00:29:22.73
SUPPORT US IN THIS
GREAT OUTREACH TO THE WORLD.
00:29:22.73\00:29:27.26
LET CHRIST BE KNOWN AND
MAY GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU.
00:29:27.26\00:29:31.90
WRITE TO ME PLEASE, TODAY.
00:29:31.90\00:29:35.40
>> WELCOME BACK, MY FRIEND.
00:29:37.76\00:29:39.00
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GAY
MARRIAGE AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.
00:29:39.00\00:29:43.13
AND MY SPECIAL GUEST
IS ATTORNEY ALAN REINACH,
00:29:43.13\00:29:46.40
WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF THE CHURCH STATE COUNCIL
00:29:46.40\00:29:50.96
RIGHT HERE IN
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
00:29:50.96\00:29:54.03
ALAN, IT'S GREAT
TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
00:29:54.03\00:29:56.00
>> IT'S GREAT TO
BE WITH YOU, JOHN.
00:29:56.00\00:29:57.93
>> ALWAYS GREAT
TO HAVE A NEW YORKER.
00:29:57.93\00:30:00.03
>> WELL, HAPPY TO DO IT.
00:30:00.03\00:30:01.53
>> WHO'S GOT
CONTACTS IN WALL STREET.
00:30:01.53\00:30:03.86
>> NOT TOO MANY
ANYMORE, BUT THAT'S WHERE MY
00:30:03.86\00:30:06.66
FAMILY HISTORY IS.
00:30:06.66\00:30:09.73
>> "WHAT'S SO BAD WITH
GAY MARRIAGE?" SOME PEOPLE
00:30:09.73\00:30:11.73
WOULD ASK.
00:30:11.73\00:30:12.53
NOW, YOU KNOW, TODAY IN
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
00:30:12.53\00:30:16.36
IN AUSTRALIA, OTHER PLACES,
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS SO
00:30:16.36\00:30:22.00
PREVALENT THAT YOU'RE NOT
ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION
00:30:22.00\00:30:24.66
ANYMORE.
00:30:24.66\00:30:26.93
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT
TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT,
00:30:26.93\00:30:29.66
YOU'VE GOT TO BELIEVE THAT
EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY IS
00:30:29.66\00:30:32.53
OKAY. WHAT'S SO
BAD ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE?
00:30:32.53\00:30:35.96
>> I WISH WE HAD MORE THAN HALF
00:30:35.96\00:30:37.40
AN HOUR.
00:30:38.63\00:30:39.46
YOU KNOW, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
POSES THE MOST SEVERE THREAT TO
00:30:39.46\00:30:44.66
THE SURVIVAL OF THE INSTITUTIONS
OF THE CHURCH THAT WE HAVE EVER
00:30:44.66\00:30:48.66
FACED.
00:30:48.66\00:30:49.40
>> AND MAYBE THE
INSTITUTIONS OF THE STATE.
00:30:49.40\00:30:51.90
>> WELL, TO THE SURVIVAL OF
OUR CIVILIZATION AND OUR SOCIETY
00:30:51.90\00:30:56.23
PERHAPS, BUT WE'VE ALREADY
HAD RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS CLOSE
00:30:56.23\00:31:01.96
BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO GO
ALONG WITH THE NEW ORTHODOXY
00:31:01.96\00:31:06.53
OF NON-DISCRIMINATION
AGAINST PEOPLE OF THE, YOU KNOW,
00:31:06.53\00:31:10.70
SAME-SEX--OF HOMOSEXUALITY.
00:31:10.70\00:31:13.50
>> LET'S MAKE IT VERY PLAIN.
00:31:13.50\00:31:15.53
WE BELIEVE THE BIBLE TEACHES
THAT WE SHOULD LOVE EVERYBODY.
00:31:15.53\00:31:18.13
WE BELIEVE THIS.
00:31:18.13\00:31:19.00
>> ABSOLUTELY.
00:31:19.00\00:31:19.96
>> WE BELIEVE IN THE
GOLDEN RULE THAT JESUS GAVE US.
00:31:19.96\00:31:24.16
DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU
WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.
00:31:24.16\00:31:26.33
>> AT THE CHURCH STATE COUNCIL,
WE WALK A VERY FINE LINE IN
00:31:26.33\00:31:30.16
TERMS OF UPHOLDING THE RIGHTS
OF BELIEVERS TO LIVE ACCORDING
00:31:30.16\00:31:34.23
TO THEIR OWN BIBLICAL FAITH
WHILE ALSO RESPECTING THE RIGHTS
00:31:34.23\00:31:40.06
OF GAY PEOPLE TO LIVE ACCORDING
TO THEIR OWN VALUES WITHOUT
00:31:40.06\00:31:44.80
SUFFERING DISCRIMINATION.
00:31:44.80\00:31:46.36
SO THERE IS
A--THERE'S A LIVE AND LET LIVE.
00:31:46.36\00:31:48.76
>> SO YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN
DISCRIMINATING AGAINST GAYS.
00:31:48.76\00:31:51.86
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
00:31:51.86\00:31:53.46
BUT AT THE SAME TIME,
WE WANT-- >> NEITHER DO WE.
00:31:53.46\00:31:56.43
>> WE WANT THE SAME RESPECT FOR
OUR OWN BELIEFS AND VALUES AND
00:31:56.43\00:32:00.53
FOR THE CHURCH, THAT
WE OUGHT TO HAVE THE RIGHT
00:32:00.53\00:32:03.03
TO LIVE
ACCORDING TO OUR BELIEFS.
00:32:03.03\00:32:05.30
AND I DON'T KNOW
IF YOU'RE AWARE, JOHN.
00:32:05.30\00:32:07.90
THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HELD
EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT A STUDENT
00:32:07.90\00:32:13.43
GROUP THAT WAS CHRISTIAN WAS
GUILTY OF DISCRIMINATION SIMPLY
00:32:13.43\00:32:18.43
FOR REQUIRING ITS
MEMBERS TO BE CHRISTIAN.
00:32:18.43\00:32:21.13
IT IS NOW REGARDED AS
DISCRIMINATORY TO BE CHRISTIAN.
00:32:21.13\00:32:26.10
PERHAPS AN EVEN MORE
OUTRAGEOUS DECISION CAME OUT OF
00:32:26.10\00:32:29.53
A U.S. COURT OF APPEALS,
A FEDERAL COURT OF APPEALS
00:32:29.53\00:32:33.06
IN D.C., IN OUR NATION'S
CAPITAL. THE GOOD CITIZENS OF
00:32:33.06\00:32:37.36
D.C. WERE WANTING TO PUT TO
A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE WHETHER
00:32:37.36\00:32:42.20
MARRIAGE SHOULD BE A
MAN AND A WOMAN BECAUSE THE
00:32:42.20\00:32:44.63
CITY COUNCIL HAD VOTED IN GAY
MARRIAGE IN THE FALL OF 2009.
00:32:44.63\00:32:50.33
SO THEY WANTED A BALLOT
INITIATIVE TO PUT THIS BEFORE
00:32:50.33\00:32:53.00
THE PEOPLE.
00:32:53.00\00:32:53.86
SHALL WE RETURN TO MARRIAGE
BEING A MAN AND A WOMAN OR LEAVE
00:32:53.86\00:32:57.50
THE CITY COUNCIL'S
ACTION THE WAY IT IS?
00:32:57.50\00:33:00.56
THE CITY COUNCIL REFUSED
TO LET THAT GO ON THE BALLOT.
00:33:00.56\00:33:04.23
THEY SAID THAT TO VOTE ON
MARRIAGE WOULD VIOLATE THE HUMAN
00:33:04.23\00:33:07.33
RIGHTS CHARTER OF THE CITY.
00:33:07.33\00:33:09.40
AND A FEDERAL APPEALS COURT
AGREED THAT SIMPLY VOTING ON
00:33:09.40\00:33:14.83
MARRIAGE WAS SO DISCRIMINATORY
THAT THE PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN
00:33:14.83\00:33:19.53
ALLOWED TO DO IT.
00:33:19.53\00:33:21.73
MARRIAGE IS DISCRIMINATION.
00:33:21.73\00:33:24.33
DID YOU KNOW THAT, JOHN?
00:33:24.33\00:33:25.43
>> NO, I NEVER KNEW THAT,
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS
00:33:25.43\00:33:27.26
I DON'T KNOW.
00:33:27.26\00:33:27.90
BUT I'M LEARNING
SOME THINGS HERE TODAY.
00:33:27.90\00:33:30.23
TELL ME THIS.
00:33:30.23\00:33:31.63
YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN
WITH A JEWISH BACKGROUND.
00:33:31.63\00:33:33.53
>> YES, INDEED.
00:33:33.53\00:33:34.46
>> WHY IS MARRIAGE,
ORTHODOX MARRIAGE BETWEEN
00:33:34.46\00:33:37.10
A MAN AND A WOMAN
THE BEST WAY FOR THE
00:33:37.10\00:33:40.53
CHURCH AND THE WORLD?
00:33:40.53\00:33:42.50
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT,
PERSONALLY AS A CHRISTIAN?
00:33:42.50\00:33:46.80
>> WELL, LET'S START
WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
00:33:46.80\00:33:49.83
>> YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE.
00:33:49.83\00:33:50.76
>> BEFORE SIN, THE FIRST CHAPTER
OF GENESIS, GOD ESTABLISHED
00:33:50.76\00:33:55.10
TWO INSTITUTIONS,
SABBATH AND MARRIAGE.
00:33:55.10\00:33:59.43
AND BOTH OF THEM CONSTITUTE
THE FOUNDATION OF--FIRST,
00:33:59.43\00:34:03.83
SABBATH IS THE FOUNDATION
OF THE SPIRITUAL COMMUNITY.
00:34:03.83\00:34:06.46
IT'S THE TIME FOR THE SPIRITUAL
COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER TO
00:34:06.46\00:34:10.23
WORSHIP AS A BODY, TO
ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER.
00:34:10.23\00:34:13.13
AND THEN YOU HAVE MARRIAGE
IS THE FOUNDATION OF SOCIETY,
00:34:13.13\00:34:17.60
OF CIVILIZATION.
00:34:17.60\00:34:18.93
>> BEFORE YOU GO ANY
FURTHER--YOU'RE ON A ROLL,
00:34:18.93\00:34:21.10
BUT I'M JUST GONNA TRY
TO GET IN SOMETHING HERE.
00:34:21.10\00:34:23.86
KARL BARTH.
00:34:23.86\00:34:24.80
YOU KNOW THE GREAT THEOLOGIAN.
00:34:24.80\00:34:25.90
>> SURE.
00:34:25.90\00:34:26.83
>> HE QUOTES SOME OBSCURE
THEOLOGIAN IN ONE OF HIS BOOKS.
00:34:26.83\00:34:30.66
AND KARL BARTH MADE THIS
STATEMENT, QUOTING THIS MAN.
00:34:30.66\00:34:34.96
"WHEN THE DAY OF GOD, WHEN THE
HOLY DAY BECOMES THE DAY OF MAN,
00:34:34.96\00:34:40.70
SOCIETY AND HUMANITY WITHER
AWAY AND THE DEMONS RULE."
00:34:40.70\00:34:44.83
SO IF YOU GET RID OF THE
SABBATH, SOCIETY BREAKS DOWN.
00:34:49.40\00:34:53.36
MAY I SUGGEST TO YOU TODAY,
ALONG YOUR LINE OF THINKING,
00:34:53.36\00:34:57.10
THAT WHEN YOU GET RID OF
MARRIAGE, ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN,
00:34:57.10\00:35:01.60
SOCIETY WILL ALSO BREAK DOWN.
00:35:01.60\00:35:04.50
>> IT WILL BREAK DOWN EVEN--I
MEAN, IT IS THE FOUNDATION OF
00:35:04.50\00:35:08.06
SOCIETY. AND, YOU KNOW,
WHAT'S REMARKABLE--YOU KNOW,
00:35:08.06\00:35:11.13
WE HAD THIS--THESE VARIOUS LEGAL
CHALLENGES HERE IN CALIFORNIA TO
00:35:11.13\00:35:16.03
OUR OWN CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
TO PRESERVE MARRIAGE AS A MAN
00:35:16.03\00:35:19.60
AND A WOMAN
KNOWN AS PROPOSITION 8.
00:35:19.60\00:35:22.90
AND JUDGE WALKER ISSUED A VERY
LENGTHY DECISION EARLIER THIS
00:35:22.90\00:35:27.13
YEAR AND MADE WHAT I THINK
MOST AMERICANS WOULD FIND TO BE
00:35:27.13\00:35:31.66
EXTRAORDINARY CONCLUSIONS
THAT HE CLAIMS ARE FACTUAL
00:35:31.66\00:35:35.36
CONCLUSIONS.
00:35:35.36\00:35:36.73
SUCH AS CHILDREN DO NOT NEED
TO BE RAISED BY A MALE PARENT
00:35:36.73\00:35:39.96
AND A FEMALE PARENT
TO BE WELL-ADJUSTED.
00:35:42.43\00:35:45.50
>> HOW WOULD HE KNOW?
00:35:45.50\00:35:46.83
>> WELL, HE PURPORTS TO
TAKE THIS FROM THE RECORD IN THE
00:35:46.83\00:35:49.83
CASE, BUT IN FACT
THIS IS REALLY MORE--
00:35:49.83\00:35:53.76
>> A TREMENDOUS BIAS.
00:35:53.76\00:35:55.63
>> BIAS. HE SAYS, "THE GENETIC
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A PARENT
00:35:55.63\00:36:00.36
AND A CHILD IS NOT RELATED TO
A CHILD'S ADJUSTMENT OUTCOMES."
00:36:00.36\00:36:05.63
>> I SAY AGAIN,
HOW WOULD HE KNOW?
00:36:05.63\00:36:07.60
>> WELL, THE AMERICAN ACADEMY
OF PEDIATRICIANS IS OPPOSING
00:36:07.60\00:36:11.70
THIS DECISION, SEEKING REVERSAL
ON APPEAL AND PARTICULARLY
00:36:11.70\00:36:16.46
CONTENDING THAT CHILDREN
DON'T NEED OR BENEFIT FROM BEING
00:36:16.46\00:36:21.16
RAISED BY THEIR OWN
HETEROSEXUAL PARENTS.
00:36:21.16\00:36:25.96
PEDIATRICIANS KNOW WHAT CHILDREN
NEED AND THEY NEED A FATHER AND
00:36:25.96\00:36:30.30
A MOTHER.
00:36:30.30\00:36:31.83
WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON THE
BIBLE TO TELL US WHAT BIOLOGY
00:36:31.83\00:36:36.66
OUGHT TO, YOU KNOW,
BE OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY.
00:36:36.66\00:36:40.06
KIDS NEED A FATHER AND A MOTHER.
00:36:40.06\00:36:42.63
AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT,
THEY SUFFER AND SOCIETY SUFFERS.
00:36:42.63\00:36:47.03
>> DID YOU KNOW IN
AFRICA, THEY'VE MADE AN AMAZING
00:36:47.03\00:36:51.56
DISCOVERY.
00:36:51.56\00:36:52.90
IT'S A GREAT COUNTRY.
00:36:52.90\00:36:55.66
THEY'VE DISCOVERED THAT YOUNG
BULL ELEPHANTS BECOME ROGUES
00:36:55.66\00:36:59.50
WHEN THE OLD BULL
ELEPHANTS ARE KILLED.
00:36:59.50\00:37:03.23
AN AMAZING THING THEY'VE
DISCOVERED, THAT THE YOUNG
00:37:03.23\00:37:06.36
ELEPHANTS THAT GO AROUND
MARAUDING AND KILLING PEOPLE
00:37:06.36\00:37:09.30
AND BREAKING INTO SETTLEMENTS,
THEY'VE DONE THIS BECAUSE THEY
00:37:09.30\00:37:14.90
HAVEN'T HAD AN OLD BULL ELEPHANT
TO TAKE CARE OF THEM AND SHOW
00:37:14.90\00:37:19.56
THEM WHAT THEY OUGHT TO DO.
00:37:19.56\00:37:22.10
>> ISN'T THAT FASCINATING?
00:37:22.10\00:37:23.40
>> YEAH, THEY'VE DISCOVERED THIS
IN AFRICA THAT YOU'VE GOT TO
00:37:23.40\00:37:26.13
HAVE A MAMA ELEPHANT AND YOU'VE
GOT TO HAVE A PAPA ELEPHANT OR
00:37:26.13\00:37:30.70
ELSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MISFITS.
00:37:30.70\00:37:33.20
>> LOOK, YOU KNOW, THE REAL
ISSUE HERE THAT MOST AMERICANS
00:37:33.20\00:37:37.76
I THINK, JOHN, WHO ARE,
YOU KNOW, AT LEAST MODESTLY
00:37:37.76\00:37:42.83
SUPPORTIVE OF GAY MARRIAGE,
THE ATTITUDE IS LIVE AND LET
00:37:42.83\00:37:46.36
LIVE.
00:37:46.36\00:37:47.00
YOU KNOW, IF GAYS WANT TO
GET MARRIED, IT'S NO SKIN OFF
00:37:47.00\00:37:49.56
MY BACK.
00:37:49.56\00:37:50.30
I DON'T SEE HOW
IT'S GOING TO HURT.
00:37:50.30\00:37:52.03
IT'S NOT GONNA HURT ME.
00:37:52.03\00:37:53.10
AND WE DON'T
UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS.
00:37:53.10\00:37:56.03
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND MARRIAGE
HISTORICALLY IS A CHILD-CENTERED
00:37:56.03\00:38:00.70
INSTITUTION.
00:38:00.70\00:38:02.06
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PRESERVATION
OF SOCIETY BY PROVIDING
00:38:02.06\00:38:07.30
A HEALTHY, NURTURING
ENVIRONMENT FOR CHILDREARING.
00:38:07.30\00:38:11.13
AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT
EVERY MARRIAGE IS GONNA PRODUCE
00:38:11.13\00:38:14.23
OFFSPRING OR THAT THERE'S
SOMETHING WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHO
00:38:14.23\00:38:17.03
HAVE LOST A SPOUSE OR BEEN
DIVORCED GETTING MARRIED, BUT
00:38:17.03\00:38:21.03
THIS IS--THE PURPOSE OF
MARRIAGE IS TO PROVIDE A HEALTHY
00:38:21.03\00:38:25.63
ENVIRONMENT FOR RAISING KIDS.
00:38:25.63\00:38:27.36
WHAT THE GAY MARRIAGE MOVEMENT
IS REALLY DOING IS CHANGING THAT
00:38:27.36\00:38:33.40
SO THAT MARRIAGE IS NOW
SIMPLY A MATTER OF PERSONAL
00:38:33.40\00:38:37.00
GRATIFICATION.
00:38:37.00\00:38:38.36
AND ONCE THE MODEL BECOMES,
WELL, THE STATE HAS TO PERMIT
00:38:38.36\00:38:43.60
WHATEVER SOMEBODY WANTS TO
DO, WELL, THEN THE STATE HAS NO
00:38:43.60\00:38:47.96
RIGHT TO TELL A BISEXUAL
THAT THEY CAN'T MARRY A MAN AND
00:38:47.96\00:38:51.56
A WOMAN AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE
THAT'S WHAT WILL GRATIFY THEM.
00:38:51.56\00:38:56.63
>> THEY'LL DO
THIS SOONER OR LATER.
00:38:56.63\00:38:58.56
>> OH, I SUSPECT SOONER.
00:38:58.56\00:39:01.40
BUT THERE'S--BUT, YOU KNOW,
THE POINT IS THAT IT REALLY
00:39:01.40\00:39:04.86
DESTROYS THE MORAL FOUNDATION
OF SOCIETY AND OF THE FAMILY.
00:39:04.86\00:39:10.66
AND LOOK, IF WE'VE LEARNED
ANYTHING FROM THE HISTORY OF THE
00:39:10.66\00:39:13.43
DOWNFALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE,
IT WAS THE MORAL DEGRADATION
00:39:13.43\00:39:17.76
THAT MADE THE EMPIRE AND THE
CIVILIZATION WEAK AND OVERRUN
00:39:17.76\00:39:21.86
BY THE BARBARIANS.
00:39:21.86\00:39:22.96
>> ROME COLLAPSED INWARDLY.
00:39:22.96\00:39:24.76
>> EXACTLY.
00:39:24.76\00:39:25.40
>> YES.
00:39:25.40\00:39:26.10
>> AND, YOU KNOW, IT
WAS BRED IN CIRCUSES.
00:39:26.10\00:39:28.80
WELL, WE'VE GOT THE CIRCUSES.
00:39:28.80\00:39:31.10
WE'VE GOT INCREASING SOCIALISM.
00:39:31.10\00:39:32.86
WE'VE GOT AN ENTERTAINMENT
CULTURE THAT'S ALL ABOUT
00:39:32.86\00:39:35.60
ME, ME, ME, AND SEXUALITY
RUN AMOK IN OUR CULTURE.
00:39:35.60\00:39:39.96
IT'S SAPPING THE LIFE
OUT OF OUR CIVILIZATION.
00:39:39.96\00:39:42.76
AND OUR CIVILIZATION
WILL COME UNDER JUDGMENT.
00:39:42.76\00:39:46.00
>> THE AMERICAN SOCIETY BECAME
GREAT BECAUSE IT WAS BASED
00:39:46.00\00:39:50.13
BASICALLY UPON THE SCRIPTURES.
00:39:50.13\00:39:52.93
I'M NOT TALKING
ABOUT A THEOCRACY.
00:39:52.93\00:39:56.96
BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
IS THAT THE PIONEERS OF THIS
00:39:56.96\00:39:59.96
COUNTRY, MOST OF THEM SEEMED
TO HAVE A HEALTHY RESPECT FOR
00:39:59.96\00:40:03.56
GOD AND A HEALTHY RESPECT
FOR THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
00:40:03.56\00:40:07.73
>> WELL, WE UNDERSTOOD
ANYWAY THAT THE MORAL FOUNDATION
00:40:07.73\00:40:11.63
OF OUR LAWS WAS
BASED ON THE LAW OF GOD.
00:40:11.63\00:40:14.93
>> YES, AND THIS HAS BEEN
TRADITIONAL WITH GREAT NATIONS
00:40:14.93\00:40:18.80
FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
00:40:18.80\00:40:21.90
AND SO YOU'RE TELLING ME
TODAY THAT THE ROMAN EMPIRE WENT
00:40:21.90\00:40:24.86
DOWNHILL BECAUSE
OF MORAL DECADENCE.
00:40:24.86\00:40:27.70
AND THIS HAS INVADED AMERICA
00:40:27.70\00:40:29.13
AND EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO
EXPRESS HIS VIEWPOINT EXCEPT THE
00:40:31.83\00:40:38.03
VIEWPOINT THAT WE BELIEVE THAT
GOD HAS GIVEN US CERTAIN MORAL
00:40:38.03\00:40:43.00
TRUTHS.
00:40:43.00\00:40:44.03
AND AS CHRISTIANS, WE HAVE
THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THOSE MORAL
00:40:44.03\00:40:47.86
TRUTHS AND THE RIGHT TO
DEFEND TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE.
00:40:47.86\00:40:51.86
>> YOU KNOW, I DO
A LECTURE ENTITLED--
00:40:51.86\00:40:54.56
>> YOU BELIEVE THAT, DON'T YOU?
00:40:54.56\00:40:55.80
>> YES, JOHN.
00:40:55.80\00:40:56.53
>> WE HAVE THE
RIGHT TO DEFEND THAT.
00:40:56.53\00:40:58.80
>> WHAT YOU NEED TO
UNDERSTAND IS LEGALLY TODAY,
00:40:58.80\00:41:02.06
AT LEAST HERE IN CALIFORNIA,
AND INCREASINGLY INFLUENCING
00:41:02.06\00:41:05.93
IN OTHER STATES, HOMOSEXUALITY
HAS BEEN EQUATED WITH RACE.
00:41:05.93\00:41:11.10
AND SO IF YOU DISCRIMINATE ON
THE BASIS OF--YOU KNOW, IF YOU
00:41:11.10\00:41:16.43
DISCRIMINATE AGAINST
GAYS, WHICH CHRISTIAN BELIEF
00:41:16.43\00:41:20.53
IS CONSIDERED DISCRIMINATORY,
IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN
00:41:20.53\00:41:24.46
INSTITUTION AND YOU WANT TO
EMPLOY PEOPLE OF YOUR OWN FAITH
00:41:24.46\00:41:27.86
TO REPRESENT YOUR VALUES TO
THE WORLD AND IF YOU DISCIPLINE
00:41:29.60\00:41:33.86
OR REFUSE TO HIRE A GAY PERSON
'CAUSE THEY DON'T REFLECT YOUR
00:41:33.86\00:41:37.13
FAITH, YOU'RE DISCRIMINATORY
AND YOU CAN BE SHUT DOWN.
00:41:37.13\00:41:41.36
>> YOU CAN BE SHUT DOWN?
00:41:41.36\00:41:42.63
>> WELL, IN
BOSTON AND SAN FRANCISCO,
00:41:42.63\00:41:45.86
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC
CHURCH WAS FORCED TO CLOSE THEIR
00:41:45.86\00:41:49.63
ADOPTION AGENCIES BECAUSE
THE CITY ORDINANCES REQUIRING
00:41:49.63\00:41:53.73
NON-DISCRIMINATION SAID THEY HAD
TO SERVE GAY COUPLES THAT SOUGHT
00:41:53.73\00:41:58.00
ADOPTION.
00:41:58.00\00:41:58.96
AND MORALLY, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
DECIDED THEY COULD NOT GO ALONG
00:41:58.96\00:42:05.56
WITH THAT.
00:42:05.56\00:42:06.50
AND SO THEY HAD A CHOICE.
00:42:06.50\00:42:09.03
EITHER SHUT DOWN OR--
>> OR COMPROMISE THEIR
00:42:09.03\00:42:12.56
PRINCIPLES.
00:42:12.56\00:42:13.26
>> OR COMPROMISE
THEIR PRINCIPLES.
00:42:13.26\00:42:14.73
>> DID THEY
APPEAL TO THE COURTS?
00:42:14.73\00:42:16.93
>> NO, NEITHER ONE OF
THESE CASES WENT TO COURT.
00:42:16.93\00:42:19.90
THEY SIMPLY CLOSED DOWN
THEIR ADOPTION SERVICES.
00:42:19.90\00:42:23.30
IN BOSTON, CATHOLIC CHARITIES
WAS DOING 75% OF THE ADOPTIONS.
00:42:23.30\00:42:28.06
I MEAN, WHO'S HURT?
00:42:28.06\00:42:29.16
THE KIDS ARE THE
ONES WHO ARE HURT.
00:42:29.16\00:42:31.56
AND MIND YOU, IF THE
STATE POLICY IS TO PERMIT GAYS
00:42:31.56\00:42:36.76
TO ADOPT, WHICH IT HAS
EVERY RIGHT TO MAKE THAT POLICY,
00:42:36.76\00:42:41.36
THEN THE STATE CAN FUND AGENCIES
THAT WILL PROVIDE THOSE ADOPTION
00:42:41.36\00:42:45.63
SERVICES.
00:42:45.63\00:42:46.33
THEY DON'T HAVE TO TWIST THE
ARM OF THE CHURCH TO DO THEIR
00:42:46.33\00:42:49.93
BUSINESS FOR THEM IN VIOLATION
OF THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE.
00:42:49.93\00:42:53.80
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN EITHER/OR.
00:42:53.80\00:42:57.56
WE CAN HAVE RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
AND STILL RESPECT THE RIGHT
00:42:57.56\00:43:01.43
OF GAY PEOPLE.
00:43:01.43\00:43:02.80
>> WE SHOULD SAY TO THE AUDIENCE
WATCHING WE BELIEVE IN LOVING
00:43:02.80\00:43:06.56
GAYS.
00:43:06.56\00:43:07.96
WE BELIEVE THEY'RE CHILDREN
OF GOD AND WE BELIEVE IN
00:43:07.96\00:43:11.20
RESPECTING THEM AND WE DO
NOT BELIEVE IN DISCRIMINATION.
00:43:11.20\00:43:15.26
BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS
THIS: WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE GOT
00:43:15.26\00:43:18.96
CERTAIN RIGHTS ALSO.
00:43:18.96\00:43:21.13
>> AND THE TRADITIONAL RELIGIOUS
BELIEFS OF ISLAM, OF JUDAISM,
00:43:21.13\00:43:26.43
OF CHRISTIANITY ARE ALL THAT
MARRIAGE--THAT HUMAN SEXUALITY
00:43:26.43\00:43:31.53
IS EXPRESSED WITHIN
THE CONTEXT OF MARRIAGE.
00:43:31.53\00:43:33.93
BUT THIS VIEW IS NOW REGARDED
BY THE FEDERAL COURTS AND THE
00:43:33.93\00:43:38.53
CALIFORNIA COURTS
AS DISCRIMINATORY.
00:43:38.53\00:43:41.70
>> TELL ME THAT AGAIN BECAUSE
THAT'S--YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE
00:43:41.70\00:43:45.26
THAT WE LIVE IN A LAND
OF--WE LIVE IN A LAND OF FREEDOM
00:43:45.26\00:43:48.83
AND YOU'RE TELLING ME NOW THAT
THE COURTS ARE GOING TO RESPECT
00:43:48.83\00:43:52.53
THE RIGHTS OF EVERYBODY EXCEPT
THOSE WHO BELIEVE THE BIBLE
00:43:52.53\00:43:56.50
IN AMERICA.
00:43:56.50\00:43:58.43
>> INCREASINGLY, EQUALITY AND
INCLUSIVENESS MEANS EQUALITY AND
00:43:58.43\00:44:03.16
INCLUSIVENESS FOR EVERYBODY BUT
TRADITIONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
00:44:03.16\00:44:07.43
AND THOSE WHO HOLD TO
THEM, WHETHER JEWISH, CHRISTIAN,
00:44:07.43\00:44:10.16
OR ISLAMIC.
00:44:10.16\00:44:12.56
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, JOHN--
>> GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES.
00:44:12.56\00:44:15.26
>> LET'S SAY YOU WERE
TEACHING AT ONE OF OUR GREAT
00:44:15.26\00:44:18.63
CHRISTIAN INSTITUTIONS
AT PACIFIC UNION COLLEGE,
00:44:18.63\00:44:21.26
SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST COLLEGE.
00:44:21.26\00:44:22.93
AND, NOW, TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT
ACCUSING ANYBODY OF ANYTHING,
00:44:22.93\00:44:26.93
BUT SUPPOSING THAT YOU
WERE TERMINATED BECAUSE YOU WERE
00:44:26.93\00:44:30.33
FOUND GUILTY OF THE GARDEN
VARIETY OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT,
00:44:30.33\00:44:34.50
ADULTERY WITH A WOMAN.
00:44:34.50\00:44:36.70
AND SO YOU WERE TERMINATED.
00:44:36.70\00:44:39.90
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE ANY
LEGAL CLAIM TO BRING AGAINST THE
00:44:39.90\00:44:43.10
COLLEGE FOR DISCRIMINATION.
00:44:43.10\00:44:44.80
THE COLLEGE HAS A RIGHT TO HOLD
ITS FACULTY TO ITS CHRISTIAN
00:44:44.80\00:44:49.70
STANDARDS REGARDING
SEXUAL ACT--YOU KNOW, MARRIAGE
00:44:49.70\00:44:53.86
AND SEXUAL ACTIVITY.
00:44:53.86\00:44:54.96
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF
YOU WERE TERMINATED BECAUSE
00:44:54.96\00:45:00.16
YOUR MISCONDUCT WAS NOT WITH
A WOMAN, BUT WITH ANOTHER MAN,
00:45:00.16\00:45:05.56
THE WAY THAT THE LAWS ARE GOING,
UNDER THE RATIONALE OF WHAT THE
00:45:05.56\00:45:09.90
COURTS ARE SAYING, YOU
WOULD BE ABLE TO SUE AND GET
00:45:09.90\00:45:12.96
YOUR JOB BACK.
00:45:12.96\00:45:14.13
AND IF THE SCHOOL DIDN'T CHANGE
ITS POLICIES AND PRACTICES,
00:45:14.13\00:45:17.80
IT COULD BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS
BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE MORE EQUAL
00:45:17.80\00:45:22.96
AS A HOMOSEXUAL
THAN AS A HETEROSEXUAL.
00:45:22.96\00:45:25.30
>> SO EVERYBODY'S GOT THE RIGHT
00:45:25.30\00:45:26.76
TO HIS OPINION EXCEPT THOSE WHO
HAVE GOT AN OPINION THAT'S BASED
00:45:28.06\00:45:31.96
ON THE BIBLE.
00:45:31.96\00:45:33.73
THIS IS GROSS
BIGOTRY THEN, ISN'T IT?
00:45:33.73\00:45:35.86
>> IT IS GROSS BIGOTRY.
00:45:35.86\00:45:37.10
>> IT'S BIGOTRY ON
BEHALF OF THE MINORITY.
00:45:37.10\00:45:40.16
>> AND UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THE
UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HELD
00:45:40.16\00:45:44.20
THAT THIS CHRISTIAN STUDENT
CLUB, CHRISTIAN LEGAL SOCIETY
00:45:44.20\00:45:47.30
CLUB WAS PROPERLY EXCLUDED AS
A STUDENT CLUB BY THE STATE--THE
00:45:47.30\00:45:56.96
LAW SCHOOL'S
NONDISCRIMINATION POLICY.
00:45:56.96\00:46:00.90
IT WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE
POLICY AND THEREFORE THE SCHOOL
00:46:00.90\00:46:04.76
WAS RIGHT NOT TO RECOGNIZE IT.
00:46:04.76\00:46:06.80
>> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS?
00:46:06.80\00:46:08.80
>> THIS IS A VERY--THIS IS THE
MOST SERIOUS RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
00:46:08.80\00:46:12.23
ISSUE THAT WE HAVE FACED
BECAUSE IT REALLY THREATENS--
00:46:12.23\00:46:15.00
>> NOT THE MOSQUE IN NEW YORK.
00:46:15.00\00:46:17.86
>> YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN EMOTIONAL
00:46:15.00\00:46:17.86
ISSUE. THIS IS WHERE
THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
00:46:19.06\00:46:22.53
DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A CHRISTIAN
SCHOOL TO SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO,
00:46:22.53\00:46:25.80
A CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY?
00:46:25.80\00:46:27.26
WHAT ABOUT CHILD CARE?
00:46:27.26\00:46:28.73
WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
SENIOR CITIZEN'S HOMES?
00:46:28.73\00:46:34.06
WHAT ABOUT CHARITIES THAT
THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES OPERATE?
00:46:34.06\00:46:37.03
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE CHRISTIAN
ORGANIZATIONS IN SOCIETY,
00:46:37.03\00:46:40.70
THEY'RE BEING
THREATENED RIGHT NOW.
00:46:40.70\00:46:43.06
WHAT ABOUT
CHRISTIANS IN THE PROFESSIONS?
00:46:43.06\00:46:46.13
PSYCHOLOGISTS, SOCIAL WORKERS.
00:46:46.13\00:46:48.23
DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE TWO CASES
PENDING IN THE COURTS RIGHT NOW,
00:46:48.23\00:46:51.26
JOHN, WHERE STUDENTS,
GRADUATE STUDENTS WERE KICKED
00:46:51.26\00:46:55.10
OUT OF THEIR PROGRAM BECAUSE
THEY WOULD NOT ACCEPT THE
00:46:55.10\00:46:59.43
ORTHODOX VIEW IN THE SCHOOL
THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS MORAL?
00:46:59.43\00:47:05.60
>> SO THEY WERE KICKED OUT.
00:47:05.60\00:47:06.63
>> THEY WERE KICKED OUT.
00:47:06.63\00:47:08.00
>> AND THAT'S NOT
DISCRIMINATION, IS IT?
00:47:08.00\00:47:09.86
>> WELL, I THINK IT IS.
00:47:09.86\00:47:11.00
>> OF COURSE IT IS.
00:47:11.00\00:47:11.76
>> AND THEY'RE SUING.
00:47:11.76\00:47:12.90
IN ONE CASE, SOMEONE IN
A COUNSELING PROGRAM WAS
00:47:12.90\00:47:16.70
SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED
TO COUNSEL A GAY COUPLE.
00:47:16.70\00:47:21.13
AND WHEN THEY REFUSED TO
DO IT, THEY WERE KICKED OUT.
00:47:21.13\00:47:24.80
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
PERSONALLY AMAZES ME IS THE
00:47:24.80\00:47:28.40
INTOLERANCE ON THE CAMPUSES
OF MANY AMERICAN UNIVERSITIES.
00:47:28.40\00:47:33.23
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING
EXCEPT THE THINGS THAT ARE
00:47:33.23\00:47:36.26
POLITICALLY INCORRECT.
00:47:36.26\00:47:38.50
AND THIS TOPIC IS
POLITICALLY INCORRECT.
00:47:38.50\00:47:42.56
>> THAT'S TRUE. THERE HAVE
BEEN BATTLES OVER SPEECH CODES.
00:47:42.56\00:47:46.46
>> EVERYBODY HAS GOT THE RIGHT,
BUT NO, NO, YOU BETTER NOT TALK
00:47:46.46\00:47:49.23
ABOUT THIS AND YOU BETTER
NOT TALK ABOUT CHRISTIAN VALUES
00:47:49.23\00:47:53.13
BECAUSE THAT'S TABOO.
00:47:53.13\00:47:54.80
>> IT'S AMAZING THAT THE VALUES
OF INCLUSIVENESS AND EQUALITY
00:47:54.80\00:47:59.63
SEEM TO EXCLUDE
RELIGIOUS VALUES.
00:47:59.63\00:48:03.50
>> YEAH.
00:48:03.50\00:48:04.56
>> AND SO I--YOU KNOW,
I HAVE A LECTURE ENTITLED
00:48:04.56\00:48:06.66
"WAKE UP AND
SMELL THE EQUALITY."
00:48:06.66\00:48:08.76
'CAUSE EQUALITY, YOU KNOW, ISN'T
WHAT IT'S ALL CUT OUT TO BE.
00:48:08.76\00:48:13.50
>> TELL ME HOW CHRISTIAN
INSTITUTIONS--TALK ABOUT MORE.
00:48:13.50\00:48:18.50
TELL ME MORE ABOUT THIS,
HOW CHRISTIAN INSTITUTIONS,
00:48:18.50\00:48:22.23
COLLEGES, ARE BEING ADVERSELY
IMPACTED BY THESE POLICIES?
00:48:22.23\00:48:27.50
>> LET ME FIRST
EXPLAIN IT THIS WAY, JOHN.
00:48:27.50\00:48:31.60
SUPPOSING THAT YOU WERE A WHITE
SUPREMACIST GROUP AND YOU WANTED
00:48:31.60\00:48:39.10
TO RUN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
AND HIRE ONLY WHITES AND ADMIT
00:48:39.10\00:48:43.40
ONLY WHITE STUDENTS.
00:48:43.40\00:48:46.53
YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.
00:48:46.53\00:48:47.90
SOONER OR LATER-- >>
THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW.
00:48:47.90\00:48:50.56
>> WELL, IF YOU PULLED THE
WOOL OVER THE EYES OF THE TAXING
00:48:50.56\00:48:54.86
AUTHORITIES AND MANAGED
TO GET YOUR TAX-EXEMPT STATUS
00:48:54.86\00:48:58.23
AND TO START OPERATIONS,
SOONER OR LATER SOMEBODY WOULD
00:48:58.23\00:49:01.80
CATCH ONTO WHAT YOU'RE DOING
AND A LAWSUIT WOULD COME UP
00:49:01.80\00:49:05.76
AND YOU'D BE SUED
FOR DISCRIMINATING.
00:49:05.76\00:49:08.80
AND YOU'D HAVE TO STOP
DISCRIMINATING AS PART OF THE
00:49:08.80\00:49:12.03
RESOLUTION OF THAT LAWSUIT
OR ELSE YOU'D BE SHUT DOWN.
00:49:12.03\00:49:15.76
YOU CAN'T EXIST.
00:49:15.76\00:49:17.10
>> YOU'VE GOT TO OPEN THE DOORS
TO EVERY PERSON, IN OTHER WORDS.
00:49:17.10\00:49:19.93
>> OKAY, IF YOU UNDERSTAND
THAT INCREASINGLY--I MEAN,
00:49:19.93\00:49:23.86
CALIFORNIA'S VERY CLEAR.
00:49:23.86\00:49:25.53
HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE
SAME LEGAL STATUS AS RACE.
00:49:25.53\00:49:29.53
IT'S NOT GONNA
STAY ONLY IN CALIFORNIA.
00:49:29.53\00:49:32.10
AND SO THE IMPLICATION IS IF
YOU CAN OPERATE A RACIST SCHOOL,
00:49:32.10\00:49:38.76
THEN YOU CAN OPERATE A SCHOOL
BASED ON BIBLICAL TEACHINGS
00:49:38.76\00:49:42.10
ABOUT MARRIAGE AND
HUMAN SEXUALITY AND DEAL WITH
00:49:42.10\00:49:48.16
HOMOSEXUAL CONDUCT
AS A DISCIPLINE ISSUE.
00:49:48.16\00:49:51.03
BUT IF IT'S ILLEGAL
DISCRIMINATION, THEN YOU CAN'T.
00:49:51.03\00:49:55.50
AND THAT WAS THE POINT I MADE
IN MY LITTLE HYPOTHETICAL ABOUT
00:49:55.50\00:49:58.93
YOU AS A FACULTY
MEMBER AT A COLLEGE.
00:49:58.93\00:50:00.60
IT WILL BE ILLEGAL FOR A
COLLEGE OR A CHURCH OR ANY OTHER
00:50:02.80\00:50:09.03
CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION TO UPHOLD
ITS BIBLICAL STANDARDS OF HUMAN
00:50:09.03\00:50:14.03
SEXUALITY.
00:50:14.03\00:50:15.10
>> HERE WE ARE AT
THE CARTER REPORT.
00:50:15.10\00:50:16.76
WE ARE A CONSERVATIVE
CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION.
00:50:16.76\00:50:19.73
WE TAKE THE BIBLE
AS THE WORD OF GOD.
00:50:19.73\00:50:25.96
WE WOULD BE FORCED TO EMPLOY
PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT
00:50:25.96\00:50:31.33
CORE VALUE TO US.
00:50:31.33\00:50:34.26
WE WOULD BE FORCED TO EMPLOY,
SAY, PEOPLE WHO OPENLY PRACTICE
00:50:34.26\00:50:37.96
HOMOSEXUALITY.
00:50:37.96\00:50:39.50
>> YOU KNOW, IT
MIGHT NEVER HAPPEN.
00:50:39.50\00:50:41.40
YOU MIGHT NEVER
HAVE AN EMPLOYEE--
00:50:41.40\00:50:43.36
>> BUT IT COULD HAPPEN.
00:50:43.36\00:50:44.23
>> IT CERTAINLY COULD.
00:50:44.23\00:50:45.30
>> AND IT IS HAPPENING, IS IT?
00:50:44.23\00:50:45.30
>> SUPPOSING YOU HAD A
JOB OPENING FOR A SECRETARY.
00:50:46.80\00:50:49.90
>> YEAH.
00:50:49.90\00:50:50.96
>> AND IT TURNS OUT THAT,
YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO APPLIES
00:50:50.96\00:50:55.86
SAYS, "YOU KNOW, I REALLY
LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT,
00:50:55.86\00:50:58.90
YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU HIRE ME?
00:50:58.90\00:51:00.26
BECAUSE I'M A LESBIAN."
00:51:00.26\00:51:03.40
IF YOU DIDN'T HIRE THEM,
AND IT COULD BE THAT YOU DIDN'T
00:51:03.40\00:51:06.36
HIRE THEM BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T
THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON
00:51:06.36\00:51:08.83
FOR THE JOB.
00:51:08.83\00:51:09.96
>> MAYBE THEY
COULDN'T USE A COMPUTER.
00:51:09.96\00:51:12.06
>> MAYBE YOU JUST
HAD A BETTER CANDIDATE.
00:51:12.06\00:51:13.86
BUT IF THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS
BECAUSE THEY--YOU KNEW THAT SHE
00:51:13.86\00:51:17.90
WAS A LESBIAN, SHE WOULD SUE
AND YOU'D HAVE EXPOSURE THERE.
00:51:17.90\00:51:23.60
AND AT MINIMUM, THE COURT'S
GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO CHANGE
00:51:23.60\00:51:27.20
YOUR POLICIES AND YOUR PRACTICES
TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU DON'T
00:51:27.20\00:51:30.53
DISCRIMINATE.
00:51:30.53\00:51:31.46
>> SO HERE IN AMERICA, WHERE
WE BELIEVE IN RELIGIOUS FREEDOM,
00:51:31.46\00:51:35.16
THE COURTS NOW AND THE
GOVERNMENT, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT
00:51:35.16\00:51:38.53
TO COME TO US AND THEY
SAY, "YOU'VE GOT TO VIOLATE YOUR
00:51:38.53\00:51:41.60
RELIGIOUS BELIEFS TO
CONFORM TO OUR STATE LAW."
00:51:41.60\00:51:45.00
>> THAT'S CORRECT. ONE CAVEAT.
00:51:45.00\00:51:47.16
UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVEN'T
COMPLETELY FALLEN OFF A CLIFF
00:51:47.16\00:51:52.20
YET.
00:51:52.20\00:51:53.03
YOU KNOW, THE LAWS HAVE NOT
UNIFORMLY AROUND THE COUNTRY
00:51:53.03\00:51:56.80
GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE
COMPLETELY LOST OUR RELIGIOUS
00:51:56.80\00:51:59.66
FREEDOM.
00:51:59.66\00:52:00.50
THE PRINCIPLES THAT THE COURTS
ARE STARTING TO APPLY WILL LEAD
00:52:00.50\00:52:06.06
THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
00:52:06.06\00:52:08.60
WE'VE SEEN SOME
INSTITUTIONS CLOSE.
00:52:08.60\00:52:11.23
WE'VE SEEN CASES WHERE
TAX-EXEMPT STATUS OF RELIGIOUS
00:52:11.23\00:52:15.30
ORGANIZATIONS IS CHALLENGED.
00:52:15.30\00:52:16.93
>> GIVE ME SOME INSTITUTIONS.
00:52:16.93\00:52:18.16
>> WELL, I MENTIONED
THE TWO ADOPTION AGENCIES,
00:52:18.16\00:52:20.83
CATHOLIC ADOPTION.
00:52:20.83\00:52:22.00
BUT WE HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT
CASE THAT WE'RE ALL WATCHING
00:52:22.00\00:52:25.20
CLOSELY IN NEW JERSEY.
00:52:25.20\00:52:26.80
METHODIST CAMP MEETING
PROPERTY ON THE JERSEY SHORE,
00:52:26.80\00:52:29.66
BEAUTIFUL PLACE, OCEAN GROVE,
A GREAT SPOT FOR WEDDINGS.
00:52:29.66\00:52:34.70
SAME SEX COUPLE
WANTED TO HAVE A CIVIL UNION,
00:52:34.70\00:52:37.30
A COMMITMENT CEREMONY.
00:52:37.30\00:52:38.93
AND THE CAMP MEETING DECIDED
THEY COULD NOT CONDONE THAT.
00:52:38.93\00:52:43.30
THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT ON
THEIR PROPERTY. INITIALLY--
00:52:43.30\00:52:46.13
>> THAT'S THEIR RIGHT, ISN'T IT?
00:52:46.13\00:52:47.36
>> IT OUGHT TO BE.
00:52:47.36\00:52:48.30
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
00:52:48.30\00:52:49.60
AMEN.
00:52:49.60\00:52:50.66
>> BUT INITIALLY, THEY
WERE--THEY LOST A PORTION
00:52:50.66\00:52:53.76
OF THEIR REAL
PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION.
00:52:53.76\00:52:56.30
THEY WERE FINED BY THE STATE
HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION AND
00:52:56.30\00:52:59.26
THESE THINGS ARE
PENDING IN COURT.
00:52:59.26\00:53:01.10
THEY'RE DEFENDING THEIR RIGHT
AS A RELIGIOUS PROPERTY OWNER TO
00:53:01.10\00:53:06.30
SAY, "NO, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE
A SAME SEX COUPLE SOLEMNIZING
00:53:06.30\00:53:13.10
THEIR
RELATIONSHIP ON OUR PROPERTY."
00:53:13.10\00:53:15.83
>> NOW YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY.
00:53:15.83\00:53:18.73
YOU'RE INTO
RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ISSUES.
00:53:18.73\00:53:20.83
WHERE DO YOU SEE IT GOING?
00:53:20.83\00:53:22.80
>> WE HAVE THIS
CULTURE WAR RAGING, JOHN.
00:53:22.80\00:53:26.46
THE PENDULUM RIGHT NOW IS
SWINGING TOWARDS THE SECULAR
00:53:26.46\00:53:29.40
SIDE, IN FAVOR OF GAY
MARRIAGE, IN FAVOR OF THE GAYS.
00:53:29.40\00:53:33.86
>> THE VERY CHARACTER
OF AMERICA IS CHANGING.
00:53:33.86\00:53:37.63
>> AND IT--AND THE VERY AMERICAN
CIVILIZATION IS AT RISK.
00:53:37.63\00:53:42.83
NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THE
PENDULUM'S GOING TO KEEP GOING.
00:53:42.83\00:53:45.73
IF IT DOES, THE CHURCHES
CAN EXPECT TO LOSE THEIR RIGHTS
00:53:45.73\00:53:50.06
AND FREEDOM.
00:53:50.06\00:53:50.80
>> WHO CAN STOP THE
SWING OF THE PENDULUM?
00:53:50.80\00:53:53.33
>> WELL, THE PROBLEM IS THAT
SATAN LOVES TO PLAY BOTH SIDES.
00:53:53.33\00:53:58.10
AND SO THE RIGHT HAS A TENDENCY
TO BECOME THAT MUCH MORE
00:53:58.10\00:54:02.73
INTOLERANT AND WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN IT'S A BATTLE BETWEEN, SAY,
00:54:02.73\00:54:07.00
THE CHRISTIANS AND THE
GAYS, THE GOSPEL IS THE ULTIMATE
00:54:07.00\00:54:11.86
VICTIM, IS THE LOSER BECAUSE
THE CHRISTIANS COMPLETELY LOSE
00:54:11.86\00:54:16.06
THE ABILITY TO SHOW THE LOVE
OF CHRIST TO THE GAY COMMUNITY
00:54:16.06\00:54:20.70
'CAUSE THEY'RE
TOO BUSY FIGHTING IT.
00:54:20.70\00:54:22.33
>> CHRISTIANS
MUST LOVE THE GAYS.
00:54:22.33\00:54:24.56
>> JESUS DIDN'T SAY, "I
JUST DIED FOR THE RIGHTEOUS
00:54:24.56\00:54:27.70
OR FOR THE
PROTESTANTS OR FOR THE LUTHERANS
00:54:27.70\00:54:29.90
OR FOR THE ADVENTISTS."
00:54:29.90\00:54:32.33
JESUS DIED TO SAVE THE WORLD.
00:54:32.33\00:54:35.80
>> ABSOLUTELY.
00:54:35.80\00:54:36.90
>> AND LAST I LOOKED,
GAYS ARE PART OF THIS WORLD.
00:54:36.90\00:54:39.53
>> ABSOLUTELY.
00:54:39.53\00:54:40.23
>> THEY'RE PEOPLE
THAT JESUS DIED FOR.
00:54:40.23\00:54:42.50
AND SO OUR FIRST OBLIGATION
IS NOT TO PROTECT THEIR OWN
00:54:42.50\00:54:46.10
FREEDOMS, AS MUCH
AS WE WANT TO DO THAT.
00:54:46.10\00:54:48.86
IT IS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL
TO EVERYONE AND NOT TO EXCLUDE
00:54:48.86\00:54:53.40
ANYONE FROM THE LOVE OF CHRIST.
00:54:53.40\00:54:55.20
>> AND GET AWAY FROM THE
ATTITUDE OF BEING BIGOTED.
00:54:55.20\00:54:58.80
>> RIGHT.
00:54:58.80\00:54:59.43
>> WE DON'T WANT TO BE BIGOTED.
00:54:59.43\00:55:01.86
>> BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A
VERY, VERY SERIOUS RISK THAT OUR
00:55:01.86\00:55:05.56
LIBERTIES WILL BE LOST.
00:55:05.56\00:55:06.96
>> WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
00:55:06.96\00:55:08.06
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
WATCHING THE TELEVISION PROGRAM,
00:55:08.06\00:55:10.23
WHAT SHOULD YOU DO?
00:55:10.23\00:55:12.03
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
00:55:12.03\00:55:13.16
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A RELIGIOUS
LIBERTY ORGANIZATION CALLED
00:55:13.16\00:55:14.73
THE NORTH AMERICAN
RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ASSOCIATION.
00:55:15.83\00:55:18.66
OUR WEB SITE IS
RELIGIOUSLIBERTY.INFO.
00:55:18.66\00:55:22.90
WE HAVE TO BE
INFORMED AND GET INVOLVED.
00:55:22.90\00:55:25.26
WE'VE GOT TO STAND UP FOR OUR
FREEDOMS AND BE RESPONSIBLE WITH
00:55:25.26\00:55:30.26
THE RIGHTS OF CITIZENSHIP.
00:55:30.26\00:55:32.00
OTHERWISE, WE HAVE NO BUSINESS
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LOSS OF
00:55:32.00\00:55:33.63
OUR FREEDOMS IF WE'RE NOT GONNA
00:55:33.63\00:55:35.63
STAND UP WHEN THERE ARE
OPPORTUNITIES TO GET INVOLVED
00:55:37.43\00:55:41.20
TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO
ARE WORKING ON THESE ISSUES.
00:55:41.20\00:55:44.60
WE--FIRST OF ALL, WE
NEED TO EDUCATE OURSELVES.
00:55:44.60\00:55:48.46
AND THEN THERE ARE
OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THINGS.
00:55:48.46\00:55:52.60
>> I THINK WE NEED TWO THINGS.
00:55:52.60\00:55:55.03
WE NEED THE LOVE OF GOD IN OUR
HEARTS SO WE'RE GONNA LOVE EVERY
00:55:55.03\00:55:57.93
PERSON.
00:55:57.93\00:55:58.93
WE'VE GOT TO LOVE
OUR ENEMIES AS OURSELVES.
00:55:58.93\00:56:01.63
ONLY THE GRACE OF GOD,
ALAN, CAN MAKE YOU LIKE THAT
00:56:01.63\00:56:04.86
AND MAKE ME LIKE THAT.
00:56:04.86\00:56:06.23
BUT WE'VE GOT TO
STAND FOR THE TRUTH.
00:56:06.23\00:56:08.10
>> WE DO.
00:56:08.10\00:56:09.13
>> WE HAD A LITTLE LADY WHO USED
TO PREACH IN OUR CHURCH AND SHE
00:56:09.13\00:56:12.13
SAID, "YOU'VE GOT TO STAND FOR
THE TRUTH SO THE HEAVENS FALL."
00:56:12.13\00:56:17.26
AND SO WE'VE GOT TO BE LOVING,
BUT WE'VE GOT TO STAND UP
00:56:17.26\00:56:19.06
FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.
00:56:19.06\00:56:20.33
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING
YOU TO DO TODAY, DEAR FRIEND.
00:56:23.03\00:56:26.46
STAND UP FOR JESUS.
00:56:26.46\00:56:28.36
HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOUR
HEART, BUT STAND FOR THE TRUTH
00:56:28.36\00:56:33.03
OF GOD, EVEN
THOUGH THE HEAVENS FALL.
00:56:33.03\00:56:36.43
AND IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE,
ALAN, HAVING YOU WITH US TODAY.
00:56:36.43\00:56:39.63
MAY GOD BLESS YOU IN YOUR WORK.
00:56:39.63\00:56:42.66
AND MAY GOD
BLESS YOU TOO, FRIEND.
00:56:42.66\00:56:44.60
PLEASE WRITE TO ME.
00:56:44.60\00:56:45.13
JOHN CARTER
POST OFFICE BOX 1900,
00:56:45.13\00:56:48.03
THOUSAND OAKS,
CALIFORNIA, 91358.
00:56:48.03\00:56:51.23
IN AUSTRALIA,
WRITE TO ME AT TERRIGAL.
00:56:51.23\00:56:53.66
MAY GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU.
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