Are you or someone that you love
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struggling with
same sex attraction?
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And are you looking for answers?
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If so don't move,
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you've just got to watch
this last edition of Coming Out.
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Welcome to part 13
of a 13 part series
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called Coming Out,
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dealing with
very important issues
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that you need to know,
that we all need to know,
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that the world
needs to understand
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based on the Bible
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and based on the message
of the love of Jesus Christ.
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We have covered so much
ground in the last 12 programs
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and we've decided to
put this all together
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at the very end with a
program called Help Me.
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Because lot of
people are looking for help.
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I need help in my life.
You need help in your life.
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There is a verse in the Bible
in Psalm 46:1 which says that,
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"God is our
refuge and our strength
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and a very present
help in time of trouble."
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God has helped me, He
has helped so many people
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and He wants to help you
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and one of the ways
that He helps people
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is through other people,
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and so we're going to
focus on some resources
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that you need to know
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that will be
very valuable for you.
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And so you might want to grab
a pen or pencil or your laptop,
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get in front of your laptop
if you want to start typing
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or some of you might have voice
recognition apps on your phone,
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you can just
talk into your phone.
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But the point is to get
ready to take some notes.
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And if you don't have any notes
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and if you just
don't want to do that
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you can always get the DVD
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because all the
information will be there.
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I'm here again
with, Mike Carducci,
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and Wayne Blakely.
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They are two of
the five cofounders
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of Coming Out Ministries
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and we want to
look to them and see
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what they've got as far
as resources to help people
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that are struggling
with same sex attraction
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and multiple
issues that we've been
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thoughtfully and
openly and honestly
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discussing for
the last 12 programs.
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So, gentleman,
again it's been great
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and thank you for
being with me and with us.
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All of us,
there's a lot of people
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that have been watching
this and will be watching
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and looking to
you for resources.
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I would like to
start with an email
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that I received
not too long ago,
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that really touched my heart.
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And I won't say who the
person was who wrote this.
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But anyway it says,
"Dear, Pastor Steve,
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just this past week my
daughter revealed to me
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that she is in
love with another woman.
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She left the man
she has lived with
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and now she is in a relationship
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with this woman.
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Can you direct me
to some source of help
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to understand this situation?
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I'm very sad over this
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but I have assured my daughter
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that my love
for her is the same.
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Her early years she grew up
in the strong Christian home
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when she was, and
he mentions her age
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when she was little girl.
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Her mother left and she
grew up in various homes
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none of which were good.
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I was powerless
because her mother had custody.
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But I stayed true to God
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and I tried to
set a good example.
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Then he goes on and talks
about how this little girl,
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she grow up in and
she was even as a teenager
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I'm assuming she was very
active in serving the Lord.
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She was going door to
door selling books about Jesus
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and then he says and now this.
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Do you have any
suggestions for me?
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And then he gives his name.
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You know, when I
read that I thought wow.
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You know, what would I do?
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How would I feel if it
was my daughter or my son?
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And there's lot
of people out there
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that are struggling with this.
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Not just people that are
going through their own issues
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but the parents who
are trying to figure out
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what do I do to
relate to my child.
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So I want to look to you,
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both of you to give us resources
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that people need and
you've got a lot of them.
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So, Wayne, why don't
you just start out with,
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share what's on your heart.
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Well first, Steve, I just
want to say thank you very much
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for this incredible opportunity
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and what we've found
over these past several days
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of filming here is
that you're on the same page
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as just we're and
that's this page--
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Yeah, the Bible.
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The Bible and so
what we share today
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and what we want to
help people see today
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is that God has all the answers
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so that's the
number one resource.
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When I grew,
there weren't anybody,
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there weren't any resources
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to tell me how to
deal with my feelings
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and that's what is
driving a lot of people
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to make decisions like
the one that you just read.
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That's why in a marriage
you might leave the partners
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because if you
stuff your feelings
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your whole life you get,
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you get tired at
some point of stuffing
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and you just
finally come out and say
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that's it I'm
gay I'm out of here.
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But if we have resources today
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that help us understand
God's word that would really,
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we believe
that's really helpful.
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So number one, I would
say that that we're available,
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we're so very available to
share with you our testimony
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either
collectively or individually.
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Revelation 12:11 says
that they overcame him,
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the enemy by the
word of their testimony
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and by the blood of the lamb.
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And so we can go in,
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you probably have been sparked
with a few more questions
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as you've watched
these individual programs
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and we're available to come
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and to go more in depth
on this topic of freedom--
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And that applies to you
and Mike and Pastor Ron as well
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who is not here right
now but in spirit he is.
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That's right.
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He's available
too for presentations.
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Yeah, the very next
resource is this series
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that you're watching right now,
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it will be
available for purchase.
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So the Coming Out series is
going to be a great resource
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and we'd love for you to
share it with your pastors,
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share it with your friends,
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people that you care about.
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You know, we, one of
the books that you used in
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and you'll talk
about a little bit later is
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The Gay Gospel? by Joe Dallas,
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and I would just like to
share that he has also written,
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actually he has written
profusely another great book
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it's called "The
Complete Christian Guide
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to Understanding Homosexuality"
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and that is by Joe Dallas again.
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We also have some other DVDs
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that are
available on our website.
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And what is your website?
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It's comingoutministries.org.
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Comingoutministries.org. Right.
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One of the sets is
called the Gay Puzzle,
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Loving All God's Children.
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There are six DVDs in
here that cover 18 programs.
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We breakout and we
talk about various things
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with regards to
Christian homosexuality,
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Life with God Today,
The Download Culture.
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So even a lot of
things that may be,
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we didn't even talk
about during this series.
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Another DVD set is
called Coming Out... Really.
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And this was a
series of interviews
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that was done in Australia
with a young man Daniel Laredo
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who is part of By
Beholding His Love
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which I'll be talking about here
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in a couple of more minutes.
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And so this again is about
redemption from homosexuality.
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Why were we gay?
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And how did we find
our way out of being gay.
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Good. Great.
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Mike Carducci has a website,
his individual ministry,
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under Coming Out Ministries,
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we've three
individual ministries,
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Mike's is called Exceed
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and his website
is exceedinglory.org
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and I have a website
called Know His Love,
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that's my personal
individual ministry
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which is at knowhislove.org.
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I've written a number of
articles for publications,
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those are all
available on that website
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and have a blog on that website
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again these DVDs are
available there as well.
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So the three of you, Pastor Ron,
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and the two of you
have your own websites,
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your own
ministries, your own resources.
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But you've come together under
the umbrella of Coming Out.
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And the website again
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for comingoutministries.org
is that it?
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That is it. Yes.
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Okay, it's easy to
find on the internet
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if people just do a
search Coming Out Ministries.
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I found it a number of
times click there I am.
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Yeah. Right.
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Two of the cofounders
that were not present here
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were Virna and Lisa Santos
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and they have a ministry that's
called By Beholding His Love.
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So that's the whole five of you.
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It's the Santos sisters
and the three, the three men.
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So two women, three
men coming together, good.
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Now here is the
interesting thing about that,
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is that we can
talk when we go out
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and we speak
about homosexuality,
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we can talk even
about lesbianism.
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But to give a much
better view on that
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to really speak from
the female point of view
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it's probably
important to speak to women
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because there's a
kind of a different rout
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sometimes to
recognize that once gay
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or the experiences they have
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even while being gay that a guy
probably doesn't always cover.
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That is, would be more
effective for a woman to cover.
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So there are similarities.
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Right, and
something else to add is
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Lisa and Virna are sisters
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they grew up in the same house.
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And yet both girls
have entirely different,
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you know, roads to travel
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in the area of
their lesbian lifestyle.
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One was very covert you know,
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she kind of hid
everything that was going on
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and the other one was very
over marching in gay pipe race
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and being very active in
the gay lifestyle, so what's--
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I read Lisa's
testimony couple of nights ago
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and it was very, very moving.
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Yes, yes both of them
have powerful testimony.
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And had a daughter
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Virna Santos had a daughter
with her same sex partner.
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So today as she has chosen
Jesus Christ and to follow Him,
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there's still the daughter
to be concerned about to
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so that's interesting that they
share the testimony about how,
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what is life like today
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and what is
happening with the child
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that's part of this.
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So it's amazing.
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Yeah, I've said
this before that I wish
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that we would had a female,
female voice in this series
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but even though we haven't,
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a lot of the
principles are still same
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but they're not all
the same because men,
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men and women
are quite different.
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And you know,
women can be mysterious
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and I'm still
learning about my lovely wife.
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Not sure.
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You know, she is
sometime a mystery to me
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but she is precious.
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And so anyway it's very,
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it's good that we are sharing
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not only that
there are resources
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specifically for men, from men
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but that we want to
cap this off with the fact
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that there are women out there
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that other women can go to
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and learn things that they
need and are helpful to them.
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So I'm glad for that.
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We need both
genders to make this--
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Right. Right.
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Completely the image of God.
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All right.
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With modern technology
today and for those of you
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who are wanting instant media,
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you can go to YouTube
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and you can look
up, Mike Carducci,
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you can look up Wayne Blakely,
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and we have a
presentations that are there,
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that are pretty easy to locate
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and there are multiple ones.
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So any one of
them that you click on
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will probably you know,
lead you to another one.
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Great. Great. Those are the --
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Lot of people go
to YouTube these days.
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Yeah. Oh yeah.
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I do a lot, I'm
searching for something,
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I want to find you
know, a talk or a subject,
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whether health
subject or a Bible subject
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or looking for a
person, I often go to YouTube
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and it's amazing.
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The valuable
information is there,
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although of course
you've to pick and choose
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because there's a
lot junk out there,
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but there is good,
there are good things
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if you, if you search.
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Right. Right.
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And, Mike, I know you've
got a number of resources too.
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Okay, I'll start off with Ron's.
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Pastor Ron Woolsey, he's
been a pastor for over 20 years
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and in addition to
the Bible which he,
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well, we all agree is first and
foremost in our walk with God.
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But also he talks
about this book here,
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Steps to Christ
and this, it might be,
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I agree totally with Ron, this
is totally my first aid kit.
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If I'm in any kind of despair
or not understanding something,
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I go immediately to this and
this reconnects me back to God,
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it's a quick easy
little pocket reference
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you can throw in your
car, in your bag you can,
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I give it out all the time
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because it's been a huge
support and resource for me.
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That book is available from
White Horse Media, we have it.
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Yes.
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And I love that book too.
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It's been translated in
over a hundred languages,
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that little book on the
basics of the Christian life.
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You know, I have such
days were I've been discouraged
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and I've come home,
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it's actually
available online video too,
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you can search it that way.
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I've actually played a chapter 7
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in this book about discipleship
when I'm falling asleep
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and it just has
beautiful things to be said.
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Right. Wonderful.
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Well, my favorite
quote, "Do not wait to feel
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that you're made whole.
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But say I believe it, it
is so not because I feel it
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but because God has promised."
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Amen. A powerful vow.
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And also, Ron has a book
that he wrote in a pseudonym
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it's called, That Kind
Can Never Change! Can They?
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And it's by Victor J. Adamson,
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which is a pen name
for Pastor Ron Woolsey.
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I read that book, it's fabulous.
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Yes, it's also
available in Spanish.
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And we'll have
that available as well
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on whitehorsemedia.com,
our website.
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Okay.
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Also he has a website
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that's also on our
comingoutministries.org
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and his ministry is
www.victorjadamson.com.
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Also he has many books
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about two books
worth on that website
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that can help
addressing the gay issue.
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Also he has, Exploding
the Gay Myth, by Ron Woolsey,
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it's a testimony also in CD.
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Compassion Without Compromise,
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which is a four part DVD special
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that he did with Shawn Boonstra
for It Is Written television.
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All right in
some of the resources
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that have really helped me,
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I remember coming
out of the gay lifestyle,
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I wasn't interested in giving
up my boyfriend or my identity.
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But what happen is I started to,
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to watch these
testimonies of other men
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that have come
out of homosexuality
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and one of the testimonies
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that really impacted
me the most was probably
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a man named Sy Rogers, and
just watching his testimony
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I couldn't believe the
power of God in his life
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and that was when I
first started to realize
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that if God could help him,
that God could help me as well.
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And so Sy Rogers
has incredible videos
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and things that have helped me
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that I've also gone
to some of his resources
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and you can go to
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syrogers.com/
sy_rogers_videos.html
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for any resources there as well.
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Or they can
probably do a search.
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Okay. Sy Rogers and find him.
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Oh, good, but that
saving you a lot of time
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than the rest of these.
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He's available on YouTube too.
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Right. Right.
There's some incredible--
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Sy Rogers. Yes, that's right.
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Excellent, excellent.
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Also the GYC, Generation
of Youth for Christ 2014,
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if you go to
gycweb.org and look up
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knowing the
difference it takes you right to
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the Gay Puzzle
which was a presentation
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that Coming Out
Ministries did just in January.
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Also Power to Cope radio,
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you can look it
up on the internet
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and they also
have three interviews,
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three part interviews
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that I did with this
lady in Key West, Florida,
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that had this radio
program and I'm talking,
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I shared some things with her
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that I've never shared
with anybody else before.
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It was amazing,
the interview process.
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Also two years ago I
was interviewed by old man
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new man lifestyle
conflicts part one and part two,
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you can look that up
on the internet as well.
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And so those are some of the--
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And your track, you've a track.
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Oh thank you, thank you, Steve.
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Share. Oh, yes--
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This is my track, a
track that I put out is called
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homosexuality and
Holiness, one man's journey.
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And basically what it is,
00:17:22.76\00:17:23.91
it's a testimony track
which you can give out,
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it also has our
resources on the back
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and how to get
in contact with us
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and we sell these
on my website for,
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you can get a pack of them
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if you want to have
them for your church,
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we have them available.
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And, Mike, for those who
don't have internet access,
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what's your phone number?
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What's the phone
number of your main website
00:17:40.84\00:17:42.68
of Coming Out Ministries?
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For Coming Out Ministries,
we don't have a phone number.
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Okay, just give us phone number,
00:17:46.30\00:17:47.59
somebody can call, they
don't, they're not online.
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I usually. Yeah.
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Because I'm the detailed man.
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Okay.
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You can reach any one of us,
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I'll pass the word along,
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even if you just want
one of the three, I promise.
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Okay. 360-936-8514.
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Got it, okay, now you mention
the Pure Passion website--
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I heard about that
just cover that quickly,
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and then share some stories
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about people
that have been helped.
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Sure, Pure Passion VIMEO
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and for some reason
you've to put in the VIMEO
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after Pure Passion.
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But they have over 200
testimonies and stories
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and presentations about
what God's intimacy is like
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and what I do is,
I'll just turn them on
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and I'll just go through
the house and do you know,
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whatever I'm doing
and just listen to them,
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they're powerful testimonies
about all kinds of sexual sin.
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As a matter of fact I
choose the acronym name Exceed
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because it's not
limited, the homosexuality,
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we're not just battling
with one area of sexuality.
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Exceed stands for
excellence in Christ
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through evangelism to
the erotically defiled.
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And because my issue wasn't
just limited to homosexuality,
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we speak on, on
premarital sex, abortion,
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we talk about adultery,
00:19:01.99\00:19:05.27
addiction to
pornography, masturbation.
00:19:05.30\00:19:07.68
And so basically it
includes every thing
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from seeking from grade
schools to universities,
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pastors'
meetings, singles retreats,
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men's ministries.
00:19:15.88\00:19:17.53
And so again Pure Passion
also addresses all kinds of that
00:19:17.56\00:19:21.89
and it's a powerful tool that I
use in my presentations as well
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Okay, I like to hear just a
couple of quick, quick stories.
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Okay.
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Of how peoples lives
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have been
impacted by your ministry.
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This is actually in
our opinion very sad.
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At the GYC just
a two months ago,
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we got this note,
this handwritten note
00:19:39.67\00:19:41.96
that was handed in and it says,
00:19:41.99\00:19:43.51
I know this, I'm
supposed to be anonymous,
00:19:43.54\00:19:45.56
but if you want
to get in contact me,
00:19:45.59\00:19:47.48
if there is any hope my name is,
00:19:47.51\00:19:49.72
and he gives his information
and he goes on to say,
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what do you do?
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When you've tried all the
suggestions for overcoming
00:19:53.47\00:19:56.02
but you just
can't seem to shake it.
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What do you do
when you feel hopeless?
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What do you do when you
feel rejected by your family?
00:20:00.59\00:20:03.63
What do you do when
you fell so discouraged
00:20:03.66\00:20:05.20
that you never
want to try again?
00:20:05.23\00:20:07.83
What if you've tried
counseling and it didn't work?
00:20:07.86\00:20:10.37
What if you've
done claming scripture
00:20:10.40\00:20:11.81
and memorizing
but it seems futile?
00:20:11.84\00:20:14.31
What if you want to live,
00:20:14.34\00:20:16.07
but kill
yourself at the same time?
00:20:16.10\00:20:18.68
What if you
already have attempted?
00:20:18.71\00:20:21.25
What do you do when
it's all you can think about?
00:20:21.28\00:20:24.58
What do you deal
with being molested?
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How do you deal
with being molested?
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How could I ever
be changed and happy?
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I've tried everything.
00:20:31.15\00:20:32.53
This is the last
time I'll ever try again.
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And I'm telling you when
Pastor Ron received this note
00:20:36.16\00:20:38.63
and he shared it
with us, we were all moved
00:20:38.66\00:20:40.77
because each one
of us can identify
00:20:40.80\00:20:43.24
with exactly what this person,
this young man was feeling.
00:20:43.27\00:20:46.74
What was so powerful is we had,
00:20:46.77\00:20:48.54
we had people that
were homosexual, lesbian
00:20:48.57\00:20:51.11
and bisexual in our group.
00:20:51.14\00:20:53.11
What was so powerful,
00:20:53.14\00:20:54.20
we had mothers and
fathers who were terrified
00:20:54.23\00:20:57.03
that somebody might see
them in our conferencing.
00:20:57.06\00:20:58.73
Yet they came to
us anonymously asking
00:20:58.76\00:21:01.05
what can we do for our children.
00:21:01.08\00:21:03.53
And so for this young man,
he counseled with Pastor Ron
00:21:03.56\00:21:06.86
for a couple of days
during our, our presentations
00:21:06.89\00:21:10.37
and I believed that Pastor
Ron has been in touch with him
00:21:10.40\00:21:14.58
and with his family members
to find out how he's doing
00:21:14.61\00:21:16.74
because again we all identified
with absolutely every statement
00:21:16.77\00:21:20.54
that was made and I believe
that God has much more for us
00:21:20.57\00:21:23.80
than we can possibly imagine.
00:21:23.83\00:21:25.44
And if this
person was encouraged,
00:21:25.47\00:21:26.92
even some of the
homosexual people
00:21:26.95\00:21:28.99
in our
presentations talked about,
00:21:29.02\00:21:31.02
how we talked about the
love of God and connected
00:21:31.05\00:21:33.99
and felt that this was a
valuable ministry to present
00:21:34.02\00:21:38.12
You know, another valuable
resource and we communicate
00:21:38.15\00:21:42.80
and have for quite a while now
00:21:42.83\00:21:44.33
with individual
people who struggle,
00:21:44.36\00:21:46.90
who want to get in touch
with us through Facebook.
00:21:46.93\00:21:49.60
So you can lookup
Michael James Carducci
00:21:49.63\00:21:52.17
Junior. Junior.
00:21:52.20\00:21:53.98
Right.
00:21:54.01\00:21:55.07
Wayne Blakely,
Ron Woolsey, 21:58,
00:21:55.10\00:21:59.24
enter into a
conversation with us,
00:21:59.27\00:22:00.91
we're willing to, to point you
to resources to give you help,
00:22:00.94\00:22:05.41
give you strength each
and every day as you face this
00:22:05.44\00:22:07.67
because we know that
enemy fights against us
00:22:07.70\00:22:11.39
and people think that
we've to have a fall you know,
00:22:11.42\00:22:14.24
it's like there is an
analogy given that, you know,
00:22:14.27\00:22:18.13
if you drop the soap
you're not out of the shower
00:22:18.16\00:22:20.49
and so it's just wonderful
00:22:20.52\00:22:22.50
to be able to put
back in contact with people
00:22:22.53\00:22:25.58
who will lift you up,
pray for you and encourage you.
00:22:25.61\00:22:28.60
Also in Facebook there is,
00:22:28.63\00:22:31.10
those who struggle
with homosexuality,
00:22:31.13\00:22:34.33
do you remember that?
00:22:34.36\00:22:35.41
The exact name of the forum.
00:22:35.44\00:22:36.62
Yes.
00:22:36.65\00:22:37.68
I'm sorry, I
don't remember exactly.
00:22:37.71\00:22:38.78
Well, we get some incredible
testimonies on there as well.
00:22:38.81\00:22:41.17
But if you Facebook us,
00:22:41.20\00:22:42.30
we can definitely put you
in touch with, with that forum.
00:22:42.33\00:22:44.80
Our community.
That's right, that's right.
00:22:44.83\00:22:46.57
And you've both
told me that you and,
00:22:46.60\00:22:50.29
that you've really,
00:22:50.32\00:22:51.38
you wish that these resources
were available when you were--
00:22:51.41\00:22:56.53
It would have helped us so much.
00:22:56.56\00:22:57.59
Coming out,
trying to come out. Yes.
00:22:57.62\00:22:58.90
But this is really
what people need, you know,
00:22:58.93\00:23:00.87
and now God has, God has I mean
00:23:00.90\00:23:03.54
there're so many things here
00:23:03.57\00:23:05.61
and God has
provided help to people.
00:23:05.64\00:23:09.10
Right. Help is on its way.
00:23:09.13\00:23:10.22
They are saying, help
me God please help me--
00:23:10.25\00:23:11.95
How many times do
I pray that prayer?
00:23:11.98\00:23:13.02
You know, the tide has changed
a little bit because you know,
00:23:13.05\00:23:15.24
you're getting,
you're getting so much about
00:23:15.27\00:23:16.74
what liberation looks like.
00:23:16.77\00:23:18.74
But I can tell you
that in growing up you know,
00:23:18.77\00:23:21.28
there was hardly a day
that I came home from school
00:23:21.31\00:23:23.86
that I wasn't sobbing.
00:23:23.89\00:23:25.76
You know, I would
stand in front of the mirror
00:23:25.79\00:23:27.35
and punch myself
in the mirror and say,
00:23:27.38\00:23:28.83
why God did you make me a boy
00:23:28.86\00:23:30.62
when I was
supposed to be a girl?
00:23:30.65\00:23:32.66
My parents
didn't know what to do,
00:23:32.69\00:23:34.35
the church
didn't know what to do.
00:23:34.38\00:23:36.25
But today God has
opened up people's eyes
00:23:36.28\00:23:38.92
and so and there, you
know, it's just wonderful
00:23:38.95\00:23:41.32
that He has given
us this testimony.
00:23:41.35\00:23:43.50
He has given us a way out
and He has put us in touch
00:23:43.53\00:23:46.34
not only with being a resource
but giving resources to people
00:23:46.37\00:23:51.00
to help them find their way.
00:23:51.03\00:23:52.36
Powerful. Wonderful.
00:23:52.39\00:23:53.51
Well, we've got a
couple of minutes left.
00:23:53.54\00:23:54.90
Is there anything else you
want to, you want to share,
00:23:54.93\00:23:58.62
just concluding remarks and
then I'll go back to the Bible
00:23:58.65\00:24:01.53
and share one final verse.
00:24:01.56\00:24:03.46
One thing that really
sit out when you were reading
00:24:03.49\00:24:05.09
Revelation 12:11 is the
rest of the verse talks about
00:24:05.12\00:24:08.07
how they overcame him
by the blood of the lamb
00:24:08.10\00:24:10.32
and awarded their testimony.
00:24:10.35\00:24:11.73
And what impact it does was to
think that my dirty ugly story
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has the power to help
people overcome the enemy,
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but the verse goes on and says,
and they love not their lives
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even to the death
and what I realizes
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is that we all have a
testimony and whatever that is
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that what we found is
the more we tell that story,
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the more we testify of how
Jesus Christ has delivered us.
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I'm telling you
the more healing I get,
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the more affirmation
I get from the people
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that I feared the most
and I'm just telling you that
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that if you can be brave enough
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that there is
power in your testimony
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and every one has one.
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You know, there is
not all that much joy
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in sharing your dirty laundry.
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No.
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We should avoid, we try
to make this a clean series
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and so we need to avoid
going into too much but--
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Right but, but--
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Enough that
people can relate to.
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We're willing to be transparent,
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we're willing to
stand up in front of people
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and let them know that
we connect with where they,
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where they are,
where they've been,
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and where God can
lead them and take them to.
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Amen. Amen. That's right.
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We all have our
stories and, you know,
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it's amazing how God can take,
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can take a wounded
messed up ruined life
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and rebuilt that life
and then use the darkness
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that you've been in to
actually become a testimony
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to bring light to somebody else.
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Amazing.
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I never thought that God
would take me from the gutter
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and put me in the pulpit.
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You know, He took
Peter, Peter denied Jesus,
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he denied Him three
times and what a bitter thing
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for him to do and yet
that testimony is in the Bible
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and people have
read that testimony
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and it has
helped them to realize
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that if I have
denied Jesus like Peter,
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there's still hope for me.
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Amen.
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And also to read that and
say, I don't want to do that,
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you know, Lord
help me not to do that,
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so God can take our sin
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and He's just so
big and so marvelous,
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He can even take our sin
and He can turn it around
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and He can use it to
be a blessing to others.
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Well, I would like to finish up
this series with a Bible verse
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in the book of Mathew
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Chapter 11, Mathew 11:28.
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These are the
words of Jesus Christ.
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Now we want Jesus to be
the center of everything we do.
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Amen.
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And this verse is
Jesus' appeal to us,
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He's calling us
and it's an invitation.
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Jesus said, "Come to
Me, all you who are weary
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and burdened, and I
will give you rest."
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We believe we know that
Jesus Christ has real power
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that His word has
power, His love has power,
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His death on the cross
for our sins has power,
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His resurrection has
power, His Holy Spirit has power
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and whatever
you're struggling with,
00:26:57.38\00:26:58.80
whatever your
battles, your difficulties,
00:26:58.83\00:27:00.74
however, much
you've fallen in the sin,
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we just want you to know
that Jesus through this program,
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through us, through
this book, through His word,
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He's reaching out
to you and He's saying,
00:27:09.13\00:27:11.00
come to me, come to me, I
can help you, I can forgive you.
00:27:11.03\00:27:15.42
I can change your
heart, I can change your life,
00:27:15.45\00:27:17.75
I can give you peace
that no one else can give
00:27:17.78\00:27:20.50
but Jesus Christ.
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Come to Him now,
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so He can help you
get ready for heaven.
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