Homosexuality, the Bible,
the Church and Jesus Christ.
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That's our
topic, so don't go away.
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Welcome to Coming Out.
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This is the
beginning of a 13 part series
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produced by White Horse Media
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that deals with some very very
hot and controversial issues,
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dealing with homosexuality,
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the Bible, Jesus
Christ and the Church.
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I'm here with Wayne Blakely,
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who is one of the cofounders
of Coming Out Ministries.
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He lived for nearly 40 years
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practicing in the gay culture
and yet his life has changed.
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He is here today
as a different man,
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as a new man and he is here
basically to tell his story.
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So Wayne, I really want
to thank you for coming.
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Welcome you.
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I know its little bit
cold here in North Idaho
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as you can gather today
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and that's why we have
our warm hot tea, cheers.
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So any way again
thanks you for coming,
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it's a privilege to have you
and I know you got lot share.
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Yes.
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Thank you I'm so blessed
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and and I'm
overjoyed to every chance
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I get to share, my testimony
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about what God can
do in peoples life's.
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Now the word or
the phrase coming out--
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Yeah.
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That's based upon Bible verses
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and that's the the
motto of your ministry.
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That's right.
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Want to share that testimony,
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tell us briefly why
you picked that verse?
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Well, it comes
right out of 1 Peter 2:9
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which I'll read to you.
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It's important to
remember here to--
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when Christ
comes, is going to come
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at the darkest
point in our history.
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So it makes sense that it
said "His own special people,
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that you may proclaim
and the praises of Him
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who called you out of darkness
into His marvelous light."
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So we wanted to
give the true meaning
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to the phrase Coming Out.
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Okay, and that's a little
bit of play onwards right?
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Yeah.
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Based on you know
common binocular--
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Yeah, usually the
common idea would be
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that one someone
presents and says you know
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that they are coming
out and they basically say
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I'm gay and that there's nothing
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that you can do about it.
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I mean, while we individually
might be not be able to do
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something about somebody's
individual physical makeup,
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we worship a God who is
awesome and very powerful
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and can draw us into
His will instead of our own.
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Well, we all have our stories
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I have got mine and I'm not here
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to tell it today, but you are.
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So why didn't just go back
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and I know you
have to a lot to share
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we don't have five
hours for this testimony,
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but we do have
time so and I'm sure
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people will be very interested
to hear just give us a--
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you know start at the beginning
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and start walking us through
what has happened in your life.
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Well, you know there
are many stories out there
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and everybody story
matters, this is just mine.
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And I have a-- a birth mother
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who was adamant
during her pregnancy
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that she was not
going to have a baby girl.
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She was so adamant about it
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that when she
did gave birth to me,
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she went through a lot
of postpartum depression,
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a lot of anger and grief
and before I was two years old
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she took this out on me
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by breaking my arm
in two different places.
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And just, just out
of mere frustration
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and and being angry
on her part I guess--
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you can imagine the impact
that that would have on me,
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at such a young
age as at infancy.
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My father was an
Air Force career man
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and so he saw the
need to to get help
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and he had a
sister and brother-in-law
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who were willing to adopt me.
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They are today
still strong groundly
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biblical grounded Christians.
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And so I went into
their home and my dad--
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I'll refer to my
parents from now on
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as my an uncle and my dad said
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when we took you we
had prayed about it heavily
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and God gave me the impression
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that He had a very,
very special plan for you.
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So your real
mother wanted a girl?
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Yes.
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And you weren't a girl obviously
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and so she-- I'm sure she had--
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she must had a
lot of another issues,
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but she took that out on you.
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Exactly.
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And so you know what a--
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what a
horrifying things I cannot--
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I can hardly
imagine. She broke your arm?
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He didn't set me. Yeah, I did--
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how is that gonna set me up
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for for falling
in love with a woman.
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You know I have the damage
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that I really been
done at an early age.
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And so I was at
the age of three,
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I was running around the
house at my parents screaming
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I don't want to be a
boy I want to be girl.
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So I was still trying to get
her affirmation, her approval.
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And that began
to lay a dark cloud
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over my adolescence years.
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Yeah, your,
your adopted parents,
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they they had a Christian--
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you said they were
Godly they believe the Bible,
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they went to church.
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So as you shifted
from your real mother
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and father to this new family.
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Yes.
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You-- you were thought the Bible
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as you were
growing up is that correct?
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Christ was in our home, 24/7.
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My parents you know we--
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we you know had
worship in the morning,
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we prayed before
meals, we studied God's word
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and so what
better place for me to be
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than in a place where God
was-- was definitely present
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and I believe that God
placed me in that family,
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but I arrived with
some significant problems.
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So you learned
the stories of Jonah
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and Moses and
the biblical stories,
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and I'm sure
they-- they affected you
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and did as a little boy,
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did you make a decision
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that you wanted to
be follower of Jesus?
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I did and I was
baptized, I mean--
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At what age? I
believe, I was 10.
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And I was going
to Christian school,
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and I would go
to Church and from--
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from the very
first day of school,
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I was different than
most of the other boys
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and so I have--
I was effeminate.
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I didn't know that I
was any different than any--
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I had no clue that other--
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you know guys were not wired
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the same I-- way I was wired,
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but I was bullied
and harassed and teased
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and went home from
every day of school,
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you know crying
nearly every day,
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standing in front of a mirror
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punching myself in the
face and blaming God and saying
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why was I made a boy
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when I was
supposed to be a girl,
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like this was God's fault.
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It didn't set me up
for a very bright future.
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My parents began to
reach out to the Church,
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they began to
reach out to schools
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and say we know
what should we be doing
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and they got no help.
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There weren't resources
in the Church to deal with,
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and I'm sure you were
just-- I can hardly imagine--
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I mean I grew up
in the Hollywood hills
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and my mother
didn't break my arm
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and I was you
know close to my mom
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and close to my dad
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and I went through
the developmental stages
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of growing up and
yes, in my teenage years
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I went off the D-band
which is another story
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and then the Lord rescued me,
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but I-- you know I never had
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any kind of trauma
like you had into--
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do you attribute, your,
your feminine manifestations
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as you are growing up,
which you're teased for,
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your attribute that and to--
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I'm mean, I'm
just curious with that,
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do you see that as a gene issue
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or do you see
that as a mother issue,
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you know depending upon--
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based on what
happened to you with your mom.
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Right.
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I think from
here was I would guess
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that it was
probably conditional,
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but I think it's also important
that we remember that it's--
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that I can't go into
same blaming my mother
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and saying that,
that's why I became gay.
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I think that is shaped,
it definitely conditioned
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and shaped my feature
have big factor and there was--
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you know the
prenatal impressions
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that she had had
something to do with that too
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and it's also important
to remember through out time,
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that they-- you know
there's a contention today
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that God made me gay and so I--
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my response today is that God
only made two perfect people,
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that's Adam and Eve.
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And then after sin we
were born with fallen nature,
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and we have the
stain of sin honest,
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we have the sins
of our father's on us.
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And so through out time
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God is still looking
for this peculiar people.
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So at what-- at what age?
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I guess it was very very young
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when you started showing
feminine characteristics,
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did you-- at what
age did you noticed
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that you were attracted to men,
to boys instead of to girls?
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Right, there was never a time
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that I can recall that I wasn't,
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I began to act out
in the second grade.
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I remember that I would
go into the boys bathroom
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and want to play doctor
with the boy in the bathroom,
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no one knew that was going on,
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but it began to say
it to me I began to know
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that there was
something wasn't quite right.
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By the time I was 13--
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This was all in a
Christian school was it?
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Yes.
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It was a bathroom
in a Christian school.
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Yes, yes.
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At 13 I was
reading the Word of God
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and the reference
to this homosexuality.
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I would find that we are going,
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this God is
talking about homosexuality
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as it's not part of His plan
and yet I have these feelings,
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where did they come from?
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I didn't ask for this.
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So you don't feel
like you choose them,
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they were just there.
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Exactly.
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But I think it's so
important to go back again
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and see that from
our very first breath
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Satan is
available and he is active
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about warning to deceive us
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through our
feelings because he--
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it's all about
the great controversy.
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Whether he can win
or whether God can say
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there will be a
people who will seek Me.
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So at some point as
you were getting older
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and you started
wrestling with these feelings,
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because you are
reading the Bible
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and you were conflicted.
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Yeah.
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And then I guess it some
point you made a decision
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that you were going to--
to go with those feelings.
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Yeah.
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Was that easy decision to make?
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Did it just feel
like it was just natural
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or did your conscious bother you
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or did you just
find the conclude
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that you know this
really is why I'm and--
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Actually, you know, a guy
that I was introduced to me
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made a proposition to
me or a proposal to me
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that the church
was the very reason
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that homosexual-- he was saying
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that church bred homosexuality.
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And I said how is that?
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And he says 'cause look
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you're a gay I'm gay I
got to school with guys
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that are gay to
Christian collage
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and the church tells us
that homosexuality is sin,
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and that's it,
it's cut off nobody says
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what you are
supposed to do with it.
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What about the feelings
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that you have
are very real to you,
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in fact in most church cultures
we don't talk about feelings.
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And so it's not
just homosexuality
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that we are looking at, we
are looking at any symptom--
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temptation or any sin issue
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where God is
asking us to surrender.
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So looking back you
don't really feel like
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you had a safe place to go
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where you could
talk about these issues.
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If you did, do you think
that you would have done that?
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I sure do.
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Today Coming Out
Ministries exists
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so that we can
began to educate churches
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of any
denomination, of any group
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of believers in Christ to show,
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how we can reach out to people.
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James 5:16 tells us to come
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and confess our
sins one to another
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so that we can have healing.
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We don't do that today
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'cause we are so
afraid of the gossip.
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So we have got
to come to a point
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where we have
confidentiality clauses,
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where we can sit down
with that small group of people
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and say this stuff
stays inside this room,
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but I need your prayers
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and I'm willing to pray for you.
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Do you think
it's safe to say that
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in the church
today a lot of times
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the response towards
someone like you know,
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what you are going
through is is just not helpful.
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I mean, it's, you
know, people read the Bible
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and they if they
don't have those feelings,
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they read what the Bible says
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and it's it's very
easy to become judgmental
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and harsh and
even mean or cruel.
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And so I think the
church has some growing to do,
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and obviously-- I mean
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as you would now
or a strong Christian
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I'm sure you look back
on your life growing up
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and you know the person
you are today looks back
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on the person you were back then
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and I'm sure you want to go back
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to that person if you
could and your arm around him
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and say you know I love you
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and have
compassion on you and let's,
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you know, let's see
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if we can find a
solution to your conflict.
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Yeah, you know as I look out --
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And probably wish
more people will like that.
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As I look at
this ministry today,
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I see a couple of things.
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I see the church
needing to heartfully say,
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you know, I'm
sorry, I was ignorant,
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I didn't know how
to reach out to you.
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And what I would ask
today from the gay culture
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and the gay community
who are largely outcast
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from the lot of
church environment
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would be to come back
and say I forgive you.
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My understand
that you had ignorance
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and that you didn't
know how to reach out to me,
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there's a lot-- that
we haven't understood
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about God's word, but it's
practical to our life today.
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Can we come together
and such His word together
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regardless what's in
we have and be the sons
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and daughters
and the church family
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that God intended us to be.
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Right.
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So regardless of what
your mother did to you,
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breaking your arm and, you know,
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the trauma you went through
and the feelings you developed
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and you know the feminine side
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and all of these
struggles that you went through,
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you are still a human being
that was created and is loved--
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loved by God and the
God has plan for your life
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and I think it's--
mean it just speaks to me
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that whatever
background we have,
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that we need to look at
each other in that light
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you know weather
it's homosexuality
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I didn't
personally I didn't go through
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those kind of
struggles as a teenager,
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you know, whether it's genetic
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or whether it's mom and dad
or whether it's environment,
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what ever it is
the mystery of it all,
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when I was a teenager
that's was not my struggle,
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but I had other struggles
and I plunged off in to alcohol
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and into smoking
marijuana and a very wild life
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as a teenager and
then I was 20-years-old
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I found the Bible
and the Lord filled me
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and called me out of
darkness and into His life.
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And so whatever I think
we want to make statement
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that whatever issue
someone's going through,
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there is a
commonality among us all
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that we are all
according to God's book,
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we are all sinners
and we all need a Savior.
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It is important for us to
note, that bitterness from--
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'cause of the way
someone might have treated us.
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My mother, my natural mother,
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the church or somebody
else or even if I abuse
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that takes place
bitterness doesn't give us
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the right to justify our sin.
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God is still calling us deeper,
He is asking us to forgive.
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And so no matter how many
times it takes to forgive,
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if we put our faith
in not trusting Him,
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it's amazing what God can do
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on the other
side of the brick wall
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that we can't see through.
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So just looking
at your timeline,
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what age approximate
were you when you left
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your reading of the Bible
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or may be I don't
if you can did leave
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the reading of the Bible,
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but at some point
you took the plunge.
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I did.
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In to a life that, you
look back on now with regret.
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I was 18 and I
went looking for love
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in all the
wrong places and today
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I would say that is
important for us to--
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actually come back and give
the true definition to love,
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the love that
we're really looking for,
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because I went
into so many places
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for so many years.
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You mean 40 years.
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Yeah, and it wasn't
well, it wasn't the love
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that God was trying to show me
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but God let me go
in all those directions
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that led me into
affairs with white men
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led me into
prostitution for 12 years.
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it led me down a lot
of dark roads a criminal--
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and now I have a criminal past,
because of having been arrested
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and yet God kept
paying in on to me.
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I went after all the
drugs I went after you know
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whatever it was that
would bring pleasure to my life.
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Now I know that this isn't
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the same case
for every individual
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who is in the gay culture today,
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but this is what deal is--
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Some down taking
that kind of plunge.
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Satan doesn't care,
how he can deceive us,
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if-- as long as he can
deceive us with something.
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So even in monogamous
same sex relationship,
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even if you only had
one lover in your life
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that is not
according to the plan
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that God has for you
it's still not God's will
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and it's also may
not be God's will that--
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that you actually even marry.
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And so as I come to God's word
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and look at today
God is asking from me
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to accept His plan
and put my full faith
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and my trust in Him today.
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I mean that's what He
is asking of me today,
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but He said I gonna let you go,
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I gonna let you search
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'cause until you can
come to that conclusion,
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I'm not a God that
treat someone as a robot.
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I honored your choices, I
will-- I not a God of force.
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So to make long story short,
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what happened at the
end of those 40 years
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that turn your life around.
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At the end of my 40 years
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I came to a place in and sitting
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in my bedroom in
front of my computer
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and I
contemplated one day my destiny
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and I thought
Wayne, what if you got
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at the end of the
road here for you?
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You are still living, you
are completely disease free.
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You should be dead and
all of your friends are--
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and I simply heard God say
it to me can you hear Me know?
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She said all of
your friends are dead,
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you have friends
that didn't make it.
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Probably over 100 acquaintances
and over 40 close friends.
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Wow, they were they all
dead? Yes, every last one.
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And it's miracle that--
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Yeah, it's I had do
sit, I mean I didn't have to,
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but I did sit
and said, wow, God,
00:19:09.73\00:19:13.19
I don't know You,
I have blamed You,
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I have criticized
You, I have said You
00:19:17.46\00:19:19.62
made me this way and
yet I really don't' know You
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'cause I haven't
poured over this.
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I haven't studied this
from a redemptive stand point
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and asked what Your
will for me, really is?
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And did you begin
to feel like you know
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in spite of
bitterness and all the struggles
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that may be He was
looking out for your life
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because you are still alive,
with all your friends were dead
00:19:37.54\00:19:40.68
and now you still
alive and hey, wait a minute,
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you know may be
He, may be He is there,
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and He does still love me.
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That's called
the power of prayer
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because my
parents break from me,
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for all those
years and many others.
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And so the thing is this
that God doesn't force anyone,
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so never think that
your prayers go unanswered.
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God is waiting for you to be
receptive of the Holy Spirit.
00:20:03.68\00:20:08.25
He was waiting for me to
come to a point in my life,
00:20:08.28\00:20:11.45
that I would say
God, what are Your answers
00:20:11.48\00:20:14.83
rather than me
thinking that I could manage
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to feel my way
out through this life.
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So you you
discovered grace. I sure do.
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The meaning of
grace, sitting there
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in front of your computer
during that sober moment,
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you looked at your
life, you looked at your past,
00:20:27.71\00:20:29.36
you looked to your
friends, you looked at yourself,
00:20:29.39\00:20:31.71
you realized you are still alive
00:20:31.74\00:20:33.70
and that there was someone
up their watching over you.
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And I'm sure you knew
00:20:35.94\00:20:36.97
that parents had
being praying for you.
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Yeah. So that
probably all just--
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there was in a
epiphany moment when--
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what did you do?
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Did you get on your knees?
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Did you pray a prayer,
read a book what you do?
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Nobody is clobbered
to the foot of the Cross.
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And you know I sat
there and I thought,
00:20:49.72\00:20:52.74
all right God, I
haven't thought about You
00:20:52.77\00:20:55.52
for so long in this way
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and I did I got to
my knees and I said,
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I don't know how You
could forgive me for my past
00:21:02.05\00:21:04.65
because I have
done some pretty awful,
00:21:04.68\00:21:06.62
terrible things, that
I'm sure hurt my Creator,
00:21:06.65\00:21:11.65
but I said, I know that You say
00:21:11.68\00:21:13.26
that the power of
the blood is this,
00:21:13.29\00:21:15.79
that You died for me
while it was still a sinner.
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So you remember
those Bible verses
00:21:18.40\00:21:19.96
that you had learned
00:21:19.99\00:21:21.03
when you were
growing up in church.
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And I'm assuming
during those most of 40 years
00:21:22.78\00:21:24.72
you weren't reading the Bible,
00:21:24.75\00:21:25.98
you weren't
thinking about those things
00:21:26.01\00:21:28.36
you just pretty
much put behind you
00:21:28.39\00:21:30.24
and went on and
then had a revelation
00:21:30.27\00:21:32.91
that it's time to come back.
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I was very
revealing, I got up off my knees
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and I got in to the shower.
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And while I was in the shower
I thought, what time is it?
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And I looked at the clock
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and I knew I could to make
it to a church down the street
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because the services were
gonna begin at 11 o'clock.
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I walked in, I
sat in the back pew,
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I took a Bible with me
00:21:57.23\00:21:58.31
that I hadn't
opened in 35 years.
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The Pastor directs
says to Philippians 4:13
00:22:01.10\00:22:04.14
I open the Bible and my
friend from 35 years earlier
00:22:04.17\00:22:08.05
has written at the
top and at the bottom,
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Wayne can do all things.
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Wow.
00:22:12.48\00:22:14.73
Well, I was
sitting there thinking,
00:22:14.76\00:22:16.66
this isn't coincidence.
00:22:16.69\00:22:18.47
I haven't opened
this Bible, who would knew
00:22:18.50\00:22:21.05
that he went to direct
us to that verse that day?
00:22:21.08\00:22:24.44
And so God began to
really shape up my life
00:22:24.47\00:22:27.79
and convict me, that I want--
00:22:27.82\00:22:28.86
Wow your name was on that verse?
00:22:28.89\00:22:30.09
Yes, absolutely.
00:22:30.12\00:22:31.31
My, and how many
years ago was that?
00:22:31.34\00:22:33.48
Since been five years.
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Five years, and now you are one
00:22:34.59\00:22:36.86
of the co-founders
of Coming Out Ministries
00:22:36.89\00:22:40.11
and just briefly in a nutshell,
00:22:40.14\00:22:42.76
what is Coming
Out Ministries about?
00:22:42.79\00:22:46.24
You know there haven't been
any in resources in churches
00:22:46.27\00:22:48.57
and so we go to churches today
00:22:48.60\00:22:50.83
or to universities or schools
00:22:50.86\00:22:53.16
that we are invited to, we
first share our testimony's,
00:22:53.19\00:22:57.26
as
creditability's so people know
00:22:57.29\00:22:58.88
that we have a little
bit of back ground about
00:22:58.91\00:23:01.10
where we are coming from
and we reach out to parents
00:23:01.13\00:23:04.29
and loved ones
and to gay individuals
00:23:04.32\00:23:06.61
themselves to say that
God does have a different plan
00:23:06.64\00:23:10.01
and He does want
us to love each other,
00:23:10.04\00:23:12.21
but love doesn't mean
that we compromise His truth
00:23:12.24\00:23:14.95
and God has the
answers in there in His word
00:23:14.98\00:23:17.28
and it also involve self denial.
00:23:17.31\00:23:19.59
Again whether we are afflicted
with same sex attraction,
00:23:19.62\00:23:23.22
adultery, overeating, pride
00:23:23.25\00:23:25.40
whatever the case may
be God has the answers.
00:23:25.43\00:23:28.02
He asks for us to put our faith
and our complete trust in Him,
00:23:28.05\00:23:31.62
not just in the morning
00:23:31.65\00:23:32.68
when we have
worship or in the evening
00:23:32.71\00:23:34.78
we have a prayer
before we go to bed,
00:23:34.81\00:23:36.67
but He wants
contact and communication
00:23:36.70\00:23:38.98
with me constantly 24/7.
00:23:39.01\00:23:41.99
I'm not safe for a
moment with out Him.
00:23:42.02\00:23:44.54
So you trusting Him daily?
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Yeah, and so we share this
00:23:45.87\00:23:47.72
with people
today and people are--
00:23:47.75\00:23:49.67
people who are
being convicted or seen,
00:23:49.70\00:23:52.58
they are those who
are opposing this message,
00:23:52.61\00:23:55.59
but it's a message
it's because that they--
00:23:55.62\00:23:57.62
they are living in
a life of deception
00:23:57.65\00:23:59.65
that they been
convinced by the enemy
00:23:59.68\00:24:02.41
or by themselves, that
their way is the right way
00:24:02.44\00:24:07.53
and that their feels equal truth
00:24:07.56\00:24:09.75
and the thing is
that our feelings
00:24:09.78\00:24:11.25
can often equal to deception.
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So not everybody is pleased
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with what you are
doing, but many are--
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Not everybody.
Many are responding.
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Yeah.
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You are reaching
people, you touching people,
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I'm sure you could
tell stories of people
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that have gone
these similar things
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as you been
through and who are happy
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to have a resource in you
and in Coming Out Ministries
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that you didn't
get when you were a boy
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going through these--
some of these same struggles.
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Recently, a
gentleman who had to been
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at one of the
seminars that I had given,
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called me on the phone,
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he says I want to help
get you on to a university,
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but first I want
to know how many souls
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that you have saved?
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And I said, you know, I
said this is a Noah message.
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I really-- I have no idea,
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I said can't tell
you one that I know,
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that has come to to
fully surrender and the--
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because of me,
and I said you know
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it's not my job to save
souls, that belongs to God,
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it's just my job to plant seeds.
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Right Noah's job was to preach.
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Yeah.
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How many got in the
boating from a human perspective
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we might say well, it
wasn't very successful.
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He only had you
know his own family
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really got in the boat
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and all these people
rejected what he had to say,
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but I thought about that
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and if you look
at the stream of time
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how many sermons
have been preached
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on the story of Noah
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and how many peoples
life's have been touched
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by realizing this
man got in the ark
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and he was saved from the water
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because he made
the right choice.
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And so I think
Noah's the effective message
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has gone far beyond
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anything that he,
that he understands.
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Well Wayne, we
are, we're down here
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the end of our program one.
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We will be hearing
a lot more from you
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and we have got
other stories to hear
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and issues to discuses and--
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This is exciting.
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It is, its exciting
and we as we wind this up
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I want to share few texts
that have just impressed me
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as I looked around the verse
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that you-- I
have made your motto,
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about coming out
of darkness in to His,
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in to His marvelous light.
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Just going back
a previous chapter
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it talks about-- Peter
talks about those whose--
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whose souls have been purified.
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The God has a purification work
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that He wants
to do in all of us,
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purified through the truth.
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Chapter 1 verse 23
talks about being born again,
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however we are born
with whatever our problems,
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we still need to be all
of us need to be born again.
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It talks about the word of God
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that lives and abates forever.
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About in chapter 2
verse 11 the importance
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of "abstaining
from fleshly lusts,
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which war against the soul."
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Verse 12 talks about
00:26:49.45\00:26:50.79
"having your conversation
honest among the gentiles,
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and we are as they
may speak against you
00:26:54.20\00:26:55.96
as evildoer yet
by your good works
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when they see them
they will glorify God
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in the day of visitation."
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And I want you to know
that our is to be honest
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in everything that we do.
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On a honest conversation,
we are committed to the Bible,
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to the Word of
God, to lifting up Jesus
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and to presenting His grace,
00:27:12.41\00:27:13.60
His love and His
power to change a life,
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even your life and my life
00:27:16.70\00:27:18.38
and Wayne's life
and all of our lives.
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So we got more to come,
Coming Out is coming back
00:27:20.56\00:27:26.14
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you stick with us
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and join us next time.
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