Welcome back, so on the
first half we were talking with
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Virna and talking
about her journey.
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In her journey started
from when she was a little girl
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early molest, not really
trusting her own body definitely
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had some issues with men
as far as the safe thing,
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started fantasies about
women and jumped into a same-sex
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lifestyle and relationships.
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When I say jumped in, for
people that miss that first
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half, she jumped in, she
was an advocate, she was working
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in an AIDS center, she was
working in San Francisco and
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was in the gay parades.
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I don't think that you would
have wanted to run into her
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and said something dumb,
because she would have got you.
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What was really incredible
God even with that much
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anger, with that much
junk, I love the fact that as He
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was bringing her to a place
where she could see His heart
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towards her is that it
was so gentle and so good.
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He just wooed her
back into a place where
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she could start to heal.
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Somebody says heal from what?
They'll think heal from the
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same-sex stuff, if you say
that you didn't hear her story.
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This was a molested kid that
stopped feeling comfortable in
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her own skin, that didn't even
know who she was and started to
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identify with some of the
sexual issues, but that wasn't
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her pain or her damage.
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Her damage started really
early with the molest and the
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anger and with not feeling
that her parents protected her.
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We talked at one point in the
series where sometimes the devil
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strategically hits us with
all these different things,
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she got hit
with a lot of things.
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Sexuality wasn't the
only one and God knew that.
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I love the fact that her
families here because we have
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the privilege right
now of meeting Virna's mom.
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Sandra I just wanted to
say thank you so much for
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being on the program.
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- thank you for having
us too, its a privilege.
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As Virna is talking about
all this acting out, all this
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pain, all this
anger what did you see?
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How did you experience it?
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It was tough, even listening
to my daughter a while ago
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it was tough. - it's
tough to hear it all.
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It's tough to hear, I
can relate to her pain.
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- because even from early
on, you didn't know she was
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molested for a while?
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Well this is what happened,
I was a little Catholic girl
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in the Philippines and
when I see Jesus on the cross
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I had questioned why did
You have to die that way?
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So I've had that
question all my life.
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Then we arrived in America
and I was pregnant with my
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middle child, and my
half brother lost his job and
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I took him in and one day I
found him, I found him doing
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it to my daughter
and I had a visitor.
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I could not scream but I
was hitting him, lashing out on
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him and he was
grinning at me. - Wow!
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I had to take my focus
off him and take care of
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my child and clean her up.
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I could not tell
my husband. - why?
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Because when we first
arrived in America I didn't know
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anyone, we didn't
have any relatives.
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I didn't know what job I
should get, I was thinking if I
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tell my husband that he
would kill him and my husband
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would be behind bars.
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I don't know what
I would do. - right.
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I said I'm just going to
protect my child from him,
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so I pretended nothing happened
and every time we'd have
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to go for groceries I remember
my husband would tell me
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just leave them to my brother.
I said no and he started
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wondering because
I was acting strange.
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Where at one point you
would have left them without
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thinking about it
because it was your brother and
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it was safe there, now never.
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That was before the
incident, but after the incident
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I tried all my power not
to leave them to my brother.
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And to make a story
short we moved out from the
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apartment and we bought a house.
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And it happened again, and
I thought to me that was the
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first time I found, not I
found my daughter like Virna
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was in the restroom
when she was screaming and
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my brother had just
left looking for a job.
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Maybe because I was being
overprotective or embarrassed,
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ashamed, I just thought
that was the second time.
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You didn't think it was
something that was happening
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over and over again? -
yes, when Virna told you awhile
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ago that from four years
old to six years old it didn't
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dawn on me it was that long.
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So even hearing it now
just breaks you, it breaks your
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heart, let me say one
thing and I know this is true.
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I know this is true for
Virna because I was that kid,
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is God that heals us.
-yes I believe, I believe that.
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that. - I'm sorry, I'm
sorry that you, I'm sorry for
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your pain. - but this is
what I did because I know even
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though I was Catholic, I
had not found the faith yet or
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the Bible, God was there for me
too. God is always there for us.
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So you were, for what you
said is that I was new and I
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didn't know the language
and I was so afraid and I knew
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that my family would be
broken up and all those things.
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Because people ask all the
time why didn't you do anything?
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I know that Virna said
that throughout her story here,
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is that I was so angry at
my mom for not protecting me
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because all she
knew as a little girl is
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that you knew and yet
he was still in our home.
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This is what I did, I made
a decision that day that my
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daughter was
complaining about her body.
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I called my husband from
work and said to have come home,
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come home now
because something happened.
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After that I called
the police. - good for you,
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it must've been the
hardest call. - it is.
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A policewoman came, it
was a policewoman and she was
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upset with me when she
found out that I should have
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reported it the first time,
and guilt, really heavy guilt.
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- I bet you had
tremendous guilt over the years.
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That I didn't do
that for my daughter.
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Has she forgiven
you? - yes I know she has.
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But maybe I haven't forgiven
myself, even though I know
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God has forgiven me.
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Can we pray about
that right now? - yes.
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Dear Father, in Jesus name
we have gone through so many
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things in this life and
we have so many things we are
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ashamed of and we are
angry at ourselves and haven't
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forgiven our self for, but
Sandra this pain is overwhelming
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to her this news she
heard is overwhelming to her.
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There is people all over
the world that have these kind
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of burdens that they carry
and You have never meant us to
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carry this
shame and this burden.
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You have never meant us
even to know this kind of injury
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with our families, our
children, our little boys and
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little girls and I just
pray Father you hold Sandra's
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heart and let her know she is
forgiven, definitely forgiven by
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You. Forgiven by her
daughter, she is forgiven by
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everyone and teach her
how to forgive herself,
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to surrender that to You.
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Do not let the devil hold her in
bondage in this area ever again
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and I pray for the Holy
Spirit, I pray You will fill her
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with the Holy Spirit and
let her know that she is beyond
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loved and that You have
taken the burden of the sin upon
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Yourself and that she is
free and I claim that in the
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name of the Father, the
Son and the Holy Spirit and for
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anybody watching this program
that has this sadness and
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has this kind of bondage
I pray Father to let them
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know right now that they
are free. - Amen - that they
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have the right to forgive
themselves in Jesus name, Amen.
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Thank you for that prayer,
thank you. - you're welcome.
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So you call the
police and they arrested him.
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I called the police
after I was investigated by the
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policewoman, he was not a
round so I told them, we live in
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San Diego, and I said right
now he's in downtown San Diego
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looking for a job. Right
away all the police were doing
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surveillance on him and so
after maybe like an hour or so
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what they decided was to
come back to my property and
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waited for him
to get off the bus.
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As soon as he got off of
the bus they surrounded him and
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they put handcuffs on him.
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That brother of mine, we
grew up in a home with mom
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and grandma, we
had lost our father.
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My half brother I never
treated him as half because
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we all grew up in the same
home, not like other siblings
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when they grow up
in different homes,
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we all grew up in one home.
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He was very close to me
and he is my husband's favorite
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brother-in-law and I did not
know also that he had issues.
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I found out later on
that he was also molested.
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And usually that is the
way it goes. - yes, he was
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adopted for a while from my
mother to an American family.
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He came to America before me.
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So when they were putting
handcuffs on him he was just
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screaming and saying he
didn't do it, he didn't do it.
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- he was innocent?
- yeah, he's denying.
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- he knew what he done -
oh yes because I caught him.
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So as Virna starts growing
up and she's angry, she is
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distancing herself from
you, what did you do as her mom?
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What kinds of things did you do?
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Well I went through some
abusive behavior from Virna.
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So what I could not take it
anymore I did something again
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that made her more angry at me.
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One day my husband and
son and youngest daughter were
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watching television
and Virna was just at me
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- the screaming - yeah
and then I went out to the
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living room and I told
her siblings what had taken
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place in their sister's
life, because I was like
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screaming inside of me,
why are you just watching
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me being abused by this
child? You do not know the
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pain I'm going through?
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She hated me for that,
for letting her brother and
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sister know, but they were
like teenagers at that time.
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Do you know why your sister
is acting this way to me, and
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all along the disrespectfulness
and misbehaving and all
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the hardships and abuse I
went through, I told myself it
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was because of
what she went through.
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When I shared with my
husband or some close friends,
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some of them would be in
denial and say no that is not
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the reason that's her
choice, but to me I knew it is
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because of what
she went through.
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My daughter was seduced for
three years by a teacher in her
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school, in a Christian school
and she started acting out
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and everyone kept saying
that it was her and I knew that
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she went through three
years of being groomed by
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a perpetrator and I
knew that's so messed her up.
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A mother's heart, you
just know this is not my child.
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This anger is way over the top.
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And then my mother arrived
from America, I mean from the
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Philippines I'm sorry to
America, my brother was in jail
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at the time, I did not know
how to break the news to her.
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My husband has to go to work
that morning and we stayed up
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late because she
came, she arrived late.
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We stayed up, we never
slept we were trying to catch up
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on times and in the back of
my mind I said, dear God help me
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I don't know how to
break this news to my mother.
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Then finally she
said, can I mention this?
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She said where's
Norman and I had to tell her.
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- I can't even imagine how hard
that conversation must've been.
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- I became her enemy.
- she was angry at you?
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My mother would not
believe, would not believe.
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So you know what it feels
like even to a molested victim
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because a lot of victim's
people do not believe them.
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So I believed also just
for the sake of all families
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they're going to listen,
that when one is molested
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everyone is
victimized, every member.
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Because it changes the
whole dynamics of the family.
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Because we love each other
it is so painful, but anyway
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God is so good because He
gave me this inner strength
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even though maybe I broken
outside, the inside God is
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saying, you are not alone.
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So now not only does Virna
go through that time where she
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is abusive to you verbally,
even physically sometimes aye?
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One-time umhumm. - in school
angry and left home and ended
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up in San Francisco, did
you know that she ended up in
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San Francisco in
the gay lifestyle?
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That is good question Cheri,
I found out about her being
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gay from another
woman. - how did you find out?
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This woman is also gay,
and she had a disagreement with
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Virna, out of spite she called
me to break the news to me.
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Ah so she was
trying to hurt Virna.
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She was trying to hurt
Virna and me, maybe she not
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realizing she is going to
hurt me, but because she was
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also adopted by a family
but after the adopted mother
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the mother that adopted her
passed away, all the siblings
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of the two children of
the mother disowned her.
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She was taken it out on
Virna because Virna has a good
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family who loves her.
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Out of jealousy, out of
spite she calls me and it was on
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the Sabbath day, I came
home from church and she break
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the news to me.
- what did she say?
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You know she is half
Filipino like me, and Filipino
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calls auntie an uncle even
though were not related so she
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said auntie, I've known her
do you know about Virna, do you
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know anything about
Virna? I said what about Virna?
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Do you know that she is
gay, she just blurted it out.
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I said, because I was
already a Christian, a Bible
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Christian. I'm an Adventist
that I know the truth and
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I was praying
while she was talking.
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- because you knew, you
could tell by her voice and
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you wanted to protect yourself.
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He helped me right away,
it always works when you say
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Lord please help me, He's there.
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So what did He
have you say to her?
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I said to her and so,
what do you want me to say?
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She said do you still
love her? I said of course,
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that is my child. She
said you don't feel different?
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I said no, I'm not going
to disown her just because
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she's chosen to be
gay, that is her choice.
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I may not be approving of
her lifestyle, it just came out.
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But many because I'm also
trying to witness to Maurice,
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she calls herself Marisa
and I said I still love her.
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I cannot disown my child.
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And then she
cried, she broke down.
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Because she said I wish
somebody would still love me.
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She said auntie you really
do, I wish you were my mom.
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I said why, she said my mom
passed away about a month ago
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and all the siblings I
grew up with just disown me.
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For a lot of people with
our sexual orientation and that
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kind of thing as soon as
you come and start questioning
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any of that people disown
you and I'm thinking our sin,
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is our sin, is our sin and
our journey, is our journey,
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is our journey and it's like
I think sometimes we have to
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respond with love and
not with condemnation.
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You know let someone come
to the table with their stuff
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and let's just talk but
what I love about God is
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He never disowns us.
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We work through some pretty
horrendous issues and God says,
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do you know how much I love
you? In the midst of our junk
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in the midst of our acting
out, there are stories about
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David, King David in the
Bible where he is murdering
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people and sleeping with
Bathsheba, murdered her husband
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and God says that is a
man after my own heart.
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You know what I mean? I'm
thinking God Himself says,
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not that He condones any of
that, that He says go and do
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what ever, but He just
says you know what, come to Me
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With all this stuff.
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As a mom, you know Sandra I
love this about you, you just
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immediately started to pray
and stayed in prayer for Virna
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her whole life. - yes. -
what was your prayers like?
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What kinds of
things did you take to God?
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I said to the Lord, God
you gave that child to me, You
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give me the strength to
teach me how to pray and I found
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the promise in Romans 8:26
were the Holy Spirit will groan
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through me and I said
Lord groan through me.
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Groan through me, I don't
know what to say sometimes.
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I'm in pain and it is so
painful and I am hurting and
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here I am taking care
of a disabled husband also.
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In 1999 he had a stroke.
- and at times the stroke
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caused him to have some issues,
emotional issues himself.
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So on top of that you are
dealing with all this stuff at
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home - yes and so I said
God I believe You love me so
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much that You love me, You
love me because You died for me.
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You know what I love for
people that don't know Virna,
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that don't know that concept
of God and the Holy Spirit
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saying groan for me and I will
explain that concept is really
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incredible about that is
that there are times in our
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lives where pain is so great
that God says there are going
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to be times when you don't
even know what to pray for.
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Your pain is so deep that
you don't even know how to take
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that and put it in
words and God says my Spirit
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will groan and speak
things that are so deep and so
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real that you don't
how to do it but I do,
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I will take those to
the Father in heaven.
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What you are saying is
that there were times when you
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said to God, groan for
me, take this to God for me
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because I don't even
know what to pray anymore.
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Yeah and the Lord helped
me and it is so wonderful to
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study the Bible because
I found out there are 3000
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things, I'm not exactly
in numbers the promises.
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So I start claiming promises,
I start claiming promises.
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And there's one in Jeremiah
32:17, nothing is too hard
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for God, and the last
time the last promise I was
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claiming so hard is, Jeremiah
33:3, I will call on You
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and You will answer me and
I will show you mighty things
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that you do not know,
and the mighty things that
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He showed me was the
conversion of my two daughters.
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It's amazing, amazing,
okay I'm going to ask Lisa,
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your other daughter some
things and that I'm going to
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get back to what did it
feel like when the conversion
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of you two daughters happened?
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Because Lisa I know that
during this whole time your mom
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is praying and Virna is
coming back to God but you had
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jumped into the lifestyle
too and I want to know what
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that was like for you, and
what did your mom think now
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that she has both of you
in the lifestyle, not knowing
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what happened here
or any of that stuff.
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So from your position
explain to us what happened?
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Well Cheri you know, just
like Virna I at an early age
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had felt inclined to
women, to the same-sex.
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Seeing Virna had came out and
my mom going through so much,
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I felt like I couldn't.
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All that pain you saw in
your home. - right, right.
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So I just felt, sorry -
that's all right go ahead and
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I know that you did not want
to hurt your mom, that was huge.
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Sorry, so I think battling
with homosexuality it's more
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than that, there is a lot
of shame and guilt involved.
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Also fear, just knowing
how that would impact my whole
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family, knowing how
much she was going through.
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Besides my dad having a stroke
and it was putting a lot on her.
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- so what happened and I
know, so during that time
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where Virna is acting out
you started to act out more
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online at first. - yes, yes
I really kept it internalized
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for a long time,
for years actually.
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She was out for 20 some
years I was homophobic, really
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gay inside, I
was really confused.
00:24:30.83\00:24:32.85
My identity was really
shot, and male figures around me
00:24:32.89\00:24:37.55
would shoot little comments
here and there and put me
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down, that also didn't help.
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Confidence in a woman, so I felt
more comfortable with women.
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- so when you did come
out and your mom found out,
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how difficult was that for you?
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That's a crazy
question because I can see it
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in your tears right now.
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It was difficult but the
Lord was carrying me through
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that moment and He impressed
upon my heart and that was
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proof for me that He
was healing me from that.
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Because what was really
another thing that I would like
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you to talk about
really quick is as you came out
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you also had a relationship
as Virna was coming back to God.
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a relationship where
you are turning back to God
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and coming into a
right relationship.
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Right, so when we got
re-baptized together, maybe a
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few months after I had felt
impressed to tell my mom the
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truth. I know we serve a
God that is righteousness and
00:25:47.98\00:25:52.09
truth, He is full of truth.
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He wanted me to be up front
from lying all those years to
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everyone, so one day I sat
with her after breakfast and
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I waited for her to eat of
course and I took her hand and
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told her to do know who I
was living with in Florida for
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three years? She said
were you living with a man?
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And at that moment I wished, but
no I was living with a women.
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At that point I was
breaking up and tearing and she
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just looked at me
and we both cried.
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She goes oh when did
this happen, she had all these
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questions and I just brought
her to my room and cradled
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her and she said
I'm so sorry, so sorry.
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I said no I'm so
sorry, I'm so sorry.
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But she said if you told
me earlier, when Virna told me
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I think I would've just
given up on God altogether.
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We cried together and we
just know that was God's mercy
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because He does
everything out in His time.
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I wish we had so much time
to get into this, we are coming
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at the end of our program,
but I know Lisa that as you
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came to a place for you
are getting baptized and coming
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back around and being
honest with your mom, and your
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prayers are covering your
daughters I know that God is
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reconciling this and it is
incredibly hard to cover all
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of this in an hour, but what I
know is God covers it completely
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He covers a completely. - Amen.
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We are going to take a
break and come back and close.
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I would like everyone to
just come up during the close,
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not everyone in the café
but the whole family to come up
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and we're going to talk a
little bit so just stay with us.
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We serve a mighty
God, that is all I can say.
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