Welcome back, I love working
with everybody that comes
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on the set, I wish I
could introduce you to every
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single person in the café today.
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Each has a testimony and
on some of the other programs
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you will meet them.
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But today is about
Brian and you David.
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David Allen and I want
to say thank you for coming
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on and I know that you
and Brian work together.
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Before we get into that
can we talk about who you are
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and where you have come
from because your story is way
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different than Brian's.
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It is different, one thing
that I can say is I grew up
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in a middle-class, lower middle-
class family in Wasilla Alaska.
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When I grew up my parents,
God bless them, they were well-
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intentioned and did the
best they possibly could for me.
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My dad before I was born,
he had gone to jail several
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times for in-appropriate
behavior with the opposite
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gender and my mom - I
love the way you say that's so
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easy, I'm like wait. - it's
not me and they are not here
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today so I - so it's something
he wasn't really a part of
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in your life is where
your dad came from? - yeah.
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My mom had a psychological
condition very similar to
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autism and is called Aspergers
and that affects social
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skills and ability to recognize
and understand emotions
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in other people.
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For some people that don't
know that I have a friend that
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has the same kind of
thing and sometimes it is even
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helpful for them to
have a notebook with facial
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expressions that says this
is a happiness look like this,
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sadness looks like
this, anger looks like this.
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They are so disconnected
by not being able to interpret
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expressions that they
have cheater sheet. - yeah.
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So I don't think my mom
ever did that but it would have
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been very helpful if she had.
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So how this came together
was that emotions were not
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something I was allowed to
express, if I was frustrated
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with something it either was
punished for being expressed by
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one parent or completely
ignored as something weird by
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the other and so I
grew up with a lot of anger.
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I was embarrassed that I
had emotions and didn't know how
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to express them and didn't
know who to express them to
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so I became more frustrated.
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So I could see you watching
your mom and trying to get
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some kind of how to
act when you wouldn't
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have known as a small child
that she did know how to give
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you those clues. - yeah
so I didn't receive them.
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While she was very good at
teaching me in elementary school
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once I went to age 12 and
politics and gossips start to
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become the order of the
day in public schools, I was
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completely unequipped
to deal with all the rapid
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changes that were happening.
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I didn't know why all my
friends were abandoning me,
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I didn't know why it was
being invited anywhere, I didn't
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know why I was
being bullied and I had
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no system for
understanding that.
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I got out of high school
- you are the first person
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I have ever met, I mean I
have met people with those
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disorders, I met people
that have really struggled
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at living with those and
have really done a great job.
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I mean I has some really
good friends that struggle with
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that, with Aspergers and certain
elements of that but you are
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the first child of
someone with this disorder that
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I have ever met.
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You are looking and saying
I have no way to interpret the
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world, and that is
how I stepped into it.
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Angry. - yeah I stepped
into it angry and it got to
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the point that by the
time I was getting out of high
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school I was listening to
heavy metal and death metal
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music for probably
four to six hours a day.
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- because you connect with that?
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I could easily connect
with that and not that I have
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anything against it as a
style of music but the lyrics
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weren't help with me at all.
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So was trying to fuel my
anger and was using the anger as
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a motivation to do every
single thing, but it was scaring
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people and I didn't know
that I was scaring people.
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I bet you were too,
you know what I mean?
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I could hear you and just
see how that developed and
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everything in me says I
bet, because once we fit in
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anywhere it doesn't matter
where it is, but when you are
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desperately trying to fit
in and you find that niche I'm
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going to fulfill that niche
100%, 1000% and I could see
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you just saying okay here it is.
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So it looked for a
while that any evil forces or
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negative forces in my
life that wanted me to fail had
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me pretty much on a
fast freeway to wherever.
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I realized when I got
into college, at first I didn't
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know what I wanted to do
and then I decided I wanted to
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get into business, because
one thing my dad was always
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good at he said if you
want to study anything, study
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business and then study
whatever you want so that way
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you will at least know how
it works and you will be able
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to make good living for
yourself and your family.
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And you can develop
whatever is? - uh-huh.
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- that's awesome - so I
went into that and started
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studying salesmanship, I
was at a life insurance company
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and I was calling people
on this church directory and
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naturally most of these
people knew me growing up and
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being very angry so they
weren't ready to invite me into
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their house to talk to
their family about what would
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happen if one of them died
and try to get them to part
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with their hard-earned
money. - exactly and if you
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don't do it right you
may die right now. - yeah!
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We may just take care that?
- well if something happened to
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you yes so I was looking at
this church directory and there
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was one name that stuck
out and I saw this face and it
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was a redheaded face with
a beard and he had his wife
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and two kids there and
his name was Brian Shaw.
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- Oh so that's
for Brian comes in.
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I look at the name and
thought yet he used to go to my
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church, he goes to a different
one now, I should call him
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but I'm going to skip
that name and go to a different
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one on the list.
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So I called and did a bunch
of other lists and four months
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later finally I just decided
I'm going to call this name.
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I don't know why I was
scared to call this person, why?
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So I dialed his number
and meant talk to him about 15
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minutes, and maybe even
five and set up an appointment
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and got off the phone and I
talked to him for 45 minutes.
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So you connected right
away? Yeah, I thought I had this
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thing in the bag so I set
the appointment and came over
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and try to sell him the
insurance and I learned about
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emotional intelligence instead.
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I started my journey towards
personal development ever
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since. - that's
what his passion was.
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It is very rare to find
someone whose passion was
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stronger than my own.
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So what did you learn about
emotional intelligence because
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you have been dying for that
information your whole life.
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Without even knowing it
your whole life has been
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wanting to know this.
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And God knew that, praise
the Lord because when I was
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getting started and Brian
was meeting with me and teaching
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me these principles from
the Bible a couple of times
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people would meet with
him and take him aside and say
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Brian do not work
with David. - he's angry!
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He's angry, probably one of
those people who will end up
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killing his mother one
day and so yeah but luckily
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so even with you saying that
what people don't realize is
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that your anger
was tangible. - um hmm.
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So lots of people were
just frightened about that?
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- yeah, so luckily Brian
duly noted this and listen to
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God and decided to act
anyway and he became the first
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of what would be many people
who would be very supportive
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of me, listening and
understanding my emotions and it
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became a bridge
between me and developing
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a relationship with God. - Amen!
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So you know I'm so proud of
Brian, and proud that he saw
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that, and proud that he
didn't back away from it
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because of his own anger
it didn't scare him more than
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likely and we will talk
to him about that later.
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But it probably didn't
scare you at all and so to me
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what was it like and tell
me some of the first things
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that you learned about
waking all that stuff up?
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Okay the first thing I realized
is that with relationships
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what I had back then
was a tit-for-tat thing.
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You would do something, I
would do something for you and
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I would expect you to do
something for me and it's going
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to be whatever I want it
to be and you will do it now.
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It's if you don't then
you are a lousy person.
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- And I don't want a
relationship with you.
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- I learned that people
don't like that very much.
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I was able to watch how
Brian interacted with people and
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I was able to go to different
churches and watch how other
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people interacted with one
another and I got involved with
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community theater and I started
to notice the social norms
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with how my family operated,
that isn't how other people
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operate, there is another
way a better way of living.
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You know I just want to say
David, I feel so proud of us
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as Christians, I'm proud
of God that no matter where
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we come from, God says
I've known you since you were
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a little boy and I know
exactly what you need right
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now and that is
what I'm going to do.
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Your journey is so much
different than mine but I really
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proud of God because I know
you need to watch people and
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you need someone to really
reach in and spend that time
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and understand where you
come from and don't you get
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proud of God that He
does all of that for us?
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- I do, I do. - so as
you're watching that and realize
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in the social norms you
came from are not what is out
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there and you're
going to now learn something
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that is going to help
you to step into the next
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part of your recovery.
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You must've been a scary
time and an exciting time?
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- it was, I was challenged
on a lot of issues and one of
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the first issues I was
challenged with was the issue of
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this really dark
music I was listening to.
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Because the person teaching
me, Brian here he knew that
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if I continued to listen to
that four to six hours a day
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and continue to try to be
angry on a perpetual basis
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I wouldn't be able to listen
or learn to become someone
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who had someone
best interest in mind.
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- exactly because a lot
of the anger is all self
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focused and what he is
trying to teach you is to be
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other focused
right now. - absolutely!
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There were something I
learned in my own recovery is
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that I'm oversensitive and
have all these abuse issues
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and somebody said to me
is that God created us to be
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oversensitive, to be
sensitive to the needs of others
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not of our own, I
thought oh stop, because mine
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was always about me.
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So it's like not being
able to turn that around a
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little bit and he's
saying to break away from that
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stuff so you can get it
turned around, dialed in.
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Cool. Awesome so now
you're at a place where you're
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starting to cut the
music down because that is a
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addiction, high
adrenaline, high energy thing.
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It is very addictive. -
Well one thing I have noticed
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I very much like freedom
and it comes from being rejected
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as a kid and I learned
that I have this desire whether
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it is sometimes healthy or
sometimes not to be everything
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to myself, so one thing I
did was I took all the cd's
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I had, probably several
hundred of them and put them all
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in a box and taped the box
shut and put it in the trunk
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of my car. - so I still
have it. - I still have it
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and can always go back to
it if I want to because it's
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right there, but
knowing that I could gave me the
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freedom to
choose not to as well.
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- exactly and for some of
us that has to be the step.
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When someone says, even
when I say to somebody is that
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you just have to get rid
of that and see the panic in
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their eyes, step back a
little bit and take that step.
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Just put it over
here for a minute.
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That's why people say with
a lot of recovery programs to
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take one day at a time.
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We are not asking you to
stay away from whatever has
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got a hold on you for a eternity
we are just asking you to
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do right now and do it today.
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- Even for this
hour, that's awesome.
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So that was the
beginning of your journey.
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- it was - that's awesome
so now with that being cut out
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your free to feel something
other than anger? - yes.
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But that is new too,
so how does that feel?
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Well it felt wonderful, he
loaned me books on business,
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Christian leadership of
John C. Maxwell and different
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authors like that and I
went to a seminar, a man named
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Leo Screven came up and
did an All Power Seminar
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and I attended that.
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I love Leo, he's a
good friend of mine.
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So I started paying
attention to all the sources of
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wisdom and knowledge and
just became acknowledged junkie.
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Almost a sponge? - yes.
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Can you remember, and this
is something I remember in my
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own recovery, can you
remember the first time that you
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laughed and it was an honest
laugh in this part of your
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journey? Did you
just feel like oh?
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I compensated with laughter for
many reasons so I always used
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laughter, it was always genuine.
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An issue I had my house
with my mom with her Aspergers
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I would make a joke and
she would be so oversensitive
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and unable to understand
that it was joke and would take
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offense at everything I said.
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So I had to find other
places where to use humor.
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That was never really an
issue for me looking for genuine
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laughter. - okay so now
that you are starting to look at
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the business thing and starting
to get your legs underneath you
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as far as the music with
the 6 hours a day, the music is
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releasing you and even opening
up time which is amazing.
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When people talk about
addictions, like even the social
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network addictions, or whatever
addiction is that we spend
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a large amount of
time on those addictions
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and when we get that freed
up, what do you do with it?
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You've gotten some business
stuff, you're starting to
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get your passion about that?
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I'm starting to get my
passion yeah, one thing
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I had put on the
back burner and completely
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forgot about was writing.
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I wrote stories when
I was in first grade,
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I was homeschooled and I
wrote a story that I entered
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into a contest run
by PBS and I won it for
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my state, for my grade.
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- so you loved to write?
- I love to write and then
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through 3-5 grade I
wrote two more books probably
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about 30 pages long,
not really big but they were
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volunteer work and I was
doing it because I loved it.
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And then there was a dark
time in my life when I went to
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middle school and I was
unprepared and didn't understand
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social relationships so I
tried to become stronger and
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looking tough and more
capable of generating fear in
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other people so I could survive.
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I can see you doing that yeah.
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So I forgot about writing
and took this idea of turning
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these principles into a book
that reawakened that desire.
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So now I want you to talk
about the whole principle and
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looking at
socially how people do.
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What about that first thing
that David talked about, that
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trust? What did that look
like in your life as you got
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a hold of that I need to start?
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Yeah, so there are three
things that I learned from the
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very first day, and even
today I'm still working on them.
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They are having integrity,
having other people's best
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interest in mind,
and getting the job done.
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I had integrity to
a reasonable degree.
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And I ended up getting the
job done because that was what
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my parents cared about the most.
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But having other people's
best interest in mind, now that
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was an issue because it was
pretty much nonexistent in my
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household, so I didn't
understand that that was a
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component trust and
when that was being violated,
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I knew I was being violated,
I knew there is something
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wrong, but I had no way to
express it because the people
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to whom I would have to
express it had no concept of it.
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So I would be frustrated at
not know why and think it was
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wrong with me, but thank
God I was able to learn about
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these principles and I
learned to know there is nothing
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wrong with me, at
least not in that aspect.
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Having other people's
best interest in mind is a
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legitimate need and
everybody including you David
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has needs in other people.
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I have to just say most people
in recovery we are so self
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focused,
incredibly self focused.
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So can you give us a little
bit of a step, how do you go
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from self focused to turning
out and really caring about
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the heart of the person in
front of you, or the life of
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the person in front of you?
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Just having healthy relation-
ships around you, watching
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other people around you put
aside their needs for a little
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while to pay attention to
you and knowing that those needs
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are going to be
met in the future.
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Just because you set them
down for a second, no one is
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going to run away and grab
them and you are going to see
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those needs again if you
care about them that much
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they are not going to go away.
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Exactly! And to me what a
gift to even say this out loud
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and being able to say to
put them down for a moment and
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know that they are just
as important, but right now
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I'm going to care for the
person in front of me and they
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are going to be everything
right now in this moment I want
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them to know that I
care about your passion and
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your needs and your dreams.
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What we can do for each
other that is a gift and being
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able to like what you and
Brian have talked about is
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making that three people
at first, not just everybody,
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three people and then
add a different level the 12,
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and then a
different level the 70.
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But for these three people
in my life I want to be so
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involved in their lives
that they know that I know who
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they are, I see
them. You know what I mean?
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That is awesome. To me
as you are talking of where
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you grew up in the home
you grew up this is incredible
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it's almost like somebody
put you on life support for
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a moment and taught you
this. You know what I mean?
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Healing and that is huge.
- will there is a reason that
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these type or relationships
are called lifeline
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relationships, they
are met to sustain you.
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They are meant to pick you
up when you are feeling down.
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- exactly, and
change everything.
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What's really incredible
about this kind of healing,
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what you and Brian have put
together is that if I can get
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that, when I turn
around to get my thing back,
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when I pick it up because
you said you set it aside and
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look at a
person in front of you.
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But when I turn around
and pick it up again it's more
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substantial, because I've
grown a little bit by being
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able to connect
with this person.
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So my interest, my passions,
my dreams actually become
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more real because my
relationships are more real so
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it all goes
together after a while.
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There's a story that I
would like to talk to about.
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I basically took the Harvard
business school version of
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learning how to put
aside my needs for a moment.
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My mom came back from a
mission trip teaching English in
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South Korea, which was her
first time overseas and it was
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very exciting for her, but
she came back in a wheelchair.
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She had Lou Gehrig's disease
which is a terminal illness
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where the body
painfully and slowly shuts down.
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Starting with the fingers
and working its way to the lungs
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until you die. - wow,
wow! - My mom didn't want
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anyone to know that she
was sick for a while and didn't
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want to have anyone else
help her so what I ended up
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doing was that put aside
my schooling and stopped the
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business I was involved in
and I spent my time learning
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how to take care of her.
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So I didn't have a nursing
degree and I was scared of the
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idea of doing nursing as a
profession but I had to learn
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how to take care of people
outside of school and really
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learn how to spend all
my time with this woman
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who brought me into this
world and I spent six months.
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- you still love her
and was going through
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this process with her.
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Yeah and I was in real
estate at the time and I had
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made my first and last
sale after about month six which
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was the sale of my
childhood home to pay for the
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medical care that she
needed and she was able to
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rely on that for
the rest of her life.
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Wow to me I can't imagine,
I really can see how God
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used that to you outside of
yourself but I can't imagine
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emotionally, you'd then
felt everything from joy to
00:21:11.14\00:21:15.51
despair. - Um Hmm.
- during that time.
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Did she survive,
is she still alive?
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No she's not, she died two
weeks before her 60th birthday
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in 2009. - Wow - and I had
already bought a plane ticket
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to come up and visit her
and all I was going to do was
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finish my final exams and go
up and she died before my final
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exams were completed.
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I'm sorry about your mom,
I'm thrilled that you were in
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a place where you can
care for her and that you could
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go in and put things
aside and just so you know what,
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I'm actually here for you
in whatever you need during
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this time. That is incredible.
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It wasn't easy, it was
one of the most difficult
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experiences in my life, but I
am glad I went through it now.
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It changed you? -Um Hmmm.
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What's really for a lot of
us is that we think that as
00:22:03.53\00:22:09.13
we learn these things
and we come into healing as
00:22:09.17\00:22:11.97
we figure it out that everything
is going to work out but
00:22:12.00\00:22:15.43
life still happens, tragedy
still happens but we have
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tools that grow us
during those tragedies.
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So tell me more
about your journey?
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I mean the journey with your
parents it sounds like you were
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able to resolve some of
that anger stuff and during the
00:22:35.46\00:22:39.49
time you cared for her in
the last part of her life being
00:22:39.52\00:22:43.52
able to resolve some of
that and understand her at a
00:22:43.56\00:22:46.37
different level. - it was, there
were a couple times were we came
00:22:46.40\00:22:50.25
a head because she
had trouble understanding
00:22:50.29\00:22:52.14
emotions and she was relying
on me not as her 3 or her
00:22:52.17\00:22:57.84
12 but as her 1 and 1 and
so she had a lot of needs and
00:22:57.88\00:23:03.51
only need to meet them.
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One thing that was great
about her is that she read her
00:23:05.21\00:23:07.90
Bible every day, she
prayed and she made a dramatic
00:23:07.94\00:23:10.68
transformation in her
life and she became much more
00:23:10.71\00:23:13.18
peaceful and she was
going through these last several
00:23:13.21\00:23:15.64
months then when I
seen her when she was well.
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Well, so you got to see that.
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I'm going to go him take
a break and then bring Brian
00:23:19.52\00:23:23.55
backup so that we can close
this out with the two of you
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because I got a really
good sense of your journey and
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I am so, I don't know if
it's appropriate for me to say
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I'm so proud of you, but
the things you have looked at
00:23:35.40\00:23:38.72
and the things that you
have confronted and the steps
00:23:38.76\00:23:42.05
you have made, how cool is that?
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I just want to say praise
God for that, you could have
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said no along the way,
you could set I'm not put many
00:23:47.51\00:23:50.65
music aside, I'm not
looking at any of this stuff but
00:23:50.69\00:23:53.79
you didn't you
said yes to all of it.
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And in our recovery the
only way we are going to get
00:23:55.41\00:23:58.28
healing and recovery is
when we start saying yes, even
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against the things that we
know have worked in our life.
00:24:01.15\00:24:04.19
I'm proud of you that you
did that. We're going ahead
00:24:04.22\00:24:06.89
and take a break and I
want to bring Brian back up and
00:24:06.92\00:24:11.12
have a sense of how all
this fit in and how they are
00:24:11.16\00:24:14.71
helping people stand up
and hopefully somebody is
00:24:14.75\00:24:17.98
listening and you hear
the fact that when you start
00:24:18.01\00:24:21.11
saying you want to change
God will put things in place
00:24:21.14\00:24:24.20
that will just wow
you, absolutely wow you.
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Be right back, stay with us!
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