Welcome to Celebrating Life In Recovery, I'm Cheri your 00:00:11.17\00:00:13.79 host and today we're going to talk about rejection and 00:00:13.82\00:00:16.71 everything that comes with that when we spin out of 00:00:16.75\00:00:20.00 control and how God just grabs us and brings us to 00:00:20.04\00:00:23.26 recovery, it's amazing. 00:00:23.30\00:00:24.87 Come join us in the café. 00:00:24.91\00:00:26.45 This season is one of my absolute favorites because we're 00:00:54.13\00:00:57.29 talking about core recovery stuff. 00:00:57.32\00:01:00.76 In this particular program we are going to talk about not 00:01:00.79\00:01:04.19 only what the addiction looks like, because the addiction 00:01:04.22\00:01:08.31 looks like an addiction, drugs, alcohol, acting out, with 00:01:08.34\00:01:12.40 relationships and doing all that stuff. 00:01:12.43\00:01:14.62 When you get into recovery the genius of what God offers 00:01:14.66\00:01:19.06 us is that He says let Me show you now what was at the 00:01:19.09\00:01:23.45 bottom of all that, and what led you to reach out 00:01:23.49\00:01:26.37 for those addictions. 00:01:26.41\00:01:27.70 For me I'm a molested kid, I have all that stuff and the 00:01:27.74\00:01:31.54 first time I did a drug and didn't feel pain I thought 00:01:31.58\00:01:35.35 Wahoo, I love this stuff. 00:01:35.39\00:01:38.28 It was for the first time something that worked, 00:01:38.32\00:01:41.16 the same with relationships. 00:01:41.20\00:01:42.52 When I got into relationships I felt that first couple 00:01:42.55\00:01:46.48 weeks you feel loved and everything is passionate and 00:01:46.52\00:01:49.57 they don't even remember your name half the time. 00:01:49.60\00:01:53.01 At least where I was running it wasn't about that for 00:01:53.05\00:01:56.42 anybody, but that first part of it where you are 00:01:56.46\00:01:59.00 everything thing to someone and that was what I was 00:01:59.03\00:02:02.45 addicted to and it all came from those core issues of 00:02:02.48\00:02:05.52 being rejected and not being loved, and being abused 00:02:05.56\00:02:08.56 and all that stuff. 00:02:08.60\00:02:09.65 When you get into looking at a true healing, it's not only 00:02:09.68\00:02:14.54 about walking out a what has got you by the throat, or 00:02:14.58\00:02:18.51 what really has tripped you up for worse it's looking at 00:02:18.54\00:02:22.44 and asking the Holy Spirit show me everything. 00:02:22.48\00:02:26.06 Show me everything, I want to see it all. 00:02:26.10\00:02:28.74 When I see it teach me how to surrender it. 00:02:28.78\00:02:31.35 Teach me how to surrender the negative thoughts, there 00:02:31.39\00:02:35.99 wasn't a day that I didn't have thoughts of suicide or 00:02:36.02\00:02:40.58 worthlessness or if somebody really knew me, 00:02:40.62\00:02:43.70 they wouldn't even want me here. 00:02:43.73\00:02:45.29 Or I would say something and it would be funny and 00:02:45.33\00:02:48.11 I would say that was dumb. 00:02:48.15\00:02:49.93 I would say that to myself and it was this running 00:02:49.96\00:02:52.08 dialogue of this negative stuff. 00:02:52.12\00:02:54.75 It was fine when I was high because when I decided to 00:02:54.79\00:02:57.22 smoke a joint or do some drugs or take a drink or 00:02:57.25\00:02:59.64 whatever and all that will go away. 00:02:59.68\00:03:01.09 Or someone would fall in love with me and all that was 00:03:01.12\00:03:03.77 gone, but as soon as I got quiet or by myself again 00:03:03.81\00:03:06.39 those thoughts just start going, and they are relentless, 00:03:06.42\00:03:10.41 I mean relentless, and some of you know exactly what 00:03:10.42\00:03:13.34 I'm talking about, it's like the whole room could be 00:03:13.38\00:03:16.03 looking together and I'm thinking I wish I was like them. 00:03:16.07\00:03:20.03 I wish I could walk in the room and do it as easy as she 00:03:20.06\00:03:23.77 does it or I wish I had the friendships in the family that 00:03:23.81\00:03:27.48 he has. For that negative thinking always follows us. 00:03:27.51\00:03:32.47 If you are a rejected kid and have those issues you will 00:03:32.50\00:03:37.96 have a number of things that will not let you go until 00:03:38.00\00:03:42.21 you finally say, God what are they? What are they? 00:03:42.25\00:03:46.39 A lot of times we have to really look at them, we have to 00:03:46.43\00:03:50.52 find a way to surrender them to God. 00:03:50.56\00:03:52.96 What the coolest thing is as they leave and as you get 00:03:52.99\00:03:58.24 some peace and silence is that God puts in their place 00:03:58.27\00:04:03.49 just good stuff, good stuff. 00:04:03.52\00:04:07.50 All of a sudden one day I remember the first time I felt 00:04:07.54\00:04:10.86 like I was really was loved by God, not something that's 00:04:10.89\00:04:13.92 going to last two weeks, not something that's going to 00:04:13.95\00:04:16.94 leave but I was loved and lovable. 00:04:16.98\00:04:20.28 I was, shut up, how fun is that? 00:04:20.32\00:04:23.55 Just stop, I couldn't even stand it. 00:04:23.59\00:04:25.66 As I got that I realized that I could stand up 00:04:25.69\00:04:29.51 straighter, I could be in a friendship, I could bring 00:04:29.54\00:04:33.29 something to the table in relationships. 00:04:33.32\00:04:35.62 All of a sudden all this junk was, He said let me clear 00:04:35.66\00:04:39.63 the table for you and let Me show you who I really 00:04:39.66\00:04:42.50 created you to be, and I'm telling you it is all good. 00:04:42.53\00:04:45.33 We are going to talk about that especially today. 00:04:45.37\00:04:47.82 I want to welcome Ashley, you are from McBride Canada? 00:04:47.85\00:04:51.01 Yes, a small town. - We met a couple years ago. 00:04:51.04\00:04:54.30 Yes we did. - and as I'm talking about what these 00:04:54.33\00:04:57.52 programs are about, can you relate to any of that stuff? 00:04:57.56\00:05:00.72 It is funny that you say that because even though like 00:05:00.76\00:05:04.36 I watched this first show probably four years ago, and 00:05:04.40\00:05:08.08 it wasn't a topic that had necessarily to do with anything 00:05:08.12\00:05:11.76 with what I have been going through. 00:05:11.80\00:05:13.87 There was something I could pull out of it that did 00:05:13.90\00:05:17.14 pertain to my life and I knew the first time I watched 00:05:17.17\00:05:20.37 that show that I had to meet you someday. 00:05:20.41\00:05:22.42 I actually said that out loud. 00:05:22.45\00:05:24.66 In my house it is just me and my dog and I was like, 00:05:24.70\00:05:29.01 God I have to meet that woman someday. 00:05:29.05\00:05:30.94 Someday, well what I love about that is because there's 00:05:30.97\00:05:34.09 a lot people won't get that. I have felt that in my own 00:05:34.12\00:05:36.88 life about someone is that I think your heart cry was 00:05:36.92\00:05:39.49 you wanted to be in recovery, I want to have that 00:05:39.53\00:05:42.07 journey where I can get rid of this stuff. 00:05:42.10\00:05:44.70 We did met a couple years ago so before we get into 00:05:44.74\00:05:49.89 why I brought you here because I brought you here for a 00:05:49.90\00:05:52.70 specific reason to share your journey with us. 00:05:52.74\00:05:55.69 I love the fact of how God pulls people together. 00:05:55.73\00:05:58.64 We cannot do recovery by ourselves. 00:05:58.68\00:06:01.97 I want to tell a story before we get into that. 00:06:02.01\00:06:03.89 If you were blind, just imagine you are blind and you 00:06:03.92\00:06:08.94 live by yourself, you were talking about you and your dog 00:06:08.97\00:06:13.95 there watching movie, or the program. 00:06:13.98\00:06:17.12 But let's say you are blind and you live by yourself. 00:06:17.16\00:06:19.73 I can kind of straight up the house, and you know what 00:06:19.76\00:06:22.59 I mean? I know that this is a table and where it fits 00:06:22.63\00:06:25.43 and stuff like that. 00:06:25.46\00:06:26.49 I have gotten used to things in the house so I can kind 00:06:26.53\00:06:29.94 of straight up but I am blind. Right? 00:06:29.97\00:06:31.69 I really need to call someone that is sighted to help me 00:06:31.73\00:06:36.64 out, especially with stuff that gets in the corners. 00:06:36.67\00:06:40.96 The things that are not as easy to see and cleanup, 00:06:40.99\00:06:44.33 well I can't see, you know what I mean I can't see. 00:06:44.37\00:06:47.67 So my sighted friend can help me with that. 00:06:47.71\00:06:50.38 In our recovery, we are blind when we first walked in. 00:06:50.41\00:06:54.91 You saw the Celebrating Life In Recovery program and 00:06:54.94\00:06:58.34 there were a lot of things you were totally blind to. 00:06:58.37\00:07:01.73 I was credible to be a part of Ashley's life 00:07:01.77\00:07:04.92 before we even met was we were like the sighted friend 00:07:04.96\00:07:07.99 that came in and said let me show you some stuff. 00:07:08.02\00:07:11.52 Then we met, man there was alot of stuff, Ashley get over here. 00:07:11.55\00:07:15.62 There was a lot more stuff than I really thought there 00:07:15.66\00:07:19.69 was actually, I want to tell how we met for sure 00:07:19.73\00:07:23.89 because it is huge in the recovery process that 00:07:23.93\00:07:28.05 I have been going through. 00:07:28.09\00:07:29.39 I had gone to Esther Martins were you stayed at the first 00:07:29.43\00:07:33.92 time and I said I was watching the show and 00:07:33.95\00:07:36.41 I have to meet her. 00:07:36.45\00:07:37.84 She said all we are working on it don't worry. 00:07:37.87\00:07:40.22 I think it was probably two months later that I saw in the 00:07:40.26\00:07:43.30 bulletin that you are coming to McBride and I'm like oh no. 00:07:43.34\00:07:48.34 I wanted to meet her someday but I think it would happen. 00:07:48.38\00:07:52.86 Just because I said a lot like to meet a famous person 00:07:52.90\00:07:57.35 someday and before and. - did she say famous? 00:07:57.38\00:08:00.73 I love that. - so it was just like you never think it is 00:08:00.76\00:08:06.35 actually going to happen. 00:08:06.38\00:08:07.57 It did and it was so crazy because the day that you showed 00:08:07.60\00:08:12.87 up in McBride and I came with my friend to your show, 00:08:12.91\00:08:16.39 or the program you had that evening in the town. 00:08:16.42\00:08:19.59 I went there and I knew I needed to talk to you but I was 00:08:19.63\00:08:23.44 too scared, I was like no I'm not dealing with my junk, 00:08:23.48\00:08:27.26 I'm just not going to. 00:08:27.30\00:08:28.60 I prayed inside and said okay God, if you use Your will 00:08:28.63\00:08:32.03 I need to talk to her she is going to have to come to me 00:08:32.06\00:08:35.42 because I am too chicken to go. 00:08:35.46\00:08:36.92 And sure enough at the end of the program a bunch of 00:08:36.96\00:08:40.33 people had left and my friend and I were standing at the 00:08:40.37\00:08:43.47 back and you just out of the blue turnaround and said 00:08:43.51\00:08:46.58 now what is your story? 00:08:46.61\00:08:48.39 I'm like aught oh, here we go. 00:08:48.43\00:08:51.26 But it was amazing to me, what I love about God is that 00:08:51.30\00:08:55.42 He does that for us. 00:08:55.46\00:08:56.75 We are in a place of recovery, and that is for any of us, 00:08:56.78\00:08:59.24 when we are in a place of recovery and we open ourselves 00:08:59.27\00:09:02.01 up to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit says whatever you 00:09:02.04\00:09:04.75 need I will set it in front of you. 00:09:04.78\00:09:06.45 Whether it is a crazy heroine addict in recovery or 00:09:06.49\00:09:09.01 whether it is somebody, it doesn't matter. 00:09:09.05\00:09:11.57 God said I will set that person in front of you because 00:09:11.60\00:09:14.39 I love you and it was so clear when we started talking. 00:09:14.42\00:09:17.48 I said, let's go back to where I was staying and we stayed 00:09:17.52\00:09:20.63 up all night long - it was one in the morning talking. 00:09:20.67\00:09:24.55 It was crazy and you know it's funny because I started 00:09:24.58\00:09:28.03 talking to you about some of things because those were the 00:09:28.07\00:09:31.48 things I thought were the real issue. 00:09:31.52\00:09:33.78 It was like I was completely blinded by it thinking that 00:09:33.81\00:09:38.57 nothing else happened it was just this. 00:09:38.61\00:09:41.86 So I opened up to you to that night ended up down the road 00:09:41.89\00:09:46.44 being a little more than that. 00:09:46.48\00:09:48.00 What was amazing to me was that as you started your 00:09:48.03\00:09:52.05 journey where you opened up I watched God just capture 00:09:52.09\00:09:56.18 your heart and it reminded me of Jeremiah 29:11 where 00:09:56.22\00:09:59.27 it talks about, and I know that is your favorite, 00:09:59.30\00:10:02.32 your favorite text. 00:10:02.36\00:10:03.94 But it talks about I know the plans that I have for you, 00:10:03.98\00:10:07.43 plans to prosper you and not to harm you, to give you 00:10:07.46\00:10:11.81 hope and a future, but it goes on to say in like 13 is 00:10:11.84\00:10:15.36 that when you search for Me with all your heart you will 00:10:15.40\00:10:18.77 find Me and a lot of people when they read that it is 00:10:18.80\00:10:22.13 almost like they think what to search mean? 00:10:22.17\00:10:24.87 Does that mean when God thinks I'm honest enough in my 00:10:24.90\00:10:27.82 search? When God thinks I worked hard enough? I'm diligently 00:10:27.86\00:10:31.65 searching, when it says with all my heart. 00:10:31.68\00:10:34.81 I think it means when you fall in love with Me, 00:10:34.85\00:10:37.18 when you're heart opens up to Me. 00:10:37.22\00:10:39.17 It's a heart search, it's no longer a head search and 00:10:39.20\00:10:42.85 that night I watched you go from your head to your heart. 00:10:42.89\00:10:46.50 I just thought no way, I watched. 00:10:46.54\00:10:50.04 What was amazing to me Ashley, because I think you are 00:10:50.07\00:10:54.25 amazing, I love you and I love your talent and I love who you 00:10:54.28\00:10:57.94 are as a person, but what I saw was this hardness in-your- 00:10:57.97\00:11:01.59 face turn soft. - and I felt it, I really did. 00:11:01.63\00:11:05.57 It was the next evening after the church service and stuff 00:11:05.60\00:11:09.36 that we were doing the anointing ceremony that after that 00:11:09.40\00:11:14.01 that I really felt okay, alright I'm a little scared but 00:11:14.04\00:11:18.62 let's go on this journey. 00:11:18.65\00:11:20.28 You are really doing the whole God thing before? 00:11:20.31\00:11:24.04 Well I was playing the part I guess. 00:11:24.07\00:11:25.96 I was sitting in church and raised Adventist most of my 00:11:26.00\00:11:30.58 life and been to church most of my life, I spent six 00:11:30.61\00:11:34.13 years out of church partying and doing things and stuff 00:11:34.17\00:11:38.22 like that that you know not wanting God and submerging 00:11:38.25\00:11:42.27 myself and things that God couldn't be a part of. 00:11:42.30\00:11:45.84 But He was still always there. That is the crazy part. 00:11:45.87\00:11:48.96 It's just amazing that He's there. 00:11:49.00\00:11:54.26 So what that night did for you I watched and listened 00:11:54.30\00:11:57.80 because we have been in contact since that night, but 00:11:57.84\00:12:01.08 I have watched and listened as God became a part of your 00:12:01.12\00:12:05.40 life everyday, it was like this journey is a journey 00:12:05.44\00:12:09.69 with God and I with Holy Spirit. 00:12:09.72\00:12:11.70 Yeah exactly and even though I had been growing up in 00:12:11.74\00:12:15.17 church, I had never actually really felt God there. 00:12:15.20\00:12:18.79 It never really felt real to me, it was going through 00:12:18.82\00:12:22.65 the motions and sometimes I think it seems like it is 00:12:22.69\00:12:25.96 easier if you have never been in church to come then to 00:12:26.00\00:12:29.24 be raised in it and not feel like you are actually 00:12:29.27\00:12:33.21 a part of it and you feel like a hypocrite. 00:12:33.25\00:12:35.19 To know all the words - yet know all the words but not 00:12:35.22\00:12:39.33 really feel it and really believe it in yourself. 00:12:39.36\00:12:41.08 You know you hear God say I love you and not believe it. 00:12:41.12\00:12:44.49 It's just like I will go to church because that's what 00:12:44.52\00:12:47.95 we do. - there's things that I know about you that 00:12:47.98\00:12:51.61 I want to bring in, or bring that to the table too. 00:12:51.65\00:12:55.21 You are hearing God saying I will never leave or forsake 00:12:55.25\00:12:58.84 you or any of that stuff, as your dad is leaving. 00:12:58.87\00:13:01.10 So you have had rejection from the time you were tiny. 00:13:01.13\00:13:04.34 So even talk about that, you are in church and hearing 00:13:04.37\00:13:07.01 all the right words but your life is not reflecting 00:13:07.05\00:13:09.66 anything right. - no it is not. 00:13:09.69\00:13:11.37 Because every girl wants their dad to be a part of their 00:13:11.41\00:13:15.62 life and it's hard because I have always dreamed of 00:13:15.66\00:13:20.31 getting married someday and having him walk 00:13:20.35\00:13:22.70 me down the aisle. 00:13:22.73\00:13:24.07 And when you hear people say God is your Father, 00:13:24.11\00:13:28.49 I didn't want to hear it, it was no because my dads like 00:13:28.52\00:13:32.18 no I don't want to hear it, I don't want to hear 00:13:32.21\00:13:35.50 the word father thank you because I had to start 00:13:35.54\00:13:38.76 relating to God more as a friend then a father at first. 00:13:38.79\00:13:42.65 It was just too painful because even though you have all 00:13:42.69\00:13:46.25 the promises, people are you having His promises just 00:13:46.28\00:13:49.69 believe them and you can't if you have had nothing but 00:13:49.72\00:13:53.10 broken promises your whole life. 00:13:53.13\00:13:56.06 Even hearing God's promises is like well He's going to 00:13:56.09\00:14:00.45 let me down because everybody else has. 00:14:00.49\00:14:02.82 When is that shoe going to drop? - Yeah, Exactly. 00:14:02.86\00:14:06.81 Growing up without a father was really hard because I 00:14:06.84\00:14:11.59 never really felt good enough, never really felt like 00:14:11.62\00:14:16.33 I really mattered that much. 00:14:16.37\00:14:18.25 I remember you saying one time, When am I going to be 00:14:18.28\00:14:21.25 enough and I remember you saying that and the sadness 00:14:21.28\00:14:24.21 of this incredible woman, saying when am I? 00:14:24.24\00:14:29.97 When is it going to happen for me? 00:14:30.00\00:14:31.19 Until recently, a few months ago were my dad again, 00:14:31.23\00:14:35.70 things have been going so well for the last year and 00:14:35.73\00:14:39.51 a half and he would call me when he came to town and 00:14:39.55\00:14:43.25 we would hang out and he would let me money to do things. 00:14:43.29\00:14:46.14 To help out with stuff and things were, were so amazing 00:14:46.18\00:14:49.00 and I had actually let those walls down and let him 00:14:49.04\00:14:51.83 completely in to the point where it was scary. 00:14:51.86\00:14:57.15 I wanted it to be so real and then that all came crashing 00:14:57.19\00:15:00.62 down I noticed a few months ago because he wrote me another 00:15:00.66\00:15:04.06 letter saying that he didn't feel I appreciated him. 00:15:04.10\00:15:08.20 - I'm cutting you out of my life! 00:15:08.23\00:15:09.91 - yeah exactly and I'm just going to cut everybody out 00:15:09.94\00:15:13.22 of my life and yourself included. 00:15:13.26\00:15:15.53 You know I couldn't breathe, I was at my grandmas house 00:15:15.57\00:15:21.51 I had to go home, I just had to go home and I was laying 00:15:21.54\00:15:26.24 there at home and feeling tempted to cut and stuff like 00:15:26.28\00:15:31.23 that and something told me Ashley - you went by that 00:15:31.26\00:15:35.26 really fast and nobody knows what cutting means. 00:15:35.30\00:15:39.26 So tell them your history of that. 00:15:39.30\00:15:41.61 With cutting I started cutting when I was in high school, 00:15:41.64\00:15:45.24 not very often. - what does cutting mean? 00:15:45.27\00:15:48.76 I would take a knife and start cutting on me and 00:15:48.79\00:15:54.22 I've got scars are my arms and stuff. 00:15:54.26\00:15:56.92 Because I wanted the emotional pain to go away, I wanted 00:15:56.95\00:16:00.72 to feel something physical, something real, 00:16:00.76\00:16:03.66 am I really still alive so to see myself bleed 00:16:03.70\00:16:06.57 it meant I was alive. 00:16:06.60\00:16:08.16 Then that peace that came out of that, I know it sounds 00:16:08.19\00:16:12.63 weird. - it sounds weird but a lot of people want to 00:16:12.67\00:16:17.07 understand what does that mean for someone? 00:16:17.11\00:16:21.48 I love your description, I don't feel real, and I don't 00:16:21.51\00:16:25.65 feel real enough and I don't feel, I don't feel. 00:16:25.68\00:16:28.65 When I cut, when I see that blood at least I know that 00:16:28.69\00:16:34.89 I am real, I am alive. - exactly, exactly. 00:16:34.92\00:16:39.01 So when going back with what happened with my dad 00:16:39.04\00:16:43.29 recently here I had that temptation again to cut and 00:16:43.33\00:16:47.60 then goodness like six years before the last time and 00:16:47.63\00:16:52.11 I was laying there and say God where do I start being 00:16:52.15\00:16:55.80 good enough. He just whispered Ashley you have always 00:16:55.84\00:16:59.46 been good enough for Me, always! 00:16:59.49\00:17:02.38 - what did that do to your heart? 00:17:02.42\00:17:05.24 I just had this peace and all of a sudden, it was like I 00:17:05.27\00:17:10.83 actually gotten to the point finally where I felt okay. 00:17:10.86\00:17:16.38 He is real, He is really who He says He is. 00:17:16.42\00:17:20.79 It was like God is not going to let me down, even if 00:17:20.83\00:17:23.40 everybody else does He won't, He won't 00:17:23.43\00:17:25.82 He's always going to be there. 00:17:25.86\00:17:27.01 I went to our Vespers program after that and the support 00:17:27.04\00:17:31.80 I had was just amazing, I had always before I'm going to 00:17:31.83\00:17:36.55 do this on my own so I would pretend I was okay. 00:17:36.58\00:17:39.37 People would ask me how are you doing and I would say, 00:17:39.41\00:17:42.34 oh I am good and inside I like do you really want to know? 00:17:42.38\00:17:45.28 You really don't right? 00:17:45.32\00:17:47.42 Even though I really want is to tell people I just 00:17:47.45\00:17:49.76 wouldn't, - you didn't share anything - know I wouldn't. 00:17:49.80\00:17:53.02 I wouldn't tell anybody anything and I felt like I was 00:17:53.06\00:17:56.25 suffocating in doing that. 00:17:56.28\00:17:58.46 Even if I told God wasn't enough, it just wasn't enough. 00:17:58.50\00:18:02.52 So I went back to the church and I told a couple friends 00:18:02.55\00:18:05.91 of mine what was going on and I talked with them and 00:18:05.95\00:18:09.74 prayed with them and I went home feeling so much better. 00:18:09.78\00:18:13.93 She went over that way too fast because I know not only 00:18:13.97\00:18:18.06 did you decide to open up to friends and let them into 00:18:18.09\00:18:22.34 your space, they then opened up to you and this entire 00:18:22.38\00:18:26.23 group stood up and started ministering to each other. 00:18:26.27\00:18:29.76 The group that you have been worshiping with for ever but 00:18:29.79\00:18:33.24 nobody ever talked to anybody. - no nobody did. 00:18:33.28\00:18:35.72 You know that is the amazing thing about recovery and 00:18:35.76\00:18:38.87 going through this ride that I have been on is that like 00:18:38.90\00:18:41.98 all this time I see these people in my church and I would 00:18:42.02\00:18:45.06 be like oh they have it together and I can only wish 00:18:45.10\00:18:48.95 to be like them someday. 00:18:48.99\00:18:50.71 The more I opened up the more they opened up, and the 00:18:50.75\00:18:54.73 more we met in the middle we realized woe we're all 00:18:54.77\00:18:59.07 hurting people here and it was just like you start to 00:18:59.11\00:19:03.17 see people in a different light. - and it becomes real. 00:19:03.20\00:19:06.51 - it does. It becomes very real and you help each other 00:19:06.55\00:19:10.45 through your problems and you are there to support each 00:19:10.48\00:19:13.96 other. - what I loved it that think I got it either the 00:19:13.99\00:19:17.72 next time I went out McBride and you told me that you are 00:19:17.75\00:19:21.26 not going to believe this Cheri but I'm leading a little 00:19:21.30\00:19:24.92 ministry group and I thought oh shut up, that is the 00:19:24.96\00:19:28.55 coolest thing I'd heard. 00:19:28.59\00:19:30.06 Because I knew, when we spent that evening together 00:19:30.10\00:19:33.80 I look at you and thought if she ever got sold out for 00:19:33.84\00:19:37.51 God she is going to bless someone, and you were. 00:19:37.55\00:19:40.00 The church had actually asked me if I would be the social 00:19:40.04\00:19:43.95 committee ministry leader? I was like whoa are 00:19:43.99\00:19:47.73 you kidding me, my social idea, when they told me 00:19:47.76\00:19:51.39 I would be planning parties, I'm thinking oh boy the 00:19:51.42\00:19:54.46 parties I want to plan your not want to going to have. 00:19:54.50\00:19:57.89 - I'm still recovering - I don't want to go there. 00:19:57.92\00:20:01.95 But I really felt God say no, it's okay, I'm going to 00:20:01.98\00:20:05.34 go with you on it. - I'm going to go with you and 00:20:05.38\00:20:08.67 I'm actually going to teach you to do it in a way that 00:20:08.70\00:20:11.18 is healthy - oh exactly. - Teach you to laugh out loud 00:20:11.22\00:20:13.66 in a way that is healthy. - Exactly. 00:20:13.69\00:20:15.20 No Coke, no cutting no anything. - no nothing. 00:20:15.24\00:20:18.19 You know the thing is like being the social committee leader has 00:20:18.22\00:20:24.36 been huge, I mean I've always been a follower most of my 00:20:24.40\00:20:28.16 life, all through playing hockey it was like people knew 00:20:28.20\00:20:31.79 I was to go to person when we needed a goal go to Ashley, 00:20:31.83\00:20:35.39 send her out or whatever. 00:20:35.42\00:20:36.79 I always felt like even though people felt that in me 00:20:36.83\00:20:40.91 I couldn't believe that in myself, I have never felt 00:20:40.94\00:20:44.99 like a leader, ever. 00:20:45.03\00:20:46.35 So when they asked me to take on that role I was like are 00:20:46.39\00:20:49.76 you kidding me? Okay and I actually prayed about it for 00:20:49.80\00:20:53.33 a couple of days before I said yes, but I felt God saying 00:20:53.37\00:20:57.12 it was okay so last year was the first year that I did it 00:20:57.15\00:21:00.87 and I am again this year. 00:21:00.91\00:21:02.53 The route I want to go with it is alot of times social 00:21:02.57\00:21:07.68 committees tend to be for a church, bring the church 00:21:07.71\00:21:12.75 together and stuff which is important, it is really good, 00:21:12.78\00:21:15.15 but I want to be more than that. 00:21:15.19\00:21:17.51 I wanted to be a tool for all the people who have left the 00:21:17.55\00:21:21.15 church to come and see that yet we still have fun together 00:21:21.18\00:21:24.71 and it is not just sitting there - you can actually be real here. 00:21:24.74\00:21:28.44 - we can be real together and hang out together 00:21:28.48\00:21:30.95 and just be friends and really use it as a ministry tool. 00:21:30.99\00:21:35.51 One thing that I know and for a lot of us in our recovery 00:21:35.54\00:21:40.02 is that we have never been able to just be friends 00:21:40.06\00:21:42.82 because of our damage so our heart longs for that. 00:21:42.85\00:21:45.54 And it should happen in the building, if it happens in the 00:21:45.58\00:21:49.34 building there is something incredibly healing about that. 00:21:49.37\00:21:53.13 So we are going to take a break and come back but not now. 00:21:53.16\00:21:56.37 I want to first talk about that there is a couple things 00:21:56.40\00:21:59.56 that God during that time asked you to give up and they 00:21:59.59\00:22:02.58 were huge things for you because it is where you got all 00:22:02.61\00:22:05.56 of your affirmation and all of your good stuff. 00:22:05.60\00:22:11.20 After you had come to McBride the first time, it started 00:22:11.23\00:22:18.49 a little bit before, probably two months before. 00:22:18.53\00:22:22.17 Acts For Christ that year was Edmonton and I went out and took 00:22:22.21\00:22:26.28 part in Ty Gibson weekend thing about relationships. 00:22:26.32\00:22:31.51 Some of things I was hearing was like whoa, are you kidding me? 00:22:31.55\00:22:36.20 I was actually in a relationship no sorry I had just gotten 00:22:36.23\00:22:40.26 out of a relationship that I was in like a month before 00:22:40.29\00:22:43.84 that and I had questioned did I do the right thing? 00:22:43.88\00:22:47.36 Did I just push him away because of my trust issues with 00:22:47.40\00:22:51.64 men? Was it really like should have I let him go? 00:22:51.67\00:22:56.69 I got that affirmation that weekend from hearing Ty Gibson 00:22:56.72\00:23:00.53 and all the things that a relationship should have and 00:23:00.57\00:23:04.34 seeing that none of those were really there. 00:23:04.38\00:23:07.57 It was like okay I did the right thing 00:23:07.61\00:23:10.33 and that started it. 00:23:10.37\00:23:12.52 I think it was two weeks before you came to McBride 00:23:12.56\00:23:15.71 I went on a hockey tournament - because you have played 00:23:15.75\00:23:18.87 hockey your whole life? - I played hockey since 00:23:18.91\00:23:21.71 I was 13 years old and I'm not just talking playing 00:23:21.75\00:23:24.49 hockey, I slept it, I watched it, I traded hockey cards, 00:23:24.52\00:23:28.63 I did hockey, hockey everything so we played outside. 00:23:28.67\00:23:32.41 I lived at the rink pretty much, it was like my second 00:23:32.44\00:23:36.14 home really and I was good at it. 00:23:36.18\00:23:40.03 It was one thing that I knew I was good at. 00:23:40.07\00:23:42.66 That was the one and only thing I thought that I had 00:23:42.69\00:23:45.29 all this time. 00:23:45.32\00:23:47.19 And when I went to that hockey tournament I realized 00:23:47.22\00:23:51.85 that I had to let it go and it was so crazy. 00:23:51.88\00:23:57.63 - I don't think I fit anywhere else and I fit right here. 00:23:57.66\00:24:02.88 Exactly an even though music had started had always been a 00:24:02.92\00:24:06.98 thing for me, I still didn't believe I was really that good. 00:24:07.02\00:24:11.05 Hockey was the one thing I knew I could do. 00:24:11.08\00:24:14.63 It was like okay you're going to take this away? Oh no. 00:24:14.67\00:24:19.63 Everyone reminds me of this is going to sound so 00:24:19.67\00:24:22.00 ridiculous, but it reminds me of when Moses said I don't 00:24:22.03\00:24:25.27 have anything and He said what is in your hand? 00:24:25.30\00:24:27.19 So I have decided that weekend, I had let the team know, 00:24:27.23\00:24:33.75 that week end I had to stop. 00:24:33.78\00:24:36.61 God used a tendon injury to help me reaffirm my re-injured tendon 00:24:36.65\00:24:44.33 playing baseball and I pulled the Achilles' tendon and 00:24:44.37\00:24:47.75 ended up getting tendinitis out of it so it was just 00:24:47.79\00:24:51.14 painful to walk even sometimes in the morning. 00:24:51.17\00:24:54.50 So I made the choice to not play hockey for that year 00:24:54.53\00:24:58.41 and that is when everything just started to come out. 00:24:58.44\00:25:01.97 Like you wouldn't believe it was just, I hadn't realized 00:25:02.00\00:25:05.49 how much stuff that I had. 00:25:05.52\00:25:07.47 So we are going to take a break and what I want you to 00:25:07.51\00:25:10.29 hear from that or think about in your own life is that 00:25:10.32\00:25:13.81 sometimes what ever we used to mask everything really 00:25:13.85\00:25:17.30 works or else we wouldn't use it. 00:25:17.34\00:25:18.98 Hockey worked for Ashley, for me it was drugs that work 00:25:19.02\00:25:22.84 for me and somebody else it might be sexual stuff that 00:25:22.88\00:25:25.96 works for them or whatever or porn addiction or whatever. 00:25:26.00\00:25:29.34 But whatever works for us when all of a sudden I surrender 00:25:29.38\00:25:33.09 that I'm telling you what is under the surface is scary. 00:25:33.13\00:25:36.81 We will be right back, stay with us! 00:25:36.84\00:25:39.18