Welcome back! Do you know
what I think is incredible
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about God is that He
will stick with us and help us
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to find blind spots and get
freedom to our very last breath.
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Sometimes I want to
kiss Him on the face for His
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gentleness His patience and His
ability to bring things around
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so we can look at it.
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Today we are going to
meet some people that have had
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that journey themselves
and with the people that
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they have loved and this
story really did change me.
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So I want to first say
hi Bobby and thank you for
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coming on the program.
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I know you at one point
told me I am scared to death.
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Do you still feel
that way or are you better?
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I'm better. - Tammy
thank you for joining us.
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We are going to talk
about how we met first.
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So I would like you to
say a little bit starting,
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Bobby, a little bit about
yourself and how we met and
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what that journey was like.
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Well I heard you on a program.
- one of these programs?
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No it was before
Celebrating Life In Recovery.
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It was about you being on
drugs and you were so sincere
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on your testimony that I
wanted to get in touch with you
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because we knew somebody
that was hooked on drugs.
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- what kind of drugs? -
It was prescription drugs.
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- when you say hooked on
drugs what does that look like?
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A lot of people don't
realize what that looks like and
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some of the people listening
that is their blind spot
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is that they do not realize
that prescription drugs are
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robbing everybody
of those relationships.
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So talk about who it is
and what did it look like and
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why were you scared for them?
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Her name was Lynn and she
existed in this world that said
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I can't function if I
don't have this in my system.
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She would do whatever it
took to make sure that she still
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had what she thought she needed.
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What did what
ever it took look like?
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If she had to make phone
calls to somebody to try and get
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some more when she was out.
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- sometimes people will see
two and three doctors at the
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time to get prescriptions
from all kinds of different
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places, I knew one girl that
had 17 surgeries just so she
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could get pain meds and
the doctors finally said to her
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the surgery and the scar
tissue from the surgery is going
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to kill you and we
cannot do any more.
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But when you talk about she
will do what ever, what ever
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is huge. - that is how
this started was from a surgery
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that the surgery was a
success but the surgeon that did
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the surgery had let the
incision get infected and she
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had six different infections.
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- so all the pain from
that? All the pain from that.
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Lynn is your sister? -
yes, she ended up with all these
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infections and they put her
on all kinds of pain medicine
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and that is how
she got addicted to it.
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So when we met, you
are coming for help? - Yes.
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We had this issue and I knew
we met at a Women's Retreat.
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- yes and Kansas City. -
Whereat? Kansas City. - yes.
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So we met in women's
retreat and tell me a little bit
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before we get into what
happened after we met and how
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I met or talked with Lynn.
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Tell me a little bit
about your sister prior to the
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addictions. - She had
some substance abuse as she was
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growing up in her
teenage years, early 20s.
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But she had two daughters
and was married and had a lot
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better life and she wasn't
really into the drugs then.
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She had two girls
she loved very much.
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After the surgery is when
she got into the drugs and she
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wanted the help, but did not
want to leave her kids to do it.
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So when we talk like we
talked on the first part
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of the program about sometimes
we have these blind spots
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that are huge.
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When did hers develop and
what did hers look like as far
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as did she feel it was a
problem? Was she aware of what
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kept her strung out
and talk about that?
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She thought she could
handle it and she thought that
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it wasn't that big of a deal.
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But when she would be out
she would even threaten her
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mom with you won't see
the kids if I can't get this.
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Wow, so people were
blackmailed kind of by her?
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It was pretty intense. -
you won't see your grandkids
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if you don't help me? - right.
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Even with that, and I guess
the reason is that even with
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that she really didn't see
the magnitude of the issue.
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The bigness of the issue
and when I meet people that are
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that lost in their addiction
you want to shake them but
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you can't because it is
truly denial or a blind spot.
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A lot of people talk about
they step into denial, they
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rationalize their behavior
and you saw all of that with
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your sister, aye? -
yes, she would try to get the
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painkillers, she would
loan her car out to get these.
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Or she would sell
something, anything like that.
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She would try to steal
from other people in the family.
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Would it be okay to say
that became her only focus?
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Her main focus, yes, not
her only because her kids
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are still part of. -
she could still come through
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that and love
on her kids. - Yes!
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We are going to talk with
Hayley her daughter on the
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second half of the
program, so we will meet her.
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It is really tough,
my parents were addicts.
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Even though the focus to
still on us it is hard because
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they are removed, there are
take enough of the pain meds
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and not enough sleep and
they are focused on something
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else so intently that
the kids do lose some.
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But you are saying that
she still tried to be a parent?
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Right. - Tell me about how
you brought me into her life.
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Because to me I think that
with the Ministry it is really
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interesting to be a
part of somebody's journey
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even a tiny bit.
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Well I saw you on a show and
then I got a hold of the number
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for True Step Ministries
and I called and found out that
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you are going to be in Kansas
City which wasn't that far
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from where we lived.
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So I went up to the Women's
Retreat only I went the night
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before so that you and I
could have a chance to talk.
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I was really interested in
making sure that we connected
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so that I could find help
to figure out how to let her
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have a better life.
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And we connected? -
Yes! - talked? - yes!
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Hung out by the pool and
chatted for a while. - Yep!
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What happened next?
Because I know that you told her
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that you gave her
some of the videos?
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Yes we was watching on the
first series of Celebrating
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Life and was watching one,
I would tape them and would
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bring them to her
and we would watch it.
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And on the very next to
the last one she said that she
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wished that she could have a
relationship that was sincere
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with God and we shut the
tape down and she said a prayer.
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And she asked God into her life.
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You know what is amazing to
me is the fact that sometimes
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we do programs and we
don't realize that this is life
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changing, when
people actually get it.
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That blind spot, that
place where you have hid in your
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addiction, and I have had
that spot and have been in that
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place, but that place you
have hid in your addiction
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all of a sudden the light
of God just illuminates that
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spot and maybe for the
first time you raise your hand
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and say I need
some help. I'm done.
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She came to that moment.
I wish I would have been in
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the living room.
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Outside of being on tape I
wish I could have physically
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been in the living room.
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So you stopped the program, you
prayed? Yes she asked God into
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her life and then we started
the tape again and she said
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that she needed help and
I had your cell phone number
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so I went and called you
and you are on a plane getting
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ready to go so we
connected and tried to find her
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the help that she needed.
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We do interventions all over
the country, now internationally
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even were we get to come
in and work with people and
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I love being able to be
in that place where somebody
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is going to change
things and come out of those
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addictions, and
I love doing that.
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We got to do a little bit
with you guys at that point.
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When we talk about her getting
to a point where she sees
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that she needs help,
where she accepts Christ
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in to her life, at that point
I may want to talk with you
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Tammy, at that
point she was pretty sick.
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She was real sick so
what did that look like?
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She couldn't stay awake at
all, she would try to eat and
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fall asleep in her food.
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She was just, we were real
close in getting her the help
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that she needed.
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So let me just say her body,
how was her kidneys, liver,
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and all that stuff?
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Everything was shutting
down. - everything was shutting
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down, so we are not talking
about if somebody hears that
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they may think that she is
so high that she is falling
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asleep in her food and that
but at that point her addiction,
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her organs were shutting down.
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Her heart was
affected and all that stuff.
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To me that amazes me more
than anything else about how our
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addiction is that we
are totally blinded to that.
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Even our body is screaming
out, everybody around us is
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scared to death.
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We are pulling people in
from all over the place, yet the
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person that is involved says
I'm okay, I can handle this.
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So when we talk about blind
spots, but we talk about even
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here today when we talk
about really looking at what the
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truth is about your life,
the reason we are talking about
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that is it is a
life-and-death thing.
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When you get to that
point you have to listen to the
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people around you and she
was still having a little bit of
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a difficulty doing that
all way to the end? - yes!
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What happened next? - At the
very end she was still getting
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all the drugs anyway she
could the last night that she
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was alive, she had went to
bed, she had stayed with me and
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I found her the next morning.
- she died in her sleep?
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She died in her
sleep and the autopsy said
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her heart gave out.
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And at that point, I want
to say I am so sorry, but at
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that point you guys
were looking for treatments.
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She was wanting to make a
change and those things and the
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one thing I want to say is
that I've always been blessed
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when I have heard what happened
to Lynn, is that she came
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back to a place where
she was getting her life back
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together and literally
had invited God back into that
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takeover for me
I'm powerless here.
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So on the day that He
comes back and the resurrection,
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happens, I get to say
hi, do you know what I mean?
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You guys get to say hello.
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She said that whenever I
was getting back with God and
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was getting baptized and
I was happy and cheerful,
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she said I want what you have.
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She was watching your life
change at the time this was
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happening you are coming
back to Christ and she saw the
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peace that was coming
into your life. - Uh Hmmm. Yes!
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So how was it, and I want
you to think about this before
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you answer because for a lot
of us that are left, somebody
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makes a decision and in
denial all the way to the end
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really and not realizing
that you are killing yourself.
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How is it to have to take the
next breath after you find her?
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Because you have to live.
How has that been for you?
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Very hard! It's one of
those situations where I don't
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really wish that
on my worst enemy.
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If I had one I would just,
it was hard to keep it together
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for her daughters and
I have custody of one.
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But when I found her I
called 911 and it was too late.
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But everything in you had
hoped this was going to be the
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change? - yes! - Both of
you were in the hopes that this
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was going to be it and
she was going to get help?
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Yes we were looking, we
had called several places and
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were looking to get her in
somewhere and she died before
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we had that opportunity.
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You know that was probably
the heartbreak for me is that
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there was not a place she could
come, as soon as you got that
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first call, and you know
that we are looking at building
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a center right now so
that never happens again.
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If somebody calls us we
can just say get on a plane and
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come out because that
was the sadness of that.
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I really believe that the
damage had been done to the
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point it might not
have made a difference.
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But you know there
is always that question.
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God, you see I was in the
turmoil myself on where to move
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the change in my life, stay
around for her and the girls
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or go live somewhere else.
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- have a fresh
start for yourself?
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And I kept on praying
to God what should I do?
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I feel like He, in a way,
answered my prayer after two
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or three months of praying.
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Lynn's body was just giving
out and He went ahead and took
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her - and gave her a
rest. She really needed to rest.
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She has been
through a lot in her life.
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We are not going to get
into right now what led up to
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those addictions being so
severe because usually it is
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not the drugs that lead up
to that it is the pain or the
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things that she has
gone through in her past.
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What happened in childhood,
what happens throughout her
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early adulthood
and all that stuff.
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You know those
things in detail probably?
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A lot of it yes.
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So the only thing I wanted
to say is that I am so sorry
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for your loss, I'm sorry
that it ended up happening in
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the way it did,
but there is a joy.
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Talk about even that because
you got to see her come to
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Christ, you got to see that
hope in her eyes and so what
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did that do for you Bobby?
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It motivated me because then
I called you and I was trying
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to get her help
when she asked for help.
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Did it seem real to you?
Yes, very real. It was great!
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To me that's what I want even
now as we talk about Lynn is
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what I want to honor her with
is that moment when she knew
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she did not have to be
lost in this darkness for ever.
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That she knew that the
Holy Spirit, that God Himself
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said I see you down there.
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There is nothing too dark
that I cannot see through.
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That's what I feel like
she really got that message
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from God, is that I know
how you feel lost, I know that
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you feel trapped in all
this stuff but I am God and
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My hand can
reach you and He did.
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Yeah He did. Which was
an absolute miracle through
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all those drugs, for all
that prescription and all those
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lies she had told herself
for a while, through all that
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were she backed into
the darkness and God said,
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I've got you, I've got you.
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With the prescription is
what made it harder to get her
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the help because they said
it's not like just stopping
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somebody from drugs, she's
still has to have some medicine
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and it has to be controlled.
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It has to be
slowly taken off? - right!
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So that made it less
options of places she could go.
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So we are going to take a
break and I want to introduce
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everybody to Haley and
talk about from her perspective
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what happened, but I want
you to know that the joy I have
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right now is that prayer
that she said on her last day.
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Because how many hours did
she make it after that prayer?
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It was a little over
24, a little over 24 hours.
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From the time she knelt
down it was 24 hours later that
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she had passed. So to me I
think that God, I want to say
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I am so proud of Him that
no matter what it takes He says
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if you are open even the
tiniest bit I will not lose you.
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I will not lose you.
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If you are in denial
right now with especially
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prescription stuff,
call us up, call somebody up.
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Listen to your family and we
are going to break right now.
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We are going to come back
and I'm going to introduce you
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to Lynn's daughter who will
win your heart, she won mine.
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