Welcome back, so no we
are going to find out, Dan we
00:00:14.09\00:00:17.85
heard a lot of what got
you from childhood through your
00:00:17.88\00:00:21.35
alcoholism, to your addictions,
through the sexual stuff,
00:00:21.38\00:00:25.41
and to me the only thing
I can see is this incredibly
00:00:25.45\00:00:29.44
lonely child
underneath all that.
00:00:29.47\00:00:32.63
So when you guys meet,
he has been in recovery for
00:00:32.66\00:00:35.42
awhile, you're
back in the church?
00:00:35.45\00:00:38.05
No! - so where did you meet?
00:00:38.08\00:00:41.45
I guess I'll answer, actually
he was needing to go to a
00:00:43.61\00:00:46.90
training center, my job
sent me to the same training
00:00:46.93\00:00:50.15
center for finalization
and certification type thing.
00:00:50.19\00:00:54.02
That is where we met, I
had just literally a few days
00:00:54.06\00:00:57.86
before, filed for a
divorce, unfortunately after
00:00:57.89\00:01:00.78
24 years of being married.
00:01:00.82\00:01:02.03
I came to find out that my
husband, I had been involved
00:01:02.07\00:01:05.55
in a cult, and God
Himself revealed that to me.
00:01:05.59\00:01:08.20
Let me interrupt for a
minute, because I don't know
00:01:08.23\00:01:10.81
what you mean by a cult?
00:01:10.85\00:01:12.35
Well a cult would be, it
could be any kind of form.
00:01:12.39\00:01:15.95
In a Christian way of looking
at it, actually any cult,
00:01:15.99\00:01:19.52
they control you in
different Marriott of ways.
00:01:19.55\00:01:22.67
They will use sleep deprivation,
secrets, isolating you,
00:01:22.71\00:01:27.19
- how about
yours? - all of that.
00:01:27.23\00:01:29.10
In my case it was channeling,
I thought it was a prophet,
00:01:29.14\00:01:33.66
God speaking through him,
but actually it was channeling
00:01:33.70\00:01:38.19
and for some reason
I did not know that.
00:01:38.22\00:01:40.46
Like speaking to the dead?
00:01:40.50\00:01:41.67
You know it was using
your body and allowing someone,
00:01:41.71\00:01:45.49
a spirit to speak through
you and you use body to give
00:01:45.53\00:01:49.14
a message, they can say
they were God, or they can say
00:01:49.17\00:01:52.75
they were a spirit and
giving a message from God.
00:01:52.78\00:01:56.29
Or an angel or
any of those things.
00:01:56.32\00:01:58.36
- So you just wanted to run?
00:01:58.40\00:02:00.65
Actually when I
realized it wasn't of God,
00:02:00.69\00:02:03.63
I wanted nothing to do with it.
00:02:03.67\00:02:05.61
So I was trying to get my
husband to get to the bottom
00:02:05.64\00:02:08.57
of this because if we are
not following God, we do not
00:02:08.60\00:02:11.49
want to be going down this road.
00:02:11.52\00:02:12.97
He absolutely was
not going to do that.
00:02:13.00\00:02:14.72
Not only that, but God revealed
to me that my husband was
00:02:14.76\00:02:18.00
having an affair with my sister.
00:02:18.03\00:02:20.04
So I was like oh my, and
I confronted him with that.
00:02:20.07\00:02:23.36
He first admitted it,
then a few hours later he calls
00:02:23.40\00:02:26.52
back and says, God says I
can't say that because it's not
00:02:26.55\00:02:29.64
really true and he
never admitted it again.
00:02:29.67\00:02:33.07
So I was the bad guy. -
what did your sister say?
00:02:33.11\00:02:36.22
She denied it as well, but
he was living at her house at
00:02:36.26\00:02:40.96
the time and sleeping in
her huge King size bed saying,
00:02:40.99\00:02:45.66
he was a prophet of God.
00:02:45.69\00:02:46.81
I believed that if he was
a man of God, he would never
00:02:46.85\00:02:49.17
do such a thing to me.
00:02:49.21\00:02:50.48
If God was leading and directing
him and I have been told
00:02:50.51\00:02:53.69
through the channeling
that you are never to question
00:02:53.73\00:02:56.65
your husband as one of the
closest men to me on the face
00:02:56.68\00:02:59.55
of this earth, he knows me
better than anyone and what
00:02:59.59\00:03:02.43
he says is as if from me.
00:03:02.46\00:03:04.42
- I believe for a lot of
people it is hard to realize
00:03:04.46\00:03:07.62
the extent of a deception, we
had the case of Jim Jones where
00:03:07.66\00:03:11.40
everybody goes over and
literally kills themselves.
00:03:11.44\00:03:13.99
We say well how
does that happen?
00:03:14.03\00:03:15.63
It is one step after
another, after another,
00:03:15.66\00:03:18.49
after another, and now you
are fighting against all that
00:03:18.52\00:03:20.70
and saying, we have to get out.
00:03:20.74\00:03:23.19
But I met Dan right
after I had realized this.
00:03:23.23\00:03:26.80
I was abused beyond
belief at this point.
00:03:26.83\00:03:30.37
My body was dying and I knew it.
00:03:30.41\00:03:32.51
I think I had about a year
left to live and I knew that.
00:03:32.55\00:03:35.01
I was so thankful,
because I reached out to God.
00:03:35.04\00:03:37.75
I think God help me I feel
so alone, because when they
00:03:37.78\00:03:41.16
isolate you, I ended
up being the scape-goat.
00:03:41.19\00:03:44.10
So they isolated me and
I felt like I had no one.
00:03:44.13\00:03:46.97
I was very alone and my husband
had said to me a few days
00:03:47.00\00:03:50.40
before, Angela, you have
succeeded in alienating everyone
00:03:50.44\00:03:53.80
against you, but
don't worry honey,
00:03:53.84\00:03:56.46
I'll always be here for you.
00:03:56.50\00:03:58.14
So in other words I'm the
only when you have now and yet
00:03:58.18\00:04:01.24
he was abusing me and I
didn't really recognize that.
00:04:01.28\00:04:05.25
He was abusing me mentally,
emotionally, spiritually,
00:04:05.29\00:04:09.23
I wasn't good enough,
everything was wrong and
00:04:09.27\00:04:11.28
it was all my fault.
00:04:11.31\00:04:12.82
So God revealed this to
me, I said, God I need someone
00:04:12.86\00:04:18.09
alongside me, I'm
not going to make it.
00:04:18.12\00:04:20.72
I knew I wasn't going to
make it, even though I felt he
00:04:20.76\00:04:23.23
hated me because they taught
me God was very displeased
00:04:23.26\00:04:26.30
with me and he wasn't speaking
to me and I was being very
00:04:26.33\00:04:30.52
isolated, but God within
hours brought people alongside
00:04:30.55\00:04:34.70
me that very day.
00:04:34.74\00:04:36.59
In the middle of the night
I had to go to the store and
00:04:36.62\00:04:38.86
I met women that both
invited me to their churches.
00:04:38.90\00:04:41.10
I said okay, I think
this is You answering my
00:04:41.14\00:04:43.96
prayers Lord, thank you.
00:04:43.99\00:04:45.47
I went to one of their
churches and my eyes were opened
00:04:45.51\00:04:48.48
within 24 hours after having
been to that church service.
00:04:48.51\00:04:51.61
They laid hands on me and
prayed for me and I did know
00:04:51.64\00:04:54.71
the truth, and
the truth set me free.
00:04:54.74\00:04:56.56
Then I met Dan
literally just two days later.
00:04:56.60\00:04:59.41
He saw me all covered up
and looking like a wounded bird,
00:04:59.44\00:05:04.37
damaged and he was as if
God zoned his eyes in a me.
00:05:04.40\00:05:09.40
So he paid attention to me
and we met there and began a
00:05:09.43\00:05:13.55
friendship and I have been
reading 'Codependency No More'
00:05:13.59\00:05:17.68
and 'Boundaries' and
then Dan picked up on that.
00:05:17.71\00:05:20.60
So you started to read the
codependency stuff because of
00:05:20.64\00:05:24.88
your codependency in this
relationship? - no! - why?
00:05:24.92\00:05:28.43
I don't know, first God
led me to 'Boundaries' through
00:05:28.46\00:05:31.94
someone saying Angela,
you have to get this book
00:05:31.97\00:05:33.47
'Boundaries' and somehow it
stuck in me like I need that.
00:05:33.51\00:05:36.27
Somehow I knew I needed
it, so I went to the library
00:05:36.31\00:05:38.58
and I checked it out.
00:05:38.62\00:05:39.93
Because the first thing
in an abusive relationship,
00:05:39.97\00:05:42.34
or abusive churches, is
they take all your boundaries
00:05:42.37\00:05:44.71
away and you have no
right to your own space,
00:05:44.75\00:05:46.51
you have no right to
your own thoughts, you have no
00:05:46.54\00:05:48.22
right to any of that stuff.
00:05:48.26\00:05:50.40
So your boundaries
are really violated.
00:05:50.44\00:05:52.56
Yes and not only that
but I was raised in that.
00:05:52.60\00:05:55.43
Our family never had
any boundaries of any kind,
00:05:55.46\00:05:59.24
in any way. - so we
didn't hear that as far as
00:05:59.27\00:06:03.01
how were you raised?
00:06:03.05\00:06:04.32
I was raised in a religious
cults, a very large one.
00:06:04.35\00:06:09.36
Worldwide, world renowned
and my father worked at it.
00:06:09.40\00:06:13.83
In fact my father is now
working for Better Live TV in
00:06:13.87\00:06:18.27
Grants Pass
Oregon. - I know that!
00:06:18.30\00:06:20.59
It was quite abusive, same
kind of thing, they controlled
00:06:22.46\00:06:25.27
everything you did, one
year it was okay to do this,
00:06:25.31\00:06:28.27
next year it was not.
00:06:28.31\00:06:29.77
They just control you and
there is fear for leaving,
00:06:29.81\00:06:32.80
for being in a lake of
fire, or hell, or whatever
00:06:32.83\00:06:35.79
you want to call it.
00:06:35.82\00:06:37.00
For leaving, they
control everything you do.
00:06:37.04\00:06:40.11
So my parents were very
much that way, and I forgot were
00:06:40.15\00:06:43.97
we were going with that?
00:06:44.00\00:06:45.34
So that set you up to get
into this relationship with
00:06:45.37\00:06:49.37
your husband and
the cult he was in?
00:06:49.41\00:06:51.06
Yes, right, exactly right.
00:06:51.10\00:06:52.68
The devil knew that I was
vulnerable and that I was use
00:06:52.72\00:06:54.78
to obeying orders,
not thinking for myself.
00:06:54.81\00:06:57.81
That is part of the problem
with a cult, you don't use
00:06:57.85\00:07:00.06
your mind. - I know I'm
smiling at that because I have
00:07:00.10\00:07:02.27
never obeyed orders in my life.
00:07:02.31\00:07:03.86
I think how does he do that?
00:07:03.89\00:07:05.40
I see that, that you were
set up from a child to just
00:07:07.33\00:07:10.79
tell me what to
do and I'll do it.
00:07:10.83\00:07:14.40
It sounds like I would do
it with love, I'll try to do
00:07:14.43\00:07:17.40
it right, and
I'll try to do it well.
00:07:17.43\00:07:18.85
Yeah that was my nature, I
want to be pleasing that is
00:07:18.89\00:07:21.39
my nature and some
people would say I don't care.
00:07:21.43\00:07:23.92
My sister for one,
she is the opposite of me.
00:07:23.95\00:07:26.37
She went the rebel route,
but I chose the submissive one.
00:07:26.41\00:07:31.36
That was the route I chose,
neither one is really healthy,
00:07:31.39\00:07:36.31
they are both the
wrong way, but you don't
00:07:36.35\00:07:38.58
know what else to do.
00:07:38.62\00:07:39.88
Yeah I tried to obey
everything I was told to do and
00:07:39.91\00:07:42.75
I wanted to comply and
make everyone pleased with me.
00:07:42.78\00:07:45.59
I wanted love and I
wanted others to love me.
00:07:45.62\00:07:47.47
A wanted my father to
love me and be proud of me.
00:07:47.51\00:07:49.29
God, the Church, I was always
about what other people thought.
00:07:49.32\00:07:53.19
Most churches I had
ever been in, it seems to me,
00:07:53.23\00:07:56.61
I notice that it's a problem.
00:07:56.65\00:07:58.98
At least that we need
to not be so concerned...
00:07:59.02\00:08:02.13
so who told you to
get the 'Boundaries' book,
00:08:02.17\00:08:05.24
the boundaries and
codependency books?
00:08:05.28\00:08:07.09
One of the ladies at the
church, I can't quite remember,
00:08:07.12\00:08:09.99
I remember that clicked with me.
00:08:10.02\00:08:11.65
It was like I need that,
so I went right to the library
00:08:11.69\00:08:15.09
and I got it and
start reading it.
00:08:15.13\00:08:16.51
That is where met Dan, and
then I started realizing for
00:08:16.55\00:08:19.57
some reason someone invited
me to a 12 step and told me
00:08:19.60\00:08:22.44
what it was, and I thought
old that's for me too and I
00:08:22.48\00:08:25.29
went and signed up for that.
00:08:25.32\00:08:26.43
I went to the county and
signed up for domestic violence,
00:08:26.47\00:08:29.63
why did I do that, I
didn't have any idea I was being
00:08:29.67\00:08:32.80
abused, and I
learned stuff there.
00:08:32.84\00:08:35.22
They gave me free counseling
and I learned stuff there.
00:08:35.26\00:08:38.02
Like she gave me a
book and she told me about
00:08:38.06\00:08:39.95
'Codependency No More'
and I went and got that book.
00:08:39.99\00:08:42.82
So then Dan started backing me
up by saying Angela, blah, blah,
00:08:42.86\00:08:47.41
blah your mother is
doing this and that.
00:08:47.45\00:08:48.60
It's okay to say no, remember
your reading that in the book.
00:08:48.64\00:08:51.60
Whoa, whoa, whoa,
that's boundaries.
00:08:51.64\00:08:53.55
So talk about that for
people that do not know what
00:08:53.58\00:08:56.18
codependency is,
either Dan or Angela.
00:08:56.21\00:08:58.84
What would you say, what is it?
00:08:58.87\00:09:01.04
It seems like trying to
fix everything, being needy,
00:09:04.58\00:09:06.95
totally consumed by
people outside of yourself.
00:09:06.99\00:09:10.95
As if you are their savior,
your their protector, your their
00:09:10.99\00:09:14.71
what ever and you
are never at home.
00:09:14.75\00:09:17.46
You are always out here.
00:09:17.50\00:09:18.69
So her mother had that
pull on her where she was always
00:09:18.73\00:09:22.05
concerned as if her mother
was happy with her or not.
00:09:22.09\00:09:25.38
She hadn't cut
that string so to speak.
00:09:25.42\00:09:27.91
I was taught to stand to
stay in my body and I had
00:09:30.43\00:09:32.82
a therapist say,
you're outside your body.
00:09:32.86\00:09:35.23
Sit down and feel the
floor and be grounded.
00:09:35.26\00:09:37.56
You are out here in everybody
else's life, all you have
00:09:37.60\00:09:40.10
been talking about is the
girls at work, and people over
00:09:40.13\00:09:42.59
here, he was
like lets come home.
00:09:42.63\00:09:44.70
And I was like oh, so I learned.
00:09:44.73\00:09:46.73
- What a gift to
teach people that,
00:09:46.76\00:09:48.71
it's how to stay present.
00:09:48.75\00:09:50.58
So I stayed at home so
when I met Angela I saw her,
00:09:50.62\00:09:54.06
we would be riding from
downtown Denver back home
00:09:54.10\00:09:57.47
and she would be getting peoples
numbers, the homeless exchanging
00:09:57.51\00:10:00.57
numbers in all this and
I'm like, stay over here.
00:10:00.61\00:10:03.05
Just look at
that guy over there,
00:10:03.09\00:10:04.68
if you know what I mean.
00:10:04.72\00:10:05.93
So I could be totally
centered in myself and at peace,
00:10:05.96\00:10:10.01
and know they are having
their journey and I had a right
00:10:10.05\00:10:14.03
relationship, if I needed
to serve in some way I could.
00:10:14.07\00:10:18.02
But it was a choice as
opposed to just a reactive,
00:10:18.05\00:10:21.32
I have to fix everybody
and take care of everybody.
00:10:21.36\00:10:24.22
Which is what I think
with Angela being the oldest,
00:10:24.26\00:10:27.61
sometimes the oldest,
she raised all her sisters.
00:10:27.64\00:10:30.96
She was her mom's
right-hand person.
00:10:30.99\00:10:33.60
- Dan, like you said in a
lot of churches, they look at
00:10:33.63\00:10:37.11
that as a great quality
because we need potluck done,
00:10:37.15\00:10:40.13
we need church secretary
done, and we need to get
00:10:40.16\00:10:43.06
the directory done, so
you find somebody that is
00:10:43.09\00:10:45.95
co-dependent and you think Amen.
00:10:45.99\00:10:48.47
Can I say one
other thing? - Yeah!
00:10:48.51\00:10:50.92
When I first heard their
blood is on my hands in my
00:10:50.96\00:10:54.95
church, when I heard that
I felt like I had to save the
00:10:54.99\00:10:58.60
world, I felt everywhere I
go we were told to hand out
00:10:58.63\00:11:02.21
this, and preach, and
I believe we're that way.
00:11:02.24\00:11:05.82
We are to be loving and
joyful, but to rescue everybody,
00:11:05.86\00:11:09.75
I didn't have the perspective
right that their job is to
00:11:09.79\00:11:13.30
come to God and surrender,
and me, I'm to be a light,
00:11:13.34\00:11:16.81
if you know what I mean.
00:11:16.85\00:11:18.22
So I didn't have to
fix. - nor play God.
00:11:18.25\00:11:20.31
So even with the dysfunction
from your household that
00:11:21.31\00:11:24.27
just put much
pressure on you. - guilt.
00:11:24.31\00:11:28.08
I can't rescue my mom
and now you tell me I have to
00:11:28.12\00:11:30.27
rescue the whole
world or else I'm guilty.
00:11:30.30\00:11:32.38
I was at a grocery
store and totally shamed like
00:11:32.42\00:11:35.39
I didn't do God's will today.
00:11:35.43\00:11:37.37
That sounds like
so much pressure.
00:11:37.40\00:11:39.50
It was enormous pressure,
I had a lot of religious
00:11:39.53\00:11:42.76
pressure on me when I was
young, actually when I was
00:11:42.80\00:11:45.99
a little older, we
had to go door to door.
00:11:46.02\00:11:48.02
I went out for an hour, I
felt like I needed to be out
00:11:48.06\00:11:52.37
two hours, I went out two
hours, then I felt like I could
00:11:52.40\00:11:56.14
have been out three hours
because we were told at that
00:11:56.17\00:12:00.02
time the only thing God
accepted was our absolute best.
00:12:00.06\00:12:03.88
So from a codependent, I
had this huge burden on me to
00:12:03.92\00:12:08.24
every moment be saving
and rescuing and so religion
00:12:08.27\00:12:12.55
just really wore me down.
00:12:12.59\00:12:15.00
I am so glad you said that,
a lot of people do feel that
00:12:15.04\00:12:19.05
in their recovery it has to
be the absolute best, God says
00:12:19.08\00:12:22.63
the best of the
best of us are a mess.
00:12:22.66\00:12:25.07
So He is even saying, take
a breath, I love you, let Me
00:12:26.43\00:12:30.05
step into your life and let
you have peace with all that
00:12:30.09\00:12:33.14
stuff, let Me fill your heart
up, and that type of thing.
00:12:33.17\00:12:36.19
It sounds like both of
you have gotten trapped in
00:12:36.22\00:12:39.07
organizations that didn't
give you that message at all.
00:12:39.10\00:12:42.22
Go ahead. - our Scripture
that they told us over and
00:12:42.25\00:12:45.30
over was seek righteousness,
seek meekness, and you might
00:12:45.33\00:12:48.81
be concealed in the
day of Jehovah's anger.
00:12:48.84\00:12:51.37
So it was like we had to be
perfect, and we were always told
00:12:51.40\00:12:54.84
consider your circumstances,
consider your circumstances
00:12:54.88\00:12:58.53
if you can spend 60 hours a
month or 90 hours a month on
00:12:58.57\00:13:02.19
door to door, then that
would be acceptable to God.
00:13:02.22\00:13:05.49
So if you don't get that time?
00:13:05.52\00:13:08.65
- you weren't doing your best,
00:13:08.68\00:13:11.74
and only your
best was good enough.
00:13:11.78\00:13:13.86
So we had to live for that,
there were so much shame and
00:13:13.90\00:13:17.66
fear that I actually got sick.
00:13:17.69\00:13:18.97
I need to let Angela talk,
but I actually had like a lump
00:13:19.00\00:13:22.31
in my chest from religious
shame and guilt because of my
00:13:22.34\00:13:25.50
co-dependent view and how I
lived that and tried to carry
00:13:25.54\00:13:28.66
it out in religion,
trying to save everybody.
00:13:28.70\00:13:31.45
You know I'm coming from
like I'm a heroine addict,
00:13:31.49\00:13:34.33
I'm a druggie and
my family is druggies.
00:13:34.37\00:13:36.23
I have no religion at
all, I meet God in a drug house
00:13:36.26\00:13:39.43
trying to kill myself
and He absolutely adores me.
00:13:39.47\00:13:42.57
So when I hear from your
background, I think it must be
00:13:42.61\00:13:46.16
harder to get a better view
of God, or a more honest view
00:13:46.19\00:13:49.71
of God because of
what you have been told.
00:13:49.74\00:13:52.30
Yeah our God was angry.
00:13:52.33\00:13:53.76
I just want to say, in
my situation it was the same
00:13:53.80\00:13:56.23
thing, with my growing up
years I was in one cult and
00:13:56.27\00:13:58.73
I found the Lord during
Billy Graham in the middle of
00:13:58.77\00:14:01.10
two cults, and then I was
involved in another one with
00:14:01.14\00:14:03.67
my husband, but both of
those was the same thing where
00:14:03.71\00:14:07.25
you were not good enough,
the second was so severe it was
00:14:07.29\00:14:10.75
almost like you believe
all these things and you have
00:14:10.78\00:14:13.41
to have a lot of faith, if
you don't have enough faith it
00:14:13.45\00:14:16.33
is not perfect faith then
you are not good enough and God
00:14:16.37\00:14:19.22
is not pleased with you.
00:14:19.25\00:14:20.34
Because in the last cult,
since I didn't have enough
00:14:20.37\00:14:22.99
faith everyone blamed me
for all these things that God
00:14:23.03\00:14:25.60
couldn't bless us with
because I didn't have enough
00:14:25.63\00:14:28.13
faith, you know something I
was the only one in the group
00:14:28.16\00:14:30.71
who did everything
we were told to do.
00:14:30.75\00:14:32.94
Write 21 times a day,
visualize, see, smell, taste,
00:14:32.98\00:14:37.45
do posters and notebooks
full of all the pictures full
00:14:37.48\00:14:41.92
of everything that God
is wanting you to have.
00:14:41.95\00:14:44.00
You just have to have enough
faith and we are all going
00:14:44.03\00:14:46.27
to have it, were going
to go on cruises together as
00:14:46.31\00:14:48.51
a family because I
am believing for that.
00:14:48.54\00:14:50.03
We promised our kids we
would do it, and all Angela has
00:14:50.07\00:14:53.61
to do is do her part because
we are there with our faith,
00:14:53.65\00:14:57.16
but Angela your
the problem here.
00:14:57.19\00:14:58.97
Since you didn't measure
up, in the end my kids to
00:14:59.00\00:15:02.35
this day hate me because
we did not get all of those
00:15:02.39\00:15:05.70
things, those material things.
00:15:05.74\00:15:07.63
I'm not a
material girl, never was,
00:15:07.67\00:15:10.55
but I was told to
be pleasing to God,
00:15:10.58\00:15:12.93
He wanted us to
have these things.
00:15:12.97\00:15:15.05
He wants to
bless us in abundance.
00:15:15.08\00:15:17.10
Therefore I need to have
the proper perfect faith.
00:15:17.13\00:15:20.49
So again perfection is always
there and it was very sick
00:15:20.53\00:15:25.54
situation and to this
day my kids don't talk to me.
00:15:25.57\00:15:29.30
It has been 6 years, 5
and 1/2 years since I've had
00:15:29.33\00:15:33.02
a relationship with them.
00:15:33.06\00:15:34.45
I bet that causes
you a lot of pain.
00:15:34.48\00:15:36.23
No, at first it was
hard, but God is good.
00:15:36.26\00:15:41.66
He will give you the
grace to deal with what ever
00:15:41.70\00:15:44.14
you have to go
through, no matter what it is.
00:15:44.18\00:15:46.55
To lose two kids to death, I
don't know what it is for you
00:15:46.58\00:15:49.55
but all I know is God gives
you the grace to handle it,
00:15:49.59\00:15:52.50
and He just literally it took
me some time, but I eventually
00:15:52.53\00:15:56.71
was able to let go and
let God, you know what I mean.
00:15:56.75\00:15:59.47
- trust Him with it. -
yes because I can't control
00:15:59.51\00:16:01.61
everything, the
codependency comes here again.
00:16:01.64\00:16:03.67
I want to fix, I want to
heal, I want to go rescue.
00:16:03.70\00:16:07.19
Even the word control is for
codependence if I can control
00:16:08.43\00:16:12.58
everything then everybody
will be okay, and happy,
00:16:12.61\00:16:15.52
and do the right
thing and it will just be.
00:16:15.55\00:16:17.66
Instead of God saying,
whoa, whoa, whoa are you
00:16:18.75\00:16:20.92
forgetting that you are not God?
00:16:20.95\00:16:22.23
Are you forgetting that I
am God and that I can take
00:16:22.26\00:16:24.08
care this better than you can.
I love them more than you do.
00:16:24.12\00:16:27.23
I'm like wow God, I'm
so sorry, you're right.
00:16:27.26\00:16:31.10
As you guys met, as you
got into a relationship,
00:16:31.13\00:16:34.40
you were a head of her a
little bit and working with
00:16:34.43\00:16:37.66
those codependent issues.
00:16:37.70\00:16:39.08
So when did you guys realize
that you are falling in love
00:16:39.12\00:16:43.34
and what things did
you learn about not being
00:16:43.38\00:16:47.05
codependent with each other?
00:16:47.09\00:16:48.68
Can I say, when we came
together, Dan was watching me.
00:16:48.72\00:16:52.92
I was cutting the ties at
every break in this training
00:16:52.95\00:16:57.12
center that we had.
00:16:57.15\00:16:58.41
He was watching me, like
God caused him to pay attention
00:16:58.45\00:17:01.37
to me and I finally
said do you need to use
00:17:01.41\00:17:04.91
the phone, I'm sorry.
00:17:04.95\00:17:06.20
He would say no, no, no
can I get you some coffee or
00:17:06.23\00:17:08.26
doughnut and I'm like okay sure.
00:17:08.29\00:17:10.57
I'm noticing, oh
wow he's watching me.
00:17:10.60\00:17:13.14
Then I said, Sir can I
just tell you my story?
00:17:13.17\00:17:16.08
He said ah, sure go right ahead.
00:17:16.11\00:17:19.40
So I told him my whole
crazy story that I had never
00:17:19.43\00:17:22.61
told anyone my story.
00:17:22.64\00:17:24.24
I had just filed divorce
three days before at this point.
00:17:24.27\00:17:27.89
I'm telling him my story
and he melted, and then he gave
00:17:27.93\00:17:31.51
me a hug, and he was a
hardened guy at this point.
00:17:31.54\00:17:33.71
He was hurt really bad, lonely
but he had just pray the night
00:17:33.74\00:17:37.53
before, God you know what?
00:17:37.56\00:17:39.60
I've gone in all the
wrong places looking for women.
00:17:39.64\00:17:42.26
He will tell you this
story, but I'm sick of it.
00:17:42.30\00:17:45.23
I surrender to you God,
and I don't know where she is
00:17:45.26\00:17:48.16
but You do, and the
very next day he met me.
00:17:48.19\00:17:51.62
Yeah, God is good.
00:17:51.65\00:17:54.36
All I can think of, who would
damaged such a sweet woman?
00:17:54.39\00:17:58.15
She was really in bad shape,
she was what would you call
00:17:58.18\00:18:02.58
it, detaching, disassociated,
and I thought she is so
00:18:02.61\00:18:06.97
Sweet, who hurt her like that?
00:18:07.01\00:18:08.68
Who helped her lose herself?
How did she lose herself?
00:18:08.72\00:18:11.65
I think it was incredible
that you could even see that
00:18:11.68\00:18:14.58
in her, who wounded her?
00:18:14.62\00:18:16.58
It sounds like part of
you, that was such a helper
00:18:16.61\00:18:21.25
throughout your life, even
with your mom, wanted to say,
00:18:21.29\00:18:23.49
can I help in anyway?
00:18:23.52\00:18:26.52
Yes, absolutely I did
want to help, just be there and
00:18:26.55\00:18:29.32
support her in any way I can.
00:18:29.35\00:18:30.83
I did want to hurt her anymore.
00:18:30.87\00:18:32.31
I wanted to say, what
is amazing too is that Dan
00:18:33.83\00:18:36.79
and I were both raised in
the same kind of religion,
00:18:36.82\00:18:39.75
believe it or not.
00:18:39.78\00:18:40.81
Even though his was different
than mine, it was very,
00:18:40.85\00:18:44.06
very similar. - so you
guys understood each other?
00:18:44.10\00:18:46.96
Yeah, we really, really
did and there was no one else
00:18:46.99\00:18:49.82
that could have
understood me like Dan.
00:18:49.85\00:18:51.34
I stand in awe of that because
it is so complicated that
00:18:51.37\00:18:57.03
it would take somebody
that understood me and where
00:18:57.06\00:19:00.34
I came from, and likewise for
me to understand him in order
00:19:00.38\00:19:03.18
to help each other, but
God saw I needed healing and
00:19:03.22\00:19:05.62
He saw that Dan needed healing.
00:19:05.66\00:19:07.21
There was no one on the
face of the earth that could do
00:19:07.25\00:19:10.11
what Dan could do
for me, and likewise what
00:19:10.15\00:19:12.28
I could do for him.
00:19:12.32\00:19:13.60
He needed the love and the
tenderness, because he had not
00:19:13.63\00:19:17.46
received that as a child.
00:19:17.50\00:19:19.25
I needed his expertise, he
had been trained by a woman,
00:19:19.28\00:19:23.37
who he calls his angel.
00:19:23.40\00:19:25.37
For five years she
mentored him, he had been very
00:19:25.40\00:19:29.72
dysfunctional in the world
and once he realized he had
00:19:29.75\00:19:33.16
grown up in a very
dysfunctional church and family,
00:19:33.19\00:19:36.57
who mentored him how
to function in the world,
00:19:36.60\00:19:39.91
to communicate, to
speak, to just live.
00:19:39.94\00:19:44.64
He didn't even know the
basics of living and how to
00:19:44.68\00:19:47.70
survive in the
world, and she mentored him.
00:19:47.73\00:19:50.36
Was she like a counselor?
00:19:50.39\00:19:52.35
Yes, sort of, I was doing
some work for a guy next door
00:19:52.38\00:19:55.57
and he said, we have
to work for this lady.
00:19:55.60\00:19:57.23
I did some work in she looked
at me, and I looked at her,
00:19:57.27\00:20:00.46
she was very intimidating
with this big black gown and
00:20:00.49\00:20:03.64
a big red scarf and
people ran when she came
00:20:03.68\00:20:06.13
down the street,
and she paid me for what
00:20:06.16\00:20:08.58
a contractor didn't pay me.
00:20:08.62\00:20:10.30
I said you don't have
to give me all this money,
00:20:10.34\00:20:12.32
and she says no I want to.
00:20:12.36\00:20:14.10
Anyway she worked with me
for five years and I didn't know
00:20:14.13\00:20:17.07
her, she said my leaders
Christ that's all she told me.
00:20:17.10\00:20:19.88
I never saw her go to church
and I was like who are these
00:20:19.91\00:20:22.65
people, finally I meet
her husband two years later.
00:20:22.69\00:20:24.91
He was a retired
anesthesiologist.
00:20:24.95\00:20:27.56
He came up to me at McDonald's,
and the lady would always
00:20:27.59\00:20:30.30
show up with a pencil and
paper and say we are going to
00:20:30.34\00:20:33.01
work on codependency
today, work or work on.
00:20:33.04\00:20:34.76
I'm going what is
that and what is this?
00:20:34.80\00:20:36.48
But this lady was a real
angel and I meet her husband and
00:20:38.03\00:20:40.74
he has this big beard and
I was intimidated, I thought
00:20:40.77\00:20:43.04
I hope he doesn't think
I'm with his wife or something.
00:20:43.08\00:20:46.02
He came over and gives me
this big hug for five minutes.
00:20:46.06\00:20:48.96
I'm thinking,
who are these people?
00:20:49.00\00:20:50.93
He said we love you and
he is rubbing on my back.
00:20:50.97\00:20:53.81
I finally asked, what
do you guys want with me?
00:20:53.85\00:20:56.71
He said our job is to
love and your job is to love.
00:20:56.74\00:20:59.79
I was like whoa, and
they took me in for four years
00:20:59.82\00:21:02.84
and helped me
through so many things.
00:21:02.87\00:21:05.56
May I tell you one-story?
- yes, I want to say is
00:21:05.59\00:21:08.01
that God does that for us
and knew that you didn't get
00:21:08.05\00:21:11.47
love, He wanted to put you
in an environment where people
00:21:11.50\00:21:14.89
love for no reason
other than for your healing.
00:21:14.93\00:21:17.42
Yes, and she was right there.
00:21:17.45\00:21:20.16
One day I would call
her, this is how the situation
00:21:21.55\00:21:24.10
worked, I called her
one-day and I said they're going
00:21:24.14\00:21:26.65
to fire me at my job.
00:21:26.69\00:21:28.37
She said take out your pencil,
and I took out this pencil
00:21:28.41\00:21:30.92
and I said,
they're going to fire me.
00:21:30.95\00:21:32.64
She said why? I went
through three pages of why they
00:21:32.68\00:21:35.13
were going to fire me, and
I'm going to get headhunters
00:21:35.16\00:21:37.58
and find another job.
00:21:37.62\00:21:38.93
She said, okay that's
great now put it away.
00:21:38.97\00:21:41.78
The next day my boss told
me I was the most wonderful guy
00:21:41.82\00:21:44.87
on the crew and this and that.
00:21:44.90\00:21:46.38
I called her back and I
said, hey, my boss just told me
00:21:46.41\00:21:49.32
I was great, I was doing a
great job, and dah, dah, dah.
00:21:49.35\00:21:52.22
She said, now read your notes.
00:21:52.26\00:21:54.14
I read their going to fire
me because of that, I know they
00:21:54.17\00:21:57.46
are, I better get another job.
00:21:57.50\00:21:59.47
She said she know what
Dan, that's crazy thinking.
00:21:59.50\00:22:03.11
That hallucination and
that's the kind of sickness you
00:22:03.15\00:22:06.84
have, so what I want you to
do before you ever come to a
00:22:06.87\00:22:10.26
conclusion, I want you to
go over and ask that person
00:22:10.30\00:22:13.65
is this the way it is?
00:22:13.69\00:22:15.43
Never call me again and give
me this story, this illusion
00:22:15.46\00:22:18.91
that you made up
about this thing.
00:22:18.95\00:22:20.93
So I started learning,
she was teaching me like that.
00:22:20.97\00:22:23.73
That is how me and Angela
worked, I didn't tell her all
00:22:23.77\00:22:26.50
the things, I would
let her get into the drama,
00:22:26.53\00:22:30.02
the codependency. -
you know Dan I have to say.
00:22:30.05\00:22:33.72
I have attachment
disorders and bonding disorders,
00:22:33.75\00:22:37.35
so I know what it feels
like to never feel like you fit
00:22:37.38\00:22:40.08
in, or to all the sudden
make all these scenarios up in
00:22:40.11\00:22:42.77
your head when
you walk into a place.
00:22:42.81\00:22:44.61
Wouldn't it be
incredible if everyone, that has
00:22:44.65\00:22:47.04
that issue, that
has those struggles,
00:22:47.08\00:22:49.05
heard what you just said?
00:22:49.08\00:22:50.26
You can literally challenge
what you think, and that is
00:22:50.30\00:22:54.08
what she was teaching you to do.
00:22:54.11\00:22:55.33
It's amazing! - yes
and she did so many things,
00:22:55.36\00:22:58.82
she was totally accepting me.
00:22:58.85\00:23:01.08
It was like she was
never going to abandon me.
00:23:01.12\00:23:03.07
If you got that
problem let's work on it.
00:23:03.10\00:23:06.05
I'm like, work on it,
00:23:06.08\00:23:07.50
I was hiding if
you know what I mean.
00:23:07.53\00:23:09.22
So we went down to
Barnes & Noble's and she bought
00:23:09.25\00:23:13.16
all these books, about
$100 worth of books which had to
00:23:13.20\00:23:15.72
do with sexual addiction.
00:23:15.75\00:23:17.17
She put them on the table,
she goes now you can tell me
00:23:17.20\00:23:19.67
about what you have done,
even thought about it or done
00:23:19.71\00:23:22.14
it, that was the opened door.
00:23:22.18\00:23:24.25
I wasn't telling
nobody, so I tell her.
00:23:24.29\00:23:27.22
She starts to chuckle,
let's take the books back to
00:23:27.25\00:23:30.28
Barnes & Noble's and let's
work on this thing together.
00:23:30.31\00:23:34.27
She handed me a tape
from a Christian minister that
00:23:34.31\00:23:38.24
talked about that
desire, that sexual desire,
00:23:38.27\00:23:40.56
how God created us to
become fruitful and become many
00:23:40.60\00:23:43.40
and fill the earth.
00:23:43.43\00:23:44.88
That desire was
part of being natural.
00:23:44.92\00:23:48.26
- it wasn't
twisted. - it wasn't.
00:23:48.30\00:23:50.39
That's the way
God created you to be!
00:23:50.43\00:23:52.45
Yes, and I went all my
and that shame lifted off me,
00:23:52.49\00:23:55.94
and I could move, and
my chest lightened up.
00:23:55.97\00:23:58.67
She just looked at me
and said, something's wrong,
00:23:58.70\00:24:00.28
you're bound up, what's wrong?
00:24:00.32\00:24:02.28
She told me you could
either have done it or thought
00:24:02.31\00:24:04.72
about it and I thought
I could tell her anything.
00:24:04.75\00:24:07.31
And I could, this was
the relationship we have with
00:24:07.35\00:24:09.87
this lady, it was
totally wide open.
00:24:09.91\00:24:12.56
It was the strangest thing.
00:24:12.59\00:24:14.92
And for the first time
in your life it sounds like
00:24:14.95\00:24:17.36
someone allowed you to
get a sense of what is normal
00:24:17.40\00:24:19.66
and not normal, because
you didn't get that as a child.
00:24:19.69\00:24:21.92
You did not get that
growing up when you get into
00:24:21.96\00:24:24.65
a religion that
didn't give you that.
00:24:24.69\00:24:26.02
Then you got twisted, so
you didn't get it when you are
00:24:26.05\00:24:29.20
on the streets until
someone said, let's unfold this.
00:24:29.23\00:24:32.20
Yes and actually I got to
thank the gentleman who made
00:24:32.24\00:24:36.75
the tape, he was a monk in
a monastery, almost 90 years
00:24:36.78\00:24:40.46
old, and I said thank
you, you help me when I was 18.
00:24:40.49\00:24:44.32
He was like, well pass it
on, he said just pass it on.
00:24:44.35\00:24:47.98
It was the most unbelievable
thing, but that tape was
00:24:48.02\00:24:51.61
it totally undid
me, it was like Awwwh,
00:24:51.65\00:24:55.65
and it saved my life I believe.
00:24:55.69\00:24:57.62
I would like to go to
questions, but before we do
00:24:57.65\00:24:59.28
I would like you to say
what are some of the number one
00:24:59.31\00:25:03.72
things that helped you to
come out of all that damage,
00:25:03.76\00:25:08.13
I know this woman
allowing you to just talk.
00:25:08.16\00:25:10.24
Talk about for someone
that is in that damage, what
00:25:10.27\00:25:13.60
things could they do to maintain
or to get into recovery?
00:25:13.64\00:25:17.14
Do you want me to
talk right now? - yeah!
00:25:18.72\00:25:20.87
I would say find
someone you can talk to.
00:25:20.91\00:25:23.00
Find a good 12 step, or a
good church where people are
00:25:23.03\00:25:28.00
open and honest and safe.
00:25:28.03\00:25:29.67
There are a lot of
unhealthy 12 steps.
00:25:29.71\00:25:33.02
There are all lot of unhealthy
churches, if I might say
00:25:33.05\00:25:35.48
that, and find
somebody that is for real.
00:25:35.52\00:25:38.41
Someone that you can talk
to and open up with and share.
00:25:38.44\00:25:41.10
If they are accepting of
you, and they love you and you
00:25:41.14\00:25:43.84
can see that love of God in
them, that is the main thing.
00:25:43.88\00:25:46.55
It's interesting
to me about that.
00:25:46.58\00:25:49.37
For a lot of us we end up,
in our damage, in our fear,
00:25:49.41\00:25:53.55
in our depression, anger,
addiction or whatever it is,
00:25:53.58\00:25:57.69
we get more and
more isolated, and
00:25:57.72\00:26:00.06
sometimes we try to
heal in that isolation.
00:26:00.09\00:26:02.47
We are meant to be in
community so I like what
00:26:02.51\00:26:05.38
you are saying, find
some group, find some person
00:26:05.41\00:26:08.51
and start to reverse
what you did to get yourself
00:26:08.54\00:26:11.60
into all this sadness.
00:26:11.64\00:26:13.25
Reverse that, it is hard
at first, it's hard to trust,
00:26:13.29\00:26:16.34
it's hard to come out, it's
hard to connect, and we look
00:26:16.37\00:26:19.39
crazy, were coming
out with all this junk.
00:26:19.43\00:26:22.42
Come out anyway.
00:26:22.45\00:26:24.64
- absolutely, she
was a lifesaver for me.
00:26:24.67\00:26:27.19
What I want to say, for
people that are looking for
00:26:27.22\00:26:30.59
counseling coming out of
crazy situations, for a female
00:26:30.62\00:26:33.28
try to find a female for
a male try to find a male.
00:26:33.32\00:26:35.75
You lucked out in that
she hung in there with you and
00:26:35.79\00:26:38.18
that works but
sometimes it can turn on you.
00:26:38.22\00:26:40.92
So if you can, do
the same-sex counseling.
00:26:40.96\00:26:43.59
I want to open it up to
questions, because I know we
00:26:43.62\00:26:47.49
have some questions in the café.
00:26:47.53\00:26:48.97
Rachel you had a question.
00:26:49.00\00:26:50.60
My name is Rachel and I
am a recovering addict and we
00:26:52.28\00:26:55.57
deal with a lot, I guess my
question is for both of you.
00:26:55.60\00:26:58.86
You mentioned
something about spiritual abuse.
00:26:58.90\00:27:02.26
We came across it a little,
the spiritual abuse and do you
00:27:02.29\00:27:07.07
have any advice to offer,
because I was never spiritually
00:27:07.10\00:27:10.99
abused at all and I heard
that is a tough one to deal
00:27:11.03\00:27:14.72
with, so my question is
how do you approach somebody
00:27:14.75\00:27:18.40
who has been
spiritually abused to turn their
00:27:18.44\00:27:21.15
life over to Jesus?
00:27:21.19\00:27:22.93
I guess first of all
let them know that God loves
00:27:23.95\00:27:27.04
them no matter what.
00:27:27.08\00:27:28.05
A lot at times religious
abuse has to do with shame
00:27:28.06\00:27:30.58
and guilt and that you
are not good enough to God.
00:27:30.61\00:27:34.11
To help them to understand
that God loves them no
00:27:34.15\00:27:37.61
matter what, I would suggest
using the prodigal son story
00:27:37.65\00:27:40.62
a lot, and that is Dan's
favorite story in the Bible.
00:27:40.65\00:27:43.64
For people that don't know
that story, what is the story?
00:27:43.68\00:27:46.63
It's about coming back home.
00:27:46.67\00:27:49.04
The prodigal son story
was one of the trilogies that
00:27:49.07\00:27:52.02
Jesus gave in the New Testament.
00:27:52.06\00:27:53.66
There was the dropped
coin, the lost sheep, and the
00:27:53.70\00:27:56.32
prodigal son that wanted
to go on his own journey.
00:27:56.36\00:27:58.95
- partying, acting out.
00:27:58.98\00:28:01.60
Yeah, he wanted
to live his own life.
00:28:01.63\00:28:03.23
His father represented God
and it was the illustration
00:28:03.27\00:28:04.87
Jesus was giving to teach.
00:28:04.91\00:28:06.66
So his father told the
son to go live your life,
00:28:06.69\00:28:10.00
it's your slice of the
pie, go live your life.
00:28:10.03\00:28:13.27
The interesting thing
about it was, the father still
00:28:13.30\00:28:16.53
loved him while he was on
that journey, while he was out
00:28:16.56\00:28:19.76
there doing all these things.
00:28:19.79\00:28:20.95
He got in trouble
with loose women and
00:28:20.98\00:28:22.54
he did this and he did that.
00:28:22.57\00:28:23.62
He finally ended up with
the pigs, the pigs wouldn't even
00:28:23.65\00:28:27.41
give him something to eat.
00:28:27.44\00:28:28.97
While he was in that desolate,
down position he started
00:28:29.01\00:28:33.95
to get some awareness.
00:28:33.98\00:28:35.01
I'm in trouble here, oh, if
only I could go back home to
00:28:35.05\00:28:38.20
my father, he had no
idea that God loved him.
00:28:38.23\00:28:40.71
That his father
loved him unconditionally.
00:28:40.74\00:28:43.15
So when he came back
home there was this instant
00:28:43.18\00:28:46.20
restoration, we he back
home his father's eyes lit up
00:28:46.24\00:28:49.40
and they embraced, he put
a coat on him and a ring and
00:28:49.44\00:28:52.57
they had a big meal.
00:28:52.61\00:28:54.17
There was no judgment, no
harsh judgment that you were
00:28:54.20\00:28:57.89
bad, you were no good.
00:28:57.92\00:28:59.32
You somehow have to pay
and makeup for what you did.
00:28:59.36\00:29:03.14
You have to be sorry enough.
00:29:03.17\00:29:04.96
You had to do penitence.
- It was none of that.
00:29:04.99\00:29:08.86
It was just saying I am
so glad you are home and that
00:29:08.90\00:29:12.22
you are safe, let me feed you.
00:29:12.25\00:29:14.51
That is healing, so when
you are that kind of person
00:29:14.54\00:29:18.05
and for that person that
has been struggling religiously,
00:29:18.08\00:29:21.58
when you are the unconditional
love, the unconditional
00:29:21.61\00:29:24.95
love of God is flowing through
you it is there for them.
00:29:24.99\00:29:28.29
They see the
Christ, they see God.
00:29:28.33\00:29:30.33
So when we are
that, that is the healing.
00:29:30.36\00:29:33.20
When we say we love you,
you're back home, thank God you
00:29:33.24\00:29:36.00
are home and the Bible
says there's more rejoicing in
00:29:36.03\00:29:38.76
heaven over one and
we are that important.
00:29:38.80\00:29:42.30
The other two trilogies
there was actually a search that
00:29:42.34\00:29:45.04
went on, the lady searched
all over for the coin until
00:29:45.08\00:29:47.75
she found it and
there was great rejoicing.
00:29:47.78\00:29:51.02
There wasn't shame, or
you bad coin your lost.
00:29:51.05\00:29:54.25
Or the other story with the
sheep, we are that important
00:29:56.03\00:29:59.13
that God would search for
us and try to find that sheep.
00:29:59.16\00:30:02.79
Then when the connection is
made there is huge rejoicing.
00:30:02.82\00:30:06.41
So the shame people
have, you know what I mean?
00:30:06.44\00:30:09.43
You are doing bad,
you're outside of religion.
00:30:09.47\00:30:12.39
You know that he didn't
even say, old dad I'm so sorry
00:30:12.43\00:30:15.05
please forgive me, before,
the dad was already saying,
00:30:15.08\00:30:17.67
son I love you and
I'm so that your back.
00:30:17.71\00:30:20.03
We think we have to do
these big gyrations to get God's
00:30:20.06\00:30:23.22
love back, I remember one
time that God helped me to
00:30:23.26\00:30:26.51
know, Angela I miss you,
just knowing that God was
00:30:26.55\00:30:29.73
missing me, here I was quilting
myself over something for days.
00:30:29.77\00:30:33.21
I wouldn't connect with
Him again, because I had this
00:30:33.25\00:30:35.66
shame and guilt about something.
00:30:35.69\00:30:37.52
All of a sudden I got it,
God was trying to say, Angela
00:30:37.55\00:30:40.26
quit wasting all
this time, I miss you.
00:30:40.29\00:30:43.59
Let's get this out of the
way, come on I'm miss you.
00:30:43.62\00:30:46.47
I thought, that was it
for me, when I make a mistake
00:30:46.50\00:30:49.03
I apologize and it is
over and we are back together.
00:30:49.07\00:30:51.88
What I have to say is, I
can see that clearly in both
00:30:51.91\00:30:54.92
of your stories, you believe
that God loves you and you
00:30:54.96\00:30:57.45
know that He has forgiven
you and you receive that and
00:30:57.49\00:30:59.95
it has been healing.
00:30:59.99\00:31:01.29
Thank you for joining us
I think it has been amazing
00:31:01.33\00:31:03.53
to have you here.
00:31:03.57\00:31:04.83
I hope you can
come again. - thank you!
00:31:04.86\00:31:06.83
We'll be right back, I
have a few more things I would
00:31:06.87\00:31:09.15
like to say, so stay with us.
00:31:09.19\00:31:10.70