Welcome back, this is my favorite part of the program 00:00:14.49\00:00:16.51 because I get to meet friends of mine, 00:00:16.54\00:00:18.03 different people that come on 00:00:18.07\00:00:19.14 the program to share 00:00:19.18\00:00:20.50 their testimony. 00:00:20.53\00:00:21.79 Most of them I walk away from here just wanting to 00:00:21.82\00:00:26.16 kiss God on the face. 00:00:26.20\00:00:27.52 What an incredible God we have that says it doesn't 00:00:27.56\00:00:29.77 matter where you come from, what you have, 00:00:29.81\00:00:31.70 He delights in our healing. 00:00:31.73\00:00:34.02 That is just amazing to me. 00:00:34.05\00:00:36.27 Today we are going to meet somebody with an incredible 00:00:36.31\00:00:38.99 testimony, and also is an incredible teacher. 00:00:39.02\00:00:42.18 So Ken I just want to say, 00:00:42.22\00:00:43.85 I was going to say the reason I asked you on the program, 00:00:43.88\00:00:48.31 but actually I just cornered you. 00:00:48.35\00:00:49.65 Well I didn't feel that way 00:00:51.70\00:00:53.37 at all because I thought you 00:00:53.40\00:00:54.95 were just inviting me to set 00:00:54.98\00:00:56.78 down here on the set and to 00:00:56.81\00:00:58.54 watch the program, I didn't know I was going to be 00:00:58.57\00:01:01.55 in this position. 00:01:01.59\00:01:02.77 That's funny, because when I was at that meeting of yours, 00:01:02.80\00:01:05.66 I was sitting there and you were teaching this very thing. 00:01:05.70\00:01:08.53 I was most the time full of tears. 00:01:08.56\00:01:11.27 Another time I was laughing, I thought you taught 00:01:11.31\00:01:14.77 it with so much grace and so much compassion that I thought 00:01:14.81\00:01:18.24 he's got to be on the program. 00:01:18.28\00:01:19.67 When I asked you, and you said yes, I was just thrilled. 00:01:19.71\00:01:23.07 Then I realized that you thought you were going to sit 00:01:23.11\00:01:26.74 there, I thought I cannot have Ken Cox on the show just 00:01:26.78\00:01:30.38 sitting in the café. 00:01:30.42\00:01:31.83 So I said no, no I want you to speak. 00:01:31.86\00:01:35.02 You are so humble, it was funny because you said, 00:01:35.05\00:01:38.16 well I don't know. 00:01:38.20\00:01:39.82 I look at you and thought you look pretty normal, 00:01:39.86\00:01:42.87 can you get a Mohawk and some ear rings first? 00:01:42.90\00:01:45.87 So for people that know you there is no introduction 00:01:49.13\00:01:51.77 needed, but for people that don't can you tell us a 00:01:51.81\00:01:54.62 little bit about Who you are? and How God lead you? 00:01:54.66\00:01:57.40 Then we will talk about what you taught the other night. 00:01:57.44\00:02:00.59 Well to begin with I'm a addict. 00:02:00.63\00:02:04.37 No way! Yeah! I'm like shut up! 00:02:05.71\00:02:08.72 I'm an addict, I'm an addict of Jesus Christ. 00:02:09.74\00:02:12.79 And that I am, and that is my whole life. 00:02:12.82\00:02:15.83 It has been that for years. 00:02:15.87\00:02:18.39 I started working in evangelism winning souls full-time 00:02:18.42\00:02:27.16 in 1970, I've done it full-time ever since then. 00:02:27.20\00:02:31.08 I've been on the road 10 months out of the year 00:02:31.11\00:02:34.96 since that time. 00:02:35.00\00:02:37.02 With such a desire to teach someone how to get free? 00:02:38.55\00:02:41.45 That's right! That's huge! 00:02:41.48\00:02:44.21 Teach people about what Christ has to offer. 00:02:44.24\00:02:47.89 He is absolutely so wonderful in all, and all that He does. 00:02:47.93\00:02:54.00 Just like with yourself, you sit here and said I'm an 00:02:54.04\00:02:57.52 addict and all this and that, but Christ also said, 00:02:57.55\00:03:00.99 you are a Pearl of great price. 00:03:01.03\00:03:03.14 It says that He would have come and died 00:03:03.18\00:03:07.01 if it had only been you. 00:03:07.05\00:03:08.57 The first time I heard you say that, 00:03:08.61\00:03:10.58 I was just coming out of homelessness and drug addiction 00:03:10.62\00:03:14.85 and you were talking to a church and you said 00:03:14.89\00:03:18.74 those things and I wept. 00:03:18.78\00:03:20.77 I was 100 pounds and strung out on heroine. 00:03:22.50\00:03:24.82 If I would have came up to you, 00:03:24.86\00:03:26.68 I would have scared you, I think. 00:03:26.71\00:03:28.46 You know those truths are so amazing, 00:03:28.50\00:03:32.18 are you talking about me? 00:03:32.21\00:03:34.61 What I hear you saying is absolutely. 00:03:34.65\00:03:38.31 You see you are totally unique, there is not another person 00:03:38.35\00:03:41.24 like you anywhere in all of God's universe. 00:03:41.27\00:03:44.74 There is not any other person like each one of us. 00:03:44.77\00:03:47.31 God does not clone, God creates. 00:03:47.35\00:03:51.49 The only people that clone are people who can't create. 00:03:51.52\00:03:54.48 But God creates and God makes each one of us distinctly 00:03:56.00\00:03:59.65 different, so there's not another person like us anywhere. 00:03:59.68\00:04:03.30 So I do not care what a person's background is. 00:04:03.33\00:04:05.89 I do not care where they have been. 00:04:05.92\00:04:07.08 I do not care what they have done, they are still unique. 00:04:07.12\00:04:10.45 They are still special, there is not another 00:04:10.48\00:04:13.69 individual like them. 00:04:13.73\00:04:15.02 That is why it is so important that they are not lost. 00:04:15.06\00:04:18.52 That they are in God's kingdom, because if they are lost 00:04:18.55\00:04:21.97 throughout eternity there will never be another 00:04:22.01\00:04:24.98 person like them. 00:04:25.01\00:04:26.31 It is so important that they understand. 00:04:26.34\00:04:28.96 So when you heard that at the beginning of the program 00:04:29.00\00:04:32.49 talking about righteousness by faith and what does all that 00:04:32.52\00:04:36.52 means, imputed righteousness, imparted righteousness, 00:04:36.55\00:04:39.49 and sanctification, words that for a lot of us coming 00:04:39.52\00:04:42.42 into a relationship with God. 00:04:42.46\00:04:45.71 Those are huge, I was literate when I first came to 00:04:45.74\00:04:48.54 church and somebody would say, we are going to study 00:04:48.57\00:04:51.14 Revelation and I would have a Bible because I knew that 00:04:51.18\00:04:53.71 I had to have one. 00:04:53.75\00:04:54.72 I would go like this and say go ahead. 00:04:54.73\00:04:56.85 They would look at me and say no Revelation. 00:04:58.46\00:05:00.71 I couldn't read anything so I'm thinking okay I'm smart 00:05:00.74\00:05:03.49 enough to realize I must be in the wrong place so I 00:05:03.52\00:05:06.23 go like okay now I am ready. 00:05:06.27\00:05:08.04 For some of us, we come in not only illiterate as far as 00:05:08.08\00:05:12.34 our own ability to read, but illiterate definitely as far 00:05:12.38\00:05:16.61 as Christian terms and concepts. 00:05:16.64\00:05:18.74 So the other night you took this very truth that could be 00:05:18.77\00:05:22.63 very complicated and made it so assessable, so simple. 00:05:22.66\00:05:26.48 So unfold that for us. 00:05:26.52\00:05:28.79 You talked a little bit about it here and referred to it 00:05:28.83\00:05:33.65 in the sense that when we come to Christ and we reach out 00:05:33.68\00:05:38.47 in faith and accept Him, except what He did for us. 00:05:38.51\00:05:42.83 Accept His death, His perfect life in our behalf, 00:05:42.86\00:05:47.15 and we accept that, we become a new person. 00:05:47.18\00:05:50.40 Right! So when you say accept that, all the sins I ever 00:05:50.44\00:05:53.28 committed, all the things that have been done to me, 00:05:53.32\00:05:56.13 or that I have done. 00:05:56.16\00:05:57.29 Christ said I'm going to take that guilt for you. 00:05:57.33\00:06:01.51 I'm going to take that sin upon Myself for you. 00:06:01.55\00:06:05.09 So you are saying when I accept that truth, 00:06:05.12\00:06:08.67 that Christ not only took it but died and paid 00:06:08.70\00:06:12.21 the penalty for all that. 00:06:12.24\00:06:13.59 Well there is a scripture that says exactly that. 00:06:13.63\00:06:16.55 It is found here in 2 Corinthians 5:21. 00:06:16.58\00:06:19.96 I know where that is at now. Okay! 00:06:20.00\00:06:23.35 It just simply says, "for he made him," 00:06:24.93\00:06:28.06 that's Jesus Christ, "made him who knew no sin. " 00:06:28.09\00:06:32.81 He didn't know any sin. 00:06:32.85\00:06:34.65 He never sinned, He knew no sin to be sin for us. 00:06:34.69\00:06:38.54 That means He took our sins and then it says, 00:06:38.57\00:06:42.35 "that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. " 00:06:42.39\00:06:45.83 That in essence is exactly what you talked about. 00:06:45.87\00:06:49.78 That is what He does, when I come to Christ, 00:06:49.82\00:06:52.75 and I accept Him, then He paid the debt for my sins, 00:06:52.79\00:06:58.21 all my sins. 00:06:58.25\00:07:00.07 I do not care what they are, from the day I was born 00:07:00.11\00:07:03.33 to the day I accept Christ are paid for by His death. 00:07:03.37\00:07:06.55 That's all paid for. 00:07:06.59\00:07:08.29 It's already done, it's a done deal. 00:07:08.33\00:07:09.95 That is a gift for me, freely given by God, saying I want to 00:07:09.99\00:07:13.89 give you this and you haven't done a thing, and cannot 00:07:13.92\00:07:17.47 do a thing for this incredible gift. 00:07:17.50\00:07:20.51 I want someone to think about it as a gift which really 00:07:20.55\00:07:24.14 it's interesting, is no matter how big the gift is, 00:07:24.17\00:07:27.14 no matter how incredible it is, when somebody gives you 00:07:27.17\00:07:30.11 that from the moment it is in your hands, 00:07:30.14\00:07:33.18 Who does it belong to? 00:07:33.21\00:07:35.56 Completely it is mine. 00:07:35.60\00:07:37.88 So it is like being able to say that it is then for ever 00:07:37.91\00:07:42.18 my property and God says it is completely yours. 00:07:42.21\00:07:46.26 It's not a gift with strings. 00:07:46.30\00:07:48.79 It is not a gift that has anything attached to it, 00:07:48.83\00:07:52.01 because you do not have the ability to pay. 00:07:52.05\00:07:54.56 As an heroine addict that is illiterate and strung out, 00:07:54.59\00:07:57.36 when I understood that I was thinking, 00:07:57.39\00:07:59.06 Why did You do that? 00:07:59.10\00:08:00.26 I don't understand that? 00:08:00.29\00:08:01.39 I don't understand it either, why would God take His name 00:08:01.42\00:08:06.30 who is righteous, who is holy and all that, excuse me. 00:08:06.33\00:08:11.17 I don't mean this in the wrong way. 00:08:11.21\00:08:12.64 But why in the world would He take all that and give it to 00:08:12.68\00:08:16.27 you, a drug addict and say I'm not just giving it to you, 00:08:16.31\00:08:19.86 I'm giving you My name? 00:08:19.90\00:08:21.19 Why? I'm giving you My life! 00:08:21.22\00:08:24.18 You can call Me, Father and say, I'm your child. 00:08:24.22\00:08:28.35 I'll take that responsibility, why? Love! 00:08:28.39\00:08:34.61 That is huge, it really is. 00:08:34.65\00:08:36.61 Nothing like you or I understand, but that is love. 00:08:36.65\00:08:41.58 That is what God does with His grace and so there 00:08:41.62\00:08:46.37 is nothing about it, in any way, in which I earn it. 00:08:46.41\00:08:51.13 Or I deserve it, never throughout eternity, 00:08:51.17\00:08:56.02 I will never deserve it. 00:08:56.06\00:08:57.91 When I was trying to kill myself in the drug house, 00:08:57.94\00:09:01.23 I was illiterate and strung out and my parents were 00:09:01.26\00:09:06.02 strung out, I remember Him giving me that impression 00:09:06.06\00:09:10.78 that sense that God so loves me. 00:09:10.81\00:09:13.70 I couldn't even receive it, but it changed everything. 00:09:13.74\00:09:19.45 Then somebody showed me Jeremiah 29:11, 00:09:19.48\00:09:23.31 "I have a plan for you, a future. " 00:09:23.35\00:09:25.77 Not even my parents had a plan for me. 00:09:25.81\00:09:28.16 No one on this planet has a plan for me and God said, 00:09:28.19\00:09:30.64 don't ever think that I don't have a plan for you. 00:09:30.67\00:09:33.08 So He just takes us, as it says we are born again. 00:09:34.91\00:09:41.15 He gives you a new life. 00:09:41.18\00:09:44.50 He gives you a spiritual nature which you do not have 00:09:44.53\00:09:49.74 before then, it is a spiritual nature that is given to you 00:09:49.77\00:09:52.90 and that spiritual nature is handed to you and me. 00:09:52.94\00:09:56.51 It is given to us totally and completely as a babe. 00:09:56.55\00:10:00.19 It is not given to us full grown, it is given to us 00:10:00.23\00:10:03.93 just as a babe and God hands that to us, that's a gift. 00:10:03.97\00:10:08.16 Like you said it is mine, now I need to do something 00:10:08.20\00:10:12.35 with the gift. 00:10:12.39\00:10:13.66 A little baby, yet just a little baby. 00:10:13.70\00:10:15.56 So what do I need to do? 00:10:15.60\00:10:17.72 Well I've got to feed it, because it has got to eat. 00:10:17.76\00:10:22.06 If it doesn't it will die, so I have to feed the baby. 00:10:22.10\00:10:27.15 That's were it comes in, it doesn't mean that I gave birth 00:10:27.19\00:10:32.20 to the baby, I didn't, God gave that to us. 00:10:32.24\00:10:35.46 But I must feed it, I must let it breathe, I must let it 00:10:35.50\00:10:39.49 grow, those are things that I have to do to the 00:10:39.52\00:10:43.49 new nature and that is why it says in Hebrews 5:13, 00:10:43.52\00:10:47.46 "it is as a babe. " 00:10:47.49\00:10:49.68 It is given to us as a babe. 00:10:49.72\00:10:52.45 I love what you, what I have heard you say is that baby 00:10:52.48\00:10:57.31 is so much there and so thrilled and happy like any baby. 00:10:57.34\00:11:02.13 It is waiting to be fed and cared for, 00:11:02.17\00:11:04.53 but the nature that I told you about in my dream 00:11:06.57\00:11:08.57 that wants to manipulate and go out and do that stuff, 00:11:08.61\00:11:11.28 that nature is still there too. 00:11:11.31\00:11:14.26 That's what the Scripture calls the "old nature". 00:11:14.30\00:11:18.11 That's the old man of sin and unfortunately too many 00:11:18.14\00:11:22.06 people think that they have to dress up the old man. 00:11:22.10\00:11:25.95 I think that! Not that I do anymore, but I thought that. 00:11:25.98\00:11:30.29 Somehow as soon as I got in church, 00:11:30.32\00:11:32.24 I looked around and thought, I don't fit with anybody. 00:11:32.27\00:11:34.77 I don't belong here. 00:11:34.80\00:11:35.79 I looked at every one of these women and thought, 00:11:35.83\00:11:37.85 if I dress like that I'll fit. 00:11:37.89\00:11:40.32 So I just dressed it up. 00:11:40.36\00:11:41.91 Dress up the old man, it is like saying, it's like me going 00:11:41.94\00:11:49.94 and setting in the garage, that's what it's like. 00:11:49.98\00:11:54.46 I think if I sit in the garage that will make me 00:11:54.49\00:11:59.11 an automobile, it just doesn't do that you see. 00:11:59.15\00:12:03.69 I thought if I set the garage and to make me a mechanic. 00:12:03.73\00:12:07.45 It doesn't do that so we get the idea if I act like a 00:12:07.48\00:12:10.50 Christian, and I speak like Christian, I do this it 00:12:10.53\00:12:13.51 makes me a Christian. 00:12:13.54\00:12:14.96 No! That does not make you a Christian. 00:12:14.99\00:12:17.56 You know why I know that is true? 00:12:17.60\00:12:18.86 I'm sitting in church and I have the right clothes on, 00:12:18.89\00:12:21.31 every single time the offering plate went by, 00:12:21.34\00:12:23.84 I wanted to rip it off. 00:12:23.88\00:12:25.14 I kept thinking why do people keep putting money in that. 00:12:25.18\00:12:28.73 I need that money, you know I am a thief so to me that was 00:12:28.76\00:12:32.28 my first instinct, and I literally had to fight that 00:12:32.31\00:12:35.08 because I kept thinking I could probably do it, 00:12:35.12\00:12:37.78 as it goes by, I can figure out a way. 00:12:37.82\00:12:39.77 That old nature is still very much there, unless what? 00:12:39.80\00:12:44.58 Unless I take the old nature and I crucify it. 00:12:44.61\00:12:49.31 That is what Paul said, he said I am crucified with Christ. 00:12:49.34\00:12:53.84 It says that we have to put the old man to death and 00:12:53.87\00:12:58.14 unless I do then he is going to, how should I say it? 00:12:58.17\00:13:02.40 Take the baby and rule over it. 00:13:02.43\00:13:05.87 He doesn't like the baby and is opposed to it. 00:13:05.90\00:13:08.54 He will fight it and do anything he can so I had this 00:13:08.57\00:13:11.99 tremendous conflict going on in my soul because the 00:13:12.02\00:13:15.64 baby is crying to be fed, and the old man of sin is 00:13:15.68\00:13:19.26 trying to kick it and so I have this conflict 00:13:19.30\00:13:22.27 that is taking place. 00:13:22.30\00:13:23.70 That is where you and I must learn that when it comes to 00:13:23.73\00:13:28.52 the old nature, sinful nature, I have to crucify it. 00:13:28.55\00:13:33.27 I have to put it to death, and I have to do that everyday. 00:13:33.30\00:13:36.57 What is really interesting to me is that 00:13:36.61\00:13:39.92 I've known addicts, sexual addicts, drug addicts, 00:13:39.96\00:13:44.12 and rage-aholics, work-aholics, and we can behave for a 00:13:44.15\00:13:47.92 short period of time, but we can't change this nature. 00:13:47.96\00:13:51.69 God has finally convinced me this nature is not 00:13:51.73\00:13:55.18 changeable, I can't put a Band-Aid on it. 00:13:55.21\00:13:57.35 I'm not going to come and fix it. 00:13:57.38\00:13:58.68 I actually am going to come and make all things new. 00:13:58.71\00:14:02.47 You were in Corinthians, 2 Corinthians 5. 00:14:02.50\00:14:05.88 If you go back to 17, 17 says you are a new creature. 00:14:05.92\00:14:09.28 New heart and a new mind and all those kind of things. 00:14:09.32\00:14:12.65 I think we have to wrap our minds around that. 00:14:12.68\00:14:14.82 I'm not going to be an addict that learns not to lie. 00:14:14.86\00:14:19.33 I'm going to be a Christian that is new and in Christ. 00:14:19.37\00:14:22.93 He is going to show me how it feels not to be a liar. 00:14:22.97\00:14:26.50 I'm not a liar anymore. 00:14:26.54\00:14:27.89 In other words I've got to take this new nature He has 00:14:27.92\00:14:34.40 given me, as I take day by day I surrender myself. 00:14:34.43\00:14:40.88 I surrender myself to the Lord. 00:14:40.91\00:14:42.86 You know that addicts hate to do anything day by day. 00:14:42.90\00:14:45.69 Yeah! Right! 00:14:45.73\00:14:47.51 But you are saying day by day, that I can't let up 00:14:47.55\00:14:52.28 because this old man is still trying to kill the baby off. 00:14:52.31\00:14:55.57 That is right, and the old man is going to be there 00:14:55.61\00:14:57.72 until the resurrection, I'm sorry. 00:14:57.76\00:15:00.17 The old man is there, he may not be in very good shape 00:15:00.21\00:15:03.64 I may have crucified him enough that he has had it, 00:15:03.67\00:15:07.42 but nevertheless the old sinful nature is there and I 00:15:07.46\00:15:11.17 have to day by day surrender myself to the Lord. 00:15:11.21\00:15:16.33 I have to surrender and then the Holy Spirit can come 00:15:16.36\00:15:20.53 into my life and begin to change me and make me different. 00:15:20.57\00:15:25.72 How do you feed the baby? 00:15:26.94\00:15:28.11 What do you mean by that? 00:15:28.15\00:15:29.26 Well it says we feed it by the word, 00:15:29.29\00:15:31.48 the milk of the word is what Scripture says. 00:15:31.52\00:15:33.85 So this is food for the baby, that is what it is. 00:15:33.88\00:15:38.75 I may not understand it very well. 00:15:38.79\00:15:41.01 I may say, okay I'm ready, like you did. 00:15:41.05\00:15:44.30 I may not understand this but what it is, 00:15:44.34\00:15:48.17 is I take it and it says that some of us, 00:15:48.20\00:15:51.00 to start off with, have to drink milk. 00:15:51.03\00:15:53.76 So we start with milk, but later on I pick it up 00:15:53.79\00:15:58.28 and begin to get more into it and you will find it happens 00:15:58.31\00:16:01.93 as you understand one part of it, it opens that up 00:16:01.96\00:16:06.09 for another part and it just keeps expanding and expanding. 00:16:06.12\00:16:09.32 Sometimes when people can't read or if they have trouble 00:16:09.36\00:16:12.79 with understanding, find somebody they can read to you, 00:16:12.82\00:16:16.22 or speak to you. Absolutely! 00:16:16.26\00:16:17.47 The first time I read in Zephaniah, where it says, 00:16:17.51\00:16:20.89 God sings over us, I thought no way. 00:16:20.93\00:16:24.01 Then I just imagined myself, because I never had a mother 00:16:24.05\00:16:27.36 that sang to me or even wanted me to sit next to her. 00:16:27.39\00:16:30.80 But God of the universe sings over us to comfort us. 00:16:30.83\00:16:34.17 I thought if I would have never learned that by the word, 00:16:34.21\00:16:38.62 this baby would never have been comforted by the 00:16:38.66\00:16:41.31 thought of God singing. 00:16:41.34\00:16:42.83 Once you have faith in the word that it is true, 00:16:42.87\00:16:45.79 you can almost hear His voice, 00:16:45.82\00:16:47.75 which is an incredible thing. 00:16:47.78\00:16:49.89 Absolutely, it is marvelous. 00:16:49.92\00:16:51.96 So this is what begins to change the life. 00:16:52.00\00:16:56.58 Each one of us are different. 00:16:56.61\00:16:59.26 Each one of us have weaknesses and each one has strengths. 00:16:59.29\00:17:06.05 That is in all of us, but those weaknesses, 00:17:06.08\00:17:10.72 those begin to change as the Holy Spirit works in our life. 00:17:10.75\00:17:15.98 That's where fruits of the Spirit come in. 00:17:16.01\00:17:18.74 That is where love, joy, peace, long-suffering, 00:17:18.77\00:17:21.86 all those fruits come into my life and begin to work. 00:17:21.90\00:17:27.62 As you were saying, as they happen I see things that I 00:17:27.65\00:17:33.34 said, was I doing that? 00:17:33.37\00:17:36.71 Was I really acting that way and doing that? 00:17:36.75\00:17:40.89 Because that is the work of the Holy Spirit. 00:17:40.92\00:17:45.03 You begin to see it, like it says, oh that God would give 00:17:45.06\00:17:49.85 us the gift to see ourselves as others see us. 00:17:49.89\00:17:52.48 Old God give us the gift to see ourselves as You see us. 00:17:52.51\00:17:55.53 As God sees us. 00:17:55.57\00:17:56.85 With a lot of addicts it is really funny that somebody 00:17:56.89\00:18:00.37 will, and I work with primarily with addicts in recovery. 00:18:00.40\00:18:03.59 Someone will say how can you tell it if an addict is lying? 00:18:03.63\00:18:06.78 Well is their mouth moving? 00:18:06.82\00:18:08.66 We have learned to lie to so much that we do not even know 00:18:08.70\00:18:12.66 when not to, or what is the truth. 00:18:12.70\00:18:14.69 So with the nature like that and the automatic instincts 00:18:14.73\00:18:19.16 like that, don't trust yourself. 00:18:19.19\00:18:21.29 Ask God through the Holy Spirit, show me what it feels like 00:18:21.33\00:18:25.62 to live a victorious life. 00:18:25.65\00:18:26.97 Show me what it feels like not to lie and 00:18:27.00\00:18:29.00 to live in integrity. 00:18:29.03\00:18:30.47 Once He starts doing that, 00:18:30.50\00:18:31.80 you start to be able to recognize the lies. 00:18:31.84\00:18:34.14 It is so much fun to say, you know what, 00:18:34.17\00:18:36.44 Today, I don't have to lie. 00:18:36.47\00:18:38.57 Some people may have to say, this five minutes... 00:18:38.61\00:18:42.92 I haven't lied! It may not be a whole day. 00:18:42.96\00:18:46.70 It is amazing that God said, people may get frustrated 00:18:46.73\00:18:50.75 with your daily walk, or with your stage at feeding the 00:18:50.78\00:18:54.76 baby, or nurturing this baby, but God never does. 00:18:54.79\00:18:59.01 Never does, God is proud of you and 00:18:59.04\00:19:01.57 wants to be right there. 00:19:01.60\00:19:02.89 I want to teach you to stand up. 00:19:02.93\00:19:04.67 I want to teach you to walk. 00:19:04.70\00:19:06.37 I want to teach you to get over requiring milk. 00:19:06.40\00:19:10.59 I want to teach you to do all that. 00:19:10.62\00:19:11.94 I think all of heaven delights, and I want to say 00:19:12.76\00:19:15.41 one more thing, because I read the Desire of Ages, 00:19:15.45\00:19:18.09 no Ministry of Healing, it is a book that I love 00:19:18.13\00:19:20.74 by a woman named Ellen White. 00:19:20.78\00:19:22.53 There is a chapter called, Saved To Serve. 00:19:22.56\00:19:25.75 There is a scene where there is Angels around God. 00:19:25.78\00:19:30.55 I'm not sure what they were doing, 00:19:30.58\00:19:31.98 because I was new in recovery, 00:19:32.02\00:19:33.61 and the Angels were saying, 00:19:33.65\00:19:35.21 Can I have that one? 00:19:35.25\00:19:38.13 Because that one is going to fall a billion times. 00:19:38.16\00:19:41.62 I want to be there to comfort them and stand them back up. 00:19:41.66\00:19:45.67 I thought no way, that Angel is pleading with God 00:19:45.71\00:19:49.24 to have this addict, this one that nobody wants, 00:19:49.28\00:19:52.70 but the angels of heaven want us and God Himself 00:19:52.73\00:19:56.12 wants our victory. 00:19:56.15\00:19:57.44 It is amazing to say that as a child stands up and falls 00:19:57.47\00:20:00.32 down and stands up and falls down that God says, 00:20:00.35\00:20:03.44 I'm so proud of you. 00:20:03.48\00:20:05.02 The marvelous thing that you have to understand is as 00:20:05.05\00:20:09.17 I grow, I get this five minutes that we were just 00:20:09.21\00:20:13.29 talking about, in which I didn't lie. 00:20:13.33\00:20:15.23 I didn't lie for five minutes, that five minutes as far 00:20:15.26\00:20:19.96 as righteousness is concerned, in making you acceptable 00:20:20.00\00:20:24.67 before God does not count. 00:20:24.70\00:20:27.51 In what sense? Because we want to celebrate. 00:20:27.54\00:20:31.31 We want to say to all of heaven, did you see that? 00:20:31.35\00:20:34.26 Yeah and that is wonderful, but it doesn't count. 00:20:34.30\00:20:37.14 It is the righteousness of Christ that is given to you 00:20:37.18\00:20:41.35 that counts. 00:20:41.39\00:20:42.77 So He is not looking for us to get it, He saying you 00:20:42.81\00:20:45.00 have already got the gift. 00:20:45.03\00:20:46.24 This is just icing on the cake that you get to feel 00:20:46.28\00:20:49.29 what it feels like to be free of all that junk. 00:20:49.33\00:20:52.27 He is saying that I am here to help you and to lead you 00:20:52.30\00:20:56.12 and to guide you and help you to grow and all this, 00:20:56.16\00:20:59.94 but this doesn't make you worthy of heaven. 00:20:59.98\00:21:04.17 This is My righteousness that makes you worthy of heaven. 00:21:04.20\00:21:08.47 That is the marvelous thing about it that I don't have 00:21:08.50\00:21:12.73 to say, I just lost it all. 00:21:12.76\00:21:16.32 No! You are not gaining it all or losing it all, 00:21:16.36\00:21:20.08 it is already done. 00:21:20.11\00:21:21.17 I said the other night, you can't win God's grace, 00:21:21.21\00:21:25.21 it has already been given. 00:21:25.25\00:21:27.23 Since you cannot win God's grace you can't lose it. 00:21:27.27\00:21:32.12 It is given to you. Because He so loves us. 00:21:33.82\00:21:36.22 That's right! And delights in our recovery. 00:21:36.26\00:21:38.63 He wants us to succeed. 00:21:38.66\00:21:40.10 You are so lucky I didn't get up from my chair 00:21:42.59\00:21:44.46 and kiss you on the face when you were speaking, 00:21:44.49\00:21:46.32 because there are things that you said. 00:21:46.36\00:21:48.42 One of the things was about the guy that was smoking. 00:21:48.46\00:21:50.55 I can't come to God because I'm smoking. 00:21:51.87\00:21:53.82 Right! You said. 00:21:53.85\00:21:55.45 I simply said, you come to Christ. 00:21:55.49\00:22:00.45 He said you mean I can come to Christ while I smoke? 00:22:00.48\00:22:04.06 That's what I I'm telling you. 00:22:04.10\00:22:05.99 Go ahead and smoke if you want to. 00:22:06.03\00:22:07.58 That's right! I think eventually he said to him? 00:22:07.62\00:22:10.55 Well he eventually said, what am I going to do about these? 00:22:10.59\00:22:14.72 I said if you want to give them up, give them up. 00:22:14.76\00:22:16.95 He gave them up because he wanted to. 00:22:16.99\00:22:20.07 For me that whole pressure that comes off of us, 00:22:20.11\00:22:25.08 when we realize we are truly saved by the grace of God. 00:22:25.12\00:22:29.85 The righteousness of God and everything else is His love 00:22:29.88\00:22:33.70 that allows us to get out of bondage to all this junk. 00:22:33.73\00:22:37.51 My lies are bondage. 00:22:37.55\00:22:39.63 I'm manipulative, my lying behaviors keeps me disconnected 00:22:39.66\00:22:43.30 from, not only God, but everybody around me. 00:22:43.33\00:22:45.86 I never get a sense of what it feels like to laugh 00:22:45.89\00:22:48.41 in my own skin. 00:22:48.45\00:22:49.53 God says as your Father, I can't wait to show you what 00:22:49.57\00:22:53.27 it feels like to be okay, just to feel at rest. 00:22:53.31\00:22:57.86 When He comes to you and says, neither do I condemn you. 00:22:57.90\00:23:01.75 How cool is that? 00:23:01.78\00:23:03.86 I mean, He is not condemning you, He is just saying 00:23:03.90\00:23:07.17 I'm here, I'm here for you and will give you this 00:23:07.21\00:23:10.44 and you can accept it. 00:23:10.48\00:23:12.41 That is what He is simply asking us to do, 00:23:12.45\00:23:14.84 is just come to Him as we are, 00:23:14.87\00:23:17.95 and accept what He has done. 00:23:17.98\00:23:20.99 Then it says that He will do these things in our lives. 00:23:21.03\00:23:25.59 He says... not that He will encourage you to do them? 00:23:25.63\00:23:30.16 He even says, I'll put them there. 00:23:30.20\00:23:33.16 I'll make you, I'll do this. 00:23:33.19\00:23:35.47 He uses those words, I'll put it there, I'll make you. 00:23:35.51\00:23:39.85 My part over and over again is to keep Kenneth Cox 00:23:39.88\00:23:44.15 surrendered to His will because you do, even though you 00:23:44.18\00:23:49.46 may have abused it, even though you may have done 00:23:49.50\00:23:52.49 a lot of things to it, you do have a will. 00:23:52.53\00:23:55.11 That is your choice and all He is saying is all 00:23:55.15\00:24:00.53 I'm asking you to do is to choose. 00:24:00.56\00:24:02.44 Choose me, choose me. Every day! 00:24:02.47\00:24:04.28 Choose to walk away from the old stuff everyday. 00:24:04.32\00:24:07.41 So this baby, the word of God is what this baby 00:24:07.44\00:24:10.50 gets fed by? 00:24:10.54\00:24:11.83 So how does it breath? Talk about breathing. 00:24:11.87\00:24:14.14 It breathes through prayer. Alright! 00:24:14.17\00:24:16.41 Prayer is the breath of the soul. 00:24:16.45\00:24:18.65 Can I say, preach it brother? 00:24:18.69\00:24:19.90 That is the way it breathes and sometimes folks get so 00:24:19.93\00:24:26.56 wrapped up in the fact that you don't have to say 00:24:26.59\00:24:29.75 special words to pray. 00:24:29.78\00:24:31.02 Most addicts I work with, hard-core addicts that they 00:24:31.06\00:24:35.95 are a mess and had never done any kind of nothing 00:24:35.99\00:24:40.81 for anybody and all of a sudden they get spiritual and 00:24:40.85\00:24:43.76 they get on their knees the first time they'll say, 00:24:43.79\00:24:46.79 God bestow on me, I'm thinking where did you learn that word? 00:24:46.82\00:24:49.75 Isn't that funny because we do think there is a way 00:24:51.08\00:24:53.83 to do it, and if we don't know how to do it then we 00:24:53.86\00:24:56.57 shy away from prayer. 00:24:56.61\00:24:58.22 You're saying right now, no! 00:24:58.25\00:25:00.07 Just talked to Him. 00:25:00.11\00:25:01.13 Don't let the Devil lie to you. 00:25:01.17\00:25:02.82 Don't let the old self lie to you. 00:25:02.86\00:25:04.44 You can say it however you want to say it 00:25:04.48\00:25:06.94 and God will hear you. 00:25:06.97\00:25:08.19 God will hear you. 00:25:08.23\00:25:09.38 The thing that we must do though is, I mustn't, since I'm 00:25:09.42\00:25:14.02 here, as God comes into my life and works in me, 00:25:14.05\00:25:20.98 I must continue to grow. 00:25:21.02\00:25:23.60 That is what He wants to do. 00:25:23.64\00:25:26.16 He's not saying you got to grow to here to get to heaven. 00:25:26.19\00:25:30.07 He is not saying that. 00:25:30.11\00:25:31.08 He is just saying I want you to grow, 00:25:31.09\00:25:32.89 I want your life to change and so He wants to come in. 00:25:32.93\00:25:37.43 That is why I have to surrender. 00:25:37.47\00:25:39.28 Today there are so many people that want to come to the 00:25:39.32\00:25:43.15 Lord but they don't want to grow. 00:25:43.19\00:25:44.24 They just want to stay where they are. 00:25:44.28\00:25:46.93 They want some body to feed them? 00:25:46.96\00:25:48.64 Well yeah, they want somebody to feed them, 00:25:48.67\00:25:50.54 and there is no such thing. 00:25:50.58\00:25:55.20 There is no such thing as repentance in my life 00:25:55.23\00:26:00.35 without Reformation, it just doesn't exist. 00:26:00.39\00:26:04.10 So the words again are going to trip us up. 00:26:04.13\00:26:07.81 What are you talking about? 00:26:07.85\00:26:08.85 Repentance is when I come to the Lord and I see, 00:26:08.88\00:26:11.37 it just becomes 00:26:11.40\00:26:12.86 crystal clear what I am. 00:26:12.89\00:26:14.73 I'm a liar. 00:26:14.76\00:26:16.05 I'm on Internet porn, I'm doing all that. 00:26:16.08\00:26:18.82 I see myself for what I am and I don't like it. 00:26:18.85\00:26:22.79 That is required or you will never change. 00:26:22.82\00:26:27.10 So I see myself as I am. 00:26:27.14\00:26:30.11 Don't protect yourself from that, don't shy away from that. 00:26:30.15\00:26:33.22 I need to come to the Lord just as I am and see myself. 00:26:33.25\00:26:36.29 But as in confession, confession comes in here, 00:26:36.33\00:26:40.56 what confession is what lance's the boil and let's all the 00:26:40.60\00:26:46.70 sin and all the infection and everything out because 00:26:46.73\00:26:51.44 that permits it to heal. 00:26:51.47\00:26:53.45 So that has to take place, but when that happens then 00:26:53.49\00:26:57.47 naturally there should be a change take place. 00:26:57.50\00:27:03.53 In other words I don't like what I was. 00:27:03.56\00:27:06.29 But some people want to stay there, you can't stay there. 00:27:06.32\00:27:10.65 C. 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Lewis wrote a thing that was amazing. 00:27:10.69\00:27:12.90 He said you can't take all luggage with you on every trip. 00:27:12.93\00:27:16.07 Even the smallest souvenir from hell will keep you out of 00:27:16.10\00:27:19.41 heaven, so what you are saying is you can't have things in 00:27:19.44\00:27:22.71 your pocket because those things will eventually 00:27:22.74\00:27:25.59 strengthen the old man and kill off the baby. 00:27:25.62\00:27:29.23 That's right, and as he said you can't take all 00:27:29.26\00:27:32.83 the luggage with you at one time. 00:27:32.86\00:27:35.06 In other words I might get rid of one thing at a ways down 00:27:35.10\00:27:39.13 the road I had to get rid of another. 00:27:39.17\00:27:40.37 As you continue to walk with Christ you'll find there are 00:27:40.40\00:27:44.82 things you have got to get rid of as you go along. 00:27:44.86\00:27:46.88 Not to earn heaven, I want to stress that. 00:27:46.92\00:27:50.55 So we have people at the Café who are going to want to ask 00:27:50.58\00:27:55.35 you questions, so I am going to open that up. 00:27:55.38\00:27:56.87 But we also have a third point, 00:27:56.91\00:27:58.57 the baby needs to eat, breath, and? 00:27:58.60\00:28:01.69 Exercise! Exercise. 00:28:01.72\00:28:03.27 Oh Man, okay so we are going to open it up for questions. 00:28:03.30\00:28:07.15 First Cassidy, you wanted to ask Ken a question. 00:28:07.19\00:28:11.94 Hi my name is Cassidy Bates and I am from Minnesota. 00:28:11.98\00:28:16.66 I'm in eighth grade, so friends are really important to me. 00:28:16.70\00:28:21.74 You said that the Bible is our food and I was wondering 00:28:21.77\00:28:26.78 what friends had to do your spiritual growth? 00:28:26.81\00:28:29.65 I mean because good friends pull you up and could bad 00:28:29.69\00:28:34.18 friends bring you down or could they help you? 00:28:34.21\00:28:37.32 I'm just kind of curious. 00:28:37.35\00:28:40.00 That of course is a very, very important question. 00:28:40.04\00:28:43.71 Friends are something that you have all your life, 00:28:43.75\00:28:47.39 or should have all your life. 00:28:47.42\00:28:48.70 To start out with Christ says He is our friend, 00:28:48.74\00:28:53.35 in fact it says that He is a friend that sticketh closer 00:28:53.38\00:28:57.54 then a brother, so first thing you need to do is to make 00:28:57.58\00:29:01.71 Him your friend, make sure that He is your friend. 00:29:01.74\00:29:06.54 Once you have done that, then you begin to take your 00:29:06.58\00:29:11.31 friends from those that you feel will be helpful in their 00:29:11.34\00:29:17.34 growth, and in their Christian life. 00:29:17.38\00:29:19.61 That doesn't mean Cassidy, that I need to limit my 00:29:19.64\00:29:22.80 friendship to only people that are Christian. 00:29:22.83\00:29:26.45 That is not what I am saying, but it means that I have to 00:29:26.49\00:29:31.67 be very, very close with my friendship with Jesus so that 00:29:31.71\00:29:36.91 my friendship with Him keeps me okay with friendship with others 00:29:36.94\00:29:42.23 who are not. 00:29:42.26\00:29:43.62 I have to jump in and say one thing about that. 00:29:43.66\00:29:46.19 Because of the analogy that Pastor Ken Cox had said, 00:29:46.22\00:29:50.94 about the baby or the old guy. 00:29:50.97\00:29:52.79 The old man! 00:29:52.82\00:29:54.25 Well how can you have an old man inside of you? 00:29:54.29\00:29:59.73 How about the flesh in you, or the baby, so your friends 00:29:59.76\00:30:04.19 are going to like the one or the other, 00:30:04.22\00:30:05.67 do you know what I mean? 00:30:05.71\00:30:06.71 So let's say my friends like the person inside me that is 00:30:06.74\00:30:10.13 conniving and manipulating. 00:30:10.17\00:30:12.45 I have a good sense of humor but it is a little bit on 00:30:12.48\00:30:15.63 the edge, they are going to like that friend or they are 00:30:15.66\00:30:18.78 going to like the baby. 00:30:18.81\00:30:20.08 Do you know what I mean? 00:30:20.12\00:30:21.32 So it depends on who they are coming to visit. 00:30:21.36\00:30:23.24 If they are coming to visit a part of you that is a 00:30:23.28\00:30:26.03 Christian, then that friend is always going to be 00:30:26.07\00:30:28.79 incredible to you. 00:30:28.83\00:30:29.81 If they're going to come to visit the old guy, 00:30:29.85\00:30:31.60 or the old man or the flesh than those friends are always 00:30:31.64\00:30:34.59 going to be looking for you to do something edgy. 00:30:34.62\00:30:37.79 So what will grow is what they are attracted to. 00:30:37.83\00:30:40.97 If I have bad friends or non-Christian friends will I be 00:30:43.88\00:30:49.67 able to bring them closer to God or will they lead me away? 00:30:49.71\00:30:55.46 Well you should lead them closer to God. 00:30:55.50\00:31:02.04 In other words you should share with them the good things 00:31:02.07\00:31:07.64 and right things and I should not permit the things that are 00:31:07.67\00:31:13.01 bad to pull me their direction, but remember God has called you. 00:31:13.04\00:31:18.35 We are going to be talking about exercise. 00:31:18.38\00:31:20.89 The way you exercise, in a Christian life, 00:31:20.92\00:31:23.40 is by witnessing. 00:31:23.43\00:31:25.33 So you are to be a witness to them. 00:31:25.36\00:31:27.96 You are to show them what a life in Christ is like. 00:31:28.00\00:31:32.55 So you need to help them. 00:31:32.58\00:31:35.97 Let me put it this way. 00:31:36.01\00:31:39.33 You know exercise was the third thing you were talking 00:31:39.37\00:31:42.91 about, the baby needs exercise. 00:31:42.94\00:31:44.68 The baby needs exercise, there has got to be exercise. 00:31:44.71\00:31:46.91 Remember that the Lord calls each of us to serve. 00:31:46.94\00:31:52.81 I must minister to you, or a must minister to the people 00:31:52.85\00:31:57.48 that are around me. 00:31:57.52\00:31:58.56 If I don't minister to you, or to other people, 00:31:58.59\00:32:03.79 then I manipulate, you see? 00:32:03.82\00:32:07.10 That is where that comes in, if I am not serving then I 00:32:07.14\00:32:11.09 have a tendency to manipulate. 00:32:11.13\00:32:13.08 When you start manipulating other people, 00:32:13.11\00:32:16.38 you are in trouble. 00:32:16.41\00:32:17.54 So what is interesting to me is that, 00:32:19.62\00:32:21.18 like any 12 step program. 00:32:21.21\00:32:22.83 In a 12 step programs, or the last part of the journey, 00:32:22.86\00:32:27.55 on your 12 step program, or the step 12, is to take what 00:32:27.58\00:32:32.24 you learn and go teach someone else. 00:32:32.28\00:32:34.54 So that is the part of the exercise. 00:32:34.57\00:32:36.85 Most people in recovery understand that. 00:32:36.89\00:32:39.10 If I don't give back, if I don't live out what I have 00:32:39.13\00:32:42.83 learned, if I don't share it is going to die within me. 00:32:42.87\00:32:46.09 It is really tough, and I love your question Cassidy, 00:32:46.13\00:32:49.84 it is really tough to have friends that if the part of my 00:32:49.87\00:32:53.55 growth is that I have to share what I learned. 00:32:53.59\00:32:55.92 I have to share my new life. 00:32:55.96\00:32:57.30 I have to share the fact that it is so exciting 00:32:57.33\00:32:59.63 not to have to lie. 00:32:59.67\00:33:00.84 To fill up and being taught by God who I am creatively. 00:33:00.87\00:33:04.20 If I can't share that with you because you are not that 00:33:04.24\00:33:07.53 kind of friend, then that part of me is 00:33:07.56\00:33:09.48 going to slowly die away. 00:33:09.52\00:33:11.05 So either I'm going to continue to grow with the people 00:33:11.08\00:33:13.95 in my life, or I'm going to have a part of me die with 00:33:13.98\00:33:16.82 the people in my life. 00:33:16.85\00:33:17.97 So I think that I love her question that friendships 00:33:18.01\00:33:20.07 are important. 00:33:20.11\00:33:21.77 When I stopped doing heroine, it was really interesting, 00:33:21.81\00:33:24.35 I was a good heroine addict. 00:33:24.39\00:33:26.60 I'm telling you, I was good on the streets. 00:33:26.63\00:33:29.93 I survived for 10 years, from 13 years old on. 00:33:29.97\00:33:33.23 So I learned to actually do all that, 00:33:33.27\00:33:35.30 but when I became a Christian, none of the friends 00:33:35.33\00:33:38.31 I had really enjoyed that part of me. 00:33:38.34\00:33:41.02 What do you mean you're trying to be honest? 00:33:41.06\00:33:43.53 What's up with that? 00:33:43.57\00:33:45.15 How can you manipulate with that? 00:33:45.19\00:33:47.16 Then they learn how to do that, that's a good gig. 00:33:47.20\00:33:49.80 I'm not doing it to manipulate, I'm doing it because 00:33:49.84\00:33:52.40 I think it's the right thing. 00:33:52.44\00:33:53.70 Or I'm not going to steal anymore. 00:33:53.74\00:33:55.15 I do not want to manipulate anymore. 00:33:55.19\00:33:56.56 I don't want to do that stuff. 00:33:56.60\00:33:58.13 Some friends will back away just because of your choices. 00:33:58.16\00:34:01.31 Just simply if a friend brings you flowers, 00:34:01.35\00:34:04.26 are they bringing you flowers because they are being nice? 00:34:04.30\00:34:11.11 Because they want to be nice to you? 00:34:11.15\00:34:14.14 Or are they bringing flowers to you so they can get 00:34:14.17\00:34:16.98 some thing from you? 00:34:17.02\00:34:18.23 It makes a great, great difference why they are bringing 00:34:18.27\00:34:21.80 you flowers you see. 00:34:21.83\00:34:23.41 Or why you are bringing flowers to them. 00:34:24.20\00:34:26.35 So friends are important. 00:34:26.39\00:34:27.80 I know we had other questions in the room. 00:34:27.83\00:34:30.00 Daphne I know you had a question. 00:34:30.03\00:34:31.30 Yes sir first I want to introduce myself. 00:34:31.33\00:34:34.19 My name is Daphne Brown and I'm from Fort Lauderdale 00:34:34.22\00:34:37.94 in Florida. We met in Florida? Yes! 00:34:37.98\00:34:40.05 It was a cruise last year, however I like the way 00:34:40.09\00:34:44.53 Pastor Cox put on the subject about growing in the word. 00:34:44.56\00:34:50.03 You know from a child I know about that. 00:34:50.06\00:34:53.39 But it says as a newborn babe is they are sincere 00:34:53.43\00:34:57.04 in the milk of the word. 00:34:57.07\00:34:58.41 No, it was reference to people who are just 00:34:58.45\00:35:01.68 converted to the church. 00:35:01.72\00:35:03.52 As adults, people who are in the church for a long time, 00:35:03.55\00:35:07.28 do they really need the word to grow by? 00:35:07.32\00:35:12.28 Absolutely! It is required of all of us. 00:35:12.31\00:35:17.23 I must spend time in the word. 00:35:17.27\00:35:20.09 It says Faith cometh by hearing 00:35:20.12\00:35:23.01 and hearing by the word of God. 00:35:23.04\00:35:25.85 In the Christian life everything operates by faith, 00:35:25.89\00:35:30.62 everything and therefore I read as an adult I read the 00:35:30.65\00:35:34.79 word of God because that builds faith, in my experience 00:35:34.83\00:35:38.93 it helps me grow. 00:35:38.97\00:35:41.14 So I have to spend time in God's Word. 00:35:41.17\00:35:44.68 I don't know how it is with other people but I am always 00:35:44.71\00:35:48.54 seeing and finding something I didn't know before. 00:35:48.58\00:35:52.94 I am reading it and I may have read that text a half 00:35:52.98\00:35:56.49 a dozen times before and all of a sudden I read it and 00:35:56.52\00:36:00.00 say, oh that's what that's talking about. 00:36:00.03\00:36:03.56 That wasn't because I just got smart all of a sudden, 00:36:03.59\00:36:06.22 that is because the Holy Spirit opened it up 00:36:06.26\00:36:08.80 and revealed to me. 00:36:08.84\00:36:10.61 You have to talk about going back to the newborn baby. 00:36:10.65\00:36:14.03 I have this baby that is growing and the bones are 00:36:14.06\00:36:17.12 developing, the nerves are developing, the brain is 00:36:17.15\00:36:19.94 developing, but there is not a point that I think, 00:36:19.97\00:36:22.39 okay you are 12 now, you never have to eat again. 00:36:22.42\00:36:24.76 It's like you can stop eating now, so that is a huge thing. 00:36:24.80\00:36:29.52 We have time for one more question. 00:36:29.56\00:36:32.39 I'm sorry. 00:36:32.43\00:36:33.57 As he said about faith, I remember the Baptist say if you 00:36:33.61\00:36:37.57 have the faith of a mustard seed you can say to the mountain 00:36:37.60\00:36:41.53 many of us have mountains in our lives. 00:36:41.56\00:36:43.67 I can draw from that faith when my daughter met the accident 00:36:43.71\00:36:48.47 because that is why I am here today. 00:36:48.50\00:36:50.52 I was going down to the hospital and my church sister, 00:36:50.55\00:36:54.72 Sister Maurice was sitting beside me. 00:36:54.75\00:36:56.69 I looked across at her and said, you know Sister Maurice 00:36:56.72\00:37:00.58 if I go to the hospital and my daughter is still alive 00:37:00.61\00:37:04.44 she is not going to die. 00:37:04.47\00:37:05.92 Amen! Amen! and that's the faith that brought her through. 00:37:05.95\00:37:09.75 So we also have to have faith and exercise, 00:37:09.78\00:37:13.76 not just to love it but exercised it. 00:37:13.80\00:37:15.82 I love that because what you are saying is that if 00:37:15.85\00:37:19.57 I didn't know that was in the word of God. 00:37:19.61\00:37:21.31 If I didn't know what God encouraged me to do that, 00:37:21.34\00:37:24.20 would I have known to hold on to that at that time? 00:37:24.24\00:37:27.06 Because during the time of an accident, 00:37:27.10\00:37:28.85 when you are looking at somebody's life or death, 00:37:28.89\00:37:31.46 if it is not in there, How can I hold on to it? 00:37:31.49\00:37:34.03 How can I pull any strength from it? 00:37:34.06\00:37:35.85 It comes by the word. 00:37:35.88\00:37:38.69 Joe you had a question. 00:37:38.73\00:37:41.47 Pastor Cox, Cheri had said that she was in the bathroom 00:37:41.51\00:37:46.36 about to kill herself, 00:37:46.39\00:37:47.95 and when she received that baby, that gift, 00:37:47.99\00:37:53.25 you said that we can't birth that baby our self. 00:37:53.29\00:37:58.39 How does someone who is about to kill them self even 00:37:58.42\00:38:03.49 desire it, or ask for it, What is it? 00:38:03.53\00:38:08.01 There are two factors to come to play here. 00:38:08.04\00:38:10.61 It says that Christ is the light that lighteth every man 00:38:10.65\00:38:13.04 that cometh into the world. 00:38:13.07\00:38:14.36 So Christ is continually working with every person. 00:38:14.39\00:38:17.85 Secondly, the Holy Spirit is also there as it convicts 00:38:17.89\00:38:21.31 the world of sin, of righteousness, of judgment, 00:38:21.35\00:38:23.98 and so God wanted to save her. 00:38:24.02\00:38:26.26 He's going to do everything He can to her to try to get 00:38:26.30\00:38:32.01 that to take place. 00:38:32.04\00:38:33.28 I love that because at the moment, I'm in a drug house 00:38:33.31\00:38:36.81 trying to kill myself, I meet God and I get all that. 00:38:36.84\00:38:40.27 As I walked in my new life, and as I understand who God is, 00:38:40.31\00:38:45.90 I start seeing Him even when I was a little girl. 00:38:45.94\00:38:49.33 Throughout my life I get the sense of, He was always there. 00:38:49.36\00:38:53.30 When I ask Him that sometimes in devotions, 00:38:53.34\00:38:55.61 Were you always there? He said absolutely, 00:38:55.64\00:38:57.87 I'm always there. 00:38:57.91\00:38:58.99 For each one of us that's true. 00:38:59.03\00:39:00.68 So the new life, the gift that He gives us is waiting 00:39:00.71\00:39:04.13 for us, individually, Eh? 00:39:04.16\00:39:06.69 Absolutely, the new life, totally and completely from that 00:39:06.72\00:39:11.65 point on, like you never known 00:39:11.68\00:39:13.13 or ever dreamed of 00:39:13.16\00:39:14.93 begins to take place. 00:39:14.97\00:39:16.67 If I stumble all of heaven says stand up. 00:39:16.71\00:39:19.24 Like the angel who stands around says that person is 00:39:19.28\00:39:21.70 going to fall a lot and I need to be there and encourage 00:39:21.74\00:39:24.65 them to stand back up. 00:39:24.68\00:39:25.87 Just like a baby you do not learn to walk right away. 00:39:25.91\00:39:28.27 You do not learn how to run right away 00:39:28.31\00:39:30.02 or any of that stuff. 00:39:30.05\00:39:31.11 You are just like a baby, pick them up, pick them up, 00:39:31.14\00:39:33.60 pick them up, that is the same thing you need to do to 00:39:33.64\00:39:36.06 someone who is a new babe in Christ. 00:39:36.10\00:39:37.97 If they fall you need to pick them up. 00:39:38.00\00:39:39.84 Anybody in recovery. Absolutely! 00:39:39.87\00:39:42.93 I wanted to say Ken I am delighted that you have 00:39:42.96\00:39:45.94 been on the program with us. 00:39:45.98\00:39:47.14 Well it has been a pleasure. 00:39:47.17\00:39:48.26 I love what you have to share and I have to say as we say 00:39:48.30\00:39:52.06 goodbye, to you a have to say if anybody is interested 00:39:52.10\00:39:55.82 in this teaching you have a whole series on this. 00:39:55.86\00:39:58.65 Yes! What is the name of that series? 00:39:58.69\00:40:00.54 It's called "Salvation". 00:40:00.58\00:40:02.00 It's amazing. 00:40:02.03\00:40:03.37 We are going to be right back so stay with us. 00:40:03.41\00:40:06.06 I'm hoping you are hearing the whole feel of this is that 00:40:06.09\00:40:10.09 we are saying out loud that there is a part of you that 00:40:10.12\00:40:14.08 will fill still very much alive. 00:40:14.12\00:40:15.66 You turn yourself over to Christ, you turn yourself over 00:40:15.70\00:40:18.12 to recovery and everything is new you will be excited. 00:40:18.15\00:40:21.03 That is all amazing, and there is a part of you that is 00:40:21.06\00:40:24.19 going to try to kick the baby, don't let it happen. 00:40:24.23\00:40:27.32 Okay we will be right back. 00:40:27.36\00:40:28.35 Stay with us! 00:40:28.38\00:40:29.35