Welcome back, now I
want to introduce you to the
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rest of the family.
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So Joel thank you for joining us
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all the program.
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Thank you for having me.
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I can't wait to hear
everything that you have to say
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about these changes that
were made and all that stuff.
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First of all I
want to talk with Ian.
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Ian I love you, you
know that don't you?
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Yeah.
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So I'm going to ask you,
one of the first things that
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you shared with
me, well two things.
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What you wanted to
do when you grew up and
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also about your garden.
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So I would like to know
both those things and you can
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start where every you want.
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First say what your
name is in how old you are.
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Hi I'm Ian and I am
7 and like doing stuff
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like cars and working on stuff.
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Okay so cars and
working on stuff.
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You tell me that you
wanted to be a missionary.
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Okay, so tell me again.
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Um, I want to be a
missionary pilot when I grow up.
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You know what I
loved about that?
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What?
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Because when you said a
missionary pilot, I was like
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shut up, a missionary
pilot where you are actually
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going to fly different places.
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What was really cool
to me, is that you are 7.
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You really do have a
heart for God, which is cool.
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So when I got home and
left your place and right before
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I left your place, your
uncle invited me to his place.
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He has planes everywhere.
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He has remote
control stuff everywhere.
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Tell me a little
bit about your uncle.
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Well he is interested in planes.
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Trains -
everything - everything.
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Anything that has, he
just builds stuff, right?
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No, he bought stuff.
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He buys it and puts it together.
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Doesn't he built his
own remote control planes?
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Yeah - cool.
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So he showed me that, so
I went home and ordered you
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a plane because I thought,
you know what God I want
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to give him his first
plane if he is going to be
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a missionary pilot.
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How long did it take
to get to your house?
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About... - months!
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It took for ever, I
kept calling the people,
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did you say Ian's plane yet?
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It took them for ever,
but you finally got it.
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Had to get put together yet?
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No.
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Not until spring?
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Yep.
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Cool, I want to fly it
out when you get put together,
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I want to fly out.
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So a missionary pilot
and you also have a garden.
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Tell us a little
bit about your garden.
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Well it has little poles
sticking up in one pole on
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the top end and
it goes down again.
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So it is a raised
garden, has a box.
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Yeah and then I have my
own little garden that is about
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from that table to this
table to that table and back.
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Good, so you put
whatever you want in there?
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Yep.
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You have your
rows the vegetables?
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Yeah, and I
actually got a melon from it.
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That is cool, I have a picture
of you with the zucchini about..
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oh yeah, I remember that.
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It was huge, you
walked in and I thought it was
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bigger than you.
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That is so funny.
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We still have the picture.
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You do? That is cool.
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So what is really funny
to me, is when your mom talks
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about how she is trying
to make the house a better
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house to live in.
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Do you like the
way she does that?
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That's way cool.
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Okay I'm going to let
you go play, because I know
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you have been dying to go play.
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So why don't you take
off and go play and I'm going
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to talk with your dad.
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Okay, bye!
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Bye thanks!
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You're welcome.
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That was fun, what is
really fun to me even with Ian,
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I know that you have
gardens for all the kids.
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The household is organized and
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you have the control manual.
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It wasn't always like
that, so tell us from your take
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what was the change?
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Well I know once Melissa
did get into Fly Ladies stuff,
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we were like I say,
it was the dark days.
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We had a kind of
come into the house and
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it was like a dungeon.
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I would almost, some days,
feel like I didn't want to go
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home from work because I
knew that there was going to be
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laundry to do, just to try
and help her and take care of
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the kids and all these things.
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It really got to a depressing
point I think for all of
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us in the family, it was
just really a dark, dark time.
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But as she got into
it, I was pretty skeptical.
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I figured we just something
for her to not do laundry.
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Now she's just going to
be looking at these e-mails
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in writing out these
lists and all these things.
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Nothing was going to get
done, I was pretty cynical
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about it or skeptical.
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Probably both!
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Yeah, yeah
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because it's huge changes
which is really interesting
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when you talk about all
these e-mails, when you ask
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for help, and it is an
Internet Ministry, is I was
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surprised I probably
got 20 e-mails in a day.
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Did you get your shoes on?
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Did you get your laundry in yet?
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Finally I am thinking,
stop sending me e-mails because
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no the laundry is not in yet.
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And my shoes are not on.
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But you do, you get
reminders throughout the day.
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So all that is changing
and you are not sure it is
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going to be an actual change?
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Yeah, and especially when
I saw the dishes out of the
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sink and on the counter.
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I was like at least if
they are in the sink we don't
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see them on the counter.
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But after a little while
she stuck with it and didn't
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give into my telling
her it was not a good idea.
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Let's just buckle down
and get this stuff done.
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She just kept to the
routine, and kept working on it.
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I would start to see
little things, like the counter
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would start to be clean.
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Then the rack above
the washer and dryer,
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there was actual soap
and things sitting up there
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where it all belonged.
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Just little things here
and there started to really
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make an impact.
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All of a sudden it just was
a gradual thing but it seemed
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like all the sudden overnight.
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And the clutter all of a
sudden starts to be gone!
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And what is really interesting
to me, and I know Melissa
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you guys have felt it is
that as that stuff starts to
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change in your home, you start
to let your shoulders down.
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It starts to be where
you want to come home.
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Even though it seems weird
for me, and I thought about
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doing this program on Fly
Lady, or cleaning the house or
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whatever, I thought is anybody
going to want to watch it?
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Then I thought it's
the secret to recovery.
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We think recovery is
about learning about our molest
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issues, or what started us
to be so angry or whatever.
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But really recovery is to
put one foot in front of the
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other and do the
right thing today.
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Sometimes the right thing
is just cleaning the sink.
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You are saying, you
felt the difference?
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Oh yeah, you are
just more relaxed.
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Just when you do not
have all that stuff around,
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you do not have these big
jobs just looming over you
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that steps behind all the time.
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You are able to start
enjoy just hanging out.
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Getting the garden going?
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You can sit on the
couch and now look at,
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be looking into
the kitchen and saying,
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man, there's a lot of
dishes in there, or whatever!
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You can spend time as a
family and do other things
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and not feel guilty
about doing other stuff because
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you have things that
you need to have done.
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When I think of the woman,
there is just something about
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whenever our house is
dirty we just feel drained.
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Like it is always on our
shoulders, like a weight on
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us exactly and we cannot
concentrate on much else fully.
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So to be able to
have those things done
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is just so freeing.
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What is really
interesting, we say as a woman,
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as soon as you start to take
care of your home in this way,
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everybody else pitches in.
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The kids have their
own gig that they do,
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they all have jobs.
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Joe I am sure that when
it is not so overwhelming,
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you were helping
when it was overwhelming,
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but it is easier when
things are in control.
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Your house is beautiful.
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Thank you!
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Your walkway, even I see
that you have this walkway you
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are working on, and
the gardens for the kids.
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So for me to come into
your home, it is not like when
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you were a kid and
couldn't have people over.
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People can come in to
your house anytime and feel
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at peace and welcomed.
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Well thank you, and that
is one of the reasons why I
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personally like this so
much, it is because I can
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minister to other people.
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People can come over and
when we first built our home,
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We want this to be a
place where people can come
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and get to know Jesus.
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I am so thankful that
he is able to use our home.
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What is really fun is
that it is a place like that,
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so you guys by doing
these baby steps you've allowed
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God to come in and change.
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I want to go ahead and
meet the rest of the family.
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I'm going to ask him some
questions and in I want to
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get away from what
this is done as far as
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to de-clutter the house.
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How this has worked
in your spiritual life?
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And who you are.
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Because I know that that is
really where the wash rag hits
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the sink, where the rubber
hits the road or what ever.
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I was trying to keep the sink
thing going, but I couldn't.
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It's kind of lame, but I tried.
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I want to introduce you
to the rest of the family,
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I want to hear their take
on it and then I want to get
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back to you on how this
is been in a spiritual way.
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So the first person I would
like to talk with is Cassidy.
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Cassidy I know there has
been a lot changes that you have
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seen that maybe some of
the younger kids have not seen.
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So we are going
to talk about that.
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So Cassidy tell us a
little bit about yourself and
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what your take is on everything
that your mom was saying?
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Well I did notice that
our house was really cluttery.
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I think our school
room was really the worst.
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That is where we spent
most of our day and it was just
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absolutely disastrous because
we had all our school stuff
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all over the place.
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We had one
cabinet where we went.
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You are home schooled?
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Yes so it was like hard to
do school and we would get so
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frustrated, but then
mom started to the Fly Lady.
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She bought these little
boxes where we put our school
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blocks, and our math
books, and our pencils,
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and our erasers,
because you could not find
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an eraser in our house.
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So we started
organizing and it became really
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easy to do school.
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It was just amazing how
much closer we got as a family
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because when the house
is cluttered and a mess,
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we were always
mad at each other.
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Isn't it weird that, that
really makes a difference?
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It's like you do get
frustrated with everybody.
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People are on edge
and I don't even think
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you know why, really.
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No you don't, it is
just like you are blaming
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everybody else
because you're in a bad mood.
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Because I can't find an eraser.
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Yeah, I can't find an
eraser anywhere and you can't
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find anything and so you
are yelling at everybody else.
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Like, where is this?
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It is frustrating but then
mom started to do the Fly Lady
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thing and it just
opened up like the walls we had
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between us came off
one brick at a time.
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We became closer to each other.
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We could talk to each other.
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My mom's new saying is
that your family should be
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your main circle of friends.
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So you should be closer
to your family than you're
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outside friends.
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Is just amazing how it
has impacted us as a family.
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We can do a lot more stuff.
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Like now I can have friends
over and spend the night.
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That is really fun.
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Because you are not so crazy.
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Yeah it's not!
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It's not so dark you
feel like you have to hide the
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laundry if your friends
come over, or cleaned up by
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putting things under the bed.
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Yeah.
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What is really amazing
to me is their stuff shoved
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under your bed now?
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Ahhh, No!
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I know I was taken a
risk asking that question.
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You was going, oh man...
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But even those things change
a little bit, which causes peace
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to come into the
relationship in the house.
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Yeah and I can, my mom
with the Fly Lady thing is
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she is teaching us
kids how to clean our rooms.
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When you wake up you get
out of bed, you make your bed.
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Right when you get out
because if it is not made when
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you are by it, it is
not going to get done.
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Is it more than just
making your bed, do you think?
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I mean does it mean
more than just that?
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I think it is nice to be
able to, I think it means a lot
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to me because I feel like
I doing something to help me
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and my family.
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I don't know if this
sounds weird or anything,
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but you feel almost like
you are doing it for God,
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as a love for God.
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You can come into your
room and read your Bible and do
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stuff and there's not
clothes everywhere, trashed up.
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It is not like that, you
can come in and relax and talk
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to God in peace and
hear Him talk to you.
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I have noticed because we
do not have so much clutter
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and do not have the walls
between us, we can talk to God
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better as a family
and personally too.
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I love that, I love the
fact that everything about what
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is happening in your
home is allowing you peace
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and relationships to get
better and all those things.
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I have a feeling that we
think the simple part of just
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cleaning house, just doing
the right thing day by day has
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nothing to do with
anything but whether
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the laundry is done.
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I believe what God is
telling me is that it has
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something to do with everything.
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How your family
interacts with each other,
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how you interact with the world.
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I love the way
you said that Cassidy.
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I want to
introduce you now to Ella.
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Ella you are the
youngest girl, right?
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So you did not see how bad
it was with all the clutter
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was because you came later.
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Do you have any sense of
how bad it was or has always
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been together and
clean and organized?
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Yeah kind of.
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So what is your take on it?
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When you hear everybody talking,
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what do you feel about that?
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Not sure?
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What are you learning,
because I know you have a
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morning routine that you do.
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Tell us a little bit
about the morning routine and
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was it hard for you to start?
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Yeah.
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Okay, what is
actually involved in that?
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Well I had to make my
bed and clean my room.
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Then to clean off the
counter and the table.
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I had to brush my
teeth and my hair.
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Then we did our worship.
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That is all the part
of the morning routine?
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And no matter what
happens, whether the sun is up
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or down, or what ever
the morning routine happens?
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I love that, I don't
know if you love that yet?
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But I love that.
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Okay I'm going to
talk with your dad.
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Your dad and mom.
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So I am looking at this
family at different levels
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so I have an awareness
up with the changes are.
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All the way to Ella
who says I have no idea.
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Now you have a new
baby that is six months old.
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He will never know the
difference, he will never know
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those dark days that
Joe, you talked about.
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His life is going to be
this family that loves each
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other and are best friends.
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Each of the kids
have their own garden.
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You are outside doing things.
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People can come into your home.
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Now I want to come back to
the point that I do not want
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anyone to think that this
show is about cleaning house.
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It really isn't.
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What has it done in
your personal lives,
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your relationship with
each other, and your healing,
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to clean your sink?
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Well for me it has created
a bond with me and Melissa.
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I have been able to see
her overcome something that she
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was having trouble with and
it also helped me to see how
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I could be helping her more.
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It gave me a direction to
just be that part of her and
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support her when she sees
something in her life that needs
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to change, instead of me
just being no you can't do it.
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And being down on her.
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To see how she has actually
grown through that just helps,
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it helps me to be able to
stand by her a little bit more
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and support her and help
her in the things that she is
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trying to do in her life.
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Has it anyway Joe,
because you know I adore you,
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I adore you.
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From the moment we met
at a, I was a speaker at a
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Men's Retreat,
that cracked me up.
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But we met there and
I adored you then before
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I met your family.
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Has it helped you to understand
who you are as a father?
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As it helped you to be in
that role, I don't know if
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I can say more honestly,
were you more sincerely want
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to be a good dad?
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Oh definitely, it is just
like with her she wants to be
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more of a housekeeper, be
more of a full woman for our
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family and she has taught
me through what she is doing
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to be a man.
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If I see something that
needs to be done, to do it.
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Whether it be helping the
kids with their schoolwork, or
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cleaning, or if something
happens between their friends.
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Doing worship?
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Yeah especially with worship,
that it's a big one because
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I have been so inconsistent
as the father of the House.
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Having a consistent worship,
it has helped to bring me to
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the point where I can do
this and find tools around me to
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be able to use
to keep my family.
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One thing I will rescue you
before we get any bad e-mails.
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Does anybody know
what I'm going to say now?
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Is that you said you were
going to help her to be a full
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woman and do the housekeeping.
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You did not mean just that?
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No!
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I just had to say that
because I have women saying,
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what did he mean by that?
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So he did not mean that?
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No, and I think for me,
it's been harder for me to be
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organized with my time.
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It was harder for me to
do that than it was for me
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to give up smoking.
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Isn't that funny?
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It is!
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God knows that that is my thing.
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That I need a little more time
with this, then I even needed
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with that, so for me I
know that God is a God of order.
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He is working on me to try
help me to be more orderly.
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I have been learning to
that a wise woman watches over
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her household and
is a good housekeeper.
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God is really
working on me for that.
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And a housekeeper
for somebody that has
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junk, that has injuries in
this area, housekeeper just
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means, keeper of the home.
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People delight to come
in your home and want to go
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into their own rooms.
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To feel their shoulders
come down, when they walk in
00:21:05.40\00:21:07.69
the house, because
it is not all cluttered.
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We as women or men have
the privilege of learning to
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heal in this area so that
our homes become sanctuaries.
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It's huge!
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I have just been read a
book that calls it a heart that
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weaves a tapestry of beauty.
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I really think
that is what it is.
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It is a heart that wants to make
home a beautiful place to be.
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If you've never had that,
God can heal every aspect of
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never having that as you
learn how to shine your sink.
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Right come because you know
in so many ways I am learning
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how to do things that
people take for granted.
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Explain that!
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Well most people know
how to keep their sink clean.
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Most people know how to
keep their bedroom picked up,
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and I don't, I didn't, I
didn't know how to do that.
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I just so want to
look right in the camera,
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she says most people, when
I walk around and deal with
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most people and they don't.
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We assumed they do, and we
assume only see somebody all
00:22:08.70\00:22:12.54
dressed up and sitting in
a public place, a church or
00:22:12.58\00:22:16.30
work or whatever, that
their home life is all together.
00:22:16.33\00:22:20.02
What I am finding out is
most of us are damaged in
00:22:20.06\00:22:23.02
that area, and it is
interesting to look at the
00:22:23.05\00:22:25.98
degrees of damage.
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God is saying, trust Me in this.
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When He told me to just
trust Me in this and do your
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laundry today, I was
just because I had baskets and
00:22:33.75\00:22:36.91
laundry and I'm
thinking I don't want to do it.
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What did I do wrong?
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He says, nothing.
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In the healing I am
learning how to deal with the
00:22:42.57\00:22:46.80
healing of my depression,
my anger, and all my junk.
00:22:46.84\00:22:51.04
He's just by doing
those baby steps of getting
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the house in order.
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So tell me some of the things
that you have learned as far as
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healing in this process.
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Well I guess I learned that
God wants us to be beautiful
00:23:00.64\00:23:10.18
examples of what He is.
00:23:10.22\00:23:12.82
He wants us to be able to
show people that it is possible
00:23:12.86\00:23:19.63
through Him to be able to
live a life that is, I know
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you hate the word, normal,
what we perceive as normal.
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Were we are able to do everyday
things and do them well.
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I love coming to your
house, like for the first eight
00:23:36.79\00:23:42.62
years of my
marriage, I don't think I put a
00:23:42.66\00:23:46.56
picture on the wall.
00:23:46.59\00:23:47.60
We had a ping pong
table in the living room,
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I like playing ping-pong.
00:23:49.41\00:23:50.51
Normal was really
tough for me to come in and
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just say, a couch
and a coffee table,
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like no way I'm
never going there.
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God is just let me
just take you there?
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When I came to you guys
house and you have the stones
00:24:00.57\00:24:04.14
and are getting ready to do the
new walkway up to your house.
00:24:04.17\00:24:07.04
Different plants that
were going in, I wanted to sit
00:24:07.08\00:24:09.87
down and just tear up a
little bit because that is so
00:24:09.90\00:24:13.75
much my heart's desire to
have that kind of cool thing.
00:24:13.79\00:24:17.61
You know what I'm talking about?
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Because you are doing it.
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Right, and actually with
that I had gone to a woman's
00:24:20.71\00:24:23.87
Bible study in one of
the things they had us do to
00:24:23.90\00:24:27.35
pick five things out of
different areas of our life
00:24:27.38\00:24:30.79
that we wanted to have.
00:24:30.83\00:24:32.10
One of the things on my
list was I wanted to have a
00:24:32.14\00:24:35.67
well-kept yard, because
that was one of the things
00:24:35.71\00:24:38.82
I was struggling with when
I was working on the house.
00:24:38.86\00:24:41.94
The yard was always a mess.
00:24:41.97\00:24:43.83
You know garbage, our dog
would get into the garbage
00:24:43.87\00:24:46.65
and it would be in the
yard for days or whatever.
00:24:46.68\00:24:50.61
That was one of the things
that God was working on me
00:24:50.65\00:24:53.78
that I needed to be able to
keep the yard clean now too.
00:24:53.82\00:24:56.92
It is just one
of those baby steps.
00:24:56.95\00:24:59.48
It is neat when you see people
come over and they walk in,
00:24:59.51\00:25:04.66
especially people that we
know, and they will be like to
00:25:04.70\00:25:08.12
them it feels like something
is missing in the house.
00:25:08.16\00:25:11.55
You know, where
is all the stuff?
00:25:11.58\00:25:12.86
But after they are they
are a little while and you get
00:25:12.89\00:25:16.32
to talk about it, and
Melissa will share some of the
00:25:16.36\00:25:19.76
things she has
been learning with them.
00:25:19.79\00:25:20.89
You can just see a relieved
look on their face saying,
00:25:20.93\00:25:25.85
maybe I don't need to
have all these things around me
00:25:25.89\00:25:30.85
all time and you do see
people actually relax and feel
00:25:30.89\00:25:35.81
comfortable
without having a million
00:25:35.85\00:25:39.50
things all around them.
00:25:39.53\00:25:41.63
The house looks nice.
00:25:41.67\00:25:43.70
So you immediately get
to minister to someone else.
00:25:43.73\00:25:48.06
You know they go
home and do their sink.
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Because I did, I left your
house, I did your sink first,
00:25:50.61\00:25:54.55
but when I left your
house, and what is really
00:25:54.58\00:25:56.68
interesting is that you
find the benefit of the blessing
00:25:56.72\00:25:59.38
of that and it really
does become your Ministry.
00:25:59.42\00:26:02.32
To give somebody
else the privilege of
00:26:02.35\00:26:04.74
de-cluttering their life.
00:26:04.77\00:26:06.17
So there's all kind of
stress management books,
00:26:06.21\00:26:11.30
all kinds of de-cluttering
books, there is all kinds
00:26:11.34\00:26:14.41
of stuff and we need to do
this in the spiritual sense.
00:26:14.45\00:26:17.49
Joe tell me if you seen
this, spiritual sense as I
00:26:17.52\00:26:20.77
de-clutter the table,
I literally am doing that
00:26:20.80\00:26:24.02
with my junk, my garbage.
00:26:24.05\00:26:26.86
You are able to learn
through the physical stuff to
00:26:26.89\00:26:31.03
be able to put things in
God's hands and just say,
00:26:31.07\00:26:35.18
You deal with this.
00:26:35.21\00:26:36.37
I do not need it and
maybe I do not know how to get
00:26:36.41\00:26:40.14
rid of it, but you just
take this from me and let me
00:26:40.17\00:26:43.87
be free from some of the stuff.
00:26:43.91\00:26:45.37
I'm free, I just want to
say thank you so much for
00:26:45.41\00:26:47.30
coming on the program.
00:26:47.34\00:26:48.45
I was just blessed.
00:26:48.48\00:26:49.52
I know it is not all about
housecleaning, but it is all
00:26:49.55\00:26:52.55
about doing baby steps.
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Next time I want to
hear your story Joe.
00:26:54.54\00:26:57.74
We are going to be
right back stay with us.
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I hope you were blessed.
00:27:00.96\00:27:02.27
I know I was blessed.
00:27:02.30\00:27:03.53
I'm going to go
and clean the sink.
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No I will be right back!
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