Hello we ended up breaking
at the end of the last segment
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with Amanda going back
to her seat, but she turned
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around and said something
that I thought was so profound
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that I wanted you to come
back and share it with us.
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You were talking about
what it was like to watch this
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family process their stuff.
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Go ahead and share that with us.
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They really showed me that
they really depended on God
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through the whole thing.
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Usually when I think, you
know when you lose that many
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people in one day you are
just so crushed, and I would
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think that there could be
suicide attempts and things
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like that, because it is
really hard to go through that.
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I was really shocked by it
because they really leaned on
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each other and they
were constantly praying
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with each other.
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They come together and
worshiped God, and they really
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were leaning on God
as well as each other.
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So wasn't just some that
they said they believed this
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they lived this -
yeah they lived it.
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And you saw this and it
was different than what you saw
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in your own family, and
that must've been so healing for
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you just watching it - yeah.
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Man, thank you for sharing
that with us I think that's
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huge, because I think a lot
of times people will say one
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thing but a tragedy hits and
we really find out who we are.
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If you are not really
believing this, it will take you
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down, but what this family
they believed, they believed it.
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Thank you for sharing that
I'm going to bring Monica up.
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Monica, you're listening
to, you heard everybody
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and their take on
it, you weren't there.
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So where were you when you
heard, this was your sister?
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Correct and my niece, we
were at home and got call from
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my nephew Mark, which
is Luke's older brother.
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Saying he is in Michigan,
and there has been a bad car
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accident and we don't
know what's going on pray.
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So we got in a circle, we
had some of our teens there.
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Beau, Wyatt and my children and
we got in a circle and prayed.
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My husband said you're going
down to Modesto for a trip.
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Just go and do it,
I'm sure they are fine.
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And when we got into cell range,
well, actually before cell range
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It was about a
forty minute drive.
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I heard God said to me
they're not going to make it.
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And I said God just
don't let them suffer.
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The wonderful thing about
the accident is, Cathy's neck
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was broken, so
she died immediately.
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So did Candace and
Katrina, we feel too...
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So no one really suffered!
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And that was really important
to me, I don't know why.
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It was so important that God
just decide to tell you before
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you got the final call, when
you got back into cell range.
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Right, I got into cell
range and my husband called.
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I was really close to
where Cathy and Mark lived in
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Waterford, California, and
he said they didn't make it.
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Amanda did, so I pulled
over, actually at their home
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some of the teens that
we were working with had to
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see me just cry.
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I don't feel like we lost
it, I called Markie, Markie's
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26 and we just cried together.
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Right, of course -
we just cried - right.
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The wonderful thing about
all this is that Luke actually
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forgiving the man, gave
us permission to handle this
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better than we would have.
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Because your first inclination
is not to forgive - who's
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to blame for this? - right.
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Exactly - I mean, who's, who
can I be upset with or whatever
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and with Luke
forgiving the man, and realizing
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it was just an accident.
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We had to process in our
minds, if God is in control
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than God could have stopped it.
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And to my mind immediately came
words from the Desire of Ages
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that say that if I knew
the end from the beginning,
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I would do this
exactly the same way.
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I mean, within hours of
the accident, so I said okay,
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this was a perfect day for Cathy
and Candace to die, and Katrina.
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And that sounds hard to
say, but it actually gave me
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peace - right -
because it was perfect.
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When Mark flew in,
tell us about that.
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Wonderful men
from his men's group
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met him from Turlock church.
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The boys were all there,
Amanda was there and they had a
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big prayer there in a
big hug at the airport.
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Mark made the comment Satan
chose to destroy our family,
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but he messed
with the wrong family.
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And that just empowered
us - everyone - yes, everyone
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my parents, my
sister's, my other sisters,
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all of us felt empowered.
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They met us at our
house, our family gathered, our
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extended family, - your
church family - yeah and our
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pastor and his
wife, everybody came.
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Then they told us the
story, and we grieved together.
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If got to say for a lot of
people, what they're thinking
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is if this family
ever grieve, absolutely.
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So you didn't miss those
steps actually you didn't do
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whatever but you just said
that during that time we were
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so settled and assured of
God's love and His presence
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with us that we
clung to each other.
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Yes, in fact music was one of
our family is a singing family.
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My sister was going out
to sing a song with Mark when
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they got to Michigan, and
it was a song Markie, We Don't
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Know Which Way the Wind Blows,
by the second chapter of Acts.
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All of us has sung that
since we were young, we played
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that song and all of us
cried - what were some of the
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words you sang.
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Um, we don't know which
way the wind blows, so how can
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we plan tomorrow?
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We don't know the
way the wind blows,
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so give Jesus your tomorrows.
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Right - and we just all,
extended family, my kids, guitar
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teacher, he's like, how can
you guys be dealing with this?
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Not a Christian comes
over, just so we can all
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grieve and cry together.
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It was the most profound
day of my life, because I
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realize that no matter
what Satan put up against us,
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we were in this together.
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You know you love your
friends, but your family
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- is your family - yeah.
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It doesn't matter how
dysfunctional they are,
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how maybe you don't all get
along way in you're in a room,
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but when things like that happen
God knits you all together.
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And what is really interesting
to me is that people that
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were around you and loved
you, you were ministering to,
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watched almost in
awe as you lived out
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what you are teaching them.
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Not that you met them, so we're
going to do this so that they
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got the right message, you
lived it out because this is
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what God had led you
during that time of grief.
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Because, again I go back
to each one of us, was having
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our own individual walk.
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So when this happened, we
all had like scriptures that
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we clung to and definitely
the word of God was totally
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our shield in
this attack. - Amen!
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You know I'm going to ask
a couple questions and then I
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want to bring up a couple
more people just for us to meet.
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But your relationship with
God radically changed at this
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time - oh yeah!
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Oh yeah, because all
ties were cut to this world.
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When Cathy, Candace and
Katrina, actually, we realized
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they were all firstborn women.
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Our firstborn, women,
Cathy was the oldest sister.
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Candace was the
oldest of her family,
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and Katrina would be the oldest,
and we realized that they
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were all God's, God always has
a special place for firstborns.
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And so we realized
that this was okay, and we
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were going to do this, and
if God was in control, we were
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going to go with this.
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With our ties to this world,
this world didn't matter anymore
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The don't care about my car,
and I don't care about my house,
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I just miss my sister,
- right - and my niece.
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And so - and your going
to see them again - right!
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So, we have got to hurry this
return of God, what can we do
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to change this point 9 billion
people who don't know about God.
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I thought, like we were
close to everybody knowing, and
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then I find out, part of
it was from David Asscherick,
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something that I heard
from him, that there were more
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people that didn't know.
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So we're like Heh, it's like
no bars hold, we're going out.
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Right, and when you say
that, what's really interesting
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to me with everybody Mark,
Luke, with all of you guys is
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that when you say that
you literally went out.
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Left this country went to
minister in another country,
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not saying that you left the
kids that you were working with,
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because they
went with you - yeah.
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We went to Ghana - actually
Mark planned all that and
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AHI-Adventist Health
International asked us to go to
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Ethiopia in October.
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We are going for a year to
Gimbi and we are really excited
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about doing some Vacation
Bible schools over there.
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I watched you loving on
these kids in another country,
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in Ghana - and I watch
the kids just full of joy,
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learning some songs,
singing with you, dancing.
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You know, it was just what
did that feel like, because
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literally what the Devil meant
for a tragedy changed everything
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It did, he really did
mess with the wrong family.
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And I feel really bad
for him actually right now,
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because we are just so on fire.
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We realize the unity
that we need to pull together,
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we are now a team.
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There is about 10 of us,
but were adding other people
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14, 15 maybe by the
time we get to Ethiopia.
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We have prayers just for
our group, we call ourselves
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Here For Them!
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We have a
website HereforThem. com
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and we just want to actually
be the catalyst to encourage
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other teens to
find out what is real.
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Because teenagers nowadays
they don't want to know about
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religion, they know enough
about religion they want, is
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it real or not?
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Is it really going to
happen, is God something you're
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really going to hold on
to, or are you just going to go
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- and is this relational,
and is this something that
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will hold you through
even something like this.
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I want to talk with Stevie,
and thank you for sharing, man.
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Stevie, come on up I want
to just ask you a couple of
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things because I'm looking
at all these different folks
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that have been
through this accident.
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You literally are
coming, did you come
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onto the scene after this?
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I've kind of always been
around - right - more or less
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I have been around.
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I wasn't there when they
heard about the accident, but I
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came the next week end - right.
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And they were pretty emotional
about it and I was there,
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like after that point.
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What you do think about
the way they were, the way
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they handled themselves
in kind of huddled together?
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They really helped me in
my life, because I saw that
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they as a family
they could pull together.
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Actually it was really
amazing to see and I think they
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helped a lot more
people by showing that
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they could be strong.
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Because you are in
the youth group, right?
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They love on you, whether
you want it or not, right,
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isn't it true - yeah.
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Whether you wanted or
not, you have been accepted by
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this group that said,
you know what, what ever.
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We love you and we know you
have stuff, but come join us.
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Tell me a little bit about
them that I don't know yet.
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Nice - um - and be nice.
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Do you go to
church with them - yeah.
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I go to church with them, I
hang out with them a lot, I go
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to their youth group,
there's really not much to tell
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what you see is what you get.
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Like they do have family
problems but they are still
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happy - do they deal with
them - yeah they deal with
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them and they're generally
happy about it afterwards.
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How cool is that - it's
actually really cool because my
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family is really loud and they
are just like oh no, it's okay.
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I really do like you
right now but it's going to go.
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It's actually real nice
it's comforting to see that
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families can function normally
- normal families that's fun.
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Thank you for coming up.
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I would like to bring
Stephanie up, Stephanie I know
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that I know you and you have
dealt with loss in your life.
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With your mom and her cancer,
and now you are literally
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adopted into this family
and they are struggling with
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that, so is that with
you, because you weren't
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at the accident?
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But you are in this family.
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Yes for me I guess I say
when my mom died I was actually
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more moved into the Barlow's,
I was living with them so I
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was at their
house when she died.
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So I didn't get to see
her after she was dead, and I
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wanted to do that, but my
grandmother she was like well
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I saw my husband when he
died and I didn't like it.
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So she didn't
want me to see them.
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So you had no closure
with your mom - no I didn't.
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I sort of did in some ways
because my mom kept on saying
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you need to talk
to her and so I did.
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She had me say, because she
was just hanging on, she was
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there, but she could no
longer respond, she could no
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longer do anything.
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So I said to my mom, I
don't know she heard me or not,
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but I said you can let
go, it's okay, I'll be okay.
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That was really hard - oh
man - it's hard to hear it
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when you said now - yeah.
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I cried I have hard time
saying it, but I knew if I
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said it that maybe - she could
rest - she could rest, yeah!
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Because she was struggling so
much with the cancer - she was.
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But for me what helped
a lot from this accident
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is that I got to see
Cathy and Candice's bodies.
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I've got to have closure
with them and it helped me a
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lot because, I
never saw a dead body.
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I never seen it before.
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I've known Cathy and Candace
when they were alive, they
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were up for Thanksgiving
and stuff so we - so they're
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part of your family - they
were part of the family - yeah!
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I was coming into their
family and I was trying to
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get to know everyone.
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So when I got to see
them it really made me, I was
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afraid at first, but then
when I saw them I was relieved.
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I was afraid that all my
goodness see in them dead I
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might not be so for
afraid, but I was like
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that's not really them anymore.
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They are resting -
they are resting and then
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I cried a lot because I felt
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better because since I didn't
see my mom, that helped me.
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And you know what I get a
sense of what happened in this
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house, is they cried
freely too, and it was okay.
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And so giving you permission,
of course cry - it's okay!
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I felt really alone
when my mom died, because my
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parents, my new parents
now, my new family they knew her
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but not very well.
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So I felt very alone because
I was the only one grieving.
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It felt, to me, like I was the
only one, it felt silly to cry
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because I was the only one.
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It felt really good, it
helped me when that was able to
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cry with other people - and
have everybody surrounding each
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other - and everyone -
comforting each other - exactly.
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How incredible and you know
to me I just want, I want to
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keep thanking them for how
much they are loving on you.
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But I also want to
thank you for loving on them.
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You know what I mean
because it's just both ways.
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I want to bring Mark back
up and I want to thank you for
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sharing with us on this.
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Mark I want you to come
back up because I want to ask
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something that I know that
people probably think about,
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and I used to think
about this until I talked with
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different friends who have gone
through horrible experiences
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where they have
lost someone they loved.
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Is it difficult for you to
talk about this, is it hard
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for you to bring it up?
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No, there is relief from
talking about it because of my
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wife and daughter in law,
because it helps that people
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haven't forgotten them.
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That's what I don't like is
when people don't talk about
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it to me - yeah when
they're afraid to say what's up
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and that reminds me
of the accident, we were
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passing by the same place.
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If people are afraid to
talk about it then there is a
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fear about forgetting.
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Yeah people want to avoid
the obvious thing that needs
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to be said about missing
Cathy, or something, when they
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see picture something,
when people ignore it.
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It is not healthy to ignore
the past, sure we miss them
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I cried twice a day for
at least six months every
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morning because I loved her
and missed her even though I
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know that Jesus is going to
raise her back to life soon.
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The reason people cry is
because you love the person,
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that's a good reason to
cry, because you miss them.
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It is not something to be
ashamed of, even as a Christian.
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There is a couple things
you wanted to share with us,
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what are they?
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Well I was praying one morning
about two weeks after Cathy
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died, I was kneeling by
the bed and I don't remember
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what I was saying but all
of a sudden it came to me that
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I loved Cathy more than Jesus.
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I had been raised an
Adventist I really knew Jesus
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righteousness by faith
and understood that at 21.
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Somehow it got to the place
where I loved Cathy more and
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didn't put Jesus in His
first-place, actually I love
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myself first and then Cathy.
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And then Jesus to be
honest, but now after spending a
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I lived a year by
myself after Cathy died.
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That was the best thing
that could have happened to me,
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I was dreading
going to be living alone.
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Because you thought
how am I going to feel,
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because I'm so used
to having Cathy around.
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God said you know what,
you and I are hanging out.
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That was good to be by
myself because I started every
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morning with Jesus and
ended every morning with Jesus.
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Nobody interrupted me, now
I can do what I want to do.
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That may sound selfish,
but that was how it worked out.
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You know we wives know we
interrupt you - we know that.
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Sometimes yeah
that's been known to happen.
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So what I was dreading
was the best thing for me.
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I needed to spend more
time with Jesus, even though
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I was an elder in the church.
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Jesus is first in my life, I
love Him more than anything else
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I am not afraid of
dying because everything
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is in God's timing I know.
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So now everything is
kind of shifted to their
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rightful places - yes.
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Wow - and I'm, but Holy
Spirit is finally being allowed
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to do what He can do - Amen.
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God is so good I just want
to say again that I love Him
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and He loves me.
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So you have put together
even these trips were they have
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gone overseas to minister
to kids in other countries,
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what brought that up
because it wasn't something you
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were doing before the accident.
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No, in 2004, Cathy and I
went with Share Him, used to be
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Global Evangelism
and they change names.
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Where to get us volunteers
from this country to go preach
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somewhere else, and after they
get you there, the orientation
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is really not to benefit
these other countries, it's to
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benefit you, so you
learn to trust God more.
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So did you preach - yeah,
Cathy and I both preached.
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The first time I ever
preached is when I stood up over
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there to preach.
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And that preached 17
sermons - didn't scare you, were
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you not scared - I was
scared but I was praying and
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when I stood up my
fears went away - Amen!
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I preach 16 or 17 sermons.
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That's amazing - and that
was such a good experience,
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that was the closest time
in Cathy and my relationship.
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We did not have any irritations,
you know a lot of time
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somebody wrong
inflexion in the voice they will
00:20:15.88\00:20:18.56
irritate you, but that
didn't even happen the three
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weeks we were in Ghana
because we spent several hours a
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day preparing for
the sermons and praying.
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When God is the center
of our life it's great.
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It really is a whole
different thing - so once I
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experienced that, I mean
after the accident I wanted the
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family to experience that.
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So I arranged for my sons
and Amanda and Monica and her
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family to go to Ghana
were Cathy and I preached.
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To go back to the two
churches because the most godly
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man I ever met is
Pastor Manuel Gaza in Ghana.
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I wanted them to meet him
because when we were with him
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we prayed all the time.
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With Pastor Gaza, I
wanted people to meet him.
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So it took the 9 of us
plus one of Mark's friends,
00:21:04.64\00:21:08.54
Mark and Luke's friends
from Michigan because I wanted
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to change their lives
like it had changed mine.
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And from what I hear
it did change their lives.
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I saw some clips on your
website, definitely on my space
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page, that I looked at the
joy in these kids life that
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was just amazing.
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You had prayer for that
pastor's wife, his wife right,
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that literally you saw healing.
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Yes we went to visit him,
Pastor Gaza and his wife at
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his home because she had not
been out of bed for 3 or 4 weeks
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At least that she has Rheumatoid
Arthritis, and we went
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to their house to pray.
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Monica suggested that we
ought pray for her, and so we
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got her out of her bedroom,
she came out in the living
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room and we prayed and
then we left because we had a
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meeting to go to at
their church that night.
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About halfway through the
meeting she came walking in
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the church - were you shocked?
00:22:11.99\00:22:14.68
Yeah she had walked almost
a mile to the church and here
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she hadn't been out
of bed for 3 or 4 weeks
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because of her arthritis.
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I was told she got up and
did a praise dance - yeah they
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do a little dance and she
did that too after her not
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being out of bed.
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And we just knew God was
working because of trusting Him.
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What I love is if we
allow God, even during our most
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difficult times, as He
said, if you sit with Me, I
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will walk you not
only through this, but our
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relationship gets stronger,
but you will understand what
00:22:46.84\00:22:49.99
I mean by this is a controversy.
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You are aliens here,
this is not even your home.
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When He comes we're going
to be taken out of this world
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and there will not be
death, accidents, molested kids,
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addicts and all
that kind of stuff.
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He says if you allow Me to
be real to you here, that the
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world will be different and
for you guys it is different.
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Yes we are at war, the
Great Controversy Series is
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called the Great Controversy.
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We think hard times are
bad for us, but they are
00:23:17.84\00:23:22.98
actually the best because
that is when we turned to God
00:23:23.01\00:23:26.33
more and trust in Him.
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So I came to the place
that I was thankful that my wife
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died first, and not me
because she will not have to go
00:23:30.96\00:23:34.68
through grieving my death -
she wouldn't be unprotected.
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So we are at war here and
we want to be fighting for
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Jesus like Mrs.
White speaks about the war
00:23:44.67\00:23:49.27
between good and evil.
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And God is, in war there
is casualties, because the
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enemy isn't happy
with what we're doing.
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What is really interesting
is that there was a place in
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the Bible that I came to
one time that was like don't
00:24:02.39\00:24:05.61
back away from trials too soon.
00:24:05.65\00:24:07.73
Don't run when something
slams into you because this is
00:24:07.77\00:24:10.69
going to really develop a
lot within you, not that God
00:24:10.73\00:24:13.56
planned it, not that I'm
going to do this because she
00:24:13.60\00:24:16.40
needs to develop this.
00:24:16.43\00:24:17.48
It is like He just says
you are in a war and so these
00:24:17.52\00:24:19.75
things are going to
happen, but in Christ
00:24:19.79\00:24:22.02
I will carry you through.
00:24:22.05\00:24:24.07
I will all things work
together for the good to those
00:24:24.11\00:24:27.43
that love God and we say
that so easily, but it doesn't
00:24:27.47\00:24:30.76
feel easy when we
are going through it.
00:24:30.80\00:24:32.54
You know what I mean, but
it does turn out for good.
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You do stand up cleaner for
Christ after a tragedy like this
00:24:34.96\00:24:39.19
And my relationship had
come to a place with Jesus that
00:24:39.22\00:24:42.26
it was growing, but He wasn't
in the first place, but He
00:24:42.30\00:24:45.30
was preparing me and so
I never got angry at God.
00:24:45.33\00:24:49.60
Why God that is a question
that didn't come because He
00:24:49.63\00:24:52.84
was growing me and preparing me.
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You really stood as a
spiritual leader in this group
00:24:55.26\00:25:00.22
during this time.
00:25:00.25\00:25:01.98
I've been told that, I
always feel I'm not worthy of
00:25:02.01\00:25:05.03
that but God uses the average
person and so I will except that
00:25:05.07\00:25:09.38
I sense that every time
I'm around I can sense that you
00:25:09.42\00:25:12.15
This is really the
position that you stood up in.
00:25:12.18\00:25:15.33
I just want to say
thank you for joining us.
00:25:15.37\00:25:19.28
Thank you everyone for coming.
00:25:19.32\00:25:21.16
We are going go ahead and
take a break and come back in.
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I would like to close with a
statement from you Luke if I can
00:25:24.40\00:25:29.15
It's hard to say wrap this
up because I don't think it's
00:25:29.19\00:25:34.42
wrapped up until
Christ comes - right!
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And Cathy walks back into
your arms, do you know what I
00:25:36.40\00:25:39.05
mean that's the ultimate
wrapping this up is that we are
00:25:39.08\00:25:41.66
reunited with those that we
love, your sister, and Candace
00:25:41.69\00:25:45.34
and the baby Katrina.
00:25:45.38\00:25:47.69
That's the goal, you know
what I mean that's the way God
00:25:47.73\00:25:51.95
says press on, I'm towards
that mark don't forget what
00:25:51.98\00:25:55.90
you are doing here, don't
move in here, you know what I
00:25:55.93\00:25:59.82
mean don't settle here
because we're going home.
00:25:59.85\00:26:02.06
Well the person I want to
see first at the resurrection
00:26:02.10\00:26:04.91
now is Jesus, not Cathy.
00:26:04.94\00:26:06.84
Where before it would
have been the other way around,
00:26:06.88\00:26:08.80
but now I want to
see Jesus first, yeah.
00:26:08.84\00:26:11.44
Isn't that cool, but He
says I just want to heal your
00:26:11.47\00:26:15.25
heart and get
those priorities right.
00:26:15.28\00:26:17.75
How incredible we're
going to be right back.
00:26:17.79\00:26:20.24
Man - I just want to be
real enough that I can walk
00:26:20.27\00:26:24.99
through this am
bless somebody else's life.
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Maybe I'll go on a
mission trip with you guys.
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Stay with us
we'll be right back!
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