The following program
discusses sensitive issues
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related to addictive behaviour.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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Welcome to
Celebrating Life in Recovery.
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I'm Cheri, your host.
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You know what
surprises me about God,
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is the miracles He performs
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and sometimes I
think a changed life
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is a bigger deal
than raising the dead.
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Today, I'd like to introduce you
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to friend of mine,
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on the bunch of strip clubs
and I think only God can bring
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something good
out of a strip club.
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Come join us on the set.
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When I talk about,
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"Does anything good
come out from a strip club,"
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I mean that.
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When I went, a few years ago,
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I'm doing this program
Celebrating Life in Recovery,
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you got a bunch
of guests coming in,
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I love doing this.
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You know, and I
know that you know that
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and you can see that
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and you get to meet
some incredible folks.
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I get to meet
some incredible folks
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but one time I come in
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and there's a guy here
I'm supposed to interview
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and I don't
know a lot about him.
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So I said, you know,
"Who is he, what is he doing?"
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They said, "His family
owns a number of strip clubs."
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And I'm thinking what?
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And I didn't even
know what was in me
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but I felt weight.
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I felt, all of the sudden, I
couldn't even hardly breathe.
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I don't wanna walk in the room,
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I don't wanna
introduce myself to this guy,
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I don't wanna talk to him.
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And I realized, my
sister is in the hospital
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hooked up on life support,
she's trying to kill herself,
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she's a stripper turning
50, she's got three DUIs,
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she's got the IRS
after her and when she dies,
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the person that
owns the strip club
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is just gonna put
another girl in there
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and not even remember her name.
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And I am so angry.
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I'm thinking, you
know what? I can't.
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Not today, I can't do this
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and people are
looking at me like...
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You know, 'cause
usually I'm nice.
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You know, I'm not even serious,
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usually I'm nice and I love God
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and anybody can heal in.
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All of that kind of stuff
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and I believe that
with everything in me
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but that moment I
thought, you know,
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well, I just wanna shoot them.
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I wanna walk-in and
shoot him in the face, right?
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So excuse me.
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For people that haven't
seen this program before,
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it was just that
intense for me and so I walk-in
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and I'm trying to be
nice, "Hi, my name is Cheri."
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And everything in me
just thought, "I'm dying."
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And I walkout and Jay
Dew, one of the pastors here,
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whom I love, you know, I
feel like he is my pastor.
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But I walkout and he's
like, "Do you wanna pray?"
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You know, 'cause, I mean, he's
looking at me like what's up,
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you know,
something's obviously up.
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And I said, "I can't do this."
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You know, and so
he says, "Let's pray,"
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and then he comes up with
an idea that's ridiculous.
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He said, "Why don't
you ask this guy Michel,
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if you could process your rage,
why are you doing this show?"
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And I'm thinking,
"How funny is that."
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So I walk in and I just said,
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"You know, you know
that I don't like you.
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You know that, you know,
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all of this kind of
stuff that I'm raging,
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you know, all
that kind of stuff.
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Can we just process
that during the show."
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And, you know, this is a big guy
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but his knees were shaking.
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He was like, "okay."
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You know, and so
we get on the show
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and I open the program up,
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if you've ever seen
it with, you know what?
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When I first met this
guy spiritually speaking,
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I had both of my
hands around his neck.
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Did you feel that, Michael?
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And he's like, "I did.
Can we talk about that?"
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And within a
short period of time,
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he literally turns around at
and starts telling his story.
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And when he told his
story, my heart broke.
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My heart broke,
I thought, "What?
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Did I think I was
the only victim here?
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Do I think I'm the
only one in need of grace?
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Do I think that God himself
doesn't look at all of us?"
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And say, Amen.
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I love you and
draws us to Himself.
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So we're talking
about this whole season
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and about grace
and about forgiveness
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and I didn't even
realize that I had so much anger
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and I had so much bitterness
and I had so much to talk
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but I realized at that moment,
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when I'm listening to this
man talk about his background,
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is that I have to really say,
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"Please forgive me."
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And at one point in
the show, I just started...
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Of program, I
just started crying.
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And Michel looked
at me and he said,
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"I don't know if
anybody has ever asked you this
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but would you
forgive me, as a club owner."
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And I just couldn't
hardly stand it and I said,
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"Would you forgive me?
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In my arrogance, that I thought
forgiveness wasn't for you too.
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And we both looked at each other
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and realized that
God had done a miracle.
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I needed to forgive
him, he needed to forgive me,
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we needed to step
into the arms of God
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and let him heal us.
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And so today we're gonna
talk with one of his brothers.
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I no longer feel rage,
I'm no longer that arrogant
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and I no longer have
all of that bitterness.
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So I want you to stay with us
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and man, I hope by
the end of this program,
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you are just proud of God.
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So stay with us,
we'll be right back.
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