The following program
discusses sensitive issues
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related to addictive behavior.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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And we are back.
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And as you can see,
this is going to be a...
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I don't want to say wild ride,
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but, yeah, I
think I'll say that.
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I think I'll say wild ride.
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This is going to be something
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as we look into
the human experience,
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and what God is doing to change,
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and re-arrange,
and just recover,
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and renew people.
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Amen. Yeah.
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And when you say that, to me,
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it's always the
most incredible thing,
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I wish people could
see behind the scenes,
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because the healing that happens
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even putting us
together as you meet somebody
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and you're on the road
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or they come into
your life in any way
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and all of a sudden
you watch the holy spirit,
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just, do change
after change after change.
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Sometimes you can't
even recognize folks
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that their
journey has been so rich.
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And so, you know,
as we get to do that
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and as you get to
see that, it is a ride.
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And God is just
saying that, "I promise you,
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you trust me and
I will do the rest."
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And you know, in
my journey, you know,
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it's been years,
I've clean 35 years,
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that's ridiculous to me.
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I'm now instead of
looking to be mentored,
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I'm looking to
mentor someone else.
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And then that whole
world starts to change,
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and God says,
"Even in that world,
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Cheri, don't think
I'm done healing you."
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We had a major,
major crash, right?
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Major crash.
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I don't even
think I'm gonna survive
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and I am trying to
figure out something.
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And God says to me so sweetly,
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"Cheri, what did I promise
you when you were saved?"
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And I'm thinking,
what did he promise me,
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'cause I think he
promised me the world,
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and I think everything changed,
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and it was just amazing.
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He said, "Nope, I
promised to get you home,
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I promised you the
day after resurrection,
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I promised you
there's gonna be a day
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that you're gonna
look for this crazy stuff,
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and this pain,
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and this not working
out or somebody being hurt
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and you will not
find them anywhere.
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Every tear will be dried."
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So even in this
season, being able to say,
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we're gonna show all this kind
of journey all along the way,
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but we're gonna
keep bragging on God,
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he promised to get us home.
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He did.
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And we're on our way
home. He did, he did.
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You know, what impressed me,
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and we talk about this on
another show that you know,
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we talked about
the camera looking
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on something that's ongoing.
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You've had times when you saw
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a break through
right here on set.
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It's so fun.
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And you kind of just
stop the production process
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and said, "Hey, I think
some ministry time going."
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And so you just,
the ministry time
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just super imposed
itself on the production time
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and lives of being re-arranged
right here on the set.
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And what I love about
that is that we think God,
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when the camera's got, you know,
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and God's already done the work.
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But that's not true. No.
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So, when you do get that moment,
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like there were times that
I changed right on the set.
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You know Stacey and
Aaron were talking about
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when I
interviewed their brother,
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Aaron's brother, years ago.
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And I'm so angry, my
sister is a stripper,
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she's dying in the hospital.
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He's a strip club owner
and I want to strangle him,
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I don't want to interview
you, I don't want you here.
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I don't think Grace is for you.
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You know, I've made a
mistake about all that.
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But I'm feeling that
angry and he comes on
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and tells me his
story, and I realized that,
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you know, he got
hijacked as a kid
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for sexual addictions
and with his family business.
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And at one point I
started to cry when he asked me,
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"Would you forgive me
for every girl I've damaged,
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for every club I've opened.
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Nobody's ever said
this to you, but I'm sorry."
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And I listen and I
saw the grace of God
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working in everybody's life.
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And we had to stop.
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Amen. Yeah.
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You know, victimization
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plays itself
out in so many ways.
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You know, some
people just lie down
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and sort of go
into the fetal position
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for the rest of their
lives and just remain victims.
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Others victimize
others, generationally.
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Others turned into
a hard, cold people.
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Others become dupes and pawns
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or anybody with
a game, you know.
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You got so many
things when you run into that
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and you see a
little light come on.
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I know you
merely kind of stop it
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and kind of mind that
thing and fan that flame.
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And that's good, because
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reclamation
supersedes production
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and you can do them both.
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But if you see a
little light come on,
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hey, you got to chase
that thing and get it done.
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And every time you see that,
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it's amazing to me
when you actually see,
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who God created
that person to be,
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I'm so proud of God.
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Praise the Lord, yeah.
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You know,
sometimes we're hiding behind
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all our
addictions, all our craziness,
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then God says,
"You know what, that,
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if you got to see
him, if you got to see her,
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you'd be honored."
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's like a person a
week we saw little bit ago
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who is he the beating up
somebody or beating himself
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up to the point of bloodying
his own face with his own fist.
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You know, that's crazy stuff.
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And yet, God can reach
down and take a person who...
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some people cut themselves,
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but I had never heard anybody
punching themselves bloody.
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You know, kind of thing.
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Bashing his
face on a brick wall.
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Yeah, yeah. Hated himself.
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Yeah, hated
himself, just hated himself.
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And now has enough love
of God in him to love others
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and most
importantly to love himself.
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It's so cool. It
is, it really is.
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So I'd like to introduce
to you the next rolling
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that you're gonna see,
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when I first met Angela and Jay,
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I was numb.
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It felt like their
pain became my pain,
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it was so intense.
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But Angela and jay,
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Angela was at home,
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watching the kids,
having a great day,
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throwing some
clothes in the laundry
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and till her son was quiet.
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And so she walked around,
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trying to find
her 18 month old son.
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And she said I just,
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all of a sudden
went to the backyard,
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stood by the edge of the pool
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and he was in the
bottom of the pool.
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Wow.
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And everything
changed in her life.
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Jay comes home for
lunch, he's a veterinarian,
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comes home for lunch
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and there's a helicopter
parked in his front yard,
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with all the rescue things.
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And nobody had called him,
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he said, he just
started screaming like,
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what happened?
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They said, "Somebody drowned."
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"What do you
mean, somebody drowned?
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This is my house." Yeah.
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Everything changed
for them and it was...
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I don't think
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they don't try to
make this a pretty thing.
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But there journey back to God,
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their journey
back to each other,
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their journey to
recovery was so amazing.
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It's so amazing. Yeah.
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So then, and Lisa,
there's another guest
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that we're talking about is
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that she's an incredible woman,
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married, fell on love,
all that kind of stuff,
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has three kids, had four kids,
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one after another dealing
with autism, severe autism.
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And then we've got,
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Damas said, I
met him 18 months ago
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and looked at him and
he was the walking dead.
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And just what happened
in his family, in his life.
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And 18 months later he's
back on the top of this game.
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So fun, so enjoyed this.
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It is an
amazing, amazing season.
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First of all,
I'm yelling for help
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and I could not save my child.
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So my second child
comes in, 12 years old,
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he became 27 within
three minutes, you see.
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He's a little child.
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And he's suddenly in
the bottom of the pool,
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and the enemy speaks,
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"Now, I'm going
to take hem both."
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I'm here to tell you,
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the rubber met the
road right there in my soul,
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because now two of my
children are in the pool
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and I can't do anything.
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I remember falling to my knees
on that concrete and I said,
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"God, you have
got to do something."
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I could have been there.
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You know, I spent my
whole life on a day-to-day
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since I'm a veterinarian,
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I'm working really
hard to save one pound,
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couldn't happen to me yesterday.
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I was successful,
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yet I was not
afford of the opportunity
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and I was not
successful with my own son.
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There's a lot of inequity
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there that really
will grind on you over
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a long period of time.
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And just like you said,
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you've got all
these big questions,
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just like you
said, it was who's fault?
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There's, why did it happen?
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And the idea that
all those would come
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and you might scream those out,
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you might, but
you'll scream them out
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in really slow motion
over about five years.
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Every day something happened
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and as I'm doing high
ropes with my son and stuff,
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and we're there working
to build to work as a team.
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It's about
challenging relationships.
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Right, as you're connecting...
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As we're connecting with him,
he got me through a challenge
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when I said, "I
can't do it anymore, son."
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And make me pull himself out,
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and this is where the
parent became the child
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and the child became the parent.
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And he says,
"Dad, I believe I you,
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you can do
this, I know you can."
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I love that, are you kidding me?
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Now my son is
like, this my cool, calm,
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and collected phlegmatic son,
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you know, he
just cruises in life
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'cause that's the way
he handles special needs,
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you know. And he's like exotic.
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"You can do
that, you're so close."
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We ended up being
one of three parent-child
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that summer to
make it to the end
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and I was exhausted.
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And you know what,
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something
happened inside my brain.
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Whatever it was, it
actually let me know
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that I was truly valued,
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that I was truly loved.
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That you're not done yet.
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And I'm not done yet,
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and my son saw
something in me that I didn't.
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You know, what I really loved
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that it was so
powerful to me about our guests,
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especially, Angela and Jay,
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is that Angela came on it,
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she really is used to
speaking in front of people
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about her loss and
about her recovery.
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Men grieve
differently, you know,
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they really
handle that differently.
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And when at one point
even during the program,
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Jay had to get up
and walk out of the room
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and come back, and he said,
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you know, for him,
it was years later,
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he's trying to fix everything,
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he's trying to make his family,
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help his family survive,
he's trying to do the shopping.
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Wife is in bed he's
like, you know what,
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his grieving was different.
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And I think he clearly gifted us
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with a little snapshot
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of how maybe men
would handle this.
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And I think for men
that don't speak often,
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that don't, you
know we grab our friends
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and go for a
walk and call someone.
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And he said, you know what,
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he didn't share
with anybody hardly
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and now he just repents of that.
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And if somebody even
dies in his community,
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he will go out,
especially children,
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when people are
burying children,
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he said, "I just go stand there,
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and if they want to speak to me,
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I'm available."
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And you know,
Lisa, I just love her
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and the
struggles and the passion
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she has to
trying to make it right.
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And the guy that from
New Zealand that you know,
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18 months later,
and he is so powerful,
00:11:23.45\00:11:29.52
and so passionate about
God, and so right there.
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And I know that
we shouldn't say man,
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and I got to be a part
of that of how cool is that.
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You know, I know
that there's probably
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something that somebody
wants to warn you about that,
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but I want to celebrate, I
just think, how cool is that.
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I feel like he is
my spiritual brother,
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I feel like, you know,
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somehow on the other side of all
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of this kind of
stuff in eternity
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that we're just gonna look
at each other and go like...
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Praise the lord. Yeah.
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You know, I'm
thinking about Angela and Jay
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and their experience,
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I am having past
in the New York city
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and I know that
the loss of a child,
00:12:05.19\00:12:08.32
when in the care
of one of the parents
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can occasion a
break up of that family.
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It's like, okay, I'm
at work, you're home,
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you're suppose to be
watching and taking care of.
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Yeah, we're worried.
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Yeah, we're worried,
you know, kind of thing.
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So they've beat the
odds on so many levels.
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One, they're
still believing in God
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and believing in his
ability to keep and hold.
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Two, they're going
through this together,
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it's not, I'm
here and this is on you
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because I'm working
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and you are supposed
to be doing your job,
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you're not doing your job.
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I so fell in love with
this couple but Jay especially,
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'cause all of
this chaos is going on,
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helicopters, his son is dead,
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they're working on him,
had worked on him for so long.
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But he walked
through all of that chaos,
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all of that
screaming, all of that,
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even neighbors screaming
like, "What's happening?"
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And he walked to his wife
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and he put his hands on her face
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and he said, "This
is not your fault."
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And I thought, he did what?
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Yeah.
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And so, he really
addressed that early on in,
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and not that it was
easy for the next few years,
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but she said,
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" I couldn't
believe he did that,
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I couldn't believe
he looked right at me."
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And what he said even
in the interview is that,
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you know that,
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I know how much
she loves this boy,
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I know her as a mother.
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I don't know what happened,
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but I know this
was not your fault.
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And so even if
you are doing a loss,
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and I love the fact that
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we get e-mails from
people that said that,
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"I couldn't even
hard to watch the program,
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I was just in tears."
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But if you are doing a loss,
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so you don't know
what to say to somebody
00:13:54.13\00:13:55.70
that has lost a child,
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and these programs will
really help you on what to say.
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Because remember,
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we're switching in
a whole different way,
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how do we
mentor, how do we equip,
00:14:02.84\00:14:05.01
how do we let people
know that this is not,
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here's some
tools that you can do
00:14:07.81\00:14:10.01
if you are in that situation.
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Because I've been in a situation
00:14:11.85\00:14:13.72
where a friend lost a child
00:14:13.75\00:14:15.95
and I was so
devastated that I backed away
00:14:15.98\00:14:18.89
instead of came forward.
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And I will never do that again.
00:14:20.89\00:14:22.99
I can't change that. Yeah.
00:14:23.02\00:14:24.93
But I have tools now
that I won't do that again.
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And I have to say, most people,
00:14:28.40\00:14:29.90
simply because they
don't know what to say,
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say nothing and sort of just
fold their arms and back away.
00:14:31.93\00:14:35.94
Because, truth is
there's no perfect thing to say,
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you know, there's no like
you can get out of the box
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and kind of mix in hot
water and stir and it's perfect.
00:14:41.98\00:14:44.15
You know, it just not,
it doesn't work that way.
00:14:44.18\00:14:46.31
But the fact that
they're still together,
00:14:46.35\00:14:48.35
there's no blame,
there's no ranker,
00:14:48.38\00:14:51.15
and they're
holding on to each other,
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that's what's powerful
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and that's what
we can't take away.
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That this kind of loss
doesn't have to tear you apart,
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doesn't have to
tear your family apart.
00:15:00.43\00:15:03.03
There is no cookie
cutter solution for grieving,
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everybody grieves differently,
00:15:06.67\00:15:08.00
and men and women
grieve differently,
00:15:08.04\00:15:09.37
husbands and wives
may grieve differently,
00:15:09.40\00:15:11.17
but you can grieve together
00:15:11.21\00:15:12.97
and you don't have
to push each other away.
00:15:13.01\00:15:14.81
And I want to
go to the next roll
00:15:14.84\00:15:17.31
but want to say that, 12 years,
00:15:17.35\00:15:19.05
she couldn't get to
the bottom of the pool
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'cause she was
screaming and breathing
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in water and unable to...
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and she's a swimmer
00:15:25.02\00:15:26.35
but she said, "I
couldn't get there."
00:15:26.39\00:15:27.72
And so, then her 12
year old son jumped in
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and brought his dead
brother up in his arms.
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Wow.
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And that boy,
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now works for
the United Nations,
00:15:34.76\00:15:36.30
that boy says, "I
lived my life twice
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as I what I would
have to honor my brother."
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So everybody, not only survived
00:15:42.84\00:15:44.57
but they're
incredible, incredible family.
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Amen.
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That's a great, great story.
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That's why you have to watch,
00:15:48.88\00:15:50.41
because we are
giving you the tease,
00:15:50.45\00:15:53.08
we are giving
you the aerial view.
00:15:53.11\00:15:55.08
You need to get
right on a ground
00:15:55.12\00:15:56.45
and get up close
to look at this stuff
00:15:56.48\00:15:57.82
because it will
change your life.
00:15:57.85\00:15:59.95
It will encourage you,
you'll laugh, you'll cry,
00:15:59.99\00:16:02.32
but you'll be encouraged to
see the power of reclamation
00:16:02.36\00:16:06.39
and what God can do through,
with, for, to individuals
00:16:06.43\00:16:11.30
who simply put it
out there and say,
00:16:11.33\00:16:12.97
"God, take it,
it's too heavy for me,
00:16:13.00\00:16:14.57
I can't deal with
it, you got to take it."
00:16:14.60\00:16:16.60
And he can and he
will and, Cheri, he does.
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And we're going to
the Victorian Jesus,
00:16:19.21\00:16:21.04
Bill's book.
00:16:21.08\00:16:22.41
But in the book
'God is crazy about you',
00:16:22.44\00:16:24.65
one of the things I
was trying to figure out,
00:16:24.68\00:16:27.45
you know, how does God heal us?
00:16:27.48\00:16:29.15
What does that look like?
00:16:29.18\00:16:30.52
But one time I was
speaking at an event
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and when I was
speaking at this event,
00:16:33.62\00:16:36.69
this woman comes up to
me and she simply says,
00:16:36.73\00:16:40.13
"Does your mother love you yet?"
00:16:40.16\00:16:43.13
And I, you know,
00:16:43.16\00:16:45.47
my mom, I love her,
00:16:45.50\00:16:47.74
she's incredible
but we never bonded.
00:16:47.77\00:16:50.47
You know, she was damaged,
00:16:50.51\00:16:52.37
you know, I got damaged,
00:16:52.41\00:16:53.84
it was not...
00:16:53.88\00:16:55.21
I don't think it
was anybody's fault.
00:16:55.24\00:16:56.85
I mean, she wasn't
evil and meant to hurt me.
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Right, right.
00:16:58.75\00:17:00.08
It was just, all of
the damage was so severe.
00:17:00.12\00:17:02.58
And addictions and all that.
00:17:02.62\00:17:04.05
But when this woman said that,
00:17:04.09\00:17:05.45
I started crying and
it caught me off guard.
00:17:05.49\00:17:07.76
And I'm embarrassed
00:17:07.79\00:17:09.12
'cause I usually
don't and I'm crying,
00:17:09.16\00:17:11.39
and she just held
me and she said that
00:17:11.43\00:17:12.89
I want you to
know that I love you.
00:17:12.93\00:17:14.60
Wow. I love you.
00:17:14.63\00:17:16.33
And I kind of
just was in her arms
00:17:16.36\00:17:21.67
and trying to figure
out what's that about.
00:17:21.70\00:17:24.11
And little while later,
like a few months later,
00:17:24.14\00:17:27.71
I see her again and she says,
00:17:27.74\00:17:29.08
I talk with my whole family
and we'd like to adopt you.
00:17:29.11\00:17:33.11
And I'm thinking,
wait, I'm 43 years old,
00:17:33.15\00:17:35.78
what do you mean adopt me?
00:17:35.82\00:17:37.15
But when she said
that, first time in my life,
00:17:37.19\00:17:40.06
in my own skin, I
felt like a wanted child.
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It was so bizarre.
00:17:43.32\00:17:45.19
And we talked then
about the bizarreness of it
00:17:45.23\00:17:47.96
and she said, I know,
but I think it's from God.
00:17:48.00\00:17:50.53
So she adopts me,
her family adopts me,
00:17:50.57\00:17:52.90
John and Marcia.
00:17:52.93\00:17:54.27
So then, I get home from a gig,
00:17:54.30\00:17:56.74
I get the mail and
I get a birthday card,
00:17:56.77\00:17:59.17
"Happy First Birthday."
00:17:59.21\00:18:01.18
A little tiny
kitty-cat or something
00:18:01.21\00:18:03.75
and I'm thinking,
how funny is this.
00:18:03.78\00:18:06.15
And then the next week,
"Happy second Birthday."
00:18:06.18\00:18:09.32
And she said, "I'm
gonna send you a birthday card
00:18:09.35\00:18:11.12
every weekend until I catch up."
00:18:11.15\00:18:13.36
By the third week,
00:18:13.39\00:18:15.26
I'm by the post
box, I'm by the mail box,
00:18:15.29\00:18:17.99
and I'm waiting and I open it up
00:18:18.03\00:18:20.20
and it's a little
duck holding an umbrella.
00:18:20.23\00:18:22.70
And she said, "If I
would have been there
00:18:22.73\00:18:24.67
when you were
three, I would've held you
00:18:24.70\00:18:26.74
and told you how beautiful,"
00:18:26.77\00:18:28.10
and I am weeping and every
part of my body starts to heal.
00:18:28.14\00:18:32.81
I finally feel like
00:18:32.84\00:18:34.18
what it feels
like to have a mom,
00:18:34.21\00:18:35.81
what it feels like to have that.
00:18:35.84\00:18:37.45
So, even when we start to
trust God with our recovery
00:18:37.48\00:18:40.45
and we start to say,
00:18:40.48\00:18:41.85
"God knows exactly
what we need to heal."
00:18:41.88\00:18:44.35
And if we are open
to that every day thing,
00:18:44.39\00:18:47.56
stay in present in that day
00:18:47.59\00:18:49.82
literally knowing that
God himself is our counselor,
00:18:49.86\00:18:53.50
that he is going to come
and wrap around what we need.
00:18:53.53\00:18:56.56
Fabulous. That he
will bring in healing.
00:18:56.60\00:18:58.67
So, the reality for me is that
00:18:58.70\00:19:02.60
we will get what
we need from a God
00:19:02.64\00:19:05.61
who knows what we need
and is trying to get us home.
00:19:05.64\00:19:08.48
Yeah, yeah. It's just amazing.
00:19:08.51\00:19:09.84
It is amazing.
00:19:09.88\00:19:11.21
Before you look to
the next little bit,
00:19:11.25\00:19:12.75
there's a text
that comes to mind,
00:19:12.78\00:19:15.15
just one verse.
00:19:15.18\00:19:16.65
2 Corinthian 2:14,
00:19:16.69\00:19:19.95
Paul writer to the
church of Corinthian says,
00:19:19.99\00:19:21.59
and of course, when you talk
about the Corinthian church,
00:19:21.62\00:19:23.96
you talk about
this functional church.
00:19:23.99\00:19:25.66
The Corinthian church should be
00:19:25.69\00:19:28.36
on celebrating life in recovery.
00:19:28.40\00:19:29.73
They were a mess.
00:19:29.76\00:19:31.10
Yeah, because they were
a mess, they were a mess.
00:19:31.13\00:19:32.53
So Paul is saying,
00:19:32.57\00:19:35.27
"Now thanks be to God
00:19:35.30\00:19:36.97
who always leads us
in triumph in Christ."
00:19:37.01\00:19:41.41
You know, I'm thanking God
00:19:41.44\00:19:42.78
because triumph is guaranteed
00:19:42.81\00:19:44.45
and that's where the
show highlights that...
00:19:44.48\00:19:47.28
"And through us," he says,
00:19:47.32\00:19:48.78
"defuses the
fragrance of his knowledge
00:19:48.82\00:19:50.19
in every place."
00:19:50.22\00:19:51.55
So, we thank God because
00:19:51.59\00:19:53.59
at the end of the
road there is victory,
00:19:53.62\00:19:55.26
there is triumph.
00:19:55.29\00:19:56.62
God always leads us in triumph.
00:19:56.66\00:19:58.36
If you trust him, if
you put in his hands,
00:19:58.39\00:20:00.60
if it's too big
for you to carry,
00:20:00.63\00:20:02.43
it is not too big for him.
00:20:02.46\00:20:03.80
Just because you are
clueless or I am clueless,
00:20:03.83\00:20:06.13
doesn't mean he
is, he's got an answer.
00:20:06.17\00:20:08.10
So he always leads
us in triumph in Christ
00:20:08.14\00:20:11.34
and that's what we see.
00:20:11.37\00:20:12.71
No matter how far you've gone,
00:20:12.74\00:20:14.08
no matter how
long you've been there,
00:20:14.11\00:20:16.01
he can go down, reach
down and pull you back.
00:20:16.04\00:20:19.31
And that's what's so
fabulous about this whole thing.
00:20:19.35\00:20:21.55
And what I love about that is
00:20:21.58\00:20:24.89
when you get
into the word of God
00:20:24.92\00:20:26.49
and you actually
start to open up,
00:20:26.52\00:20:28.56
what does God say is
over and over and over
00:20:28.59\00:20:31.39
he says the same thing
that, I'll lead you, I'll do it.
00:20:31.43\00:20:35.43
You know,
somebody could have met me,
00:20:35.46\00:20:38.50
like you met me
years ago, right?
00:20:38.53\00:20:40.74
I'm much different
than I am, than I was then.
00:20:40.77\00:20:44.67
I mean, the things
that I have dealt with,
00:20:44.71\00:20:46.31
the things that God has
allowed me to surrender,
00:20:46.34\00:20:49.51
hopefully, next year
00:20:49.54\00:20:51.01
I'll be
surrendering something else
00:20:51.05\00:20:52.45
or five years from now.
00:20:52.48\00:20:53.82
But God says, I will lead you
00:20:53.85\00:20:55.18
in all of those ways
00:20:55.22\00:20:56.75
and when we step
alongside of each other
00:20:56.79\00:20:58.45
and actually figure out
00:20:58.49\00:20:59.82
what he means by
that, we can heal.
00:20:59.85\00:21:01.89
Yes. So cool.
00:21:01.92\00:21:03.26
Yeah, praise the Lord.
00:21:03.29\00:21:05.89
The next group of folks
00:21:05.93\00:21:08.66
I want to introduce you to
is Richie and Timari Brower.
00:21:08.70\00:21:12.53
They are marriage counselors
and that cracks me out
00:21:12.57\00:21:16.94
because they were a mess.
00:21:16.97\00:21:19.54
They were a mess.
00:21:19.57\00:21:20.91
They shouldn't
even have got married.
00:21:20.94\00:21:22.78
They fought during
the whole engagement,
00:21:22.81\00:21:25.91
their first couple years
of their marriage was so bad
00:21:25.95\00:21:30.89
because she was damaged
00:21:30.92\00:21:32.95
and then he
thought it was all perfect
00:21:32.99\00:21:35.72
but he was raised
by a hoarding mother
00:21:35.76\00:21:37.69
and had all kinds of stuff
and divorce and everything.
00:21:37.73\00:21:40.86
But when they started to heal
00:21:40.90\00:21:42.93
and realize how
powerful God is in healing,
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they had to teach someone else.
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Amen.
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I got to teach somebody. Yeah.
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And then Donald
and Janelle Owen,
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they have run our groups,
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Celebrating Life in
Recovery in the community
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but they have
really been in bondage
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to sexual
addictions, and divorce,
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and abuse, and insecurity
and they talk about that.
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They may be offensive to some
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because they talk
so openly about that.
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Yes.
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I wanted to just hold them
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and thank them
for their honesty.
00:22:12.86\00:22:15.56
But you know,
enjoy this group of shots
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because it's a
pretty amazing stories.
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All the things we didn't know,
00:22:22.97\00:22:25.64
smashed us on the
head like an anvil.
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Would that be appropriate?
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Yeah, so we went
off on our honeymoon,
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I mean, like lot
of young couples,
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we had you know said,
00:22:32.21\00:22:34.18
we're gonna save
physical intimacy for marriage
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and so we were
excited about the honeymoon
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and talking about how great
this is going to be to connect,
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you know, sexually
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and we're looking forward to it.
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And so we leave our wedding day,
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exhausted, you know...
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That's a tiring day. And hungry.
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Yeah, and hungry.
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And we are off on our honeymoon
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and everything fell apart.
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Whoa.
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I had a dream, I
know where I came from,
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I came from God,
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and he spoke to me
through that dream.
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It was very intense.
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I was in a bar drinking,
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having some fun
with some friends,
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there's Donald standing up.
00:23:09.92\00:23:12.29
This old man walks in,
he had long white beard,
00:23:12.32\00:23:14.79
long white hair,
made eye contact with me,
00:23:14.82\00:23:17.03
he literally look
me in the eyes said,
00:23:17.06\00:23:18.39
"God is coming."
00:23:18.43\00:23:20.03
And I just shout up on my bed
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and I just literally
ran to the living room.
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I've never read a Bible
before, I grabbed a Bible,
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started reading it, I'm
like, why am I even doing this?
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I started crying, I'm like,
I don't know what's going on.
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And so, I saw those changes
00:23:30.24\00:23:32.07
and I knew that
it had to be God,
00:23:32.11\00:23:33.58
it had to be, you
know, way beyond him
00:23:33.61\00:23:35.54
because of the
repeated times he tried change.
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And so we decided at one
point, actually, he was ready.
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Each time like,
each step towards God,
00:23:44.59\00:23:46.99
he was ready before I was.
00:23:47.02\00:23:49.66
But he wanted to get
rid of our porn stache
00:23:49.69\00:23:54.10
and our toys and stuff.
00:23:54.13\00:23:55.63
And so I said, well, no.
00:23:55.66\00:23:57.63
I'm not ready. I'm not ready.
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And so, he know,
00:23:59.60\00:24:01.00
he got rid of some of his stuff.
00:24:01.04\00:24:02.54
And so you know, eventually,
00:24:02.57\00:24:04.31
I don't know whether
I spend some time there
00:24:04.34\00:24:06.01
but eventually I
wanted to do the same thing.
00:24:06.04\00:24:10.01
Janelle and Donald are people
that I have known for a while.
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I did not know that history.
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And it says a couple of things.
00:24:16.42\00:24:17.75
One, it says that the
Lord can totally change you
00:24:17.79\00:24:20.02
and re-arrange your personality
that as I see you now,
00:24:20.06\00:24:23.06
I don't even know that
you had that kind of past.
00:24:23.09\00:24:25.69
That shows how thoroughly
a life can be reclaimed.
00:24:25.73\00:24:28.90
When she talked,
00:24:28.93\00:24:30.40
it was so interesting to me
00:24:30.43\00:24:33.74
because what she said is,
00:24:33.77\00:24:35.64
I just don't
want to keep hiding.
00:24:35.67\00:24:38.27
She was hijacked
in a sexual addiction
00:24:38.31\00:24:41.01
from the time
she was a little girl
00:24:41.04\00:24:43.01
when people were divorcing
00:24:43.04\00:24:44.51
and relationships
were falling apart
00:24:44.55\00:24:46.61
and all that kind of stuff,
00:24:46.65\00:24:47.98
and she said, "I
don't want to offend anyone
00:24:48.02\00:24:51.09
but I don't want to
hide because God was so good,
00:24:51.12\00:24:54.52
and you know, I
burned all my pornography,
00:24:54.56\00:24:57.03
all my toys,
literally changed my life."
00:24:57.06\00:24:59.93
Or somebody is shocked
when they hear this story
00:24:59.96\00:25:02.10
because they just think,
00:25:02.13\00:25:04.00
if anybody is a
saint, it's Janelle,
00:25:04.03\00:25:05.70
she's just
beautiful, and pure, and stuff,
00:25:05.73\00:25:07.67
and she said, "You
know what, I am that, now."
00:25:07.70\00:25:10.71
Yeah, now. But I
was not that then.
00:25:10.74\00:25:13.74
And then even Richie and Timmy,
00:25:13.78\00:25:18.71
the same kind of the thing is
00:25:18.75\00:25:20.08
that they have this
history that's just crazy.
00:25:20.12\00:25:22.58
And God says, "You know what,
00:25:22.62\00:25:23.95
let me change everything
and then go teach someone,
00:25:23.99\00:25:27.82
go mentor someone
else, take it out,
00:25:27.86\00:25:30.09
don't hold it
just for yourself."
00:25:30.13\00:25:31.89
So we're gonna go ahead
and take a break right now,
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but you know, the whole thing
00:25:34.10\00:25:35.63
for this series
is go tell someone.
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Heal yourself and
then tell someone else."
00:25:38.10\00:25:40.14
All right.
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