The following program
discusses sensitive issues
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related to addictive behavior.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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Welcome back.
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I don't know about
you but I think we've used
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every clinics on set just
because and your, your story
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and your journey
and, and the love God
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is wakening up in your journey
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back to each other
it was so powerful.
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I'd like to say Alvy, you
know thank you for joining us.
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The situation in the car,
what was your take on that?
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Like, you know
because he's telling the story
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that is just so amazing.
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The take is the take again
between light and darkness.
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Remember we're at
temple and we have a will
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and our choice but we
choose who will indwell us
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and what's thought.
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And those spheres
are very observant
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unaware of what is going on,
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on everybody's
heart and the dynamics.
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So when-- everything
is about reclaim Rene
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so when he invites me
to go with him he says,
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I'm afraid and I'm ashamed
but I will like to invite you
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and right away
that he was yeah, yes.
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She said ashamed, he's like a--
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well, what is she
ashamed of what he's doing?
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And what is the
fear, the fear of rejection
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and God tells me, tell him yes,
because in truth his experience
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in my spirit inside of him
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and if you
saying no to my spirit,
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here that spirit will go out
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and he will never
open his heart again.
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Wow. And so say, yes.
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And when I said, okay,
Laurie, yes and he comes
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and gets, you know of this.
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I didn't know what to
say because as I'm walking
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to the car the
Holy Spirit wants me.
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This is a spirit of
life. This spirit of light.
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This spirit of under
distance everything is
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to swine to restore
unto us the fullness of God.
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And he says
because of what you said,
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because you have so many
memories that are very painful
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that darkness the spirit
of evil can pull that out
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to destroy what
I'm trying to create.
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This even saying
to you this moment
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is so important, so sacred.
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So sacred, yeah.
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And he says, what
so ever he's lovely,
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what so ever he's pure,
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what so ever he's
beautiful speak of those things
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and I said go
Lord, there's nothing.
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So what do you
say? You know and I'm--
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And so I to this for
anybody that just to intent,
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this is years of
abuse, physical, verbal
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and faithfulness
somebody looking right at you
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just an hour go
saying get me something
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to eat in a disrespectable
way stormed in at the house
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and God is saying whatever
is pure, whatever was lovely.
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So this is a
really-- the battle is so you.
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And this is what we're
talking about believing
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that there is light
and there is darkness,
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and to seen the light. amen.
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Believing that he is
deaf and there is life
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and choosing life but this
is all outside of us not in us,
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it has to be given us
as we receive as we give.
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We can't strive for. No.
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It's a gift. No.
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And we don't receive
it because we say okay,
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I'll give you little bit.
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When you have nothing to
give to the other person,
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nothing that is
divining good you say to Lord,
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and He just says, okay here I'm.
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But we receive as we give.
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And so this is a
fantastic thing, this coaching.
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There is a verse
in Isaiah that says,
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and you will hear
a voice behind you
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or somewhere that says
to the right, to the left.
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Jesus himself said when
the spirit is come to you
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he will coach
you, he will teach you,
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he will guide you in all things.
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So you step by
step by step by step
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this divine
coaching is so precious.
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And so I getting to
the car and I'm so excited
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because I'm not
alone, he's not--
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I'm not dealing
with Rene in the past,
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I'm dealing with
the God of universe.
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And so I was so full of joy.
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And I said oh, so
thank you my love,
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and I'm thinking
the God of the universe
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that is in Him right now.
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And is in me and he's
trying to restore all things
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and I look around in
Bakersfield where we live.
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We live at the end of
the San Joaquin Valley.
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And we've the most
contaminated air in the country.
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And you don't see clearly
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but the moon and the
stars they were so bright.
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That night, God said.
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By faith maybe but that
was the only beautiful thing
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that I could talk about.
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And I said did you see
how beautiful the star,
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the moon and I
look at him, frozen.
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And we continued and
I said something else.
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No answer, frozen.
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Then comes this after him
back and forth and there--
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here again the great
drama of darkness and light.
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Darkness evil says,
look at him he's a coward.
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There he is so
full of fear and shame
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he did all the
messes he always does.
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And now he's gonna
put he's hand right there.
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Waiting for you to meet him
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but he never going to apologize.
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So women have
dignity and when evil speaks
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you feel the power of evil
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creating evil
things inside of you,
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the hardening of the heart.
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You can almost feel
it physically all over.
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All over emotionally,
mentally and physically
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and says women have dignity
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and he play that when
with me again and again.
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Women have dignity
and my neck went up.
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The dignity it
says don't even look
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because you are too weak.
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Look at the window
and I look at the window.
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That's a power and so and
that is the beauty of life
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and light that
says Alvy, not that way.
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I didn't take into
account my dignity as God.
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I put it aside
and I humble myself
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and I became a human being.
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And I humble myself unto
death even a death of a cross.
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And I always went to me
this sinner you do this thing
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and as God the
light in life spoke--
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As God speaks like in
creation He creates that in you.
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So evil turns me away
God like life turns me back
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and with that joy and
a love God in me infuses
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that love to my pinky.
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Amen.
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I cannot-- Listening to here
but I cannot overwhelm the guy.
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No. I need to test.
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If she would have taken my hand,
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I probably would have taken out.
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Too much. You see.
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But she gonna
playing with my pinky then.
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And a beautiful thing when
he didn't take the hand out.
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It was the
encouragement touch. Yeah.
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But not only
touch for the recovery
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that they were reconnecting.
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Yeah.
Reconciliation. Was saying--
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Lord, one day he will
be filled with Your spirit.
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You knew it. And
You will make us one.
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And he was so precious.
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He knew nothing of this
but the whole universe knew.
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Amen. All of the angels. Okay.
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And what it met at
that moment he said I knew
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and I had the
faith and the belief
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and there is nothing should we
that produces such a deep peace
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and rest as when you live
in this relationship with God.
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I love to say if
moment by moment we can live
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with the presence
of God in the present
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we have peace which is
a peace that so repulse,
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so fascinating understanding
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because He's the presence of God
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and now we have rest. amen.
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And He's not only on
this Sabbath day of rest
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because if we don't
learn to live in this peace
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and rest through out 24x7
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we will not have
it on the day of rest.
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All right. And this is so cool.
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Where is my notepad, I
need to write something's done.
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And God said it very clear,
you lose peace you lose me.
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Yeah. Amen. Reconnect.
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Don't fight, don't do
anything, reconnect with me.
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So here is Rene
and God advices me,
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coaches me, He's
gonna take you back.
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But you're my queen,
you're My baby, you're My child.
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Amen. You live to please Me.
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So don't you allow to devil
to make you feel like I'm out
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and go boo hoo him back home.
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You are not an abandoned woman,
you're a cherish woman by Me.
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You got to say that again.
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Because you got
to say that again
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because somebody does go back
and that victim thing and he--
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the God didn't tell you that.
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God said you need to
remember who you are.
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You are child of
God, cherish by God.
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It not only a child
of God and cherish by God
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as something that
we intellectually know.
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If you're having an
experience of not knowing
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how to do and to know
that you're cherished.
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I would like to
say, lay down flat
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wherever you're on
the grass and the water
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and your bed, on the
carpet and say Lord, take me.
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All that I've known is
abuse or the street men your
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physically, your
emotionally, your disconnection.
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I don't know You but I'm
hearing something very weird
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that You want to
live inside of me
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and I'm here, I'm
coming, take over.
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Take over and He's so
good because I could go
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in to the house, an empty house
that has been a den of demons.
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Of darkness entering in peace
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and in joy with angels and light
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and joy and
celebrating because He's coming.
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One day, my husband
will be filled with God.
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Amen. And it
took quite some time.
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So I want to say
because Rene, once you said
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it took quite
some time so in the car
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there wasn't this
instantaneous change in the car.
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But I would like you to take us
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on the journey with the change.
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What happened?
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I didn't even understand
what was going on in the car.
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And but I did experience
that reconnecting, you know,
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first I want to put my arms
around her and I was fearful
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so eventually she
was touching my hand
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and grassing my hand and my arm.
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And I felt something inside.
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I cannot explain it,
it is something beautiful
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but it was just a
feeling, you know,
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and I know it was God's
working it but God cannot--
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usually would not change us
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or what in an
instant, He can do it.
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But it's better if we
learn to move step by step
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into the new
experience with God.
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So it took me long time
eventually I came back home
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and it was not easy.
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It was still very hard. Okay.
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And it was very hard
for Alvy and but we kept on
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trying to move in
the right direction.
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And I began studying things.
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I began preparing materials
that would help me to change.
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And I began connecting
with God more and more.
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And it took-- it
still taking time now
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I mean we're doing it now.
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We're in recovery.
I know. I love that.
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We are in-- but that's the most
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honest thing I
think about recovery.
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Is it not that we're
going to away but a destination.
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No, no. We're got to
be honest day to day.
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There is no
graduation on this course.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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You see no graduations
so let's keep them going.
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And we now as but we
try to be very faithful
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in taking time everyday.
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What did you do
with the resentment
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and you're the way
that you shut things off?
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Is that-- I would
love to hear. Yes.
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Well, I had to learn myself
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and now we teach
wherever we go churches, school
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different places how
to eliminate resentment.
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Because if you have
resentment in your heart
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and that will destroy you.
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And actually we
speak not only resentment.
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Resentment is the
beginning of the destruction.
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If you have resentment
and you do not deal with it
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you will have another
"R" which is resistance.
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You begin put in the
breaks in to that relationship.
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You don't bless
the other person,
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you don't do the
things as you did before.
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And it could
become a very slow process
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but you'll see more and more
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that the breaks on the
breaks on relationship.
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And you felt that from Rene.
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In our relationship if
Rene got upset over something
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very small he could
raise the defenses, accuse me
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and spend a month or
two months or three months
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almost without talking to me.
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Sleeping to his
side with a heart
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and not wanting to have
anything to do when he--
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Yeah, go ahead.
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When he
returned it was very hard
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because he return
as he left even worse.
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You have the habits. Right.
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You have the habits. Exactly.
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And we need to acknowledge,
identify and work with that.
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Now let me give you the third
step in the wrong direction.
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We have
resentment, we have resistance
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and the next one is rejection.
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And you begin to
disconnect from the person.
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You begin to live your own
life of apart from the person.
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You say, I don't want
to be with you. Right.
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And you begin
having your own times.
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Well, that be computer,
television, books you go
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you don't come back, anything.
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I can do my life, I don't--
I can do my own reference.
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You're not going
to direct that. Yeah.
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And the rejection
is a lot of arrogance.
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I'm doing this
because I'm better than you
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and I don't want
anything to do with you.
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In a simple way what to do
with that when we teach people
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is first of all we
need to humble ourself
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so acknowledge the
reality of two or three hours
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everybody has it to certain
degree with some situations.
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That's I mean husband and wife--
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So you're even
saying don't label it,
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don't label it good or bad.
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Just acknowledge
it. Acknowledge it.
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You know how can
I bring it to God?
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How can I bring it to
light if I can't acknowledge it?
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Yeah, we need to
acknowledge it first of all
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and then you need to
recognize this is sin.
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Yeah. Because
that's not God's way.
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And you bring it to God
and you say please forgive me.
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Give me the opposite. Now
what would be the opposite?
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Love, cherishing,
caring, helping. Reconnecting.
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Reconnecting, you
see all of those things.
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And then you need to
move in that direction.
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You need to do the
things that you need to do.
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And you begin thinking
God will give you ideas.
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God will give you
the desire to do it.
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He will take away
that constant thinking
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that it goes on in your
mind when you have resentment,
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resistance and
rejection, you see.
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And when you're
able to identify that
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confess it to God,
ask for the opposite
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and you begin doing the
opposite not just asking.
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And that I love
your emphasis on that.
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Is that whether you feel it
or not if there's no action,
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if there's no called action
if there's no behavioral change
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then you may fool
yourself for a while
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but you're not gonna change.
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You're not gonna-- the
Holy Spirit cannot move you
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until you start
to lift your foot up.
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And one thing
that is very important
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to understand Cheri, is that--
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the Word of God says
that Satan is a liar.
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And one of the lies of
Satan is if you don't feel love,
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if you don't feel tenderness
and if you touch a person
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allowing God to putting you
the tenderness and the kindness
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but you don't feel
it you are a hypocrite.
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And that's a
lie. And that's a lie.
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At that moment
you've to choose--
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But you are an
obedient person to God. Yeah.
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So you know unfold that
for us because you know that,
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that lie is ramped.
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That lie holds us
captive of acting on thoughts
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and feelings that are not
from God because God says give.
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Yeah.
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I have given to you,
you give us I have given--
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but I don't feel
like it doesn't matter,
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is in the act of giving
that you receive more of me.
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And there is where
everything comes restore in you
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and you'll become
open channel for that grace
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to help others to act
out in their path of grace.
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And even understand it to me
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I would love
when to say that Alvy,
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is that as that
grace flows to this person
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that you're reaching
that to there's healing
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that happens for you.
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Yeah. Oh, yes.
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You cannot heal
when God is working.
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Is the only way we're
being restored with God
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as if really give you
really receive the grace of God.
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And how is it is to give
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when the person
is loving and kind.
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It's so easy.
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But the test of we
are truly receiving God
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is when we have nothing
to give and we don't feel it.
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Yeah. He's saying,
okay, Lord, I understand.
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This is the
Gethsemane the turning point
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between life and death.
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Yeah, this is what
Christ himself swiped life.
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Where I a dead bone of that part
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of there valley of dead
bones, I have nothing, no more.
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It doesn't
matter where I grow up,
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how much I knew God.
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If I'm not willing to
love, to forgive, to be kind,
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to offer grace and
this is what it enlarges
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but the Bible
course I have attend
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in reality is God sentry.
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Imagine one with immensity
of God's heart and joy and love
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and in all that
He has enhance things
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He begins to
pour it to the world.
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You know Cheri,
when we travel we see
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so many families and couples
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particularly
couples that are struggling.
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And yes, it is
true that sometimes
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the separation is necessary
and we acknowledge that.
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It's sometimes safety.
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Yes, when there is
emotional or physical violence
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we actually in
sometimes encourage separation.
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Notice that I did not say
divorce, I said separation.
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Because only God will tell
you exactly if it is divorce
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what you need to do or
not but most of the time
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we take those occasions
as a open door for divorce.
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When in reality all
God wants is to heal us
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and to restore
their relationships.
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And at the moment we
need to put protection
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but then we need to
work with that situation.
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And when the persons
are willing to listen to God
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and understand His
ways it may take time,
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it took years for us
but God can do a work
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that will be amazingly powerful.
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And what I think I have to say
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because I'm
watching the two of you.
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If somebody says I'm--
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I just seeking tired of
the fact that is always me.
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I'm always the one
has to do it like--
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you must have
felt that for years
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and that's another
lie from the enemy.
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Be grateful that at
least somebody sees it,
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somebody gets it.
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Somebody could respond
in love at any given time.
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And one of the things
that I'd like to offer
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to is that we're
presenting this battle ground
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and this possibility of
total restoration in oneness
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with God and with one another
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in the context of a
husband, wife relationship.
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But is the same
for any relationship.
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Parent, children,
siblings any one especially
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in defend of a family you know
the different circumstances.
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God is waiting for us to enter
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and to be the
one, the first one.
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In board medians.
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If the power of
one person that decides
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this is the path
that I'm choosing
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but is not for
us to know the end.
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For some there will
be restoration in healing
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in the
relationships for some or not.
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Exactly.
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Is not for us to
know but God says
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you perceive
your and be faithful.
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Yeah. That's all
the you need to do.
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There is a situation
that we've worked with
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that even with
in the relationship
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some one dies in the
midst of their addiction
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and you will sit there and say
but I thought I did everything.
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Don't even do that.
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Don't torment
yourself in that way.
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Do what you can at
that time and then trust
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there's gonna be a time
that God and you will hang out
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and you realize this
is what actually happened.
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Cheri, the issue
about rest and peace
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it's not about being
in control of the outcome.
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It's in doing what is right
in relationship with the Lord
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moment by moment and resting
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and leaving the
consequences with God.
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Incredible. We're gonna
go ahead and take a break.
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We're gonna come back.
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Would you guys stay
with me for the close?
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Okay. Okay,
we're gonna come back.
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I would like to ask if
Rene and Alvy will pray for us
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and just bless us as
we close off this program.
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Stay with us.
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