The following program
discusses sensitive issues
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related to addictive behavior.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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Welcome back.
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You know, it's really
interesting as I travel,
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I get to meet families
that are just incredible
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in the way they stand up,
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in the way they love each other.
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And when I say
that a lot of times
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somebody will say, you know,
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here they probably
haven't gone through
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what I've gone through.
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You know, not true.
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I don't know if
I've met a family
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that doesn't have something
that they are dealing with.
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And so you know
we're talking today
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about belief and holding on
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and you know how it changes us
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and brings healing into our life
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and I can
understand that there is a God
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bigger than all my stuff
that is on top of things.
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That He's got His hand on me.
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And so I want to introduce
you to a friend of mine,
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Alvy Quispe.
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And you're from
California. That's right.
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You're from
California originally?
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No, from Uruguay, South America.
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Okay.
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You've been here for how
long? California for how long?
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Oh, since 1990.
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Okay. Yes.
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When I talked to you about--
you heard me talking about
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belief and Abby the little girl
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and the
importance of holding on.
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You know, how do
you relate to that?
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I relate to that in a
different way for the fact
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that I was raised
in a Christian home
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where I was
nurtured faith and belief.
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And I learned to trust God
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and yet God was so far
away somewhere in the sky
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and I was this
little girl down as here
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and I didn't know who Christ is.
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I was the
youngest in the family.
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And my sisters were so beautiful
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and so appreciated
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and then I had a brother
before me and he was adore
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and I was just little last one
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and I didn't know where to fit.
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And so I went to
sleep almost every night
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because I didn't know where to
fit in the family and with God.
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Was I good
enough, perfect enough?
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And I-- Pretty enough.
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I was pretty enough. Oh, man.
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I was most chubby
and you know, anyhow.
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I didn't have the nice
voice that my sisters have.
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And I was that but I
pressed on to the Bible
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and I started
reading the Bible very young.
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And I read the Bible every year
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and I would have
prayed and ask God.
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Please Lord, where are You?
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And where do thoughts come from?
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Why do I feel that
I'm stupid and dump?
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Why do I feel that I hate You?
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Well, how do--
why do I feel like
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I want to kick my brother?
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And I did it. But I
wanted to relate Jesus.
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So what a
confusion between faith
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who God is, needn't to be
like Jesus, not being like Him.
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And being afraid
that I would be lost.
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And even when you say
that for this little girl,
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you know, you
couldn't have had any concept
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of how the
frustration or the sadness
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or the disconnect related
to your behavioral activity.
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I mean, no concept at all.
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And so you know, to me
I'm wanting to halt her
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and I'm wanting to say amen.
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Yeah.
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And I have the
Bible and the Bible
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just says this
is all about light.
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I mean, light in darkness. Yeah.
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And not getting how
to get through things
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and then I grew up and
since like I was growing up,
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my problems became bigger.
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I became ill.
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They would tell me
that it was only in my mind
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that I was crazy and
I was literally dying.
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I say, went through academy.
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I, high school and
then I took nurses training
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just to find out what I had.
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Because you knew
it was something real.
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Yeah. This is-- I'm sick.
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Really? Yeah. Yeah.
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And I thought I had cancer.
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In the last year
they discovered what I had
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and they did surgery.
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And they took the
tumor out. It was malignant.
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But the trauma
of being go crazy,
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all the teenage
years and even up to 21,
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nobody takes care of that.
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So you, you shrink
more into the little girl
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that is lost
thought my body is growing
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and I'm supposed
to be mature and okay.
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And I'm hanging
on to God but I'm--
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And functional because you said
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I went to nursing training.
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So you literally
going through education
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doing all that kind of stuff.
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And so if
somebody was on the outside
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looking at your life, it
was progressing like it should.
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Yes. And now it's like ugh!
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It looked good--
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You know, and you just--
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sometimes I want
to scream at that
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because I want to-- we
kind of walk by each other
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and have no idea the
stuff that we have in our hearts
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and the things
that are eating at us.
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Yes.
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I mean, if we did we
would be holding each other
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and smiling at each other
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and slowing down with
each other a little bit.
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I wish there was
like a kindergarten
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quilt these things can
be explained to everybody.
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Correct.
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Anyhow and I'm in
the last year of nursing
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when I met this adorable man.
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Oh, man, I was
so in love with him.
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I had to be
caught him with my eyes
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and my heart for a whole
year before he knew I existed.
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Oh.
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And then he met me
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and I'm coming
out of this problem
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with a surgery and all that.
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And he looks at me
Cheri, and he tell me,
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oh, you're so
precious and I love you
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and I'm gonna take care of you.
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And he listened to
me and held my hands.
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And your whole
heart just healed.
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I could-- I could sense
even the healing as you speak.
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It was so
beautiful. It was so beautiful.
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It is the little
thing he even decided--
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he was in the
university next to the hospital
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where I was taking
the nurses training.
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Rules that didn't allow
to cross in and all of that
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and he decided to have an
appendectomy in the hospital
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just to be closer to me.
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Okay.
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That's a little odd
but really romantic.
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Oh, yes, very romantic.
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You should have
saved that little,
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little piece of
his body in a jar.
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Wouldn't he
love that? All right.
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And so we got married, okay.
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And after we got
married he was like the guy,
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he was
teaching, he was studying,
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his friends, and
things began to change.
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He was beautiful
but became resentful
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and detach and withdraw
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and I'm going what is happening?
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Right.
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Years went by, we
came to the United States
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and we pastor.
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Did you have children?
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So-- yes, we had
two beautiful children.
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And so Cynthia and Edgar
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and here we're
pastoring churches
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but this guy is
getting more angry with me
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and very upset and
beating on me for more stuff.
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And telling me that not
even God could change me
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and that there
was no hope for me
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and all that I had
learned in the Bible
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that is so
beautiful about God loving me
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and giving me hope,
that there is hope for me.
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It was like my ministry
was taken it away from me
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and I began to shrink.
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Again.
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Emotionally,
mentally, spiritually.
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At first I thought it
I became like a tigress.
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No, like Job. No, it's not true.
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I'm good.
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There is
something good about me.
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Look at yourself.
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And no, he was a pastor.
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He was educated besides
that he was getting our PhD
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and family and
marriage counseling.
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He knew everything.
I didn't know anything.
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So a lot of
emotional abuse, mental abuse--
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And we're talking
about even belief.
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So the belief that you had
has a little girl is the one--
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Was disappearing.
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And now I'm literally--
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It was disappearing
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because when
someone abuses somebody
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and steals from you
what God is giving you,
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you begin to doubt yourself.
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Something begins to disappear
and I began to disintegrate.
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I began to enter
into suicidal depression.
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And it was like
demons were shouting at me.
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You're no good.
You're good for nothing.
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You're junk and even God,
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all this that
you're in is a lie.
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And I would read and cry
and the devil would take it.
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And so demons would
shout on me in my head.
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Right.
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Curse God and kill yourself.
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Just about that--
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When you say, Alvy, when you say
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demons and I hate to
even approach this topic
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because people get
really freaked out about that.
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But you know literally
we have an enemy that says,
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I am His
relentless, he's relentless.
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And when you shout
out even the Word of God
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when it's so
important I think at that time
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to just really kind
of hold on what you know
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about the truth
and what God is saying.
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There's a time when we
slide into the darkness
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and we like, oh, that truth
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and just start
to believe the lies.
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Yeah.
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And that is that
power of darkness
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that is all around us.
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And if anybody has a problem
with believing in this forces
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and demonic force, we
should not be freaked out.
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We should accept
that there is a reality
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but there is a greater reality
in the light and in truth
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and in faith that God
can deliver us from this.
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And so there is
that constant conflict
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over every human being.
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Why where you
there where you were?
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Because somebody took you there
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and didn't want you
to come out from there.
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And so the issue
of believe in faith
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is what this dark power is
trying to take away from us
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though it was given
to us even as children.
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Amen, so at this
point in your life
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that darkness is starting
to-- tell them all around you.
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But I discovered
something in the Word of God
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in John 14 versus--
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"Let not your
heart be in trouble."
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I'm going to prepare a place
for you but I'm coming back.
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But later on He
says, the Father is in Me.
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God the Father is in
Jesus and Jesus is in the Father
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and they said and we
will come and abiding you.
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And it just blew me
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because I had read
that so many times.
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But God now was in
large and He did making it
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so full of light
and said, we, papa God.
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Jesus your Savior,
through the Holy Spirit
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are coming to dwell in you,
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to restore what
it was lost one day.
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Amen.
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And I grasped
that. Hold on to that.
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And I had cling to--
that's belief in truth
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the truth that I did
not understand before.
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For me until then God
is there, Jesus is there,
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everything happens far away.
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All of a sudden
heaven comes down
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and He sat inside of me.
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So-- and this next question
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because I
somewhat know the answer.
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Is did everything get
better because of that?
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No.
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One day I come
home and I had been just
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doing a mediation, a situation
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where a pastor
had been unfaithful
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and dealing with the other
part that had been affected
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and there was
cover up and I was mad,
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I was actually--
We cannot do this,
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we need to have
people to deal with honesty
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with their issues.
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And I faced my
husband and I said,
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if you ever dare to be
unfaithful to me that's it.
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The Bible says that
adultery, that's it.
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Yeah. We have a reason to split.
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So I may not split because of
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what is going on
in the house though,
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the abuse was so terrible
but the adultery will do it.
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And at that
moment God spoke to me.
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If you believe that
God speaks in your mind,
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in your thoughts and
makes this so evidence,
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so clear, the light
enters and explains things
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and He said,
Alvy, you're asking Me
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to fill you with myself.
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You have no concept
of what it is to love
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the way I loved.
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Oh, I knew you're gonna
say that because that's huge.
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Where God says is,
this is gonna be tough.
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This is gonna get
darker before it get better
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and I'm asking you to
love him like I love you.
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And I-- you know,
even as you're saying that,
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you know, what I want to say?
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Don't say it because that's so--
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how do we do
that as human beings?
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When he said do
you really want Me?
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This is whole thing that divides
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the issue of believe and faith
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and God and human beings.
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Do you really want Me?
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And I said, yes. Yeah.
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I said you're going
to go through things
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and then I knew,
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you're going
someday to experience things
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that you will not like.
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But you need to go through
that to learn how I love,
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how I forgive, how I'm merciful.
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How I'm kind. Do you want that?
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And I said, Lord, I bow down.
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I want you. I want you.
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I want you.
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And so now things
didn't get better,
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they got worse now.
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The abuse-- You know, now.
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Alvy, I've just have
to say for a lot of us.
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You know, we come
into our Christianity.
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When we come into a walk
in we have this sense that,
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okay, I'm gonna do that
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and all it's gonna
be a piece of cake.
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And I think that
we don't realize it.
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God is trying to
take-- we're so twisted
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and we believe so
many lies and He says,
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to get you out from
underneath all of that,
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it's gonna be painful
but I will be faithful
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but you have to trust Me now.
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It's gonna feel really dark.
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And what you are
saying to Him is okay,
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I may not know
anything right now
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but I will hold on to your hand.
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That's right.
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Yeah, I believe that
the God of my fathers,
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of my ancestors,
the God of Abraham,
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the God of Jacob
was gonna walk with me
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and He was going
to fulfill the promise
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of the dwelling God.
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They are taking over
that where I surrender
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and He is in me
and not I anymore.
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And it is-- I have
to stay right now--
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You know, that
there is women and men
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that are in
abusive relationships,
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that are probably crying as
they are hearing you right now.
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Because you can say it in a way
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that it sounds
incredible right now
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but that was the most
painful time in your life.
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Does your own
sanity was being questioned
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and your stepping in knowing
that its gonna get worse.
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Yes. Man.
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And the beauty of all of this--
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we are in ministry right,
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and it gets
worse than sometimes,
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I mean, probably giving
seminars with my husband.
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Having stand
there looking beautiful.
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Yes, because you show
up you don't say a word
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and I have a
black eye so they ask
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what's wrong with you.
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What happened? Oh, I
just ran into a door.
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And you just keep
on smiling and keep on
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and you don't give it any thing.
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You don't talk.
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Where does the
pastor's wife goes to talk about
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what is happening with a pastor
that is respected and adore
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and he is going all over in
different parts of the world
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and what he said many times
if the wife opens the mouth
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and says something, says
most likely you are the servant
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because the person
that is so wonderful.
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Of course, you provoke him.
You must have told something.
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Yeah, you provoke
him. It's your fault.
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And that was the worst next step
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I began to believe
that it was all my fault.
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And I trust so hard
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but there was
nothing that I could do.
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Because it wasn't you.
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And escalated and
escalated and so--
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You know, and you
do hear so many stories
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where all the sudden the woman
will make everything perfect
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and the house
perfect and everything clean
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and dress right in,
the act right and whatever
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and teen se got abuse
and they try to look out
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what did I forget
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because I must
have forgot something.
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So the pressure
on trying to do right
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so I don't get abused,
the pressure is off the chart.
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And so--
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And the pressure maybe the worse
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is what is
happening to the children.
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Because they just
are in the background.
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When a man can go both
ways because women abused to,
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okay.
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So when a man abuses a woman
the children are being abused
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and they don't
have the skills to--
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if I didn't have the
skills to process my emotions
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with anybody
children don't either.
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They just covered
in all that adrenaline
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begins to work in
their little brains
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and do a lot of ugly stuff.
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Even because the
devil is very strategic
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and when he gets
into the life of a child
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during that situation
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but there is a
recent study that I saw that
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said that a lot
of same sex relations
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or homosexual
relationships are chosen,
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that lifestyle is chosen
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because they are
repulse by their parents
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real sexual relationship.
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I was so repulse by
how a man treats a woman
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or woman treats a man
that I don't want that
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and they step
into a whole lifestyle
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because of that.
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So we really do
affect our children.
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Whether it's with
anger, with drugs,
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with sexual orientation,
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all of that
stuff is gonna come in.
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And I love you son.
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Him and I've
gotten to work together.
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He is an incredible man of God.
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Yes, please.
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My both children are precious.
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He was and I haven't
met your daughter yet
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but you know, he was affected.
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Yes, both offensively affected.
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Okay, if we move forward,
at first the children were
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very upset with dad
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and my daughter specially wanted
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that I would divorce
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and protect
them from all of this
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and but then as they grew up
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and that became
more openly rebellious
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to lifestyle and other things.
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Children begin to
side with dad, against mom.
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Yeah. And it was held at home.
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I could hardly open
my mouth to say anything
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that I was told to be quiet.
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If I didn't
like it I could leave
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and he could from anybody.
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I could not ask
for favors or anything
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and so I asked
God in my brokenness,
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in my darkness,
in my imperfection
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because I was not perfect.
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Many times I
scream and I shouted,
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I did in cars I did in--
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but I screamed this is not fair.
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You're wrong.
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And God would say
go now and apologize
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because that is not My spirit.
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You didn't scream.
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And I was like look at them.
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I'm so not gonna
apologize with them.
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And no God,
00:20:47.21\00:20:50.14
but that was not me and
you want the fullness of Me
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so you go and apologize.
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Oh, just get out of here.
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You know, you always apologize
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but you'll never make
it, you'll never change.
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Okay.
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And so I'm having
these, these all in the house.
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And one day my
husband comes, he is precious.
00:21:09.26\00:21:14.03
You know him, he
looks like an angel.
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He does.
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And so he sits down
next to me on the bed.
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You would never guess
any of that looking at him
00:21:23.88\00:21:26.16
and looking at you guys
when you're out of the house.
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You-- nobody would
have ever guess anything.
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All our family thought
we were the perfect couple.
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We were admiring in the churches
00:21:34.37\00:21:36.49
and we were
admired by the family.
00:21:36.52\00:21:39.23
And so I knew
something was very wrong.
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I realized I
questioned my husband,
00:21:42.55\00:21:45.34
he was being unfaithful
00:21:45.37\00:21:47.18
and here start
the years of lying
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and covering up and
blaming and justifying.
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So he was being unfaithful?
He was being unfaithful.
00:21:54.74\00:21:56.94
But it's a
question of doubt again.
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Yes.
00:21:58.09\00:21:59.14
And I remember
the day he sit down
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on the bed by my side
00:22:01.90\00:22:04.61
and he said, I
have come to believe
00:22:04.64\00:22:10.01
that probably I never left you.
00:22:10.04\00:22:14.62
Because I could have
never done this, you know,
00:22:14.65\00:22:21.02
but he has not
admitted that I just don't think
00:22:21.05\00:22:23.52
I love you anymore.
00:22:23.55\00:22:28.36
So he never
admitted it to me for years.
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I had evidence,
letters, phone calls,
00:22:31.16\00:22:36.75
I even when
discovered the phones
00:22:36.78\00:22:39.70
called this precious lady
00:22:39.73\00:22:42.24
and said you know, I lied.
00:22:42.27\00:22:47.27
She said I'm a
friend of Dr. Quispe
00:22:47.30\00:22:52.31
and I know you are hurting
him so much and his family.
00:22:52.34\00:22:55.85
Why don't you back off? Please.
00:22:55.88\00:22:59.09
But who is to blame.
00:23:03.81\00:23:05.83
So, over phone, oh,
no, we are just friends.
00:23:05.86\00:23:08.71
We went through
this for five years
00:23:15.92\00:23:21.19
and I was told by counselors
00:23:21.22\00:23:26.54
and people within
the church, leaders
00:23:26.57\00:23:29.85
I'll be divorced.
00:23:29.88\00:23:31.07
Yeah, just leave him.
00:23:31.10\00:23:32.65
Bible says you
can leave him. Yeah.
00:23:32.68\00:23:36.00
And I had to ask God.
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Many times that we cry
and lay down on the carpet
00:23:41.33\00:23:45.17
and pound on
the carpet sometimes
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I would be
driving, crying in the car
00:23:47.94\00:23:50.91
and banging the steering wheel
Lord, I cannot take it anymore.
00:23:50.94\00:23:54.21
And He would
always tell me, I know.
00:23:54.24\00:23:57.71
I know you
cannot take it anymore
00:23:57.74\00:24:00.07
but I'll give you strength.
00:24:00.10\00:24:03.71
You know, what I
love when you say that
00:24:03.74\00:24:06.01
because you said God,
kind of just letting you know,
00:24:06.04\00:24:09.01
you know, I've done
that with you guys forever.
00:24:09.04\00:24:12.69
I mean, children of Israel,
00:24:12.72\00:24:13.86
I mean, now when He
talk about Hosea and Gomer.
00:24:13.89\00:24:17.10
You know, I've
watched you chase after lovers
00:24:17.13\00:24:19.27
or addictions
that have never worked
00:24:19.30\00:24:21.56
and God himself says I scream.
00:24:21.59\00:24:24.14
Because it pains Me so much
00:24:24.17\00:24:26.30
to watch you so
self destructive.
00:24:26.33\00:24:28.42
But I can't stop chasing you.
00:24:28.45\00:24:30.44
And He is telling
you to do that for Rene.
00:24:30.47\00:24:32.70
And he was your
strength and he was my strength.
00:24:32.73\00:24:36.41
We didn't know.
00:24:36.44\00:24:38.22
He is the one that has move us
00:24:38.25\00:24:40.65
out of where we were
and taken us through it
00:24:40.68\00:24:43.49
into that
restoration of oneness with Him.
00:24:43.52\00:24:47.35
You're path, my path
everybody's is a different path
00:24:47.38\00:24:50.65
but he is the same path
back to oneness with God.
00:24:50.68\00:24:53.91
So during this time
you are holding on him.
00:24:53.94\00:24:56.29
I'm holding on and here
comes until to divorce him
00:24:56.32\00:25:01.06
because God does not
work against a human--
00:25:01.09\00:25:05.56
the human beings will.
00:25:05.59\00:25:09.58
So if my husband Rene
doesn't have a will to change
00:25:09.61\00:25:16.01
God will not work against that
00:25:16.04\00:25:19.65
and when they
told that repeatedly
00:25:19.68\00:25:23.98
God would become like--
00:25:24.01\00:25:25.42
the spirit of God would
become set inside of me.
00:25:25.45\00:25:28.58
And will say when
I come back to earth
00:25:28.61\00:25:30.70
will I find faith
00:25:30.73\00:25:32.87
that I can't change
the will of human beings.
00:25:32.90\00:25:35.90
Do I find faith anywhere?
00:25:35.93\00:25:37.30
Anywhere. Anywhere.
00:25:37.33\00:25:39.39
And so
especially, you know, pastor
00:25:39.42\00:25:41.66
and here comes the
shock of it God says,
00:25:41.69\00:25:45.24
I rather sell My
soul to the devil
00:25:45.27\00:25:47.96
than love a woman like you.
00:25:47.99\00:25:50.67
I read that would be
lost and I asked God Lord,
00:25:50.70\00:25:54.17
where is my husband.
00:25:54.20\00:25:55.57
He says, he is lost.
00:25:55.60\00:25:57.88
Because he untie himself for me.
00:25:57.91\00:26:02.90
And I stay there and
say what do I do with that?
00:26:02.93\00:26:05.74
He says this is not
about your marriage,
00:26:05.77\00:26:08.45
this is about the
salvation of a human being
00:26:08.48\00:26:10.95
in which you are intertwined.
00:26:10.98\00:26:13.12
Okay, so what do
You want me to do?
00:26:13.15\00:26:15.11
I just want to read
because this is about your soul
00:26:15.14\00:26:17.89
and I love him.
00:26:17.92\00:26:19.41
Yes.
00:26:19.44\00:26:20.66
And He says-- I said
to Him would you gain me.
00:26:20.69\00:26:25.08
But as a woman I can't imagine--
00:26:25.11\00:26:27.67
I can't even imagine because I--
00:26:27.70\00:26:30.37
I can't even
imagine that I don't know
00:26:30.40\00:26:31.95
how the Lord did it.
00:26:31.98\00:26:33.70
Like any other woman I
wanted to say run, run,
00:26:33.73\00:26:36.56
but God is saying no.
00:26:36.59\00:26:37.96
Yeah.
00:26:37.99\00:26:39.02
I was so three years--
that he stuff out of the house,
00:26:39.05\00:26:42.21
locked the doors.
00:26:42.24\00:26:43.66
So it. Yeah, glad.
00:26:43.69\00:26:46.24
Anyway me out of that thing.
00:26:46.27\00:26:47.39
We wanted you all
the-- do all those things.
00:26:47.42\00:26:49.43
Did anybody wanted--
00:26:49.46\00:26:50.55
The devil we can't see
anything instead of us.
00:26:50.58\00:26:51.61
Does anybody want a
new car for like a buck,
00:26:51.64\00:26:54.23
have this one.
00:26:54.26\00:26:55.52
You know, its like we
do want to do those things.
00:26:55.55\00:26:57.26
We want to get revenge
for and we want to get better
00:26:57.29\00:26:59.41
and this is not fair
and all of the things
00:26:59.44\00:27:01.90
that the devil would say is
00:27:01.93\00:27:03.05
I could totally
take both of you down
00:27:03.08\00:27:04.75
if you chose to do that.
00:27:04.78\00:27:05.81
Right.
00:27:05.84\00:27:06.88
And God is saying
please, please, please.
00:27:06.91\00:27:08.33
Yeah.
00:27:08.36\00:27:09.39
And this is what God said,
00:27:09.42\00:27:11.09
you will not necessarily be lost
00:27:11.12\00:27:14.68
and separated from
Me if you divorce Rene.
00:27:14.71\00:27:19.37
But Rene would be lost
and thousand of others,
00:27:19.40\00:27:24.68
thousands of others
who when you are reconcile
00:27:24.71\00:27:29.89
and you share you testimony
00:27:29.92\00:27:31.89
will enter into
belief and you will be saved.
00:27:31.92\00:27:36.24
So He really gave
you, He really gave you
00:27:36.27\00:27:39.02
something to look
at and believe in.
00:27:39.05\00:27:42.70
Yes.
00:27:42.73\00:27:43.76
This is what-- my
plan is to bring you there.
00:27:43.79\00:27:46.82
Yes.
00:27:46.85\00:27:47.88
My plan is to not only restore
00:27:47.91\00:27:49.66
but bring
restoration to lives around you.
00:27:49.69\00:27:52.45
By the mind usually
Cheri, all that is conversations
00:27:52.48\00:27:55.36
in the mind between God and you
00:27:55.39\00:27:58.14
based on the word and
you know he is authentic
00:27:58.17\00:28:01.58
and yet darkness
will comeback and say,
00:28:01.61\00:28:04.99
you created it.
00:28:05.02\00:28:06.33
He is liar. Why?
00:28:06.36\00:28:08.65
No, you are
lock-- key is locked--
00:28:08.68\00:28:10.98
yes you are correct.
00:28:11.01\00:28:12.32
You are correct totally.
00:28:12.35\00:28:14.02
But so I ask God you give me
something in the word of God.
00:28:14.05\00:28:17.31
In your word
Lord, that will tell me
00:28:17.34\00:28:20.43
that You are able
to change human will.
00:28:20.46\00:28:26.32
I love you. All right, let's go.
00:28:26.35\00:28:28.77
Let's go.
00:28:28.80\00:28:29.90
So here is my
Bible Cheri, here it is,
00:28:29.93\00:28:33.23
it says Ezekiel Chapter 36
00:28:33.26\00:28:35.55
and there is a
verse in chapter--
00:28:35.58\00:28:37.44
in verse 26 that
says, you read it.
00:28:37.47\00:28:39.62
No, I don't have my
glasses you read it.
00:28:39.65\00:28:40.71
Okay.
00:28:40.74\00:28:41.93
But I would love
those glasses are beautiful.
00:28:41.96\00:28:43.80
"A new heart
also will I give you,
00:28:43.83\00:28:45.84
and a new spirit
will I put within you
00:28:45.87\00:28:47.87
and I will take
away the stony heart
00:28:47.90\00:28:50.51
out of your flesh, and I will
give you an heart of flesh."
00:28:50.54\00:28:54.05
And I said, okay,
Lord, I know that one since
00:28:54.08\00:28:57.17
I was a kid this is what
I ask you for me now what?
00:28:57.20\00:29:01.12
And He says, read it in context.
00:29:01.15\00:29:03.54
So I go up to verse 20 and says,
00:29:03.57\00:29:07.15
"And when they
entered unto the heathen,
00:29:07.18\00:29:09.10
whither they went,
they profaned my holy name,"
00:29:09.13\00:29:12.67
you continue and
says, adulterous generation.
00:29:12.70\00:29:17.95
He says you
husband is an adulator
00:29:17.98\00:29:20.31
not adulatory only with a woman
00:29:20.34\00:29:22.69
he is adulatory
with a foreign spirit
00:29:22.72\00:29:25.29
opposite to My spirit.
00:29:25.32\00:29:28.01
So the adulators of the woman
00:29:28.04\00:29:30.36
is a within context
of this major adultery.
00:29:30.39\00:29:34.59
And so here is God saying,
00:29:34.62\00:29:37.40
to these generation of adulators
00:29:37.43\00:29:39.60
which includes me,
includes my husband,
00:29:39.63\00:29:41.41
you, every human being
00:29:41.44\00:29:43.18
I'm gonna cleanse you
from all your filthiness
00:29:43.21\00:29:46.85
and I'm gonna
give you a new heart,
00:29:46.88\00:29:48.91
which means His
heart and a new spirit
00:29:48.94\00:29:51.58
which means His spirit
00:29:51.61\00:29:52.99
and I'm gonna
restore it unto you
00:29:53.02\00:29:55.02
everything that the lockers,
00:29:55.05\00:29:56.88
that's a word for Satan
with a power of darkness
00:29:56.91\00:29:59.80
has taken from you.
00:29:59.83\00:30:01.14
Everything that your drugs,
your adulatory, your lying,
00:30:01.17\00:30:04.47
your manipulation all of
that stuff has brought you and--
00:30:04.50\00:30:07.58
He is gonna take
it that filthiness
00:30:07.61\00:30:10.23
and then he says and I'm gonna
make you like a Garden of Eden.
00:30:10.26\00:30:14.52
I'm gonna restore
everything inside of you.
00:30:14.55\00:30:17.38
Everything that is
pure and lovely and kind
00:30:17.41\00:30:20.43
and healthy and
restful and peaceful
00:30:20.46\00:30:23.29
and faith in our
relationship with me
00:30:23.32\00:30:25.67
I'm gonna give you everything
with Me instead of you.
00:30:25.70\00:30:29.47
And then He says
something marvelous.
00:30:29.50\00:30:31.65
He says then you will repent.
00:30:31.68\00:30:34.13
And I go what do you mean, Lord?
00:30:34.16\00:30:35.95
And He says, don't you
realize that your husband
00:30:35.98\00:30:38.40
without having My spirit inside
00:30:38.43\00:30:40.47
he can admit
that he is doing wrong
00:30:40.50\00:30:43.96
but he cannot
be truly repentant.
00:30:43.99\00:30:46.35
My husband for
years didn't have a tear
00:30:46.38\00:30:48.44
about what was happening to me.
00:30:48.47\00:30:51.41
I deserved it,
it was all my fault
00:30:51.44\00:30:54.54
and he had a hard heart.
00:30:54.57\00:30:56.43
Right.
00:30:56.46\00:30:57.49
And so repentance I
understood at that moment
00:30:57.52\00:31:01.31
was not something that
I could demand or expect
00:31:01.34\00:31:04.07
but I would be
foolish to even expect that
00:31:04.10\00:31:06.84
he one night would come
in and say, oh, I'm so sorry.
00:31:06.87\00:31:10.69
No, it would not happen. Until--
00:31:10.72\00:31:13.14
Till God said,
even like us right now
00:31:13.17\00:31:15.41
when we are far away from
God we don't even understand
00:31:15.44\00:31:18.12
how we are hurting
each other and God.
00:31:18.15\00:31:19.93
Until we draw closer
we're not gonna get it.
00:31:19.96\00:31:22.31
And then we see it and we see it
00:31:22.34\00:31:24.15
and this were the
relation at that who were we.
00:31:24.18\00:31:26.63
I thought I was so good.
00:31:26.66\00:31:28.25
I thought I knew
how to love Rene.
00:31:28.28\00:31:29.99
No, I had the
same problem as he did
00:31:30.02\00:31:33.62
but took
different path that's all.
00:31:33.65\00:31:37.27
And so I kept on
reading and reading
00:31:37.30\00:31:39.42
and then I found out
verse here that says,
00:31:39.45\00:31:41.89
for these shall the
house of Israel ask me
00:31:41.92\00:31:46.66
and I will do it.
00:31:46.69\00:31:48.15
And I say what do you mean?
00:31:48.18\00:31:49.77
All this that you
just read is the prophecy
00:31:49.80\00:31:53.14
and its a promise and
if you ask me I will do it.
00:31:53.17\00:31:57.78
And I say, who is
the house of Israel
00:31:57.81\00:31:59.92
that follow after my heart?
00:31:59.95\00:32:02.12
Those that want me,
that's the house of Israel.
00:32:02.15\00:32:05.18
And so you have the right
to ask me and I will do it.
00:32:05.21\00:32:09.76
All of this you can
see it its full of tears,
00:32:09.79\00:32:13.18
they have dates of
different situations
00:32:13.21\00:32:15.69
but then He said--
00:32:15.72\00:32:17.03
I wish that we
could fully-- Share more.
00:32:17.06\00:32:19.98
Yeah, because you
know, what you can sense that
00:32:20.01\00:32:22.68
that you spent a lot
of time on this page.
00:32:22.71\00:32:25.52
And one of things that
the Lord asked me one day
00:32:25.55\00:32:29.91
in which I was
having what it's called
00:32:29.94\00:32:31.81
a mystical encounter.
00:32:31.84\00:32:33.84
One to one alone with God.
00:32:33.87\00:32:36.07
The father, took over
00:32:41.03\00:32:45.26
and He says today
00:32:45.29\00:32:47.82
I have come to offer to you
00:32:47.85\00:32:54.43
whatever I'm ask me.
00:32:54.46\00:32:58.19
I said, give for
Rene and I will give it.
00:32:58.22\00:33:02.98
But as that day
Rene is sleeping around,
00:33:03.01\00:33:08.08
he is not repenting it
00:33:08.11\00:33:10.27
and all of that kind of
stuff and it's really tough
00:33:10.30\00:33:12.81
and I have to ask you as a woman
00:33:12.84\00:33:14.69
because you are asking God
to put love in my heart for him
00:33:14.72\00:33:20.31
when he is not even
accepting or receiving at all.
00:33:20.34\00:33:24.66
And do you know what that meant?
00:33:24.69\00:33:27.27
I had to ask for love to get out
00:33:27.30\00:33:29.19
because I couldn't get up.
00:33:29.22\00:33:30.70
I was so depressed.
00:33:30.73\00:33:32.61
That's like,
you're get out of bed.
00:33:32.64\00:33:34.09
So sleep deprived.
00:33:34.12\00:33:36.28
Its strength as an act of love
00:33:36.31\00:33:38.94
to get dress
and to comb my hair.
00:33:38.97\00:33:42.90
The spirit of love and
joy took it from my husband
00:33:42.93\00:33:48.83
and God said--
00:33:48.86\00:33:50.16
You know, I would-- there
is a part of me that would,
00:33:50.19\00:33:51.61
that wants to say--
00:33:51.64\00:33:53.14
You're rebellious.
00:33:53.17\00:33:54.66
Shoot me but you
know, but then there is--
00:33:54.69\00:33:56.99
but I know you
guys and I know that
00:33:57.02\00:33:59.35
that God just so
are you doing that.
00:33:59.38\00:34:02.18
I mean, you were
honored and Rene was honored
00:34:02.21\00:34:04.60
and your family was
honored by you doing that.
00:34:04.63\00:34:07.76
It is so precious.
00:34:07.79\00:34:09.19
I remember one time Rene came
he was leaving out of the house
00:34:09.22\00:34:13.00
and one night he comes late
and I had asked not to do that
00:34:13.03\00:34:16.70
because I would wake up
and couldn't fall back asleep
00:34:16.73\00:34:19.80
and he can't see
me he is watching TV
00:34:19.83\00:34:22.52
and then I says get up go.
00:34:22.55\00:34:25.91
Don't have strength.
00:34:25.94\00:34:27.38
He says, ask me I
will be your strength.
00:34:27.41\00:34:30.17
And I was like a
bit low literally.
00:34:30.20\00:34:33.33
And now get dress
and comb your hair
00:34:33.36\00:34:37.58
because you cannot be present
yourself in front of Rene
00:34:37.61\00:34:40.48
with your hair standing up,
00:34:40.51\00:34:43.63
I mean, your pair of
pajamas and all that.
00:34:43.66\00:34:46.48
You have to look decent, okay.
00:34:46.51\00:34:48.95
I remember that he sold
a bus saving your husband
00:34:48.98\00:34:52.10
and he has
enough confusion he said
00:34:52.13\00:34:54.61
that if he see you looking ugly
that's enough to reject you.
00:34:54.64\00:34:59.02
So I get ready,
I go to the kitchen
00:34:59.05\00:35:01.95
and he is watching TV in
his big chair with the controls
00:35:01.98\00:35:06.20
and his face is
mean and dark and ugly.
00:35:06.23\00:35:09.87
And I just go there and say,
hi, sweetheart, and no answer.
00:35:09.90\00:35:14.85
And I get a cup of
water and I'm drinking water
00:35:14.88\00:35:17.17
and all of sudden he
shouts Alvy, I'm hungry.
00:35:17.20\00:35:20.24
Give me something to eat.
00:35:20.27\00:35:23.02
And something came out from
me that said inside my head,
00:35:23.05\00:35:28.70
go to hell you jerk.
00:35:28.73\00:35:30.20
Yeah.
00:35:30.23\00:35:32.06
And the Holy Spirit--
this is the beauty about
00:35:32.09\00:35:34.58
when we are in dwell
and God begins to take over.
00:35:34.61\00:35:38.65
The Holy Spirit says
no, Alvy, not that way.
00:35:38.68\00:35:42.10
The beautiful thing
is that at that moment
00:35:42.13\00:35:45.45
the spirit prayed in me.
00:35:45.48\00:35:47.79
This humble prayer Lord,
what do you want me to do?
00:35:47.82\00:35:52.94
I want to tell you Cheri,
00:35:52.97\00:35:54.82
that this prayer is
not human its divine
00:35:54.85\00:35:57.83
because with what
do you want me to do?
00:35:57.86\00:36:00.15
Kind of a possession a
bowing down before the Lord,
00:36:00.18\00:36:04.15
allowing Him to
take over and He says,
00:36:04.18\00:36:08.79
ask him what he wants to eat.
00:36:08.82\00:36:12.29
No.
00:36:12.32\00:36:14.71
So all this war
goes inside of me
00:36:14.74\00:36:18.68
and God takes
over and he is not me
00:36:18.71\00:36:22.15
He is God that takes
over and says, my love,
00:36:22.18\00:36:25.46
what would you like to eat?
00:36:25.49\00:36:29.08
And his
response is I don't care,
00:36:29.11\00:36:31.35
do whatever you want to.
00:36:31.38\00:36:33.84
The voice, he says that.
00:36:33.87\00:36:36.10
He is no respectful to you.
00:36:36.13\00:36:38.21
Tell him to go to Taco Bell.
00:36:38.24\00:36:40.52
Tell him that he can go and fix
00:36:40.55\00:36:42.31
but you-- woman have dignity.
00:36:42.34\00:36:45.57
And when that power of darkness
00:36:45.60\00:36:49.03
speaks that way
inside of the divine temple
00:36:49.06\00:36:52.93
everything changes inside of us.
00:36:52.96\00:36:55.60
The divine says
surrender and he is willing
00:36:55.63\00:36:59.14
and all of a
sudden, woman have dignity
00:36:59.17\00:37:01.53
and I have this hardness
of heart and I went to say--
00:37:01.56\00:37:04.77
You have no right to
speak to me like this.
00:37:04.80\00:37:06.94
Right. You come
home this way and I--
00:37:06.97\00:37:08.61
And again the spirit
says Alvy, not that way.
00:37:08.64\00:37:11.34
And do you want me to do, Lord?
00:37:11.37\00:37:13.41
And He says,
listen, you please him.
00:37:13.44\00:37:17.10
You cook what he likes.
00:37:17.13\00:37:19.34
Besides that when I ask
you to please your husband
00:37:19.37\00:37:24.39
I indwell in you and
I'm willing to humble myself
00:37:24.42\00:37:28.72
and be the cook.
00:37:28.75\00:37:30.25
You shared the temple.
00:37:30.28\00:37:32.67
I indwell you, you and
I and I and you we cook.
00:37:32.70\00:37:36.63
And that was such
a joy immediately.
00:37:36.66\00:37:39.06
An understanding
that this is what
00:37:39.09\00:37:40.92
God wanted me to learn all along
00:37:40.95\00:37:43.66
little by
little, moment by moment.
00:37:43.69\00:37:47.03
So in joy you serve him?
00:37:47.06\00:37:49.68
Yeah.
00:37:49.71\00:37:51.27
You know, you know,
Alvy, what I wanted to say--
00:37:51.30\00:37:53.84
And that's not me.
00:37:53.87\00:37:55.01
I know its not you
but its what we are asking
00:37:55.04\00:37:57.91
as Christians as
children of God is
00:37:57.94\00:38:02.07
what we are asking God is
00:38:02.10\00:38:03.42
how do You take us from
this adulterous generation
00:38:03.45\00:38:07.15
and literally help us to
respectfully serve one another?
00:38:07.18\00:38:11.61
And so now you are now
doing that and I know--
00:38:11.64\00:38:15.72
I'm not doing and God is doing.
00:38:15.75\00:38:17.21
He is calling to me
this is kindergarten.
00:38:17.24\00:38:19.27
Yeah. Okay.
00:38:19.30\00:38:20.88
And it is so amazing
to be coach by God himself
00:38:20.91\00:38:25.69
but not only coach
He says I'll take over
00:38:25.72\00:38:28.60
and I'll do it
in you and you and I
00:38:28.63\00:38:31.31
that in Jesus
and our little girl
00:38:31.34\00:38:34.40
and we are one and we
are in this wonderful thing.
00:38:34.43\00:38:37.14
And I know He is in
me because of the joy,
00:38:37.17\00:38:39.98
the way I open the
cupboards, take the pans
00:38:40.01\00:38:43.11
and they are
cooking and not sliming
00:38:43.14\00:38:45.16
anything I'm not looking
like with fire to my husband
00:38:45.19\00:38:48.84
watching TV, nothing tenderness.
00:38:48.87\00:38:50.86
There is a
purpose a divine purpose.
00:38:50.89\00:38:53.26
God indwelling in me to bless
00:38:53.29\00:38:56.05
so somebody else
can be indwelled by God.
00:38:56.08\00:38:58.71
I wish that I
didn't have to lose
00:38:58.74\00:39:01.16
one moment of this journey
00:39:01.19\00:39:03.17
but I know the time
constrains that we have here.
00:39:03.20\00:39:05.50
So can you take us to the point
00:39:05.53\00:39:07.83
where you knew he was
starting to respond to that
00:39:07.86\00:39:10.79
that God was doing the
battle, winning the battle,
00:39:10.82\00:39:14.69
reconciling not only you
but this man of God to himself.
00:39:14.72\00:39:18.68
What did that look like?
00:39:18.71\00:39:20.64
That was that
moment. That was that moment.
00:39:20.67\00:39:23.25
All along God had
told me don't worry about
00:39:23.28\00:39:26.15
who Rene is, you jut be faithful
00:39:26.18\00:39:29.24
because what it is now
is not what is gonna be
00:39:29.27\00:39:31.53
if you are faithful.
00:39:31.56\00:39:33.54
What is not is not
what is going to be
00:39:33.57\00:39:35.65
so don't cry over this.
00:39:35.68\00:39:37.39
Have faith, have belief.
00:39:37.42\00:39:39.21
I gave you the
promises and after Ezekiel 37
00:39:39.24\00:39:43.65
comes the value
of the dry bones.
00:39:43.68\00:39:45.51
Prophecy the
spirit over your husband
00:39:45.54\00:39:48.35
and he is gonna resurrect.
00:39:48.38\00:39:50.31
He is gonna be on
your man, he is gonna--
00:39:50.34\00:39:52.69
and you know,
what he is gonna be
00:39:52.72\00:39:53.97
when your husband
loves you like I love.
00:39:54.00\00:39:57.36
And so be ready for that.
00:39:57.39\00:39:58.59
For people that don't know
that story about the dry bones
00:39:58.62\00:40:00.71
explain that story
00:40:00.74\00:40:01.77
because it is
what God took you to
00:40:01.80\00:40:04.22
was a place that
is just crazy call.
00:40:04.25\00:40:07.70
Well, but it would
take time so I'll--
00:40:07.73\00:40:10.24
I don't care how much time.
00:40:10.27\00:40:11.79
It gives some time
because somebody doesn't know
00:40:11.82\00:40:13.63
that story they are not
gonna get what you said.
00:40:13.66\00:40:15.39
It's a vision of prophet,
00:40:15.42\00:40:16.98
its vision of our
value full of dry bones.
00:40:17.01\00:40:20.83
And the question comes from God
00:40:20.86\00:40:22.64
can all these dead
man walking or dead--
00:40:22.67\00:40:26.52
I don't know, can they walk?
00:40:26.55\00:40:28.39
Can they come alive?
00:40:28.42\00:40:29.48
Can they be
filled with My spirit?
00:40:29.51\00:40:32.43
And the prophet says,
yes. He says well, prophesize.
00:40:32.46\00:40:35.69
So the guy prophesized
00:40:35.72\00:40:37.46
and the bones
start coming together.
00:40:37.49\00:40:39.60
And then muscle and sinew
and things are put together
00:40:39.63\00:40:43.22
and God said that's how
what I'm doing inside of Rene.
00:40:43.25\00:40:45.97
You don't see it
00:40:46.00\00:40:47.03
but I'm brining
things together in him.
00:40:47.06\00:40:49.05
These dry bones,
these-- this hopeless situation
00:40:49.08\00:40:54.12
I'm speaking life.
00:40:54.15\00:40:55.46
Right.
00:40:55.49\00:40:56.52
And then He said
he is going get better
00:40:56.55\00:40:58.96
but still Rene will
have to come to the point
00:40:58.99\00:41:02.54
that He is
soaking into My spirit.
00:41:02.57\00:41:04.29
Keep on prophesizing
the Holy Spirit on him.
00:41:04.32\00:41:07.07
And you can only do that
00:41:07.10\00:41:10.03
and that prayer will be answered
00:41:10.06\00:41:12.03
and the
prophesy will be answered
00:41:12.06\00:41:13.63
if you are
filled with My spirit.
00:41:13.66\00:41:15.36
You're cannot have
any neither this is that.
00:41:15.39\00:41:17.63
And He saw me
because that very night
00:41:17.66\00:41:20.46
as I'm taking
this beautiful tray
00:41:20.49\00:41:22.48
with the food to my husband
00:41:22.51\00:41:24.78
I find interference
between the dark and the light.
00:41:24.81\00:41:29.09
Well, just I have to say
00:41:29.12\00:41:30.17
because I've
been in your kitchen.
00:41:30.20\00:41:31.49
You're a great cook and
when you say beautiful tray
00:41:31.52\00:41:35.03
you say all of
that kind of stuff.
00:41:35.06\00:41:36.67
You're gift is so love
and nurture on that way.
00:41:36.70\00:41:39.28
So you loved and
nurtured him with this food.
00:41:39.31\00:41:43.78
That wasn't done by me. I know.
00:41:43.81\00:41:46.27
But I'm just
saying it's your heart.
00:41:46.30\00:41:48.39
The story is longer but anyhow
00:41:48.42\00:41:50.33
here I'm getting
up with this tray
00:41:50.36\00:41:52.68
because God says we are
going to take this to Rene
00:41:52.71\00:41:56.63
and I take it up in
the strength of the Lord
00:41:56.66\00:41:59.62
something happens
00:41:59.65\00:42:00.95
and there is a
interference of darkness,
00:42:00.98\00:42:03.74
a power and
everything that is light and joy
00:42:03.77\00:42:07.72
and love is gone
and my wet noodle
00:42:07.75\00:42:10.47
about to fall and press out.
00:42:10.50\00:42:12.37
That's how I really feel.
00:42:12.40\00:42:16.35
And I say Lord,
what is happening
00:42:16.38\00:42:20.03
and He says the evil
one hates you with a passion
00:42:20.06\00:42:25.30
because every step of the way
00:42:25.33\00:42:27.50
as you have a
challenge they are getting now,
00:42:27.53\00:42:29.79
the dressing, the
cooking, whatever it is
00:42:29.82\00:42:32.76
you let My spirit take
over and there is nothing more
00:42:32.79\00:42:37.68
that he hates more than that.
00:42:37.71\00:42:39.86
So but fear not I'm with
you and the light came up
00:42:39.89\00:42:44.47
and I took the
tray to my husband.
00:42:44.50\00:42:46.84
He ate some,
didn't say thank you,
00:42:46.87\00:42:49.77
walk away, didn't say good night
00:42:49.80\00:42:52.39
and through that window
of the kitchen I saw him
00:42:52.42\00:42:55.81
it was just like
something was killing him.
00:42:55.84\00:43:00.14
He was running
away from the house.
00:43:00.17\00:43:02.66
And I look at
that and he was like
00:43:02.69\00:43:04.81
a sword in my chest.
00:43:04.84\00:43:06.99
And I say Lord, I
cannot take it anymore.
00:43:07.02\00:43:10.10
I was crumbling
00:43:10.13\00:43:11.58
and there is where
have this mystical encounter
00:43:11.61\00:43:14.01
with my father.
00:43:14.04\00:43:15.84
He says, I know you
cannot take it anymore
00:43:15.87\00:43:19.45
but I'm here with
you to give you strength
00:43:19.48\00:43:22.40
and tonight to
honor your faithfulness
00:43:22.43\00:43:25.90
I have come to offer you
00:43:25.93\00:43:27.34
whatever I'm you can ask
me and I'll give it to Rene.
00:43:27.37\00:43:32.23
And I said, Lord, I
don't know what to ask you.
00:43:32.26\00:43:34.38
This is such a mess so much
00:43:34.41\00:43:38.17
where do you begin years
of counseling would not do it.
00:43:38.20\00:43:44.37
And he said, do
you believe he speaks?
00:43:44.40\00:43:48.85
I do.
00:43:48.88\00:43:51.60
Not audibly but He is so clear
00:43:51.63\00:43:54.35
that He is not from
the kingdom of darkness
00:43:54.38\00:43:56.59
but from the kingdom of light.
00:43:56.62\00:43:58.05
He said, Alvy, as Me
for a spirit of compassion
00:43:58.08\00:44:03.48
because this man
has a heart of stone.
00:44:03.51\00:44:09.12
And so I went to my room
and lay down on the carpet
00:44:09.15\00:44:12.53
and there was so many
times I cried and bang
00:44:12.56\00:44:15.18
and whatever I was pressing God
00:44:15.21\00:44:17.25
and saying I thank
you Lord, I thank you
00:44:17.28\00:44:20.04
because you are giving
00:44:20.07\00:44:21.16
the spirit of
compassion to my husband.
00:44:21.19\00:44:23.36
You see the dry bones
receiving a new spirit.
00:44:23.39\00:44:26.55
And I seen my minor
vision of angels descending
00:44:26.58\00:44:30.23
and blowing the
spirit of compassion
00:44:30.26\00:44:32.60
and at that
moment the phone rings.
00:44:32.63\00:44:37.16
Yes.
00:44:37.19\00:44:39.12
Silence.
00:44:39.15\00:44:41.28
And then Rene
speaks and he says,
00:44:41.31\00:44:44.93
I know, I have
been so mean to you.
00:44:44.96\00:44:47.65
That was an under
statement, to you for so long
00:44:47.68\00:44:51.80
tonight I went home
00:44:51.83\00:44:53.74
and you sent me the
food and all of that.
00:44:53.77\00:44:56.05
I didn't say
thank you, good night.
00:44:56.08\00:44:59.55
And I don't know what happened
00:44:59.58\00:45:01.05
but when I left all of a sudden
00:45:01.08\00:45:06.16
I felt such a deep
compassion for you, yes!
00:45:06.19\00:45:11.20
For the first time. Yeah.
00:45:11.23\00:45:15.23
This man had no
compassion for me.
00:45:15.26\00:45:17.34
I deserve it
and he would make it
00:45:17.37\00:45:19.33
as miserable as possible.
00:45:19.36\00:45:21.08
We do now hate to do
this. We're gonna take a break.
00:45:21.11\00:45:23.59
I want when I come back
00:45:23.62\00:45:25.26
I want to introduce you to Rene
00:45:25.29\00:45:27.22
and briefly show you this
couple that is so in love.
00:45:27.25\00:45:31.19
Just ridiculously in love
00:45:31.22\00:45:33.63
because God was faithful
and she was faithful to God.
00:45:33.66\00:45:38.18
We'll be right
back stay with us.
00:45:38.21\00:45:40.15