The following program
discusses sensitive issues
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related to addictive behavior.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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Welcome back.
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You know I love like-- a
lot of times I don't think
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we realize how intimate
God is with us and how much?
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You know, when
somebody says that if you were
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the only one on the
planet, Jesus would have came
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and died for you and I
know that we sometimes think
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that that's not
true but it is so true.
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And so I want to just take
you through what I saw happen
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to Bob as he joined
us and where we benefit,
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benefited from
that and how God brought
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healing to both parties.
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And it's just a weird thing
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to watch when
everything is so clear.
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So we end up-- we've been
working on a program for years.
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And, Bob, you know
that for years. Yeah.
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God gave me this vision
and like 1996 and I'm 80HD,
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so the vision stayed in my head,
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you know, and I
would tell people
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and they say,
that's such a great idea.
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You should do
something with that
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and I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think it's from God
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and 5 years later
I'll be telling somebody
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and they say
that's such a great idea.
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You know, you should
do something with that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I finally, I
ran into Joanne Davie.
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Some people know her; some
people don't in New Zealand.
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And she said,
that's a great idea.
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We're gonna put that on a paper
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and I'm like
really and I almost cried
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because I thought
good 'cause, you know,
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I think it should be on
paper other than my head.
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So she puts some things on paper
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which was,
you've seen them. Yeah.
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And all it was, was-- you know,
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kind of quickly sketched
out with a copy of the cover
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of one of our sets from
Celebrating Life in Recovery
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just, you know, kind of put
together, couple of questions,
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somebody's home paper
cutter and they ran a group.
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They ran a couple of groups
and with the other programs
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that were running
there was 162 baptisms.
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And I thought
are you kidding me?
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You know, people
that want to get well.
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People like you in dealing
with what you're dealing with
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or their like me
coming out of addiction
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so, you know, like--
you know everybody has stuff
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that were coming out of
and so now we get serious man,
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may be that should be on paper
so then me and Danny my friend
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decide to put
something else together
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and it looks like we decided
to put something else together.
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And then we
actually got really inspired
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and we put it together
where it almost looked good,
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then sent it over and
had somebody from 3ABN
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to look at it and
then they did a few things
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and then you actually
come on to work with us. Right,
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Right, so it was just
during that whole time thing.
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Tell us a little bit?
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Tell me a little
bit about what you--
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when you walked in
and saw the organization.
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The organization
at the-- you know,
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what we were trying to do
and all that kind of stuff
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'cause you had to have
coming from your background
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you had to burst up,
you had to say oh, no way.
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What am I going to do?
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For one I'm just
gonna be really gracious
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and I'm not going to say what
was really going on in my head.
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But-- You're good to me.
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There was a real
need for organization
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and strong organization.
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There was a real need
for somebody to just step up
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and say here's what
we need to get done.
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Here's what we gonna do it
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and here's why
we're gonna do it.
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And in the process,
that was a little difficult
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because, you know,
when Cheri says, you know,
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when you said, it
gave you sweaty palms,
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I think fork out
and knives. Literally.
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Yeah, you know,
because I came from a world
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where we where, you know,
we were given time schedules
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and we were told, you know,
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here's when you
gonna have it done,
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you gonna have it
done by this time,
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you've got-- and it's got
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to be done right the first
time on time and within budget.
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And so, we didn't have a
budget. What? Within what?
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And you gonna get my
palms get sweat again.
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I don't know what you're saying.
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So, none of those
things were in place,
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you know, and so the first--
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Even when you say none of
those things were in place.
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Even to the point where
we had a number of people
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doing different things
but not sitting down really
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and talking to
each other. Correct.
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And so and not that we
weren't talking to each other
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but not in
properly and not with,
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you know, where we have it.
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This is kind of what we're doing
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and this is direction,
here's priority and stuff.
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You did that a few times
and it was like the ministry
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just got like
solid legs underneath it.
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And I thought, wow, you
know, how good this is for you.
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So it was really cool to watch
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all that kind of stuff happened.
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And I think
that's the key, you know
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you should how good does it feel
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and we did, we took it in slow,
you know, we just very slowly,
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okay because I'm afraid--
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I think you didn't
want to stay with us.
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I was afraid, I'd
put you 6 feet under
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if I just went awful, right.
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So, you know we did,
we took it very slowly
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and we're still taking
some things rather slowly,
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but I am really
pleased to what we've done
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in such a very
short period of time,
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I mean, we've really
taken things to a finish level
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as an organization and
not without some mishaps,
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not without some
miscues, not without some,
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you know, difficulties,
but we as an organization
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now have taken and
done something very cool.
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And I think it's
helped, it's helped not only,
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you know, you talk about
healing, individual healing
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but I think there's healing
within an organization as well,
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because we bring all of
our baggage to the table
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and it comes with system
no matter where we are at.
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And so, you know I think as an
organization not only have we,
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you know, not only we
have some ceiling together,
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you know, as individuals
but as an organization
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and I think this
is just an example
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of what we're able to do now
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because we've moved
past some of those--
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I don't know what
you want to call them
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but there were
issues we have, I know.
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Remember, you're being
gracious to me, all right.
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So you know
what's really I guess,
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I'm gonna hit it from a
little bit of a different angle
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because what I saw that
you gifted us with your skills.
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Because a lot of
times that and I think that
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for this program
what I want people to hear
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more than even a material
is that once we decide to heal,
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once we decide to
get into recovery,
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once we decide to really
honestly get into that journey
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regardless of who we
are, we bring our giftings
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and we put legs
underneath an x person.
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So when you-- as you heal,
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you literally stepped into
a ministry about life to us,
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and not that we
weren't doing things,
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and not that we
weren't been blessed,
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and not that we
weren't changing lives
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because our lives are changing
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and others people's
lives have changing.
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But with your
healing, you really gifted us
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and so when somebody says
that doesn't matter that I heal.
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Absolutely, the body of
Christ matters to each other.
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We matter to each
other. I don't have your gifts;
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I don't have your
gifts. You don't have mine.
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But if I never get
well, it doesn't matter
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how many gifts you have.
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And so with this
group we ended up
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and for some of you, you
know, we have a 14-week program
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based on this television show,
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video clips we
took Steps to Christ,
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we rewrote Steps to Christ
and we put it in a program.
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But as we're putting
this program together,
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I don't think you
could have done it
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unless you choose to heal some.
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No, I agree. I agree.
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So, can you talk a
little bit about that
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because, you know, we're
looking at, you know, the--
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even the course that
outline step one is that,
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you know, you're
surrendering to God
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and you're doing
all that kind of stuff
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and does that matter.
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Does that matter who we are
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and what we choose to do as
we reach out to someone else?
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Absolutely.
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You know that, I think
the thing over this is--
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Once I came to that
point where I was willing
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to let God in and
willing to owe up to Him.
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What I saw here
was something that,
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you know, I think you learn
to gain a heart for, right.
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And either you do or you don't.
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And I think if you don't have
the heart and passion for this,
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then it's very
difficult to see things through.
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It's very difficult to
deal with difficult situations
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that rise out to
putting this together
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because you have a lot of people
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and everybody has an opinion,
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and everybody
wants to do something.
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And everybody's
right. And everybody's right.
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Say I love that part.
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And so, absolutely
I had to heal in order
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to at least to
some extent in order
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to be able to guide
people and surround--
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you know, surround us with
people who could do the work.
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And because I
think that they have
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to see that we're real as well.
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So now it was really fun?
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So we get a creative
director which you'll meet on
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this program which is friend,
your wife, went to school,
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works in the business
field all that kind of stuff.
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We're trying to
take her from that field,
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but she's making too much money
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and we only have
20 bucks to give.
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So, if you have
any money, you know.
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Now but anyhow, so now we end up
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and I've got to say we
end up during the program,
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we get some graphics done.
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Your son just got out of
school for graphics. Yeah.
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But he's
drinking, he's out there,
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he's angry, he's
got all that stuff
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and as he's putting
the program together
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decides to go to AA.
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Yes. Decides to go to recovery.
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So even in that I
watch God just say
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as we're putting something
together that is very healing.
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Let's-- you know
everybody that was involved
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including myself really stepped
even further into our healing.
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And that was so fun
to watch and I've to say,
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you know, there
are times that I know
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that you kind of
set back and say, yeah,
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I don't know if I
want to keep doing this.
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And yet you
choose to keep doing it
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and so I want to just say,
I just have so much respect
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for your, Bob,
that you're doing that.
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I have so much respect
watching friend and James
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and all that kind of
stuff and standing up
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watching your family stand
up in their recovery stuff.
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And Satan doesn't
have the same hold.
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No, he doesn't.
And that's incredible.
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So right now, you
know, as we are looking at
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what you did for
organization, that's great.
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But I want you to say
to somebody that's watching
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that says I don't know if
I can step out and do that.
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I don't know if I have
it in me to turn around
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and say to even my
family, man, I'm sorry.
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What would you say to them?
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Is God
trustworthy? Can they do it?
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I would say absolutely yes.
You know, God is trustworthy.
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And, you know, I would
guess I would just tell you
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that if you're-- you
know, if you're in that position
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and you're in pain
and you've got the anger
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and you're-- you know
and you know, we know,
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we want to rip people's head
off and split down their neck
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and you know we're
not treating our family
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the way we should treat them
and as far as I would just say
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simply this, you
know, like guardian, okay.
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And I know that sounds so tribe,
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but it really is just
a dabbing and get a book,
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you know, like may
be even Cheri's book
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or some book like that, that
you can relate to and sit down
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and let God speak
to you and He will.
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You know, He'll
speak to you in a way
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that you need to be spoke
to and then be honest with Him.
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He already knows anyway
and so be honest with Him.
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And He's crazy about you?
And He is. And, so do that.
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So, you know, what I got to say,
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thanks for being on the program.
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Yes. Thanks for working for us.
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I don't know if we ever
paid to you yet, have we?
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Somewhat very little--
But I just want to say thanks.
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And for somebody that's
what, know that as you heal
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whatever giftings you have,
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whatever plan God has in your
life, He can then unfold that.
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And every single
thing that you have
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to offer someone else needs.
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Everything that Bob
has brought to the table
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not only did we need
that as an organization,
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but we need that worldwide
and people that we reach out to
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and the ability to stand up and
even to do a program like this
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to have people around
with giftings is important.
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So heal reach out
and give your gifts
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to someone else and
let God love on you.
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Till then always remember that
God is crazy about you, me too.
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