The following program
discusses sensitive issues
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related to addictive behavior.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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Welcome to
Celebrating Life in Recovery.
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My name is Cheri and we're
going in to our ninth season
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and we talk about
addiction all the time.
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This season we're gonna
talk about the health message.
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Isn't that crazy because
what do I know about how?
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We are beginning
our ninth season.
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If you can believe that,
that we've done this ninth time
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whatever you see
Cheri and I together
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you know we are
kicking of a brand new season.
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Now, we need to tell,
we don't script this shot,
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has no
rehearsal, there's no going
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through lines and
reading teleprompt.
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We sit and talk
and let the Lord lead
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and talk about what's
coming up in this year
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and each year
this show has evolved
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and Cheri, I'm so
very excited again
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because a new evolution, a new
step, some new stuff this year.
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Health message kind
of a new journey for you.
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Why not? That is really--
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So new for me and I got
to tell you how that evolved.
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I-- first of all
the book for this season
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is called Celebrations
and its all about health.
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And its started with that I end
up going into medical crisis,
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I going to hospital, they said
if I didn't get to the hospital
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I could have died during
that all that kind of stuff.
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So it was a big deal.
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Then they sent me home
have a crisis four days later
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I'm back in the
hospital same thing.
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And then I'm
thinking, okay what's going on?
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You know, what's going on?
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And so they tell me
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that you've got an
area they think its cancer
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and your small intestine
we're going have to cut it out,
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you gonna have to
remove some of that.
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I'm like wait, wait, wait.
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In the whole time, I'm
hearing the Holy Spirit saying,
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you know I've tried to get it
you to take care of that early,
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you know 'cause
you know with there is
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health and part of recovery is
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that we look at
these really serious issues
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and we look at sexual
addiction and drug addition
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and we look at, you
know the media think that
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we do in recovery of just kind
of taking care of the problem.
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But if you gonna
do long term recovery
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you're gonna have to
start laughing out loud.
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You're gonna have to
let the sun hit your skin.
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You're gonna have to
make sure that you eat right
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and go to bed at a decent hour
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and do all that
kind of health stuff.
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I had avoided
that for a long time
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because I liked to stay up late.
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I don't know if I
necessarily like water,
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you know what I mean?
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I know I don't like brown rice.
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You know, it's
all that kind of stuff
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and I watched and I had--
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can I say this I watched
health nuts over the years
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tell something about health
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and they looked
mad all the time.
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You know, and they don't
you know they necessarily look
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these health issues,
you want them to look.
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And so I kind of
stayed away from that
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and all the sudden
now I'm hit with something
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that I believe God Himself says
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if you're gonna
honestly help people
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they need to know
about how to take care
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of themselves in the long run.
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So this season we decided
to do the health message.
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Celebrations is a
book and I love this.
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It was really well
done but in our church
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the Adventist
churches that conference,
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the General
Conference and one of the teams
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there is health ministries
they put a book together
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and I went to
meet them at one point
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and they didn't know who I was?
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And they're like tell me,
I don't know you from a bar.
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So, you know, who are
you? And what are you doing?
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So we tried what
recovery ministries
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and they showed me this book
and I thought oh, Celebrations.
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We just wrote a
program a 14 week we program
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for the church on
dealing with addictions called
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Celebrating Life in Recovery
with the tape in the that
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we do here, their
testimony that we do here.
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And he said, you know, would
you be interested in putting
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that message in with
your 14 week program?
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And I thought if it's
perfectly and so we decided
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to put it in with
the 14 week program.
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We had some writers
come in, some people come in
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with photography and its
slide in there really nicely
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and then I thought I want
to do a whole season on it
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because I was so
blessed by the message
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and the richness of in the long
run taking care of ourselves.
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How do we do that?
Well done. Well done.
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You know, I need, as
we said we don't script--
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I needed just give your flowers
while you can still smell them
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because you know I'm a
fan, you know, I'm a fan.
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I was known each other for
years but couple of years ago
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we're in Australia
together and I saw you
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move in to a whole new realm
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that not only
are you a good host
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and you do this
well but I saw you stand
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before a group of
young people and teach.
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I mean, give
medical facts and give
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and do a whole
different kind of thing for you
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and the Lord blessed
you, you do that well.
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It comes across very believable.
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So, you can you know you
can go in to the class room
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and put on the mortar cap
and teach or you can go out
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to the street and
minister for the Lord to.
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So God has given you that gift.
So while you take them of that.
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We-- and I love that.
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I love, you know,
like the first time
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I got into recovery and
I realized that you know
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I know chemistry
changes with addiction
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and we have a nerve called
the vascular retro flexes nerve
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that literally
connects us to our frontal lobe
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and if we are
addicted we sever that
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and we are not using
higher reasoning to think.
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And I'm thinking
as a little addict
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I'm like that's not good news.
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You know I only smoke a pot
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thinking that I'm
using my frontal lobes
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no you not even
thinking any more,
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you know, how does
every thing break down.
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And so I love teaching that.
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But you know what I
found what I learned
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just over the last few years
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that if we're not
taking care of ourselves
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in our in every single
way not just addictions
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and a crazy thinking
in how we treat each other
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and our connecting
with each other and with God
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if we're not doing
all of the other things
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as simple exercising you know,
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you know how much
time do you just play,
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do you go out and just have fun.
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And if we don't do that
we're not gonna be in recovery
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for very long regardless
of what the addiction is.
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That's what and that's
what like comes on I believe.
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For so many
years we can focus on
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what you do not do, do
not smoke, do not drink.
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But what about replacing
that with some positives?
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And you know there
the stuff you got it to
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along the stuff
that you are not doing.
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I think that's what the
way you are talking about
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when we go to this
whole celebration thing.
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You can quit stuff but then you
got replace it with good stuff,
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you know, if you're
gonna be whole kind of a thing.
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Like the first
season, you'd love
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like we're gonna do this role in
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and the first
role we're gonna do is
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with people that
are making choices
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with what's
hitting them right now.
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And so we've got
like this one guy Michael
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is coming out of the gay culture
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and all that kind of stuff.
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God involved
with demonic eroticism
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and I mean when
you even think about
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that you don't want
to ask what is that?
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Yeah.
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Just like do I really
want to know what that means?
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Oh, I'm not gonna go
over, I want to go over.
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But you know so he is
literally sexually involved
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with demons themselves
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and that is all
played out in his life.
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And he has to make
choices to come back
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in to a legitimate
connection with people.
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We establish himself as
for as just what's normal,
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get out of the dark side.
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And so he's
making those choices.
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So the prefers part of
the celebrations in an acronym
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is that start making
good choices in your life.
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Brad, my husband
he's back on a program,
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he's been on the program
before turned out this last year
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that he had Parkinson's
early on to Parkinson's.
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And he's also got
diagnose with cancer
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and so we're
looking at that's a--
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what is that mean?
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His first response is
that he wants to prove--
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a drivers bike
in front of a truck.
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So that I can
collect the insurance
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so he doesn't
have to do it any more.
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And I'm thinking
no, no, no so, you know
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even it doing a choice to
live and doing the next thing
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and how do you
take care of yourself
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and you're physically being
hit and then we have one of my
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favorite stories,
you remember tattoo Jim.
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Oh, yeah.
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And tattoo Jim is
covered with tattoos
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and piercing and
all that kind of stuff.
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And I tell the story we
were at a pastor's house
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and we're at this pastor's house
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and he decides to ministry Jim.
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Well, Jim is
hardcore and he leans over
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and he says to Jim
that everybody has problems.
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And Jim is like,
yeah, what's your problem?
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And he said for a
moment he had to think,
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I don't know what is my problem.
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And he finally
decided to be honest for Jim
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and he said you know
what I had a problem with--
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I'm a chronic masturbator.
And Jim is like oh, dude.
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I didn't want to know that,
I didn't want to know that.
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So I want to show you
some of those rollings.
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It was an incredible season
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but we're looking at
making choices, exercising
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and taking care of yourself
and everywhere so enjoy this.
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I so well, the night
that I'm about to be baptized,
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my sister said what you're
gonna do about your boyfriend?
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And I looked around, I
got it that Jesus love me.
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I got it that He
accepted me exactly where it was
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and I looked at my
sister said I'm gay.
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I was born this
way. This is who I am.
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I tried to
change, it never happened.
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I prayed that it would change.
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And my sister, I believe is move
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by the Holy Spirit
because she stopped.
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And the next day was baptized
and the only verse in the Bible
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that really stands out
to me is that God says,
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"My ways are not your ways
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and my thoughts
are not your thoughts."
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And I believe that God
allowed me to be baptized
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and He began
that journey with me.
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He gave me what is
truth was in His word
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and even in my ignorant
sin I said how dare you God,
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you know create me gay
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and then tell me
I'm in abomination?
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That's not fair.
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You know if
salvation is good for them
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but not for me then
that's even more rejection
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and that's even in
my ignorance Jesus said,
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keep walking with me, Mike.
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And I said kept walking
with Him every time I fell
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He said, get up and
I would even test Him,
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I would even act
out, you know sexually
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and just say You
still want me now God,
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you know after what I've done?
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And when I kept
hearing from Him is, yes.
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What was interesting
is that and yet again
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since we are
talking about exercise
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and we talked
about the bike riding
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and stuff like that you
know, that was something
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I was doing was bike
riding, riding the bikes
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but it was crazy to
actually been on some bike rides
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and have been so
deep in to the dark place
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of depression
and dealing with Him.
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I ever going to play
the trumpet again and man.
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its just the
Parkinson's and you know,
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and this focal dystonia
thing and all this stuff
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where I would be
riding along going okay,
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there is a truck right there,
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you know it would be easy enough
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to just make this
look like an accident,
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you can collect
the insurance money
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and you would be better off.
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I mean-- The first time--
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I was too poised in my life
where that was how close it was
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and fortunately every
time that happened it was
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like man, you
better pull your bike over
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and check yourself right now.
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You better just stop.
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You better just
stop right in right out
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because you know you don't
really intended to do that.
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That's really about dying
daily and Father Goyette told us
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his great story recently a
gathering of prayer leaders.
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He said, his dad
took him out one time
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because he would he grew
up in a communist country
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and he is feeling
like, you know upset
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because his friends
were making fun of him
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because of his Christianity.
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And his dad takes him
out to this graveyard.
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He says I want
you to kick the grave
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and he says no
that's disrespect.
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He says, no kick it.
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So he kicked it and then he says
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now I want to say
something rude and ugly
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to that the person there.
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He says, well,
that's disrespectful.
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He says, no say. And so he's
like, you stupid, you stupid.
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And then his dad said,
what if the person say back?
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And he said, well nothing.
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And he says the
reason you're offended
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is because you're not dead yet.
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That person is an offendant,
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they are dead,
they don't say anything.
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You get upset,
you get irritated,
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you lose your cool whatever
because you're not dead yet.
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And that's my
prayers. Lord, let me die.
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Well, that is so
powerful and so pertinent
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and so timely to what's going
on in our society right now.
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Incredible. Good stuff, yeah.
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What's really interesting
when pastor Jim, I love him,
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when he said, I
have him on the show
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he said you're gonna
tell that story, aren't you?
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Well, yeah.
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But you know it just like
been able to even looking at
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people's life's
and their stories
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is that Jim finally opens up
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for the first time
with tattoo Jim telling him
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that story then he
decided to open up to the church
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and his wife is
like saying don't do it.
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And he does and his
whole church starts to heal
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and said really very sincere way
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as with their sexual addictions
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and they open up
to the community.
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And you've high school
kids coming over talking about
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how stuck they are
with their own sexual sense.
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And so you know he's
honesty with this one biker
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leads to a whole
change in his church.
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Yeah. It was unbelievable.
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Yeah, it does takes some
manning up to the sort of
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throw it out there like that
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but I found I think you have too
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that people are
pretty forgiving.
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If you put it out there and
say I'm trying to get better,
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I'm not hiding this stuff.
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They want to
forgive, they want to heal,
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they want to you see heal
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and I know you experienced that.
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As only I've experienced
that but they also have seen
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the fact that at
the end the bottom line
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is it God is in vindicated.
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We are mass, you
know the next person
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you're gonna meet
said something to the,
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in fact there his
wife said, she looked at me
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because of where they can
form such a normal background
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and they you know
Adventist for years,
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Christians for years
and all that kind of stuff.
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She said, you know I thought
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the blood of
Christ was overkill.
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You know what I mean?
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You know I get
impatient once in a while
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and God had to
die because of that.
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I just didn't get it.
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You know, even the facts that
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we don't even
break denial on our naive
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and when we do there such
healing that happens with that.
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But when you do start to take
care of yourself in everywhere
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because if you're
asking God to change your life
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and let you stand in the
end of the great controversy
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and in honest way
its gonna take some work
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and you're gonna
need to be rested.
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Do you know what I mean? Did
you know that's good together.
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Very true. Yes, yes indeed.
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You know before we go
to our next segments--
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I got to compliment you
and not so much you about
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what God has using you to do
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'cause you're
getting used, you know.
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Amen.
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This whole new set of materials
which I just seen the--
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I saw in its formative
stages but to see it now
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in package stage Celebrating
Life in Recovery group
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and then the
leadership guide and this,
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this I love Skips the Christ.
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Skips to Christ.
Skips to Jesus. I love that.
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Which I really love and
even the story on the guy
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who does Jesus for you
in the graphics just really,
00:14:04.52\00:14:08.97
really good stuff and I notice
you gonna bless so many people.
00:14:09.00\00:14:12.26
And just I'm so proud of you
00:14:12.29\00:14:13.82
what you let God do through you.
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Thank you and to me
I think the one thing
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that I'm learning
and the longer I stand up
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is that there are
so many people in pain.
00:14:20.92\00:14:23.82
There are so many people hurting
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and when you watch them go from
this place of being stuck in
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and in pain and isolated
and their life not working
00:14:29.49\00:14:32.72
to taking in a
breath and step in out
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and grabbing their
life back and reconnecting
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with God in each
other, its so incredible.
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And so it is so worth
whatever we have to do
00:14:39.86\00:14:43.05
in order to say
I'm gonna be a part of
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that recovery in my
life and someone else's life.
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If this show has done
something over the nine seasons
00:14:48.22\00:14:50.35
that we've taped it here
00:14:50.38\00:14:51.95
its one it shown
that you can be real.
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That there is a
healing community
00:14:55.58\00:14:57.80
and that there is nothing
to be gained by walking around
00:14:57.83\00:15:00.27
with several polyester
patina that's not real.
00:15:00.30\00:15:03.24
The other person
you're fooling yourself
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because God knows,
devil knows, you know.
00:15:04.34\00:15:06.67
So why? You know why?
00:15:06.70\00:15:08.49
Get real put on the
mask and get healed.
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And let the Lord
in your own skin.
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Yeah. Do you morph that?
00:15:12.36\00:15:13.96
You know, there is
something that the devil says--
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you know like-- we've
covered so many things
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even this season, you
know sexual molest and adultery
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and the next
rolling you're gonna see,
00:15:23.43\00:15:24.61
you're gonna see
some of that stuff.
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We've covered that and the
more we get into that darkness
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as we would get lost and
we're not laughing anymore
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and we're not connected
anymore and that joy is gone
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and saying such you know what
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don't be telling
people what you're doing
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because they'll never
gonna talk to you again.
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Yeah, just keep it in the closet
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because in there along.
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And its no like, no help.
And been able to shame you.
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Yes, yes, yes, yeah.
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That this is so shameful
and you know who wants to--
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you know you
don't want the people
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that you are that guy
or that woman or whatever.
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And God is yelling that's a lie,
00:15:51.66\00:15:54.60
come out of hiding.
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It is gonna be tougher.
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Well, when you
admit for the first time
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that you're
beating your wife for the--
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you're doing prescription
drugs or that may be I'm a liar,
00:16:01.63\00:16:05.56
stealer or
whatever when you live
00:16:05.59\00:16:07.12
that for the
first time, it is tough.
00:16:07.15\00:16:09.35
But God says you
know I promise you,
00:16:09.38\00:16:12.24
you would get through this and
you don't have to hide anymore.
00:16:12.27\00:16:15.40
And in my own
recovery and I always
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I think that this
season is hard for me
00:16:18.47\00:16:21.59
because as I the
longer I get in to recovery
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and I circling somehow
00:16:24.42\00:16:26.01
and I start to look
at things different.
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I sort to make immense, I
sort to forgive the people
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around me is all
the sudden would do
00:16:30.23\00:16:32.84
a docudrama here at
3ABN on my life story
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and so we were
putting that together
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and we were doing the
scene of my mom and my mom
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where she rejected me
when I was a little girl.
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But as we set up the scene
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I saw her life
for the first time.
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And I wanted to just
weep, I wanted to say
00:16:48.18\00:16:50.92
that I keep looking at
this tragedy in our family
00:16:50.95\00:16:55.15
as if it was only
about me but I see my mom
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trying to deal with five
kids with her husband molesting.
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Well, she was
just a kid herself,
00:17:01.88\00:17:03.72
she's in this environment
00:17:03.75\00:17:05.00
and she's just trying to survive
00:17:05.03\00:17:06.83
and my heart broke.
00:17:06.86\00:17:08.82
So now I see her
in a different way
00:17:08.85\00:17:10.37
and I have a hard time
to even starting to say
00:17:10.40\00:17:12.57
the story about
my neglect, my abuse
00:17:12.60\00:17:16.91
because I want to
say but, but, but.
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My mom was also
abused, also neglected.
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So even as you start to
get into that and start to heal
00:17:23.20\00:17:27.50
and you start to
look at your past
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maybe in a whole different way
00:17:29.64\00:17:31.36
you have the enemy
coming and start tormenting you.
00:17:31.39\00:17:34.24
But you can't say that
because then they're gonna think
00:17:34.27\00:17:36.43
that you lied
about this other thing.
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And I'm thinking I didn't lie,
I'm just seeing it different
00:17:38.59\00:17:40.89
because I've been
30 years in recovery.
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I'm no longer
feeling like I'm a victim,
00:17:43.44\00:17:45.35
I'm no longer
feeling that kind of stuff.
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In fact, I can honestly
see that everybody was trash
00:17:47.31\00:17:51.24
because we have an
enemy that is out to trash us.
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And you only get
that with some time
00:17:54.21\00:17:55.76
and with some perspective
00:17:55.79\00:17:57.15
and being able to
sort a step outside
00:17:57.18\00:17:58.88
and turn around look back at it
00:17:58.91\00:18:00.38
and get the hopeless factor.
00:18:00.41\00:18:01.54
Before we go to
our next set of rolls,
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you got to tell me
what's in that little can there
00:18:02.98\00:18:05.97
because that is so cool.
00:18:06.00\00:18:07.36
Well, you know, isn't
this cool? It's so fun.
00:18:07.39\00:18:09.74
As we ended up
doing the whole program
00:18:09.77\00:18:11.62
may have got leaderships guides
00:18:11.65\00:18:13.37
and participant's
manuals and 20 video clips.
00:18:13.40\00:18:16.53
From
Celebrating Life in Recovery
00:18:16.56\00:18:18.28
in this 14 week
program for the churches
00:18:18.31\00:18:21.46
and somebody's like well,
00:18:21.49\00:18:22.79
you're gonna
mail that every time.
00:18:22.82\00:18:24.51
And I thought yeah, yes we are.
00:18:24.54\00:18:26.34
And they said you should do this
00:18:26.37\00:18:28.21
and they said you should
just put it on a card like this,
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a USB card they could
put it right in their program
00:18:31.37\00:18:33.82
in their computer and
have all the programs.
00:18:33.85\00:18:36.27
You know I thought shut
up that is the cool as sin.
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So in this little USB
card they can be mailed out
00:18:40.49\00:18:43.66
in this tin with
every single thing you need.
00:18:43.69\00:18:45.88
This all of this material.
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In order to run a
group either in your church,
00:18:46.98\00:18:49.67
in your cell group
with your husband and wife
00:18:49.70\00:18:52.40
as you're going
through you crises in life
00:18:52.43\00:18:54.45
just go through
with the two of you
00:18:54.48\00:18:56.31
but it's a way to have
everything that you need
00:18:56.34\00:18:58.70
in order to get in to recovery
00:18:58.73\00:19:00.35
with the foundation of
program of Steps to Christ,
00:19:00.38\00:19:03.08
that's just we're
looking at some really
00:19:03.11\00:19:05.07
good Christian
foundational stuff.
00:19:05.10\00:19:06.87
Yeah. Yeah. Is this
stuff ready to go Cheri, yet?
00:19:06.90\00:19:10.55
Yes. Just ready
to go. Very good.
00:19:10.58\00:19:12.56
Absolutely, just
fine. Now how do we get?
00:19:12.59\00:19:13.86
For the first time.
00:19:13.89\00:19:15.05
Just go to
truestep.org and order it.
00:19:15.08\00:19:17.92
I think that on 3ABN has
it so you can call to here.
00:19:17.95\00:19:21.21
But it is a for the
first time I always wanted
00:19:21.24\00:19:24.69
to have something that
you can leave us somebody
00:19:24.72\00:19:26.58
that they can
walk through recovery,
00:19:26.61\00:19:30.70
they can get it in
the walk through recovery
00:19:30.73\00:19:32.88
and this is our program that
will allow you to walk through
00:19:32.91\00:19:35.63
and whether you
don't have to hide anymore,
00:19:35.66\00:19:37.96
you don't have to figure
out what I want to do next
00:19:37.99\00:19:40.58
and also it has the health
message all the way through it.
00:19:40.61\00:19:43.56
So as you're going
to it what do you do
00:19:43.59\00:19:45.76
to start getting
healthy, physically, mentally,
00:19:45.79\00:19:48.05
spiritually and
definitely emotionally.
00:19:48.08\00:19:49.64
Praise God that you've evolved
00:19:49.67\00:19:51.51
and I use that
term, well advisedly.
00:19:51.54\00:19:53.32
So but you evolved to
include this health component
00:19:53.35\00:19:57.14
so that when--
as you getting clean
00:19:57.17\00:19:58.79
you're getting stronger
you're getting healthier.
00:19:58.82\00:20:00.24
So necessarily. Yeah.
00:20:00.27\00:20:01.31
You won't hold on to
your recovery unless you do.
00:20:01.34\00:20:03.63
And I fought it for
long time but unless you get
00:20:03.66\00:20:06.02
the whole package done a program
00:20:06.05\00:20:08.64
you won't be able to hold on to.
00:20:08.67\00:20:10.09
You got to drink
water and you got to rest
00:20:10.12\00:20:12.37
and you got to
exercise and you got to look at
00:20:12.40\00:20:15.16
what you are feeding
yourself and all that.
00:20:15.19\00:20:17.16
I'm looking to do
the next roll and I love
00:20:17.19\00:20:19.12
because we're gonna
start with Bob McKain.
00:20:19.15\00:20:20.88
Bob McKain, he was working for
like one of the computer firms
00:20:20.91\00:20:25.84
and he had 135 employees,
00:20:25.87\00:20:27.64
now all this is a
million dollar project
00:20:27.67\00:20:29.46
and they outsourced
this whole department, right.
00:20:29.49\00:20:32.52
And so now he is in
his 50s, he doesn't feel
00:20:32.55\00:20:36.07
that he can just
go and get another gig
00:20:36.10\00:20:37.87
and so he's depressed about that
00:20:37.90\00:20:39.74
and outsourcing was a big
deal and he goes to my church
00:20:39.77\00:20:43.36
and somebody
said Bob needs a job.
00:20:43.39\00:20:45.53
And I'm thinking I
needed an administrator
00:20:45.56\00:20:47.36
but I don't have
any money to pay him.
00:20:47.39\00:20:50.31
So I pass them in
the hall one right day
00:20:50.34\00:20:52.24
and I said, you know what,
00:20:52.27\00:20:53.47
I needed administrator
I heard you needed a job.
00:20:53.50\00:20:56.33
And I don't have
any money right now
00:20:56.36\00:20:57.61
but if you are
good at what you do
00:20:57.64\00:20:59.25
you would make us some
money so you can get paid.
00:20:59.28\00:21:02.39
And he comes to
work for us C.A.,
00:21:02.42\00:21:05.46
and I realize that he
so locked down emotionally.
00:21:05.49\00:21:08.47
So I don't know
what the issue is
00:21:08.50\00:21:10.03
so I gave him
Miracle from the Street,
00:21:10.06\00:21:12.17
the book about my life and stuff
00:21:12.20\00:21:13.51
and I said I
want you to read this.
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And he's looking at
the book like oh, sweetie
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you know this is my first job,
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my first you know assignment
and he's gonna go read it
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only because I'm
kind of forcing the issue.
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And as he reads it, he realizes
that he's been stuck in angry
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since a molest
happened early in his life
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and he's locked down and
he says for the first time
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is I realize
that God can heal me
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and He's crazy about me
and I can get through this.
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And he steps in to recovery
for the first time ever.
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So not only do we
have an administrator now
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but we have one that
is actually in recovery
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or working to recovery issues.
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And we also talking
with Alvy and Rene Quispe
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incredible guy
working at Andrews University
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but at the same time cheating
on his wife, beating her,
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having an affair for ten years
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right in to her
face kind of affair
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and God is telling her love
him, this is his eternal life.
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Do not walk away
from this man. Yeah.
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And she stays with him,
I couldn't even believe it.
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So enjoy this it's just
an amazing, amazing season.
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We learned to survive, okay.
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How we learned to
survive and based on things
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that happened to us that
clinches what we it changes
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what we believe and really
does change how we react, okay.
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And how we respond to the things
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and if we never find
a better way to respond,
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better way to
deal with those things
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and we continue going
on the way we learn to cope
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and those things that we learned
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to cope with
often really hurt our--
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the people closest to us
because they are close to us.
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And you know, and--
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I just have to say I
hurt my son incredibly,
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you know, because of the anger
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and you know you don't
have to beat somebody up,
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you don't have to slam
people up against the wall,
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you don't have to
be physically violent
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to completely beat
somebody to a pulp.
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And the beauty of all of this.
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We're administrator, right.
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And he gets worst
and some times I mean,
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probably giving
seminars with my husband.
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And I have-- Having withstand
you are looking beautiful.
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Yes, because you shut
up you don't say a word.
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And I have a black eyes so
they ask what's wrong with you?
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What happened? Oh,
I just ran into door.
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And you just keep
on smiling and keep on
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and you don't give it
anything you don't talk.
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Where does the
pastor's wife goes to talk about
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what is happening with a pastor
that is respected and adore
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and he is going all over
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and different
parts of the world.
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And what he said, many times
if the wife opens the mouth
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and says something says
most likely you're the servant.
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Of course, I blame it
on her again but you know,
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now I realize what
is inside your heart
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when you act like
that, that is not God,
00:24:20.52\00:24:23.18
that is not the Holy Spirit,
that's Satan's the spirit is,
00:24:23.21\00:24:26.46
is anger, frustration,
the spirit of darkness.
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So instead of coming up and
just talking about this spill
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its like coming up and
really been angry at her.
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Yeah, I actually I remain
on the floor for long time
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because I was so frustrated.
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And those are the
things that I look back now
00:24:42.86\00:24:45.76
and realize boy, it
was bad, it was bad.
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Of course our children
00:24:49.88\00:24:50.98
so that the rest of
the people didn't anoint
00:24:51.01\00:24:53.59
and for our it
was very, very hard
00:24:53.62\00:24:57.15
to deal with all that,
it was very depressive.
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Imagine who is she
gonna talk to about this?
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Is she talk to any
conference president
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that could actually go and
talk to him and say listen,
00:25:07.31\00:25:09.69
I got a PhD in psychology
00:25:09.72\00:25:11.60
I can explain
you what's going on.
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Cheri, you know,
quickly on this Quispe's story
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you've got two
parallel lines of thought.
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One, you've got the
exposing of abuse and adultery,
00:25:19.46\00:25:25.17
the second equally compelling
00:25:25.20\00:25:27.33
is sticking out
with a guy like that.
00:25:27.36\00:25:29.86
You know, that's a
whole different talk show
00:25:29.89\00:25:32.84
that she felt the
call of God on her life
00:25:32.87\00:25:35.63
to hang in there with that
until she got what she wanted.
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You know to me what God
mean the most in her story
00:25:39.39\00:25:42.41
is one night he comes
home he's been sleeping
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with this woman all night.
00:25:44.13\00:25:46.02
Comes home sit
down, puts the remote on
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and says get me
something to eat.
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Yells at her from the room.
00:25:50.43\00:25:51.78
She's already in bed
its 12.30 at night. Yeah.
00:25:51.81\00:25:54.31
And she wants to
yell back at Him.
00:25:54.34\00:25:56.29
Oh, God this stuff but
instead God says you know what
00:25:56.32\00:25:59.87
get up run a comb
through your hair look nice
00:25:59.90\00:26:03.48
and go get him something to eat.
00:26:03.51\00:26:05.57
And she just says
the battle with the enemy
00:26:05.60\00:26:08.20
is the battle to do that or just
00:26:08.23\00:26:10.65
to say you've no
right to come into my house
00:26:10.68\00:26:12.94
and talk to me like
that and all that stuff.
00:26:12.97\00:26:14.93
And she decides to get him up--
00:26:14.96\00:26:16.44
get up and get
him something to eat
00:26:16.47\00:26:18.07
and he still yelling and
not saying thank you or whatever
00:26:18.10\00:26:21.31
and said ten years
she did this, ten years.
00:26:21.34\00:26:24.20
And when I heard her story C.A.,
00:26:24.23\00:26:26.14
it's just told me is
that we're in our recovery
00:26:26.17\00:26:29.78
not fighting just for ourselves,
00:26:29.81\00:26:31.50
we're fighting for
the people that we love,
00:26:31.53\00:26:33.53
we're fighting for
generations of maybe
00:26:33.56\00:26:35.34
even happen before
us that really got slam.
00:26:35.37\00:26:38.41
And we all
walking around wounded
00:26:38.44\00:26:39.98
and am I willing as
a man or woman of God
00:26:40.01\00:26:43.32
to say it's
beyond just my rights.
00:26:43.35\00:26:46.19
Yeah, yeah. This
is bigger than that.
00:26:46.22\00:26:47.41
That's what's so important.
00:26:47.44\00:26:48.51
That's the back
story of the subtext
00:26:48.54\00:26:50.84
and its just as important
00:26:50.87\00:26:52.50
because it is about you
but its not all about you.
00:26:52.53\00:26:56.10
You know, there are
layers to this thing.
00:26:56.13\00:26:58.28
The person that is
your correspondent in life,
00:26:58.31\00:27:01.29
your children, maybe your
parents, generations down.
00:27:01.32\00:27:04.58
So your actions affect you,
00:27:04.61\00:27:06.75
they affect the
persons that's affecting you,
00:27:06.78\00:27:08.17
they affect the person
that they affect, they affect--
00:27:08.20\00:27:09.71
you know it just goes
on and on and on and on
00:27:09.74\00:27:11.68
and so many times
think it, its stops and ends
00:27:11.71\00:27:13.73
or ends and stops
with me but it does not
00:27:13.76\00:27:16.22
and that's what
these kind of things show.
00:27:16.25\00:27:18.19
When I was reading a
book called Towards the Death
00:27:18.22\00:27:21.41
and in Towards
the Death it says,
00:27:21.44\00:27:22.79
you know to heal and
to get your life back
00:27:22.82\00:27:25.72
because you need to go out
side and put your foot in--
00:27:25.75\00:27:27.83
feet in the grass
and do the exercise
00:27:27.86\00:27:30.20
and do all that kind of stuff
but also in your background,
00:27:30.23\00:27:32.50
if you had a
really abusive background,
00:27:32.53\00:27:34.76
go back and find one good thing.
00:27:34.79\00:27:37.15
You know, so start to go find
those gems that actually worked
00:27:37.18\00:27:40.50
and I thought I can't do
well, there's no good things.
00:27:40.53\00:27:43.15
And when I started seeing them
00:27:43.18\00:27:45.00
that I just
changed with everyone,
00:27:45.03\00:27:47.52
everyone it was
like all the sudden
00:27:47.55\00:27:49.30
my sisters and
brothers looked different,
00:27:49.33\00:27:51.12
all the sudden my
grandparents looked different.
00:27:51.15\00:27:53.27
Not that they still
don't have the damage.
00:27:53.30\00:27:55.15
My grandmother died-- said
yelling from the living room
00:27:55.18\00:27:58.77
while I was in the kitchen,
I never did like that child.
00:27:58.80\00:28:00.93
You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:28:00.96\00:28:02.01
So she never
liked me before she died
00:28:02.04\00:28:04.11
but I also got to see her stuff.
00:28:04.14\00:28:05.70
And so there is so much
healing when you look at that,
00:28:05.73\00:28:09.23
that because I am not
responding in the same way
00:28:09.26\00:28:12.67
hopefully in my
family it looks different.
00:28:12.70\00:28:14.90
Yes, you can
break the cycle sure.
00:28:14.93\00:28:17.03
The cycles are
broken. Sure, sure, yeah.
00:28:17.06\00:28:18.45
You turned me onto
that book Towards the Death
00:28:18.48\00:28:19.91
and really great--
00:28:19.94\00:28:20.97
It's a great book,
amazing, amazing book.
00:28:21.00\00:28:23.82
You know, let's go
ahead and take a break
00:28:23.85\00:28:25.12
and then come back in
because I want to ask you
00:28:25.15\00:28:26.90
a couple of things
about the next guest.
00:28:26.93\00:28:29.75
We'll be right
back, stay with us.
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