The following program
discusses sensitive issues
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related to addictive behavior.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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Welcome back, for those of
you who are just joining us,
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we're talking to a
friend of mine Han.
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And I am hoping that
you are in my life forever.
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I met you in Detroit.
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It was an amazing
time, but the first half
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we were talking about your life,
what it was like growing up,
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that there was
in your neighborhood
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a lot of gang activity.
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Even though, you're
home with your Mamma
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that wasn't her intention.
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She really worked
at raising you guys.
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Krystal, you're joining in us.
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But I keep hearing
everybody call you Po.
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So what is that about?
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Okay, Po is just a
nick name from Chrissie Po,
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my twin brother say it.
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I don't know, I mean,
they always had this debate
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about who named me, you know,
so, you know, it just came,
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you know, Po at the end--
So Johanahn is your brother?
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Yes, and he has a twin.
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Okay and they named you--
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Yes, so they had a debate
about who calls me Chrissie Po--
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You know, I
named her. So you did.
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So and, you know what,
I'm so used to hearing that.
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Well, I'm just
gonna Krystal or Po,
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what shall we call you?
Yes, you can call me, Po.
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It's fine. Okay.
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So, Po, when he's
talking about the background
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and where you guys grew
up what's your take on it?
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I guess, my take
on it would be just,
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I think it was just a
typical young family to me
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like just everyday he sold drugs
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and Jasan did as
well but he left.
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You know, like he
wasn't here as much. So--
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So he left
earlier, but, you know,
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when you say that it
was just a typical family.
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Yeah, that's just
how I looked at it then.
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You know, now I'm like,
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yeah, it was kind
of like dysfunctional,
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but, you know, then, I
mean, everybody was doing it,
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in the
neighborhood, so that was just
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what we thought as a black male,
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which, you know, you did, so--
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So let me, 'cause you
guys were young, right?
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When all that kind of stuff
was brought into your life,
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you're pretty
young running drugs,
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doing all that kind of
stuff. And that's normal?
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Yeah, at the time we
thought it was normal, yeah.
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Yeah, and I think that's
true for a lot of people.
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You know, coming
from-- and what I want to say
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when I do a program like
this is I want to just shout out
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to everybody is that
it should never be normal,
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that should never be
the way it is. Right.
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And I know that
we're gonna get into--
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a little bit into your testimony
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of what you're
trying to do to change that.
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But right now,
we're just kind of--
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I'm getting a feel of
where you guys grow up.
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I know that at one
point you get shot.
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I want to--what
happened? Tell me about that.
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Well, that night it was a,
it was just a regular night.
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We used to go to a local
bar, every single night, so--
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And this is doing business,
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partying, and hanging
out all that kind of stuff?
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Yeah, like when
the business slowed up,
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we always go out
to the local bar and--
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Were you with him? Yes, I was.
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And usually, you
know, I mean, he had--
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he didn't add this on,
but, you know, he always had
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about three or four girlfriends.
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So, you know, he just kind of--
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So when he says he was
the guy, he was the guy?
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Yeah, yeah, he was.
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Women hanging
on him, walking in,
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being the one with the
money or selling drugs.
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So I mean, I guess just him,
just getting sort to the top.
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You know, it's funny because,
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you know, just
before he got shot,
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his clientele actually,
you know, was on a rise.
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So, you know, I don't know,
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you know, what
was the plan next or,
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you know, what was gonna go on.
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But, you know, it just
a typical, you know, day.
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You know, we'd just say, okay,
let's run into a bar and...
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And so you were
doing well, doing good?
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I was doing well.
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So and so it was like we had to,
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we had to do this
like, it was like a ritual.
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Every night we'd go
to the local bar and,
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you know, just to
get their attention
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that I want it,
so-- Explain that?
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Because you can't be
absent and hold that much power.
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You have to be around people
and you have to be playing them
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and you have to make sure
that you are given that respect.
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It is not--and that's why
I think it's not a position
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that's easy to maintain.
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You have to really work at that.
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Right, so it was--
and I'm glad you said that
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'cause it was
like I needed to be
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in that atmosphere
every single night.
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So I used to thrive for it.
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So it was like, you know,
like I said it was a ritual.
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We used to go to every night,
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'cause I wanted
that same attention
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that everybody knew me
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and, you know,
everybody knew what I was doing.
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So it just happened to--
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it was one of our
friends had invited me
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to go somewhere else with him.
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I told him that I
was gonna go with him,
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but I didn't, you
know, it was just a lie.
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I just needed to be in a same
atmosphere that I was always in.
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So actually we was-- we
were going up to the bar
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and I thought I saw my
friend coming to get me.
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He wanted to, you
know, meet with some women
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and so he was
coming to pick me up.
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So I saw a car,
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it was at the corner
of my-- of our old street.
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So I saw a car coming up,
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I thought it was him
trying to pick me up.
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So I was like, come on,
pull this, hurry up and run in.
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So I can get that,
you know, that high.
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You know, that high
that I wanted that attention,
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so we can walk in and everybody,
you know, saying our names
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and stuff like that, so
we were kind of in a rush.
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So at the time
we were walking in,
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you know, some
people were coming out,
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it was two guys coming
out, coming out the bar.
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And we kind of
looked like we was in a rush
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and I guess I don't know the
guy probably he might have been,
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you know, drunk or
whatever, whatever it was.
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He was coming out
and he made it seem like,
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it looked like we was going
to do something wrong to him
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like rob them or something.
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So on the way in,
on the way in the bar,
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you know, he pulled his gun out
like "You all trying to rob me."
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So I'm like, you
know, me being me,
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I couldn't, you
know, smart mouth
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and I'm thinking
who this guy think
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he is talking to even though
he had his weapon on him--
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So you're gonna
jump in his face,
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even though he
has got a gun. Right.
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I'm gonna be right in your
face and who are you talking to.
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Mm-hmm, that's
exactly and that who,
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that's the type of person I was.
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So, you know, but I'm
telling my little sister
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I'm like go in the
bar 'cause just in case
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it might be something
might get out of hand.
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So what did you think,
when this was happening?
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'Cause you see the guy,
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you see all of that
happen and it shouldn't happen.
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You guys were just
gonna run in, run out.
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And now all the
sudden everything is change.
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Yeah, I mean, we
were just running in,
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you know, not
thinking about anything.
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So, you know, when
the guy actually comes out
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and he just pull his gun out,
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you know, not a gun,
it's just pointed at us.
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So, you know, we both stop,
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but Johanahn was a
little closer than I was.
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So, you know,
when he pulled it out.
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I mean, you know,
when he pulled his gun out,
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you know, we just stood there,
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but, you know, Johanahn got
mad and upset because he did,
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you know, he was just like me.
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You know, he started
to argue with the guy.
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And I could imagine not only did
you have to hold your position,
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'cause that's a big deal
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and not only you
have to hold your own,
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but he's pulling the gun
on you with your sister there
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and that's just
not gonna happen.
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I could imagine
what you were feeling.
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I'm not even thinking
that this fool has a gun.
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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So, you know, it was always--
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I was always a
little overprotective
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with Po, anyways, so it
was like protecting thing,
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but it was kind of like a
form of disrespect as well.
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So I was real angry,
so, you know, like we said
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he, he pulled the gun out.
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You know, we had
some words and, you know,
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that--if I could
remember correctly
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that he was with
his friend and this,
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you know, his friend
was telling him to come on.
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And you know, I just
wouldn't stop talking,
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I was so angry, you
know, I was just, you know,
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just continued to say,
you know, nasty stuff to him--
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Yeah, you are right
in his face. Right so--
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So even if you
wanted to back off,
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he's almost not being able to
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'cause you've ratted it up?
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Yes. Wow.
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So you know, and I
went on and went on
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and, you know, he might
have said some more things.
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And his friend
actually turned him around
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and, you know, I continued
to talk, talk down to him
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and then he just turned around.
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He might have said some
words, I'm not sure. Yeah.
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I mean, well, he just,
you know, he was ready to go.
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The guy actually was
going not to shoot him,
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you know, he
just was kind of like,
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you know, walking and
then his friend was like
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"Why are you standing there?
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You know, you're just talking.
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He ain't gonna do
nothing." And then...
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So everybody kind
of pushed out everyone.
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What were you
thinking? I was terrified.
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'Cause I just didn't know,
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you know, what
was about to happen--
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No, no, I was
literally froze. Okay.
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And what's
really interesting to me
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about that is that
when it gets that intense,
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you don't know
whether to say something
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it's gonna make it worst
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or be quiet that
is gonna make it worst
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and so it is
frightening, it is. Very.
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So he ends up
pulling the trigger.
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Where did you get shot?
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I got shot right
in my side. Okay.
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Right in my side and he
shot me one time with a 44
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and after he shot me,
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you know, 'cause I was
telling Po to go in the bar,
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she never went in a bar.
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So after he shot
me-- You just stood there?
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Yeah, I never went, 'cause
I didn't want to leave him,
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so I never went.
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Is it's your brother? Yeah.
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And I just didn't
know what was gonna happen,
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so I never left. Okay.
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So after he shot me,
shot me one time, bam!
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She actually, you
know, started screaming
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and went inside the bar.
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And he actually
went in after her.
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Yeah, 'cause I stood
there after when he shot him,
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you know, I saw him, you know,
like hit up against the wall
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and he slid down.
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So I stood there
and I started screaming
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and crying and then,
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I guess, since I was
causing so much attention.
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He looked back at me and he
was coming toward me, but I ran.
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And, you know, but at the
same time I have in my like,
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you know, my
brother's still out there.
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Yeah, so, you know, at the
same time I'm just going crazy,
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'cause I'm like I can't leave,
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but why is he
following me, you know, so--
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At that point was he, 'cause now
he has already shot one person
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and now has to shut you up.
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And so you know,
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it could turn uglier
than it has, it is right now.
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But I just still had on my
mind that he was still there,
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so I was just I ran.
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So everybody can hear basically
almost what's going on but.
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So as I was
running inside of the bar
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everybody else started
running through the back door,
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so as everybody still
running through the back door,
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I'm in the back door, but
I'm trying to hide somewhere,
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so my attention is
still to go back to the front,
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because I know
he's still up there shot
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and I don't if he
dead or what. So--
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I can't even imagine
what that what it felt like.
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Yeah, I just, it was crazy,
so when I hear for a minute,
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but, you know,
everybody kept running out,
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so I kept running
and then I ran around.
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I jumped the
fence, so I have my purse,
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heels everything and
so I jumped the fence
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I run through a alley,
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jumped a fence run all
the way around the corner,
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out of breath and
then I run back to the bar
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and by the time
I get back there,
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the police were
actually there and then--
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So somebody had
called. Yes, yes.
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Because everybody knew
what was going on, but. Right.
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And so were you still conscious
or you were unconscious?
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I was
conscious, I was conscious.
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Well, I don't really remember
like detail like what happened.
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I just remember like
hearing people screaming and,
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you know, just laying there.
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Not being able to
move and I remember
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I kind of lift my
head up a couple of times,
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trying to stay woke,
'cause I was kind of,
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I was real exhausted, like
I just wanted to go to sleep.
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'Cause you lost blood.
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Yeah, I was out
there for a minute,
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I was out there for a
minute, waiting for the EMS.
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Actually the police said when
they got I was out there so long
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and they was just gonna
through me in a squad car
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and take me to the hospital,
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but, you know, ambulance
actually ended up coming,
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I think somebody else was in it,
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for like a
black-eye or something.
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So they put him
out the ambulance.
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And I had to wait for another
one had me take this ambulance.
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Exactly, 'cause that you were
priority at that point. Right.
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So now you get to the hospital.
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What happens at the hospital?
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Well, on the way to the hospital
I'm like I'm just so exhausted,
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'cause, you know,
I got shot one time.
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But, you know, I got--
broke my spine in half,
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damaged my
lungs, loss of kidney,
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damaged my liver, so you know,
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I was really, you know,
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fighting for my life,
you know, I can just--
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Did you know, at what point
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did you know that
hey this is serious,
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this is serious I
think I may die here?
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In the ambulance. Okay.
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In the
ambulance, 'cause I'm like--
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Were you with him?
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No. Okay.
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I'm like in the ambulance,
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you know, it comes
natural for us to breath,
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but I was I remember
myself fighting for breath.
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And I'm like I
just want to go to--
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I just want to, you
know, nod off and take a nap
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and I'm saying to myself like,
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you know, I
didn't know God at all,
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I didn't, so I'm like,
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I guess it's
time to meet Christ,
00:13:10.69\00:13:14.02
I guess it's time to meet God--
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It's time to make
things right whatever.
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No, so I'm like I'm just
ready to just go to sleep
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for like half a second
and I thought about it,
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and I'm like, no, I
just, so I just kept fighting,
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kept fighting for
them breathes, you know.
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Made it down to the hospital
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and, you know, when
everybody arrested me,
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that's when I, I
just finally just like,
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you know, gave up at the end.
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Grace of God,
you know, I woke up
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probably a couple of days
later that I can remember.
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And so in the time
that he is at the ambulance,
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you, come back around.
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Do you see him go and--
00:13:47.25\00:13:48.75
Yes, I see him.
00:13:48.78\00:13:50.15
Yeah, I just see the puddle
of blood that's on the ground.
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He was gone?
00:13:53.98\00:13:55.55
Yeah, he was gone
and the police officers,
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I guess, somehow somebody
told him that I was there.
00:14:00.30\00:14:03.35
So they took me into a squad
car and they questioned me.
00:14:03.38\00:14:07.24
And I can just
remember being so angry,
00:14:07.27\00:14:09.28
because I was there and I
didn't want to talk at all,
00:14:09.31\00:14:11.66
because I just wanted
to get to where he was,
00:14:11.69\00:14:13.29
'cause I didn't
know if he were dead--
00:14:13.32\00:14:14.69
You needed to go
to the hospital. Yeah.
00:14:14.72\00:14:16.09
And they want to
know what happen? Right.
00:14:16.12\00:14:17.49
Who shot him?
00:14:17.52\00:14:18.89
So I was just trying
to give them a story,
00:14:18.92\00:14:20.84
so that I could be
let me go and I was angry,
00:14:20.87\00:14:24.40
'cause I had
been drinking too so--
00:14:24.43\00:14:25.80
Yeah, and even in that lifestyle
what's really interesting,
00:14:25.83\00:14:29.31
'cause it's a
whole different lifestyle
00:14:29.34\00:14:30.71
as I'm not talking to anybody,
I'm not giving up anybody.
00:14:30.74\00:14:34.24
I just want to
get to my brother.
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And so it's not even that that--
00:14:35.81\00:14:39.22
don't ask me anything, you know.
00:14:39.25\00:14:42.88
So I was just in
the back of the car
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and then they finally let me go,
00:14:45.01\00:14:48.75
but they still
wanted me there to--
00:14:48.78\00:14:51.18
I don't know, it was just crazy,
00:14:51.21\00:14:53.32
'cause there was
so much going on,
00:14:53.35\00:14:54.72
you know, it
just didn't question--
00:14:54.75\00:14:56.12
How long did it take
you to get to the hospital?
00:14:56.15\00:14:57.76
I didn't make it to the
hospital that night. Okay.
00:14:57.79\00:15:01.00
They just, they kept
questioning me in the after that
00:15:01.03\00:15:03.59
I guess everybody say that
00:15:03.62\00:15:04.99
I was just out of my
mind and I tried to go home.
00:15:05.02\00:15:08.78
You know, they're like
"No, you know, you can't go."
00:15:08.81\00:15:11.12
And it was just a lot going on.
00:15:11.15\00:15:13.75
So when you finally get that
00:15:13.78\00:15:15.23
you realize that
is pretty serious?
00:15:15.26\00:15:17.55
When I got there that's
when I was really scared
00:15:17.58\00:15:21.85
and sad because, man, I guess
00:15:21.88\00:15:23.58
it was so many people
going out to the hospital,
00:15:23.61\00:15:25.27
so they were just
trying to get his correct name,
00:15:25.30\00:15:27.93
his correct information,
and his birthday and everything.
00:15:27.96\00:15:30.15
So when I came in it was,
00:15:30.18\00:15:31.71
you know, I finally,
you know told the doctor--
00:15:31.74\00:15:34.92
This is who he is.
00:15:34.95\00:15:36.32
Yes, 'cause they
said they had no idea
00:15:36.35\00:15:37.99
who he was and no ID on him.
00:15:38.02\00:15:39.73
There were so many
people come in and out,
00:15:39.76\00:15:41.42
but everybody was given them
00:15:41.45\00:15:42.82
every kind of
information that was.
00:15:42.85\00:15:44.22
At what point--and did he
talk-- who talked to who about,
00:15:44.25\00:15:47.83
you know, he may not walk again,
00:15:47.86\00:15:50.12
he may not come up to
out of this bed the same guy?
00:15:50.15\00:15:53.11
Yes, now I asked
one of the doctors
00:15:53.14\00:15:56.08
who was going on.
00:15:56.11\00:15:57.48
And they say that--
00:15:57.51\00:15:58.88
and I was just
thinking to myself like,
00:15:58.91\00:16:00.28
"Oh, my goodness did
they even tell him that yet."
00:16:00.31\00:16:02.41
So I walked in
the room and he was,
00:16:02.44\00:16:06.13
you know, they had him
all kind of medications.
00:16:06.16\00:16:07.93
So he is happy, he is fine.
00:16:07.96\00:16:09.56
Yeah, but he was like
going crazy a little bit
00:16:09.59\00:16:12.23
like he was
asking me to open windows
00:16:12.26\00:16:14.75
that wasn't in there and
just, I'm like what is going on.
00:16:14.78\00:16:18.54
So it was just weird and I
was just, I just wasn't for sure
00:16:18.57\00:16:22.18
if they told him what
was going on and that.
00:16:22.21\00:16:23.59
So do you remember
coming out of all that?
00:16:23.62\00:16:25.59
I remember coming out of--
00:16:25.62\00:16:27.00
I remember it like the
first day of knowing that
00:16:27.03\00:16:31.53
I was in the hospital.
00:16:31.56\00:16:32.93
And the doctors--and you
ask the doctor I remember
00:16:32.96\00:16:35.28
you told me when we met
is that I ask the doctor,
00:16:35.31\00:16:37.53
you know, when am I going
to be able to get up and leave.
00:16:37.56\00:16:40.04
Yeah, they had to be
like a couple of days after,
00:16:40.07\00:16:43.12
you know,
everybody else that knew
00:16:43.15\00:16:45.00
and I don't know if
they assumed that I knew.
00:16:45.03\00:16:48.41
But I remember it was me
and my older brother in there
00:16:48.44\00:16:50.41
and there was a young doctor.
00:16:50.44\00:16:52.10
And so I'm like I just remember
being in pain from the surgery
00:16:52.13\00:16:56.66
and just not being
able to move my legs,
00:16:56.69\00:16:58.93
but yeah, I still didn't get it.
00:16:58.96\00:17:01.72
So it was a young doctor
he was leave out the room
00:17:01.75\00:17:04.21
and I ask him like so
how long it might gonna,
00:17:04.24\00:17:06.28
you know, how long am I
gonna-- be in this situation?
00:17:06.31\00:17:09.10
When am I going to be able
get up and walk up out of here?
00:17:09.13\00:17:11.90
And then he just
looked me right in my eye
00:17:11.93\00:17:13.30
and "Oh, no
you'll never walk again."
00:17:13.33\00:17:15.40
So I'm like--just
like that. Just like that.
00:17:15.43\00:17:17.68
You know, you'll
never walk again.
00:17:17.71\00:17:19.08
So I was like, you
know, it didn't hit me.
00:17:19.11\00:17:20.98
I'm just like, okay,
'cause, you know, the days that,
00:17:21.01\00:17:24.58
you know, when I
finally came back to it
00:17:24.61\00:17:27.51
I just remember
nurses coming in,
00:17:27.54\00:17:30.09
you know, with tears
in their eyes looking like
00:17:30.12\00:17:32.31
"Oh, my goodness you didn't
you almost didn't make it."
00:17:32.34\00:17:34.82
And they were telling me like
00:17:34.85\00:17:36.25
how I wasn't
supposed to make it.
00:17:36.28\00:17:37.68
So I was just happy to be there.
00:17:37.71\00:17:39.08
So when everybody told me
00:17:39.11\00:17:40.48
that I really I was
just still I'm like okay.
00:17:40.51\00:17:42.91
You're still in shock.
00:17:42.94\00:17:44.31
Right, I'm not even, you know,
00:17:44.34\00:17:45.71
I've really never sat back
in thought like it felt bad
00:17:45.74\00:17:48.78
that I wouldn't gonna walk
00:17:48.81\00:17:50.18
I was just always
happy to be alive, so--
00:17:50.21\00:17:52.68
Do you know,
what I'd like to ask
00:17:52.71\00:17:55.10
and, you know,
'cause unfortunately
00:17:55.13\00:17:57.05
we always limited to
that time of the program,
00:17:57.08\00:17:59.81
but how did God get a
hold of you in that situation?
00:17:59.84\00:18:03.17
You know, all you
really know is that lifestyle.
00:18:03.20\00:18:06.94
Now you looking at
an incredible change,
00:18:06.97\00:18:09.80
because I am
never gonna walk again
00:18:09.83\00:18:12.41
and I am kind of
coming to, coming out of shock
00:18:12.44\00:18:17.03
with all of those new
facts and where is God?
00:18:17.06\00:18:20.80
You know, God still was, I
was still far away from God,
00:18:20.83\00:18:25.37
because when I came home,
00:18:25.40\00:18:26.77
you know, I was
praying God for saving my life,
00:18:26.80\00:18:29.54
but when as soon as, you
know they let me go out back to,
00:18:29.57\00:18:34.61
back to the same
thing for years after it.
00:18:34.64\00:18:37.52
No way, still
dealing, still running,
00:18:37.55\00:18:39.65
but from a chair? From a chair.
00:18:39.68\00:18:42.03
Stop. It was like, it was like--
00:18:42.06\00:18:44.34
You just want to
say there is no way,
00:18:44.37\00:18:46.59
you know, and
what I want to say is
00:18:46.62\00:18:48.14
that how crazy are we
00:18:48.17\00:18:50.34
that, you know, you can
give me a thousand chances
00:18:50.37\00:18:52.68
and I am still gonna be running.
00:18:52.71\00:18:55.20
Yeah, it was just
like that. Still fighting.
00:18:55.23\00:18:57.40
And God says, "I'm
still coming after you."
00:18:57.43\00:19:00.01
Yeah, that's how good
God is. Which is crazy.
00:19:00.04\00:19:02.55
So when he got out and he
is going back to the lifestyle
00:19:02.58\00:19:04.83
what did you
think, I mean, was there--
00:19:04.86\00:19:06.69
You know, I was just scared
00:19:06.72\00:19:08.09
and I was just like I hope
we never go in that bar again
00:19:08.12\00:19:11.07
that's really the same thing
like I just I couldn't wild pass
00:19:11.10\00:19:14.56
and I didn't want to
look that way, but, you know,
00:19:14.59\00:19:17.38
well, everything was still
the same, we was just like--
00:19:17.41\00:19:18.78
So everybody is just in denial
00:19:18.81\00:19:20.18
and we're just gonna
live our life the same?
00:19:20.21\00:19:21.86
Yeah, we're just going
to forgot about that part
00:19:21.89\00:19:24.05
and try to get past
and like as long as he okay
00:19:24.08\00:19:26.82
and, you know,
everything is to get on me.
00:19:26.85\00:19:28.85
We were still drinking, party
and fighting and everything.
00:19:28.88\00:19:31.90
Even with that, even with that,
00:19:31.93\00:19:33.37
I come home and we like we just
not gonna go to the bar again,
00:19:33.40\00:19:35.74
forget that bar and
then after the time pass,
00:19:35.77\00:19:38.43
you know, we was
right back in the bar,
00:19:38.46\00:19:40.04
we was right back
in the same place.
00:19:40.07\00:19:41.72
So how does God get
through to somebody like that?
00:19:41.75\00:19:44.39
So, you know, but
I always like I said
00:19:44.42\00:19:46.86
I always knew
something was missing.
00:19:46.89\00:19:48.43
So actually the
Lord grabbed her.
00:19:48.46\00:19:51.84
You first? How?
00:19:51.87\00:19:55.43
Through actually my husband
now, but boyfriend at the time.
00:19:55.46\00:20:02.71
He wanted me to meet his mother.
00:20:02.74\00:20:05.40
So his mom said, bring
her to an Evangelistic series.
00:20:05.43\00:20:13.37
You know, when
you're saying that
00:20:13.40\00:20:15.21
I'm thinking how funny is that,
00:20:15.24\00:20:18.15
you know, that's so
far remove from anything
00:20:18.18\00:20:21.25
you know, but you
like this guy. Right.
00:20:21.28\00:20:24.64
So, you know, he
wanted me to meet her.
00:20:24.67\00:20:26.09
So I was like, okay,
you know, my thing was,
00:20:26.12\00:20:29.73
you know, just with
guys, you know, I always,
00:20:29.76\00:20:32.25
you know, like my brother
say, you know, he always,
00:20:32.28\00:20:34.84
you know, felt the power,
selling drugs things like.
00:20:34.87\00:20:37.06
That so my thing was
always, you know, I'm not going,
00:20:37.09\00:20:40.00
you know, I'll never
fall in love with a guy
00:20:40.03\00:20:42.01
and never, you know, allow a
guy to like take control of me.
00:20:42.04\00:20:47.17
So you know, I would
talk to different guys
00:20:47.20\00:20:48.83
and I do, you know,
things like that around the time
00:20:48.86\00:20:51.30
you know he was doing drugs,
'cause I never got caught up
00:20:51.33\00:20:53.85
in the drugs thing or whatever.
00:20:53.88\00:20:55.39
So, you know, I
was like oh, yeah sure,
00:20:55.42\00:20:57.90
you know, so I
went and I enjoyed it.
00:20:57.93\00:21:01.54
I mean, it was
just a lot of truth
00:21:01.57\00:21:04.18
and I was like wow, you know,
this is really making sense.
00:21:04.21\00:21:07.18
I've never been to a church
00:21:07.21\00:21:08.58
that's like actually
talking about the Bible.
00:21:08.61\00:21:11.79
So after that I
got invited again.
00:21:11.82\00:21:16.08
So we went and then I just told
my brother and his girlfriend
00:21:16.11\00:21:23.58
and this was how
the Holy Spirit worked.
00:21:23.61\00:21:26.77
You surrendered, I
feel the presence of God,
00:21:26.80\00:21:30.03
I know it's real,
I can't explain that,
00:21:30.06\00:21:32.50
but and to me
when somebody says,
00:21:32.53\00:21:35.71
you know, that--
00:21:35.74\00:21:37.34
when somebody tries to
judge somebody's lifestyle
00:21:37.37\00:21:39.58
I say, don't you dare,
00:21:39.61\00:21:40.98
'cause I watched the Holy
Spirit reaching into places
00:21:41.01\00:21:43.63
that you just
think there is no way
00:21:43.66\00:21:45.27
they're gonna come out of that.
00:21:45.30\00:21:46.67
And God says, "Just
wait, I love her, I love him,
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these are My children."
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And you don't even know,
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you don't even know what
they've seen in their life,
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what set them up
for those kind of things
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and I think that God is
just so faithful with us.
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And so it won your heart?
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Yes. Won your heart.
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Now you have to go into
your family, I love that.
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Go into your family where
people are acting the fool,
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they're shooting each
other, they are getting shot,
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they are running everything
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and you have to
go in your family
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and say, you know...
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Yeah, so I--but, you know,
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yeah and it
didn't happen that fast.
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You know, it was
like, our brother would,
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'cause I guess doing this
time it was around my birthday,
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so every week we
just did this thing
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where we was
like it's my birthday,
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so every week we was
going to that same bar
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and we was like,
you know, every week
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this is just a tradition
that we was gonna start doing.
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So he was calling my phone,
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my brother is call
my phone at the time,
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saying come on
it's your birthday
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we got to see you at the bar.
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So I was like, okay.
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But, you know, I'd never went.
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It was just, he
kept calling for weeks
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like "What is you doing?"
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Like come up
to-- Absolutely, yeah.
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And I just really
didn't know how to say like,
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I think that the Lord
is working or you know,
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I just really
didn't know what to say
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I was puzzled, I was scared.
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You know, Krystal, I
think that's the funniest thing,
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because, you know, my
family are a lot of addicts,
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you know, and, you
know, my dad dies in a crack,
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so to walk in
with something normal
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it's like you're ashamed. Right.
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And it just it's so reverse.
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It's so, it so odd for
a lot of people to hear.
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It's a shame that you
actually wanted to do good.
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But it is it's a
really different.
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So you started
seeing a change in her?
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Yeah, and she was
just kind of hiding it.
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So every--I think it
was the Tuesday or Wednesday
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I'm calling her, 'cause
I'm like it's her birthday
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every Tuesday in the bar,
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so I'm like she
missed this birthday.
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And then I'm like she
missed another birthday again
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again when, you know,
I get in the car with her
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I'm like, you know, take me here
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or wherever I'm like
where are your rap CDs at?
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and then, you know,
she just went terribly--
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So literally
everything starts changing?
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Everything disappeared
she wasn't telling me
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nothing at first. Yeah.
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And then, you know, she was
telling she is going to church
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and then, you know, she
just came out and told me,
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that she was
giving her life to Christ.
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She got baptized
and even when I--
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What were you
thinking? I'm like, what?
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Yeah, it was crazy to me.
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I'm like, you know, it
was weird to me even when,
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even--I remember the
day she got baptized.
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Me and one of her friend came
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and, you know, I
didn't really look at it--
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like it was a big deal.
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You know, I was still
hustling and I remember
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that day like it was
yesterday, I didn't, you know,
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you don't get no type of--
you can't really trust nobody,
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you know, when you
living that lifestyle.
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So she had
invited me to the baptism.
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And you know, I had heroin on me
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and weed and marijuana
and all type of drugs--
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And with no weapons, right?
00:24:49.22\00:24:51.16
Yeah, no
weapons, all type of drugs
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and I'm like I
can't leave it here.
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I brought it to
the church with me--
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You can't leave it behind
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somebody is going to steal it.
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And she got baptized and
you know, all list up from in
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and you know,
we're in the church
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we cracking up looking
at her in the baptism pool.
00:25:02.85\00:25:05.50
Me and her friend we
just-- They laughing and--
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We're laughing so hard and,
you know, but that's I was--
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And you knew this was
the right thing for you.
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You knew that I'm
following God in here.
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'Cause yeah the Lord had just,
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you know, helped
us in so many ways
00:25:18.55\00:25:20.22
and I was just
feeling the Holy Spirit
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and I felt it was
time. It was time that--
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And they're all
laughing at you. Yes.
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So now what made you,
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'cause I know that
that started at least--
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planted a seed in your life.
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That, you know, what's
up and what is she doing?
00:25:35.66\00:25:40.00
So, you know, we
looking at baptism pool
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and we laughing, but,
you know, me and her friend
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we actually had a conversation
like that's gonna be us
00:25:45.16\00:25:47.29
in a minute, you
know what I'm saying.
00:25:47.32\00:25:48.69
So I kind of knew even
though it was still funny
00:25:48.72\00:25:50.76
I didn't know what I had to,
you know, sacrifice or whatever,
00:25:50.79\00:25:53.42
but I knew a change
is gonna have to come.
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So we laughed and then,
00:25:56.26\00:25:57.92
you know, we
saw her get baptized
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and, you know, it was
back to the same life.
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But, you know, she'd come around
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and she would be giving me
these small Bible studies just,
00:26:03.86\00:26:06.63
you know, just sneaking to me.
00:26:06.66\00:26:08.06
She would be sneaking to me
and coming over to my house--
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And I love when you say
she'd be sneaking to me.
00:26:09.49\00:26:11.51
And that's like
and I could see you as
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at any opportunity
you could just kind of
00:26:13.06\00:26:15.17
put a few words in,
have this, take this--
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Any little thing and
I'm like every little thing
00:26:18.22\00:26:20.71
she used say I
used to soak it up,
00:26:20.74\00:26:22.27
I didn't too much understand
it, but I use to take it in.
00:26:22.30\00:26:26.22
Well, I got remember she
came over to my house one time
00:26:26.25\00:26:28.77
and she was talking
about she was hungry.
00:26:28.80\00:26:30.57
So I'm like, I didn't
have no food in the house.
00:26:30.60\00:26:32.10
So I'm like okay,
just wait a minute
00:26:32.13\00:26:33.50
I'm sell these couple of packs
00:26:33.53\00:26:34.94
and I'm gonna make
some-- get us someting to eat.
00:26:34.97\00:26:36.53
I know, you know
what, that's all right,
00:26:36.56\00:26:37.93
if you got to do
that don't do that.
00:26:37.96\00:26:40.00
I'm like, is it that serious?
00:26:40.03\00:26:41.40
I'm gonna sell some
drugs, I'm gonna do all this.
00:26:41.43\00:26:43.87
And she's like no, no
hold on, hold on, hold on--
00:26:43.90\00:26:45.38
Well, she is like, if you got
to do that don't worry about it
00:26:45.41\00:26:47.26
I'll just eat later on.
00:26:47.29\00:26:48.66
I'm like, is it that serious
00:26:48.69\00:26:50.06
that she don't even
want to take my drug money?
00:26:50.09\00:26:51.46
That's how I'm looking at it.
00:26:51.49\00:26:52.86
So she just give
me Bible study and--
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I just want to kiss
you on the face for that,
00:26:54.29\00:26:55.66
'cause, you know, I just
got to say for a lot of us,
00:26:55.69\00:26:57.70
when we do those changes
00:26:57.73\00:26:59.29
everybody around
does thinks we're crazy.
00:26:59.32\00:27:01.37
Everybody around
is gonna judge us
00:27:01.40\00:27:03.18
especially when you're in
those kind of environments
00:27:03.21\00:27:06.02
and for someone
to stand up anyway
00:27:06.05\00:27:07.97
and say, I can't even
take your money anymore,
00:27:08.00\00:27:10.18
'cause I really feel
00:27:10.21\00:27:12.07
that God is just
saying don't do it, eat later.
00:27:12.10\00:27:15.31
You know, and it's such a risk,
00:27:15.34\00:27:18.19
but it's so important to
go with your heart on that,
00:27:18.22\00:27:20.98
go with the Holy Spirit on that.
00:27:21.01\00:27:23.21
Man, Po, I am proud of you.
00:27:23.24\00:27:25.93
It was funny I
try to stand by myself
00:27:25.96\00:27:27.53
she would trying to
tell me about the Sabbath
00:27:27.56\00:27:29.40
and I remember trying--
00:27:29.43\00:27:30.84
I remember trying
to keep the Sabbath
00:27:30.87\00:27:32.24
at my house by myself and nobody
knew what the Sabbath was.
00:27:32.27\00:27:35.52
So I call her and I
say, I'm number one,
00:27:35.55\00:27:38.42
it was Saturday night and
I'm like, man I'm in house
00:27:38.45\00:27:41.53
and its like
it's a Sabbath right.
00:27:41.56\00:27:42.93
She like, no, you
know, the Sabbath has ended.
00:27:42.96\00:27:44.54
I was like, it did.
00:27:44.57\00:27:45.94
She was like yeah, from Friday,
Sunday, Saturday, Sunday.
00:27:45.97\00:27:47.73
Then I'm like, okay, then I
was like I'm going to the bar,
00:27:47.76\00:27:49.92
so I went to the bar
I'm like the Sabbath--
00:27:49.95\00:27:52.23
you know what I'm saying.
00:27:52.26\00:27:53.63
So I was in the bar
00:27:53.66\00:27:55.03
and I was trying not
to drink in the bar and...
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You know, it's really--
I wish we had more time,
00:27:57.56\00:27:59.63
because I'd love the
way God moves us from even,
00:27:59.66\00:28:03.18
you know, going and
selling and doing drugs
00:28:03.21\00:28:05.86
and looking at people baptized
and trying to do the Sabbath
00:28:05.89\00:28:08.81
and not do the Sabbath
and all that kind of stuff.
00:28:08.84\00:28:10.61
We're gonna have you back,
00:28:10.64\00:28:12.01
but I'm gonna
take a break right now.
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We're gonna come back
for the close of the program.
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Will, you guys,
join me for the close?
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Yeah. Awesome.
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So we'll be right
back, stay with us.
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